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    Salsa CroMoto Grande Vs. Vassago ODIS

    i am looking to swap out the fork on my monocog. anybody have experience with either of these? any pros and cons would be appreciated.
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    Lol... I just had the same question yesterday myself. But I answered it by going with the Salsa.

    The ODIS looked nice and was real tempting. The only real difference is the 43mm of rake for the Salsa, and 45mm of rake for the ODIS. (stock MC29er is 38mm of rake)

    I like the look of the ODIS and the additional rake (which will mean less trail and "quicker" handling). But I got a better deal (ebay) on the Salsa.

    I don't think you'd go wrong with either.

    Or, buy the ODIS and if you don't like it, I'll swap you for my Salsa.

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    whats the call on going with a odis on a 2008 fisher g-2,would it quicken the handleing over the salsa fork.......

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    This is a very ROUGH estimating tool, but it's still useful. Plug in your head tube angle and rake, and there you go...

    http://kogswell.com/geo.php

    (and I'm unfamiliar with the G2's geometry)

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    g-2 head tube angle is very lax,when you throw on the g-2 fox fork and your somewhat back to tradtional geo....
    heres my deal,I have the g-2 frame,no fox fork (way to much $$) and I ride rigid...so I'm looking to pick up a rigid fork that will resemble the fox g-2 offset
    thx.....

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    I have the ODIS and I'm lovin it. The rake gives me quick steering and plenty of toe clearance. It's sleek looking and relatively light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29ERCAT
    g-2 head tube angle is very lax,when you throw on the g-2 fox fork and your somewhat back to tradtional geo....
    heres my deal,I have the g-2 frame,no fox fork (way to much $$) and I ride rigid...so I'm looking to pick up a rigid fork that will resemble the fox g-2 offset
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    CAT, I think your 2 best choices then (until the G2 specced Bontrager Switchblade comes out...I'm guessing it'll be introduced next week) for a stock fork is the ODIS (45mm) or the On One Superlight in either steel or carbon (47mm).

    EDIT: Or a 26" rigid fork. Probably increase the headangle a bit keeping trail somewhat constant. Might lower the BB too much though?

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    racerdave: does the salsa give a noticably different ride? it sounds like you put it on a monocog?

    speedgoat has the salsa for 95 and the odis is 129. i am sure i can find a use for 34 i.e. star nut setter and steer tube cutter....

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    Captain... that was my thought on the $$.

    As for the Salsa, I'm still waiting for it to arrive. I'll let you know once I get it mounted up. (yes, it's going on an Monocog 29er)

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    salsa fork work to perfection....bangs for the buck,the best production fork on the market...i would rate an on one second and they look killer

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    ODIS fork is just amazing.

    I can not say enough about this fork.The more I ride my JB with the ODIS the more I can not belive It's a rigid fork.I love this fork.CF..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29ERCAT
    g-2 head tube angle is very lax,when you throw on the g-2 fox fork and your somewhat back to tradtional geo....
    heres my deal,I have the g-2 frame,no fox fork (way to much $$) and I ride rigid...so I'm looking to pick up a rigid fork that will resemble the fox g-2 offset
    thx.....
    Cat - the Redline Monocog Flight fork has 47mm offset (as does the On One mentioned above). $85 from any LBS that orders from Seattle Bike Supply.
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    Currently running a Salsa on a Seven which was built around a 465mm/42degree spec, in anticipation of mounting a DT/Pace carbon. Since those are delayed, I went with the Salsa. Excellent build quality, I'd say middle-of -the-road as far as compliance goes.

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    i decided to go with odis. once i get it installed and a few rides under my belt, i will post a report.

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    Sweet! Definitely post your 0.02...

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    First ride on my Salsa's today; impressed with compliance - felt more 'give' than On-one steel fork I have ridden previously.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm

    I've owned a JB w/ ODIS for a couple months and I get just enough flex and stiffness on corners where I feel confident. On low speed corners going uphill or semi-switchbacks this fork is a pleasure especially when you stand and grind. Stiff and light just over 2 pounds and doesnt shudder when I brake hard! I must say the ODIS at low speed eats up bumps. At slightly higher speeds vibration can be a bit untolerable (~15 mph) on my arms so I have to follow my lines closely. A rigid fork is rigid after all. I can't say the exact velocity the fork resonates the most but Im guessing between 15-20mph at a fairly high frequency of bumps. Totally variable on your style of riding though.

    I wish I had $$ to try a Salsa but having 2 rigids doesnt make sense or Im just a cheap bastard.
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    odis was delivered friday to my office since i was out of town on vacation. i hope to get it installed tomorrow night when i get home from work. i will have a ride report by this time next weekend.

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    My Monocog feels great with a 43mm offset Surly fork. Makes it handle that little much quicker, suiting our flat and winding trails well.

    I can't wait for a Bontrager fork yet to be confirmed, I ordered a custom Clockowrk (what's in a name) fork for my Superfly frame, 470x55mm. You gotta take a chance sometimes.

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    I cancelled my Salsa order, and I'm going ODIS. There were issues with the Salsa order that I wasn't happy with, and just happened upon a used ODIS. So it's worked out well.

    I'm really looking forward to sharpening up the handling on the MC29er with the ODIS. I felt really clumsy today in a race, particularly in the tight stuff. Part of it I'm sure was me, but I'll be interested to see how much was the 38mm rake stock fork.

    should have the fork this week, and if so, I'll post up thoughts as well.

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    mine is currently sitting under my desk waiting for 11:00 to roll around, so i can go home and install this thing.

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    following this thread and wondering if anyone has experience with the Vicious Cycles fork? I have an '07 MC 29er and am considering a rigid fork upgrade. I was initially thinking Salsa steel or White Bros carbon, with my budget being a determining factor. The Vicious is priced in between, but on the higher end of the spectrum. One thing I noticed about the Vicious is that it has the same rake...38mm...as the standard (non-Flite) MC 29er.

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    i got odis installed last night, but first i need to give big props to vassago. when i first pulled the fork out of the box i noticed the legs looked a little scuffed. the plastic bag that the fork was packed in has some leftover powdercoat that was in the fork legs. its not noticable for a few feet back, but up close its a little anoying to have a new fork look slightly used. here's where the props to vassago come in. i sent them an e-mail last night explaining what happened. they got back to me today and offered to get me a new fork, and cover shipping both ways. from my experience most companies would make me cover return shipping. i was very impressed. they also told me that if i was planning on a ride this weekend, to go ahead and ride on the fork, and send it back next week. after i installed the fork, i decide to keep it. it seemed like a waste of time, energy, money, steel etc to replace it. i figure after i crash once or twice i won't care anymore. i think the black fork looks really nice on the bike.

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    That does look cool. I'm stoked about getting mine (should be Friday).

    Have you had a chance to ride it yet? Impressions after the change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976
    ... after i installed the fork, i decide to keep it. it seemed like a waste of time, energy, money, steel etc to replace it. i figure after i crash once or twice i won't care anymore. i think the black fork looks really nice on the bike.
    Props to Vassago. And props to you for just keeping it (your comment was spot on). I've been in the same boat before. Now go ride a trash it yourself! Have fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerdave
    That does look cool. I'm stoked about getting mine (should be Friday).

    Have you had a chance to ride it yet? Impressions after the change?
    thanks. other than neighbirhood ride in flip flops, i have not had a chance to ride it. i will be riding saturday and/or sunday. i will post a report.

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    Ok... got my Pitchfork yesterday, mounted it last night and rode it this morning. Love it!

    Totally sharpened the steering and handling of the MC29er. Much, much more responsive than before. If you have a MC29er and ride on Midwest or East Coast singletrack (rocks, roots), this is a "must" mod.

    I can't say I noticed the ride improving, as I was on Racing Ralph 2.4s at 20 psi up front, but it definitely handles switchbacks and hairpin turns with greater agility than before with the stock MC29er fork. Cornering stiffness was also excellent. No loss in stability, and I rode some fairly quick downhills (max of 35 mph).

    I rode all the same trails on Thursday with the stock fork that I rode today with the Pitchfork, so it was about as close to an A/B test as I'll get.

    The Pitchfork (now ODIS) is sweet.



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    ride report =

    overall i am very happy with odis. i coverd about 9 miles today going from rooty and rocky to tight and twisty. the fork keeps the chatter down, and the steering a little sharper. i was flying through some tight twisty sections like it was nothing. i am happy with the choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZY FRED
    I can not say enough about this fork.The more I ride my JB with the ODIS the more I can not belive It's a rigid fork.I love this fork.CF..
    I have to second this comment. I only ride rigid and have tried many. The Pitchfork/Odis is my favorite by far. Aside from the clean looks, the thing rides fantastic. If they ever make the same fork in ti, I would by it as well in a heartbeat.
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    I have an El Mariachi with a Cro Moto fork and a Jabberwocky with an ODIS fork. I love them both. The Salsa fork seems to be a little more compliant, but I'm not sure that's entirely due to the design/material of the fork. One negative on the Salsa fork is that I get some shudder on the front wheel at times when braking. Never had this happen with the ODIS. They're both excellent forks. I guess if I were to recommend one over the other, it would be the ODIS. This may in part be due to my overall preference for the Vassago. The Salsa actually has a slightly better ride, but the fit and the handling of the Vassago really kicks butt.

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    Well I know this is an old thread but I just got a CroMotoGrande. Can't argue with $40 although the blue is going to seriously clash with the green and red thing i had goin' on. (anyone wanna trade red or black for blue?) I'll have it mounted up tomorrow. I can already tell it's seriously lighter than the sewer pipes my stock fork was made out of.

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    Cool... yeah, I was surprised too how much lighter the ODIS (roughly same weight as the Salsa) was over stock as well. A nice bonus.

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    Got the Cromoto Grande mounted up and will probably post a comparison and pics and ride report later. When I get going fast in the driveway and slam on the front brake I can watch that sucker flex in a good bit. That's normal right? I'm actually getting some shudder too. This is the first time I've set up disk brakes as well. It seems like everything is working fine. I'm getting no play from my headset just some shudder when I brake. Is this normal for a flexy rigid fork? I'm gonna set up the BB7s up again to make sure it isn't the brakes causing the shuddering.

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    First Ride on Salsa Fork

    Just got off of a familiar trail and the fork didn't break so I'd call it a success. Actually I was surprised that I did ride faster through the trail. I don't want to get into an emperor's new clothes deal here but I think that the fork ate up washboard type chatter compared to the stock monocog fork. I did feel like I was whipping the bike around more but I don't know if it was because the geometry was better for that or because I believed it would be better so I just went for it. Either way I was faster so what does it matter. Over all it's a damn smooth fork.

    Salsa should give these away to Monocog owners. It got me thinking "Holy crow if the fork is this much nicer, what would if feel like if my whole bike was made out of this steel.

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    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/fepakHj3EIr2TWczbpwpfw"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/Brandon.Bedient/SMNGF8isHhI/AAAAAAAAAcE/0wnZPaysxCU/s800/DSC00547.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/Brandon.Bedient/Monocog">monocog</a></td></tr></table>

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/vBQUHI1FFOvSPcbj9EOB4A"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/Brandon.Bedient/SMNGHO8w1_I/AAAAAAAAAcI/0PijevkukGo/s800/DSC00548.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/Brandon.Bedient/Monocog">monocog</a></td></tr></table>
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    SO, if the handling is sharper with more trail, what do you give up, what does the 38mm fork do better than the 43mm fork?

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    how is the toe overlap?

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    38 might be a bit more stable on the really fast stuff. I haven't noticed it being an issue.

    Toe overlap isn't an issue for me either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeezer
    how is the toe overlap?
    I am riding flat pedals so the only to overlap I've had is when I put my heel on the pedal on accident. other than that none in the normal position
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