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    Rohloff Sultan 29er

    First pic of the build...custom paint job...will post a few more detailed shots over the weekend....feels very nice...haven't had a chance to give it a spin....will get a few rides in over the weekend. Comes in at 34.5lb.

    Got to mention Steve and Alex at The Cyclery (Uppermill, Yorkshire) who moved everything over from the Commencal Meta 6...added a few new bits...and built the wheels.

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    Turner Sultan (large) 2009 - custom paint job
    Push Tuned RP23
    Marzocchi 44 Ti 140mm fork (2010)
    Chris King (Ti) headset
    Sun Ringle EQ27 (custom powder coat) rims and DT spokes (thanks to SR for a new set of decals)
    Bontrager FR3 (2.35) tyres...haven't gone tubeless
    Hope 50mm FR stem
    Easton carbon 710mm bars with Race Face ($10 grips!)
    Hope M4 braided brakes on 200mm/180mm rotors
    Drivetrain - Rohloff (Middleburn 40T x 17T) with a bit of filing of the axle plate and rear drop-out on frame (that story elsewhere under Turner forum...)
    Deore cranks and DW pedals
    Hope seat post and clamp, cow hide (flavour) SDG saddle
    I think that's it...er...lots of cable ties everywhere!

    Rohloff Sultan (previously Rohloff Commencal)
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    Won't lose that on the trail!

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    wow! that is really really cool! congrats!

    though please add lots more cool pics of parts and different angles!

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    Tits, Mark.....Tits!


    Take it out and give her a proper flogging.

    Ak -Shun shots, por favor!


    PS: Do I need to yell at you aboot that front brake line?
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    Nice Sultan! Where did you get the custom paint done- is it powdercoat or wet paint?

    I wonder how long before mikesee posts a few pics of himself.

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    Nice bike. Can you post a close up of how you attach the torque arm to the chainstay?

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    Badass rig, but yeah--need ride shots with filth included.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMountain
    I wonder how long before mikesee posts a few pics of himself.
    Sorry for the delay, I had some house projects to finish up. Without further ado...





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    Nice bike, but why no Speedbone? Does it not jive with post-mounts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupboy
    Nice bike, but why no Speedbone? Does it not jive with post-mounts?
    No...Speedbone won't fit with post mounts. So...back to torque arm set-up. Not elegant, but does the same job. Running 40T x 17T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMountain
    Nice Sultan! Where did you get the custom paint done- is it powdercoat or wet paint?

    I wonder how long before mikesee posts a few pics of himself.
    Custom paint job is wet, not powder coat...all metallic colours. Will get some close-ups done and uploaded in next few days. Also had it lacquered so it doesn't chip (too quickly!). Had the Sun Ringle 27EQ's rims powder coated.

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    Really gorgeous bike. The colors are really nice. It's definitely a unique bike.

    After a long while I recently acquired another Rohloff. I may need at least one more. It's an addicting set up once you get passed feeling the whirring of the planetary gears. I love it.
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    Im curious on how that thing feels with the 140mm fork and 50mm? stem....how wide are the bars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipRoar
    Im curious on how that thing feels with the 140mm fork and 50mm? stem....how wide are the bars?
    I ran a 50mm stem on previous bike...handling feels much better. So, carried it over on this. Doesn't lift the front end up (much) on climbs. Bars are 710mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madav13
    I ran a 50mm stem on previous bike...handling feels much better. So, carried it over on this. Doesn't lift the front end up (much) on climbs. Bars are 710mm.
    The bars and stem are my last purchase on my Sultan DW build. Ive been thinking 50-70mm stem and 785mm bars (im big). My forks are 135mm. I like fast steering but dont want to overdue it. Other than lighter front end do you find the steering twitchy or overly quick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipRoar
    The bars and stem are my last purchase on my Sultan DW build. Ive been thinking 50-70mm stem and 785mm bars (im big). My forks are 135mm. I like fast steering but dont want to overdue it. Other than lighter front end do you find the steering twitchy or overly quick?
    Never had twitchy steering problems...blasted it yesterday (sorry no pic's). Compared to the Commencal...it doesn't wallow on the backend. For the first time (in a long time) I was even catching a few other riders on descents (fire tracks)...it rolls fast and doesn't ping around over stones like a 26" wheel. Feels a very solid bike. Just got to wrap some inner-tube around the swingarm to stop chain slap!

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    Absolutely love the color scheme. Black rear tri would have been nice tho.

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    A few build and finish build pic's...

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    The last few pic's...just need to post some action shots now...
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    Great looking...
    For sure, you WILL NOT see anyone on the same bike in your local trails.
    Enjoy it.
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    Looks great!. Im curious how your chain line is looking running your ring in the middle position rather than outer? or is that a single speed specific crank? Any chain line shots?

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    Attached a shot of the chainrings removed from a Deore chainset...and a 40T Middleburn chainring fitted. So...bike runs as a singlespeed...albeit with 14 internal gears in the backend. Lightweight bashguard fitted too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    wow! that is really really cool! congrats!

    though please add lots more cool pics of parts and different angles!
    well son of a ***** you didn't have anything negative or intellectually challenged to say? lets hope this is a sign of things to come

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    Quote Originally Posted by madav13
    Attached a shot of the chainrings removed from a Deore chainset...and a 40T Middleburn chainring fitted. So...bike runs as a singlespeed...albeit with 14 internal gears in the backend. Lightweight bashguard fitted too...
    Looks nice. So your running the Middleburn ring in the middle position on the crank it looks like and bash on outer. Im just curious because the Rohloff wants a 54mm chainline and that would put the ring in the outer position so thats why I asked about your chainline.

    Im doing the same setup as you with the Rohloff although different cranks. Im still awaiting my wheel build so I have not been able to actually SEE the chainline on mine. I wanted to run a bash also but not if it throws my chainline wacky.

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    not necessarily. The new Hollowtech 2 cranksets are set further out, making the middle position just as good if not slightly better than the outer position.

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    Interesting bike, courageous both in kit choices and aesthetics, kudos to you for that .
    It does beg the question if you have modified the rear shock for the Rohloff set-up?

    Enjoy!!
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    Nice ride. My girlfriend says it looks like something "Cat in the Hat" would ride! But, really it is a cool looking ride.Congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenz43
    Interesting bike, courageous both in kit choices and aesthetics, kudos to you for that .
    It does beg the question if you have modified the rear shock for the Rohloff set-up?

    Enjoy!!
    No didn't have shock set up because of Rohloff. Had a RP2 Tuned on a 6" travel Commencal and it changed the feel on the back. I decided to do the same on this build.

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    Awesome looking build, congrats. Have fun and ride safe.

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    big balls

    Ballsy build mate ........ well done it looks great and will be solid for years to come. Coil on the rear would be nice as well but good to have propedal option too.
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    Again, cool build.

    Questions:

    1. The basher doesn't appear to cover your ring/chain entirely. It could just be the camera angle but the outermost portion of the ring/chain appears exposed to contact.
    2. How is the shifting/chain tension in the absence of a non-dual-pulley tensioner? I've run a Rohloff DH tensioner before to SS a FS bike but that's this is the first time I've seen a FS Rohloff bike with a single pulley tensioner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupboy
    Again, cool build.

    Questions:

    1. The basher doesn't appear to cover your ring/chain entirely. It could just be the camera angle but the outermost portion of the ring/chain appears exposed to contact.
    2. How is the shifting/chain tension in the absence of a non-dual-pulley tensioner? I've run a Rohloff DH tensioner before to SS a FS bike but that's this is the first time I've seen a FS Rohloff bike with a single pulley tensioner.

    Cheers, Sean
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    1. I used to run an E13 on a previous build...but it's very bulky. My local bike shop had this spare lightweight bashring...and it seemed about the right size...so on it went! Nothing more technical than it I'm afraid.

    2. I have a Rohloff tensioner, but the spring went (after running it for 2 years)...so whilst waiting for a replacement, we put a Gusset tensioner on (25)...and it seems fine. Dropped a couple of links since the build as the chain occasionally came off. It's fine now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madav13
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    Pardon me...
    But what is this metal, longish shaft-looking thing on the non drive side of chain stay?

    How the shock and suspension is coping with weight of rear wheel? Friend of mine is riding SC Nomad with CC Double Barrel and Speed Hub. He said that sometimes even DB can not hold everything together. Especially on a fast, repeated hits.


    And if you won't mind telling what's your height? I'm 5' 10.5" and not sure if should go for L or M Sultan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IvanMTB
    Pardon me...
    But what is this metal, longish shaft-looking thing on the non drive side of chain stay?

    How the shock and suspension is coping with weight of rear wheel? Friend of mine is riding SC Nomad with CC Double Barrel and Speed Hub. He said that sometimes even DB can not hold everything together. Especially on a fast, repeated hits.
    That would be a torque arm with some hose clamps to catch your shoe on.

    Im sure madav13 will chime in but on my Rohloff'ed DW Sultan (RP23) I didnt notice the weight or any packing on the rebound compared to a non Rohloff'd version I rode. Seems to work quite well..

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    Pardon my ignorance but this

    Quote Originally Posted by RipRoar
    That would be a torque arm
    what is it for? I'm not very familiar with Rollo system but it seems to be ultimate long term, long distance option...

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IvanMTB
    Pardon me...
    But what is this metal, longish shaft-looking thing on the non drive side of chain stay?

    How the shock and suspension is coping with weight of rear wheel? Friend of mine is riding SC Nomad with CC Double Barrel and Speed Hub. He said that sometimes even DB can not hold everything together. Especially on a fast, repeated hits.


    And if you won't mind telling what's your height? I'm 5' 10.5" and not sure if should go for L or M Sultan.
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    "longish shaft-looking thing" is a torque arm. I had to use it as (I didn't at the time) the Sultan frame comes with vertical post mounts...not the "standard" (who's standard?) side post mount. Hence the torque arm.

    I ran the Rohloff on a Commencal Meta 6 VIP for nearly 2 years...so used to the extra weight on the back wheel. Had the RP23 PushTuned...for my height (6'1" - L frame), so not problems with frame/hub.

    At 5'10" I'd go for a M frame....

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    Cheers madav13!

    Looks like I need to familiarize myself with Rollo a little better 'cause still do not have good idea why it was needed for system to work on Sultan.
    Of caourse I'm taking what you said that you needed it

    Many thanks!
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    Let me google that for you http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rohloff+torqe+arm+

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    you skimped on the chain tensioner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipRoar
    Let me google that for you http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rohloff+torqe+arm+

    Much appreciated Sir

    Start to have idea...

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slurry
    you skimped on the chain tensioner?
    Cheers Slurry...you are right. Have a Rohloff chain tensioner, but the spring needed replacing. In a hurry to get the bike on the road...so put the Gusset on. Have a new spring now...so waiting for Gusset to go and I'll swap it over. Gusset seems to be running fine for the moment.

    The bike runs great...check out...

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=643631

    and...

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=642231

    for latest pic's...great bike. Does everything the Commencal Meta 6 did, but doesn't "wallow" and longer wheel base makes for better tracking across/down hills. Couldn't ask for more (for now)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IvanMTB
    Pardon me...
    But what is this metal, longish shaft-looking thing on the non drive side of chain stay?

    How the shock and suspension is coping with weight of rear wheel? Friend of mine is riding SC Nomad with CC Double Barrel and Speed Hub. He said that sometimes even DB can not hold everything together. Especially on a fast, repeated hits.


    And if you won't mind telling what's your height? I'm 5' 10.5" and not sure if should go for L or M Sultan.
    Cheers!
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