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    Nice find! I hope they offer it in orange.
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    What a tease right before Christmas. It will go nicely with my Tallboy!

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    I knew they were not stupid!! (not completely at least)
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    Name game.

    I hope they make it go both ways - SS and geared. What name do you think they will use?

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    The name appears to be short. They blurred it out on the top tube near the seat tube.

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    the image file on one of them says "newknife" could it be "Knife"?
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    Ohhh nice!

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    Looks like a tapered HT as well, Nice!!

    I guess they've decided 29ers are here to stay now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foofighter29er
    the image file on one of them says "newknife" could it be "Knife"?
    No, I think "new knife" is just the way the Dark Lord is going to cut into our wallets

    My wife is going to be pissed when I buy one of these, I just got my Tallboy this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dial Tone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dial Tone
    Ohhh nice!

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    Sweet looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17
    Sweet looking.
    You all ready have a carbon HT, look elsewhere!
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    Cool that it in the works, but I really hope the geometry ends up more Chameleon-like than it appears in this photo nicked from the SC site:

    https://www.santacruzbicycles.com/104bronson/?p=1111
    https://i421.photobucket.com/albums/...g/DSC02097.jpg



    Not a shot of the whole bike by any means, but in that photo, it looks kind of typical modern hardtail 29er geometry.

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    Yup. Would be neat if did have some Chameleon DNA.

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    That sure looks purdy. I've resigned myself to purchasing only one new bike per year. When's the new year start?
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    I like it very, very much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach417
    You all ready have a carbon HT, look elsewhere!
    This does look cooler than mine!

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    I just got my Tallboy yesterday...completely stoked. This may be my summer project...I'm devilishly scheming Lefty Max Carbon...and Crest wheels...will come out to be ultra-lite!!!
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    You mention the Stan's Crest rims and a Lefty. How much do you weigh?

    I have a Cannondale carbon 29er hardtail and weigh 200 pounds...

    Do you think a set of Crest wheels would work for me? Some say I should go with the Arch rims. This bike is strictly for XC use, and I'd like to keep things as light as possible without being stupid.

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    looking forward to this one... i hope they offer it not just in carbon
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    Quote Originally Posted by historeeteacher
    You mention the Stan's Crest rims and a Lefty. How much do you weigh?

    I have a Cannondale carbon 29er hardtail and weigh 200 pounds...

    Do you think a set of Crest wheels would work for me? Some say I should go with the Arch rims. This bike is strictly for XC use, and I'd like to keep things as light as possible without being stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by historeeteacher
    You mention the Stan's Crest rims and a Lefty. How much do you weigh?

    I have a Cannondale carbon 29er hardtail and weigh 200 pounds...

    Do you think a set of Crest wheels would work for me? Some say I should go with the Arch rims. This bike is strictly for XC use, and I'd like to keep things as light as possible without being stupid.
    I have both Arches and Crests on King hubs to swap between my Tallboy and Ti hard tail. I weigh 175-185 plus gear, depending on the time of year.

    The Arches are noticeably heavier (as they should be, by the numbers). But both have required about the same amount of truing honestly, and that's with DT Swiss Supercomp spokes. Each rear wheel was a few millimeters out in a couple spots after the first 500 miles or so.

    Very, very happy with the Crests...I put Racing Ralphs on them just before the Shenandoah Mountain 100 and it felt like I was spinning road wheels up the hills.

    A little more weight on a HT where you'll land harder on it, maybe an Arch rear and a Crest front if these are your only wheels.

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    Recent time on a set of Crest wheels by Stans (ZTR hubs, etc) was an exercise in pushing a wheel around waaay more than I like. I actually like my bikes to stay on the line I point to! This was on an JET9 with a standard QR Reba fork.

    A swap to a set of Easton Havens was a marked improvement. Yeah, it took a weigh hit, but it was worth it for me.

    But that sort of decision is made by each individual. I really like Stan's rims, but I would never consider running those Crests as they were built unless I was just pedaling uphill all day.

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    Make it able to go S/S and I am in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Any guess on the price?
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    $1799.00? (frame only), kits from 3k-7k?

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwood
    $1799.00? (frame only), kits from 3k-7k?
    May as well buy a Niner Air 9c at that point...
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    Thanks. Can you tell me why? Here's what I have heard so far:

    A guy at Stan's said I could run the Crests if it was just a XC bike.

    A couple have said the Crests would work, but have kinda been on the fence.

    Most people say Arch...

    A couple have said Flow...

    One guy said Arch in the rear and Crest up front...I kinda like that idea.

    I want them to be light, and want to try to get away with the Crest...BUT...one guy said on this thread said the Crest didn't stay on line. I'm not sure I have ever experienced that feeling.

    WHAT ARE THE PERFORMANCE NEGATIVES WITH A LIGHTER WHEELSET (i.e. Crests)?

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    That bike looks sweet man! Mucho jealous

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    From *my* experience.....

    Quote Originally Posted by historeeteacher
    Thanks. Can you tell me why? Here's what I have heard so far:

    A guy at Stan's said I could run the Crests if it was just a XC bike.

    A couple have said the Crests would work, but have kinda been on the fence.

    Most people say Arch...

    A couple have said Flow...

    One guy said Arch in the rear and Crest up front...I kinda like that idea.

    I want them to be light, and want to try to get away with the Crest...BUT...one guy said on this thread said the Crest didn't stay on line. I'm not sure I have ever experienced that feeling.

    WHAT ARE THE PERFORMANCE NEGATIVES WITH A LIGHTER WHEELSET (i.e. Crests)?

    - I come in at a similar weight (190 - 200) and don't ride XC, I guess if you wanted to put a tag on riding it would be trail riding, whatever... I jump stuff, drop stuff (nothing that's going to get me in a movie) and ride plenty of fast, techie sometimes off-camber singletrack. FUN stuff.

    I had a 1st generation RIP9 with I9 wheels laced to Stans 355's AGAINST I9's rec. and I went with em' anyway's to save weight. If I remember right, I got a solid year and a half out of the wheelset with normal tru'ing. I was/am impressed with their life. Even with a frameset that was on the "flexy" side, I had lot's of fun on that bike.

    The "negative" (some say) is that a really light wheelset will not "hold a line" or in other words does not give that stable, planted "on your line" feel.

    IMO, I think some of that feel comes from having a racing-weight, light tire with little to near no-tread on it has a bit to do with that "feel". Could be tire pressure and/or trail conditions too.

    - I'd say go with the light wheel for your light racing bike and run it. DO NOT expect the wheels to last forever because they won't but for their purpose they'll be good. Be realistic, willing to experiment with different tires and air pressure and maybe even buy a cheaper, heavier training wheelset for just riding/training.


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    Quote Originally Posted by westwood
    $1799.00? (frame only), kits from 3k-7k?
    And when will they be available?I need one NOW.

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    I like the Arch...that said I am planning to use my arch rear with an old 355 front set up with a 9mm dt swiss rws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foofighter29er
    the image file on one of them says "newknife" could it be "Knife"?
    "Knife" or "Knives" is in reference to the way SC classified their bikes in their 2010 published color catalog, e.g.

    Filet knives: Superlight, Juliana, Blur XC, Tallboy, Stigmata
    Chefs knives: Chameleon, Heckler, Blur LT, Blur LTC, Nomad
    Cleavers: Jackal, Driver 8, Bullit, V 10

    The Butcher, Nickel were not released in time for print of the 2010 catalog.

    They are in the 2011 print catalog however, the "Knives" catagorization is no longer referenced.

    Since Core Value # 3 of Santa Cruz Bikes is "no BS or technobabble" my guess for the name would be "Tallboy HT" ( similar to Blur naming conventions)
    As the "Tallboy" is already well known, established in themt bike industry, it would make sense to leverage the existing model name.

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