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    Rigid 29er, Cane Creek S3 or S8 headset

    Hi Folks-

    Need a headset for my new El Mar build. Cane Creek wins becuase of previous good experiences with them.

    S3 or S8 are my choices at the LBS.

    Any compelling reasons to go with one over the other?

    Thanks!

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    Whichever one is less expensive. They'll both do fine.

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    S3 is perfectly fine as long as your frame is steel or aluminium. The tolerances on higher-end titanium frames are very tight. As such, I usually recommend a headset with the same spot-on tolerances like a CC110 or CK.

    I have run an S2 in my 26er since 2001. No issues ever. Had an S3 in my Inbred... also no issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgermtb
    Hi Folks-

    Need a headset for my new El Mar build. Cane Creek wins becuase of previous good experiences with them.

    S3 or S8 are my choices at the LBS.

    Any compelling reasons to go with one over the other?

    Thanks!
    I think the only real difference is the S8 has higher grade bearings. The S3 bearings are pretty good anyway. Not sure it really makes a significant difference.

    Headsets don't make you faster.

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    looking like...

    The S3 may be the winner so far.

    Or maybe I'll seeif they have a "jump" headset.

    I don't care about weight...I want durability...a headset that can take the constant beating of the rigid fork on al sorts of trails.

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    Heh...

    Quote Originally Posted by badgermtb
    The S3 may be the winner so far.

    Or maybe I'll seeif they have a "jump" headset.

    I don't care about weight...I want durability...a headset that can take the constant beating of the rigid fork on al sorts of trails.

    ... The Tank Jump headset is pretty dang burley. You can find them online for cheap too... like $24.

    Reality is... when was the last time you had a headset fail on you? IMO, as long as you get a decent grade (not stamped steel) headset, it will last just about forever unless the seals fail and it sucks in a bunch of dirt.

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    I have on S3 on my previous commuter...aluminum cyclocross frame, rigid carbon fork. It's an install-and-forget-it item. 4 sierra winters, rain, snow, slush, mud, grime, whatever.... 9k commuting miles on that bike on dirt roads, potholes, and bad pavement in fall, winter, and spring (I'm a teacher), and I never once loostened the stem clamp to tighten the headset. The frame/fork is hanging in the garage ready for more.
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    I have used 3 S3s now, they are cheap and durable. Two were run on XC bikes, seeing lots of wet conditions and sand, one on a big hit bike under the same conditions but heavier duty use... maybe drops up to 8 feet or so, some cased dirt jumps and bad landings. I am not sure there's a reason to spend a ton of money when the budget options work so well. If you buy on ebay, beware, there are counterfeit ones that are almost indistinguishable from the real deal, but much cheaper in quality.
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    If you want a really sweet headset and don't care about color (other than pewter) - check out the price Cane Creek has on their old Solos headsets via their online store.

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    Nice!

    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    If you want a really sweet headset and don't care about color (other than pewter) - check out the price Cane Creek has on their old Solos headsets via their online store.
    $43 for a Solos. Those were super nice, IIRC.

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    https://store.canecreek.com/products...6.18069.0.0.0?


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    I have one on my 29er - it is silky smooth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    ... The Tank Jump headset is pretty dang burley. You can find them online for cheap too... like $24.

    Reality is... when was the last time you had a headset fail on you? IMO, as long as you get a decent grade (not stamped steel) headset, it will last just about forever unless the seals fail and it sucks in a bunch of dirt.
    I had a Tank II on mine and the bearings fell apart after 3 months, so I put in a FSA Pig DH Pro Headset. Sealed and very tough and $32.00.
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    Replaced the stock headset on my MC29 with the S3 in the spring and have thrown more abuse at the bike than any rigid should receive. So far it's still buttery smooth and holding up fine.
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    S3 or 8 are great, especially for the price. I pick'm over the 3 CK headsets I no longer use as the lack of a compression ring make King's creaky (the rear hubs are still the best though).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311
    I have used 3 S3s now, they are cheap and durable. Two were run on XC bikes, seeing lots of wet conditions and sand, one on a big hit bike under the same conditions but heavier duty use... maybe drops up to 8 feet or so, some cased dirt jumps and bad landings. I am not sure there's a reason to spend a ton of money when the budget options work so well. If you buy on ebay, beware, there are counterfeit ones that are almost indistinguishable from the real deal, but much cheaper in quality.

    hmmm, damn. I just picked up an S8 on ebay, super cheap,
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=310240195799

    No cane creek packaging, generic top cap, but US based seller with great feedback.

    Do you think I have a knock off on the way?

    Anyway to tell?

    Wish I had seen that solos deal, thats a great deal

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    I have an S8 in my Avanti KISS29 rigid ss, and its been a dream.
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    Yeah...

    Quote Originally Posted by jager7
    hmmm, damn. I just picked up an S8 on ebay, super cheap,
    https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...m=310240195799

    No cane creek packaging, generic top cap, but US based seller with great feedback.

    Do you think I have a knock off on the way?

    Anyway to tell?

    Wish I had seen that solos deal, thats a great deal
    If it was silver, I would totally get like 3 of them for future builds. Yeah, it's nice, but I'm not convinced its that significant an upgrade from an S3.... that's how good the S3 is.

    Of course, the Solos is blingier!!

    I agree about the Chris King. No compression ring... instead a compression o-ring that allows some movement. Odd that for $130 they couldn't budget in the Cane Creek patent on the aheadset's compression ring.

    This is what I want for blingta$tic blingy!!



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    s8

    i run an s8 i picked up on ebay for the price of an s3 on my rigid steel ride. i've used s3's as well, and couldn't tell the difference. would've went s3 again if i didn't find such a bargain on an s8. i run CK on my full sus 26er, and can't see any advantage over the cane creek. i'll save some money in the future and only get canes.

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    Cane Creek 100 has same black ano as Thomson, FWIW. Just put one in my fresh El Mar build, very nice quality also, as with all Cane Creek.
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    the 100 is the way to go. biggest bang for buck
    Why are there so many threads about cheap ass bikes?

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    Hard to beat Cane Creek, especially for the rigid application. The SOLOS was a great suggestion by MMcG.

    In the fleet (past/present), we've used the S3, SOLOS and 100 and 110. All great performers.

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    You'll be happy with either.

    I've had S3s, S8s, 110s, Solos, and ZS6s headsets on my bikes, the compression ring does make a difference.
    Course the fact that Cane Creek is local to me might be another reason I use them.
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    Oh and I gotta mention - I got my Solos from nitrousjunky who also notified me of the deal via the CC web site. So props to him for that!

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    went with the S3

    Thanks for the insight, folks!

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    I have been having a LOT of creaking from my S-8 headset.
    Check out this thread:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=351708
    The bearings that are in my S-8 say HSS20130 (the iron bearing). The cane creek website says the S-8 comes only with the HSS20131 (the stainless steel bearing).....but this S-8 was CHEAP. The cheap bearing seals are blue, the good ones are grey.

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    Creaky Creeks....

    Quote Originally Posted by omanwurmi
    I have been having a LOT of creaking from my S-8 headset.
    Check out this thread:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=351708
    The bearings that are in my S-8 say HSS20130 (the iron bearing). The cane creek website says the S-8 comes only with the HSS20131 (the stainless steel bearing).....but this S-8 was CHEAP. The cheap bearing seals are blue, the good ones are grey.
    Often the interface between the race and bottom bearing will creak. A thin layer of thick grease will solve that for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgermtb
    Hi Folks-

    Need a headset for my new El Mar build. Cane Creek wins becuase of previous good experiences with them.

    S3 or S8 are my choices at the LBS.

    Any compelling reasons to go with one over the other?

    Thanks!
    S3 is great headset, been in Mary for about a year now and no problems...it's also cheaper than S8 but either one would be nice.
    Get off the couch and ride! :)

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    why skimp on the HS, its in pretty much for the life of your frame, just do the 110 and be done.

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