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    scott genius 29" & 650B 2013

    26 is dead !



    Infos VTT : Scott 2013, un nouveau Génius et deux taille de roues..

    Not mus info for now, but we can see that they keep a singlepivot suspension, and use a new shock, not pulled.
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    Nice. Looks like abp type pivot at the axle.

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    May be i should explain my title : there is no more a 26" version, only 27 and 29"

    The suspension is very close to the Spark. I don't think it is a abp/split pivot, but rather a classical singlepivot (with brake on the chainstay) with a linkage actuated shock.

    29" version have got 130mm of travel, 27" have 150mm
    2.4Kg carbon frame + shock ( minus 200g / 2011)
    high end shock get a dual positive air chamber. But i don't know about the hydraulic circuits.
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    whats the release date on scott bikes for 2013

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    Is 130mm now considered All Mountain? I see that the 650b is 150mm, but the 29er is 130?

    I guess I am just confused..possibly along with the whole genre.
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    Its a shame that Scott are persisting with the outdated and inefficient single pivot suspension design that need tricky shocks for them to ride well.

    Scott Spark 29 RC Long-term Review - BikeRadar

    If only they'd put their know how of building very light carbon frames into a DW link style bike. That would be one awesome machine.

    Ok maybe this isn't so relevent to the Genius, but this bike used to be a 5" travel Race / Trail bike with a horst link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcbarny View Post
    Its a shame that Scott are persisting with the outdated and inefficient single pivot suspension design that need tricky shocks for them to ride well.

    Scott Spark 29 RC Long-term Review - BikeRadar

    If only they'd put their know how of building very light carbon frames into a DW link style bike. That would be one awesome machine.

    Ok maybe this isn't so relevent to the Genius, but this bike used to be a 5" travel Race / Trail bike with a horst link.

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    I can of agree.
    Scott stop using the FSR suspension when they enter the US market, to avoid specialized, their biggest competitor.

    I thought that the FSR pattent was expiring this year, and expecting them to get back to a FSR setup.

    I would like a 140mm All Mountain Ibis Ripley
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcbarny View Post
    Its a shame that Scott are persisting with the outdated and inefficient single pivot suspension design that need tricky shocks for them to ride well.

    Scott Spark 29 RC Long-term Review - BikeRadar

    If only they'd put their know how of building very light carbon frames into a DW link style bike. That would be one awesome machine.

    Ok maybe this isn't so relevent to the Genius, but this bike used to be a 5" travel Race / Trail bike with a horst link.

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    That's not really my takeaway from reading the Bike Radar review. I interpretted it as poor execusion. They fitted a Fox damper to it and were much happier with its performance. The only area of further improvement was excessive pedal bob because of a poorly placed front pivot. Also, Horst link improves suspension performance under braking but does nothing for pedalling.

    I'm certainly a big fan of multi-link suspension and think once you get over 100mm of travel it's the way to go if pedalling efficiency is a concern. But at 100mm and below it's possible to make a well performing bike if done correctly. It's also typically easier/lighter/cheaper to design a four bar than a multi-link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20.100 FR View Post
    I can of agree.
    Scott stop using the FSR suspension when they enter the US market, to avoid specialized, their biggest competitor.

    I thought that the FSR pattent was expiring this year, and expecting them to get back to a FSR setup.

    I would like a 140mm All Mountain Ibis Ripley
    I want a 140mm all mountain Ibis Ripley too! I think they were setting the travel at 120mm though......but maybe you know something I don't.

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    Can't wait for this bike. I already decided I want it. Its basically a beefy, more travel version of their spark. Scott would not agree with what i just said, It is a completely different bike with a whole other feel. and as far as pivot and design, the frame for an " all mountain 29er" is LIGHT and I would imagine adding links would decrease stiffness and add wright in some way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by car_nut View Post
    That's not really my takeaway from reading the Bike Radar review. I interpretted it as poor execusion. They fitted a Fox damper to it and were much happier with its performance. The only area of further improvement was excessive pedal bob because of a poorly placed front pivot. Also, Horst link improves suspension performance under braking but does nothing for pedalling.

    I'm certainly a big fan of multi-link suspension and think once you get over 100mm of travel it's the way to go if pedalling efficiency is a concern. But at 100mm and below it's possible to make a well performing bike if done correctly. It's also typically easier/lighter/cheaper to design a four bar than a multi-link.
    I tested it at eurobike, and found myself thinking back about the bikeradar article : same sensations...
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    If you look at the Spark suspension as compared to the Tallboy, it has less anti-sag and much less than the new generation of DW-link bikes. It really is the only drawback to the Spark and Genius IMO. But, you do get less pedal feedback for those of you who can actually feel it. I really don't notice pedal feedback so I would rather have the anti-squat. I am wishing that someone would make a DW bike with the same geometry as the Genius, but they all come short and/or slack.

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