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    Idea! Santa Cruz 29" Blur

    This is an experiment. Yesterday Sparrow posted a thread about Kona joining the 29er movement. In less than a day there were 50+ replies and over 1100 hits. This tells me there is a huge amount of interest. Personally, I think the 29 thing is like a dam about to burst and that within 3 years we'll see just about everyone stepping up. So here's the deal. I ask you the participants of this board.

    If Santa Cruz were to build a Blur or Superlight for 29" wheel size, would you be interested?

    I ride a Blur as one of my bikes. Not sure if it's the Holy Grail, but it's a darn good all around trail bike. I like SC, especially the fact that they don't make model years and corresponding changes simply for the sake of change (and getting people to buy new bikes). The Blur is a great bike for long rides. I'd love to see one in 29". I for one would buy it.

    Once I see the level of interest, I will talk to Santa Cruz. I can post their email if you'd like to personally contact them with some encouragement.

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    I would not be into a 29" Blur but would be into a 29" Superlight.

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    It'll be intersting to see thier response after all this recent hoopla. I've seen it before, and it was unequivocaly emphatically NO. But who knows? This whole 29" thing has been getting alot of steam as of late, so that answer may change in the future.

    And if you want a Santa Cruise-ish superlite bike, There is one out there. The Ibex Monk. Frame/shock for +/-$1000.
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by endure26
    This is an experiment. Yesterday Sparrow posted a thread about Kona joining the 29er movement. In less than a day there were 50+ replies and over 1100 hits. This tells me there is a huge amount of interest. Personally, I think the 29 thing is like a dam about to burst and that within 3 years we'll see just about everyone stepping up. So here's the deal. I ask you the participants of this board.

    If Santa Cruz were to build a Blur or Superlight for 29" wheel size, would you be interested?

    I ride a Blur as one of my bikes. Not sure if it's the Holy Grail, but it's a darn good all around trail bike. I like SC, especially the fact that they don't make model years and corresponding changes simply for the sake of change (and getting people to buy new bikes). The Blur is a great bike for long rides. I'd love to see one in 29". I for one would buy it.

    Once I see the level of interest, I will talk to Santa Cruz. I can post their email if you'd like to personally contact them with some encouragement.

    Cheers---
    Put me down for a Blur. I have a XL Superlight and would love to have a 29'er version. However making the rear triangle longer to accommodate the larger wheel with the single pivot design may not be good. The rear end may wag like a dogís tail. Heck while we are at letís contact Jeff S at Intense. My 5.5 EVP is sweet (for a 26Ē bike).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    It'll be intersting to see thier response after all this recent hoopla. I've seen it before, and it was unequivocaly emphatically NO. But who knows? This whole 29" thing has been getting alot of steam as of late, so that answer may change in the future.

    And if you want a Santa Cruise-ish superlite bike, There is one out there. The Ibex Monk. Frame/shock for +/-$1000.
    Do they have a web site? Where can you get one?

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    I too have a Blur and have already sent SC an e-mail on this subject. The reply I got back from Scott was that it sounded like a fun project, but had too many other projects going right now to think about working on a 29er. I will post the complete e-mail when I get home tonight.

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    I'd buy one in an instant!!!! And the same goes for a 5.5 29'er.

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    Where can we get the Monk from.

    I am curious about the Monk. I looked on their website and did not find it.

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    I sent Santa Cruz an email and posed the question. Also provided a link to this post and suggested they keep an eye on it. I'll let you know what kind of response I get back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    And if you want a Santa Cruise-ish superlite bike, There is one out there. The Ibex Monk. Frame/shock for +/-$1000.
    DOh! My bad, its actually Astrix. I'm not sure if they're available as of yet, but it does look like a nice enough frame.
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    I've emailed...

    ...and called Turner (Dave says NO), Ventana (Sherwood say NEGATORY), SC (Scott? says ANOHA), Ellsworth (NAGANO) and Canfield (...maybe??? They might actually be doing something via a WB relationship).

    Fox Forx - hell f'ing no. Maverick - uh, like, no (despite ample DIY conversions).

    I'd like to see a 29er Heckler vs. a SL or Blur. Keep it simple but on the burlier side since many 29er riders also fall in the clyde category by default.

    Waiting for the Monk production bike review...

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    Yeah, I'd certainly be interested. Kona would be sweet as well. Seems to be right up their alley given all the weird stuff they do. They should just make a 29" Explosif and 29" Unit. Don't know about a Stinky 29er though! S

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by TN29'er
    I am curious about the Monk. I looked on their website and did not find it.
    The word on the street is that they will be available in the spring (4" single piviot)

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    I'm afraid they would want 2000 units (frames) per year minimum or something along those lines.
    This might be a good market for a smaller aluminum builder to cover.

    Do you really want to see a bazillion santa cruz 29"ers? Sheesh, the 26" versions are like a dime a dozen around here...
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    Check out the BTI catalogue

    We got ours at the shop last week. The Astrix Monk is listed in the frame section of the catalogue. Looks like it will retail for 1000-1100 bucks.
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    MikeSee fragged the prototype...

    ...in an earlier review. Hopefully they've addressed the issues.

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    Sugars are single pivot.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee
    Put me down for a Blur. I have a XL Superlight and would love to have a 29'er version. However making the rear triangle longer to accommodate the larger wheel with the single pivot design may not be good. The rear end may wag like a dogís tail. Heck while we are at letís contact Jeff S at Intense. My 5.5 EVP is sweet (for a 26Ē bike).
    The addition of a swing link, such as the Fisher has, would help to stablize the rear triangle. The SC Superlight doesn't have one and a 29er version would probably need one. Other than that, I don't know why a single pivot rear triangle would be any more prone to wagging than a four-bar.

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    It wasn't an astrix prototype, it was another manufacturer licensing the moto-link suspension.... It'll be worth another look and review when it hits the streets...
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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Appendage
    The addition of a swing link, such as the Fisher has, would help to stablize the rear triangle. The SC Superlight doesn't have one and a 29er version would probably need one. Other than that, I don't know why a single pivot rear triangle would be any more prone to wagging than a four-bar.
    The chains stays are longer than ona 4 bar. My large Bullit had lateral flex but my Large SLX did not. What is your thought on the Fisher?

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    I love my Blur... 29=si!

    si, me gusta. I would love a 29 version of my blur. I work at an SC dealer, I'll talk to the rep the next time I see him.
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    Airbourne, it was

    Quote Originally Posted by jl
    It wasn't an astrix prototype, it was another manufacturer licensing the moto-link suspension.... It'll be worth another look and review when it hits the streets...
    That proto was an Airbourne, but they abandoned that idea. The Astrix' swingarm is probably quite different than what Airborne could do in Ti. They supposedly have a re-enforcement rib that is extruded into each side of the swingarms ectangular tubing section. Much like an old Control Tech seatpost. I don't know if Airbourne used the Astrix spec aluminum swingarm for their proto though. I'll have to check the archives!
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    Response from Santa Cruz...

    Posed the question to Santa Cruz here's the response. Seems like the "canned answer". Their email address is listed - maybe if they get an additional 2 million emails they'll start to think about it....

    Hi Ted,
    I'm afraid there is not much of a chance at this time.
    It would be a fun project, but right now we have a bunch of other new/future
    projects going, and still have our hands full keeping up with demand with
    our current line-up, so trying to squeeze a lower volume 29" model in there
    would be pretty difficult. Sorry!

    Thanks for the interest, and let me know if you have any other questions.

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    It's all about the volume....
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    Quote Originally Posted by endure26
    Posed the question to Santa Cruz here's the response. Seems like the "canned answer". Their email address is listed - maybe if they get an additional 2 million emails they'll start to think about it....

    Hi Ted,
    I'm afraid there is not much of a chance at this time.
    It would be a fun project, but right now we have a bunch of other new/future
    projects going, and still have our hands full keeping up with demand with
    our current line-up, so trying to squeeze a lower volume 29" model in there
    would be pretty difficult. Sorry!

    Thanks for the interest, and let me know if you have any other questions.

    Scott Turner
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    I will email them today!!!!!!!!! Thank God Kona is going to make one.

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    Endure,

    I've been trying to refrain from posting on this thread, but I will state my humble opinion. I like Santa Cruz MTBs. My wife has one and rides the hell out it. I've ridden the Blur--I was going to purchase one (anodized citrus) before my move to the darkside (29er).

    To be honest, I like the ride of my current bike better than the Blurs I've ridden. They are both top-notch rides, but I give the edge to my current steed. I probably wouldn't buy a 29er Blur if it was offered.
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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by jl
    Endure,

    I've been trying to refrain from posting on this thread, but I will state my humble opinion. I like Santa Cruz MTBs. My wife has one and rides the hell out it. I've ridden the Blur--I was going to purchase one (anodized citrus) before my move to the darkside (29er).

    To be honest, I like the ride of my current bike better than the Blurs I've ridden. They are both top-notch rides, but I give the edge to my current steed. I probably wouldn't buy a 29er Blur if it was offered.
    What are you riding?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee
    What are you riding?????
    Hey DeeZee....were you climbing maple springs yesterday? I saw a guy on an A and figured it might be you...

    If soo I was coming down on a ti 29er ss.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Hey DeeZee....where you climbing maple springs yesterday? I saw a guy on an A and figured it might be you...

    If soo I was coming down on a ti 29er ss.....

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    Yea that was me I also saw Padre and the Ms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee
    Yea that was me I also saw Padre and the Ms.
    Nice, I'll have to stop and say hey next time.

    Great day for a ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Nice, I'll have to stop and say hey next time.

    Great day for a ride!

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    Yep. Today would also be great. I maybe on a Asylum the next time you see me. Any thoughts on that product? Were you on a KM? I am thinking about a KM for my SS. How do you like it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee
    Yep. Today would also be great. I maybe on a Asylum the next time you see me. Any thoughts on that product? Were you on a KM? I am thinking about a KM for my SS. How do you like it?
    No, I was riding a ti single speed built by Carl Strong. I love it.

    I have a KM in the garage, and I had a geared KM for awhile as well. I also have a KM frame sitting next to my desk waiting to be built.....you could say I like it:-)

    Hope that helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee
    What are you riding?????
    If you've seen Padre, then you've seen the answer to your question--all of your questions
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    Quote Originally Posted by jl
    If you've seen Padre, then you've seen the answer to your question--all of your questions
    Better than the Asylum?????????? It seems they really did their homework on that frame Please lead me into the light

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee
    Better than the Asylum?????????? It seems they really did their homework on that frame Please lead me into the light
    I believe he is leading you towards the Lenz...I think Titus Racer-X in 29" would be a phenomenal second choice...for gears and squish that is....

    For SS, there are too many great options to list..just make sure it's got an EBB...and maybe a whole lotta ti if you can make it happen....

    Brian..post a pic of the strong...it's a sick ride...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    I believe he is leading you towards the Lenz...I think Titus Racer-X in 29" would be a phenomenal second choice...for gears and squish that is....

    For SS, there are too many great options to list..just make sure it's got an EBB...and maybe a whole lotta ti if you can make it happen....

    Brian..post a pic of the strong...it's a sick ride...
    Yea I am thinking of a KM for a ss. Does it have a EBB?

    Sold enough of my 26' wheeled stuff today to buy a 29'er. The Racer X is $500 more than the Asylum and Lenz OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Jl,

    As I said in the original post - this was sort of an experiment. Really wanted to see if there was interest - and if so, if the company would react. I chose SC and Blur because they are well rated and seem to be somewhat progressive. Small enough to be able to execute a 29er without having to go through national elections. I bought a Blur as my first FS bike - had been riding hardtails since 1988. Everyone touts the advantages of FS. Blur was really good. Could see the advantage if I was in the right area right trail. I liked my Ti hardtail too and would really like to stick with a 29er. I'm about ready to list my Blur on eBay (wrote up the ad today) and go back to a Ti or steel frame in 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee
    Better than the Asylum?????????? It seems they really did their homework on that frame Please lead me into the light
    DZ,

    I don't know if the Lenz is better than the Asylum, I've never ridden the Asylum. I do know that the Lenz is a great bike. You can read about my initial ride here.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=55069

    You can also do a search on Leviathan under discussions and read about the history of the bike and see what others have to say about it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by endure26
    Jl,
    As I said in the original post - this was sort of an experiment.
    --from the original post--
    If Santa Cruz were to build a Blur or Superlight for 29" wheel size, would you be interested?
    Endure26,

    I know you posted this as an experiment but you also asked the above question. I was trying to refrain from sounding like I could be 'bashing' SC MTB. I do think they make a great product, I bought one. But I also wanted to point out there are other really viable options in the market place.

    I do believe that Santa Cruz and Turner will be building a 29er in 2010, but until then I want to support they builder who are stepping up to the plate in 2005. And 2006, I'll hopefully be looking at a 5" 29er from LenzSport.

    Just don't sell so much that you don't have a bike to ride ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by endure26
    Jl,

    As I said in the original post - this was sort of an experiment. Really wanted to see if there was interest - and if so, if the company would react. I chose SC and Blur because they are well rated and seem to be somewhat progressive. Small enough to be able to execute a 29er without having to go through national elections. I bought a Blur as my first FS bike - had been riding hardtails since 1988. Everyone touts the advantages of FS. Blur was really good. Could see the advantage if I was in the right area right trail. I liked my Ti hardtail too and would really like to stick with a 29er. I'm about ready to list my Blur on eBay (wrote up the ad today) and go back to a Ti or steel frame in 29.

    With the clyde interest in 29"ers and the taller riders, SC would need a higher weight limit than 225 for a 29" Blur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jl
    DZ,

    I don't know if the Lenz is better than the Asylum, I've never ridden the Asylum. I do know that the Lenz is a great bike. You can read about my initial ride here.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=55069

    You can also do a search on Leviathan under discussions and read about the history of the bike and see what others have to say about it...

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    Excellent! Thanks. Hard decision I think both would be sweeeeeeeet!

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