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  • 02-04-2010
    jdmckeel
    Ride Soul
    I finally got my Soul Cycles Dillinger built up and out on some trails before class today. I've still got to trim my brake hoses, I was too anxious to get out and ride.







    The build:
    Soul Cycles Dillinger G3 Frame and Fork
    Stan's Crest laced to Hope Pro II's (Rampage front - Crossmark back)
    Avid Elixir CR's
    Ragley Carnegie's Bar
    WI Single Speed Cranks
    Thompson Seatpost
    WTB saddle
    Ergons
    Crank Bros Candies
  • 02-04-2010
    chumbox
    Nice build. Looks awesome.
  • 02-04-2010
    the munts
    I feel like I've seen that bike somewhere
  • 02-04-2010
    Sunburst576
    I like the G3's cable tabs run under the top tube as opposed to the earlier one run on top. Nice, I miss mine.:madman:
  • 02-05-2010
    Slurry
    are you running the stock eccentric? and if so, did you tighten the set-screws to torque spec or just tighten them until they were 'tight enough'?
  • 02-05-2010
    jdmckeel
    Thanks fellows.

    I am running the stock EBB. The first time I torqued the set-screws I did it to specs. I biked to school (about 12 miles round trip) and by the time I got home it had slipped a quarter inch, at least. I re-torqued to 'tight enough' when I got home, it was almost double spec I think, and it didn't budge yesterday.

    Munts ~ If all this snow misses us we will have to ride.
  • 02-05-2010
    blooper
    Very nice. I really like those frames.
  • 02-05-2010
    Slurry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jdmckeel
    Thanks fellows.

    I am running the stock EBB. The first time I torqued the set-screws I did it to specs. I biked to school (about 12 miles round trip) and by the time I got home it had slipped a quarter inch, at least. I re-torqued to 'tight enough' when I got home, it was almost double spec I think, and it didn't budge yesterday.

    Munts ~ If all this snow misses us we will have to ride.


    ah, thats good to know. I've been having a lot of trouble with mine, it would slip almost immediately, even after being tightened to the max torque spec.

    I have a Bushnell in there now, which seems to be holding a lot better. I kinda wonder where they came up with the torque spec range for the set screws if they don't hold even at max torque.
  • 02-05-2010
    el-cid
    Man, those are great looking frames; one of the biggest bang-for-the-buck buys out there. Needs a silver stem or a black seatpost though.
  • 02-05-2010
    jdmckeel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slurry
    ah, thats good to know. I've been having a lot of trouble with mine, it would slip almost immediately, even after being tightened to the max torque spec.

    I have a Bushnell in there now, which seems to be holding a lot better. I kinda wonder where they came up with the torque spec range for the set screws if they don't hold even at max torque.

    I just realized it was your thread that I read through a few times about the EBB slipping. The torque recommendation sticker that was on my bike also said to start low and tighten as needed, so Soul may have just been trying to keep folks from over torquing the first time around. How has the Dillinger been for you otherwise?

    I've marked the frame with pencil to keep an easy eye on it, hopefully I'll be able to get out this weekend and put some real miles on it. If the weatherman is right though a snowpocalyse may be coming.
  • 02-06-2010
    Slurry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jdmckeel
    I just realized it was your thread that I read through a few times about the EBB slipping. The torque recommendation sticker that was on my bike also said to start low and tighten as needed, so Soul may have just been trying to keep folks from over torquing the first time around. How has the Dillinger been for you otherwise?

    I've marked the frame with pencil to keep an easy eye on it, hopefully I'll be able to get out this weekend and put some real miles on it. If the weatherman is right though a snowpocalyse may be coming.

    Well I ended up sending that frame back, and just got a new G3 white Dillinger myself. The previous frame had some issues with the shape of the bottom bracket shell, which made getting the biocentric to work impossible. As far as the set screws go, you're right about the "start low and tighten as needed" idea, but even at the max spec (70 in-lbs) on my newest frame, I could get the EBB to slip just by holding the front brake and standing on the driveside pedal. IMO there's no way that torque spec is adequate to prevent slipping on any rider. I'm not quite sure why its listed so low.

    Otherwise I have to agree that the Dillinger is a good 'bang for the buck', but I am still a bit disappointed with some of their manufacturing tolerances. I've had a total of three frames and all have been off significantly in either dropout spacing and/or rear triangle alignment, but, again, i paid $300 for frame and fork.

    If i had a camera i'd post a picture. It is probably the best looking bike i've ever owned.
  • 02-06-2010
    Guitar Ted
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    This will be the second Dillinger tested and so far both have been flawless mechanically and in alignment. The EBB on both tested have been perfect. Quiet and slip free. I've changed cog sizes once already on the blue Gen III frame seen here and no issue.

    I have the torque spec sticker right in front of me, (ironically enough) and it says 4.5 to 5.8 Ftt/Lbs, which seemed a bit light to me, so mine may be a bit tighter. At any rate, I'll be watching this issue, but quite frankly I see no reason to be worried about the example I am testing now.
  • 02-06-2010
    agu
    nice Dillingers! We ordered batch which should be arriving in the next week or so. Anxious to build one up as well!

    Too bad the only blue Chad had was an 18! Love that color especially with the P35s! (we also ordered a bunch of rims from Velocity)

    Will post photos of a Dillinger in warmer climes soon!
  • 02-06-2010
    Sunburst576
    Never had a problem with my EBB. Here's my departed Dillinger
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4123986256/" title="P1100836 by sunburst576, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2683/4123986256_315b8c5597_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="P1100836" /></a>
  • 02-07-2010
    jdmckeel
    Sunburst 576 - I love that black Brooks on the white frame. Super classy.
  • 02-07-2010
    Blatant
    Soul is local to me and my buddy just picked up a rootbeer Dillinger for his first SS.
  • 02-07-2010
    Sunburst576
    Thanks JD. It was a beautiful bike but alas... it was one size to big for me and the rigid setup was to much for my mid fifties body. It may be gone but not it's not forgotten. I got a lot of :thumbsup:
  • 02-08-2010
    bloo
    i'm so jealous, i'm building up my white Dilinger as well and can't wait to finish it up. sadly, still have some ways to go with components.

    what a nice build!
  • 02-09-2010
    vonster monster
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    I just finished my rootbeer Dillinger and rode it for the first time on Suday. What a sweet bike. Hopefully I can load some pictures.
  • 02-24-2010
    cherrybomber
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    This will be the second Dillinger tested and so far both have been flawless mechanically and in alignment. The EBB on both tested have been perfect. Quiet and slip free. I've changed cog sizes once already on the blue Gen III frame seen here and no issue.

    I have the torque spec sticker right in front of me, (ironically enough) and it says 4.5 to 5.8 Ftt/Lbs, which seemed a bit light to me, so mine may be a bit tighter. At any rate, I'll be watching this issue, but quite frankly I see no reason to be worried about the example I am testing now.


    got an email from Chad at Soul Cycles (great guy to work with)

    he said to note that the stickers are a typo. actual max torque for the set screws are 20-30NM heavier riders might get some slippage. im not quite sure what that is in ftt/lbs though :skep:

    hope this helps :)
  • 02-24-2010
    Guitar Ted
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cherrybomber
    got an email from Chad at Soul Cycles (great guy to work with)

    he said to note that the stickers are a typo. actual max torque for the set screws are 20-30NM heavier riders might get some slippage. im not quite sure what that is in ftt/lbs though :skep:

    hope this helps :)

    Cool! I'll note that and check where I am at with the torque. Thanks.
    I've had zero issues though, so I think I will be finding I am very close to spot on.
  • 02-24-2010
    jdmckeel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cherrybomber
    got an email from Chad at Soul Cycles (great guy to work with)

    he said to note that the stickers are a typo. actual max torque for the set screws are 20-30NM heavier riders might get some slippage. im not quite sure what that is in ftt/lbs though :skep:

    hope this helps :)

    Sounds much more reasonable, thanks! I'll have to check what mine is torqued to, but it's feels about perfect right now. No slipping or creaking what so ever.
  • 02-25-2010
    cherrybomber
    had to give up my white dillinger. *sniff* *sniff* guess i have to wait for the next batch to hit our shores. oh well...gives me more time to find some handle bars and other parts.

    Hey JD you liking that ragley bar? was thinking of putting it on the dillinger. I tried Mary's before but i felt they had too much bend for a wide clyde like me and ended up tucking my elbows near my body.
  • 02-25-2010
    Mr Pink57
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jdmckeel
    I finally got my Soul Cycles Dillinger built up and out on some trails before class today. I've still got to trim my brake hoses, I was too anxious to get out and ride.


    The build:
    Soul Cycles Dillinger G3 Frame and Fork
    Stan's Crest laced to Hope Pro II's (Rampage front - Crossmark back)
    Avid Elixir CR's
    Ragley Carnegie's Bar
    WI Single Speed Cranks
    Thompson Seatpost
    WTB saddle
    Ergons
    Crank Bros Candies

    How is that bar treating you? Have you used any other "funny" style bar before?

    pink
  • 02-25-2010
    jdmckeel
    This is my first alt-bar, so I really can't compare it to Marys or others. I ended up going with the Carnegie's mainly because they were 31.8 and a bit wider than the Mary. I have a few 31.8 stems in different lengths, so it was just going to be easier to find a good setup with the stems I already had.

    I love the bar so far. It puts my wrist in a very natural position (compared to flat bars) and I love the width so far. I had it on my fixed Crosscheck for a week before I finished building the Dillinger and it made climbing a lot more enjoyable. I haven't had much time on trails with them though, as the snow has kept the trails hid for weeks.

    Also:

    Chad has updated his blog with revised torque specs:

    http://blog.ridesoul.com/
  • 02-28-2010
    cherrybomber
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    First Soul ride- Sould on the Soul
    i took our demo Dillinger out for a spin at our local trails.

    words fail me when i try to explain how happy i am with this bike. lets just say i was smiling so wide i had to spit out a bug. i was even clapping my hands during breaks, dancing and trying to compose a song about the bike.

    The bike was built as a 32x20 rigid. Agu can tell you more about the componentry if your curious. got some new Usagi Hygia brakes on them and they worked just fine for me as well (thats a post for somewhere else of course).

    as a background and my point of comparison i use to ride a steel 26er 32x18.

    my biased judgement before coming in:
    1. its going to be stiffer than my old steel ride.
    2. its going to be the same gearing (more or less) than the 32x18 on a 26.

    Wroooooong!!!

    to quote their t-shirt- Soul cycles frames- (freaking)Magical.

    the gearing was spot on, just the right ratio for the dirt, easier to crank than what i was used to.

    but the ride.. ohhh the ride.. it was supple and.. comfy!!! :eekster:

    i was preparing to be punished and have my back turn into a pretzel and my arms turn to jello. how would i put it- its like a soft tail in front and in the back? of course i couldnt do drops or really rough stuff without hurting myself, but most of the rocky stuff, I just shot right through.

    steering was wonderful as well. also climbed like a mountain goat which i found surprising. no drama whatsoever going up a loose gravelly steep incline.

    Hats off to Chad for such a great product. :thumbsup: cant wait to get a dillinger to call my own. :)
  • 03-01-2010
    agu
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    Here are the specs of the Dillinger Cherrybomber rode:

    Soul Cycles Dillinger G3 Frame and Fork
    Shimano Deore XT 2008 hubs laced to Salsa Delgado Race rims*
    Bontrager ACX 29 tires*
    Hygia Usagi brakes
    Salsa Moto Ace flat bar with 11 sweep*
    Salsa Scandium Stem*
    Shimano Deore Cranks
    Salsa 32T chainring
    Surly 20T cog*
    WTB Speed V Saddle (rider's own)
    Double-layered grip tape*
    Shimano SPD (rider's own)

    As this is our demo rig pedals and saddle choice will be dependent on the rider. Items with asterisks will be updated with V2 of the build. We're just waiting for a few more choice goodies.

    As built the Soul comes in between 23 and 24 pounds.
  • 03-01-2010
    bloo
    man, this thread inspires me to finish building my Dillinger. it's good to read that fully rigid won't beat me up as much as i am anticipating.

    that demo build looks sweet!
  • 03-04-2010
    cherrybomber
    got the full review on my blog. please drop by and say hi. :)

    http://www.mynextbike.com/spin-city.html
  • 03-08-2010
    ryank04
    Ive been lurking for a while and a bunch of posts and reviews led me to purchase a dillenger frame as well, in white. Hoping to have it all built up within the next week or 2. Picked up a fox 32 f100, going to be running a 32/20 ss setup (my first singlespeed so if i (or my knees) hate it ill just go 1x9 )
  • 03-08-2010
    bloo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ryank04
    Ive been lurking for a while and a bunch of posts and reviews led me to purchase a dillenger frame as well, in white. Hoping to have it all built up within the next week or 2. Picked up a fox 32 f100, going to be running a 32/20 ss setup (my first singlespeed so if i (or my knees) hate it ill just go 1x9 )

    please post pics when you're done!:thumbsup:

    i had to put my build on hold for now but hopefully in a couple of months it will back on track. really just missing wheelset and crankset.
  • 03-08-2010
    ryank04
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bloo
    please post pics when you're done!:thumbsup:

    i had to put my build on hold for now but hopefully in a couple of months it will back on track. really just missing wheelset and crankset.


    Yea definatly will post the pics when i start the build . I went with the the Truvative STYLO crankset, and EASTON xc two wheelset. both priced decently on jenson with favorable reviews for the most part.
  • 03-12-2010
    ryank04
    Parts have begun to arrive this morning, unfortunatly the frame wont' be in till next week so i won't be able to do much over the weekend on it.

  • 03-17-2010
    ryank04
    Started to build the frame up, just waiting on the fork to come in tomorrow, should be ready to ride on the weekend.


    Found i might need to order up a half link, there was less adjustment with the ebb then originally hoped, the chain seems fairly taunt, but might be problamatic once it has some power applied to it.

    I ordered a paint blemished fram and there are really only 2 marks on it on the dropouts where you cant even see them, other then that this frame is amazing looking, very impressed overall.

    One thing ive noticed to, is pictures of the bike tend to show the lettering is light blue, but it is actually a darker blue, the flash and flake just makes it show up a bit different.





  • 03-17-2010
    bloo
    ryank04, that looks like it will be a fun ride!

    i agree about the frame, pics don't do it justice, i fell in love with it the first time i laid my eyes on it.
  • 03-17-2010
    Just J
    Enjoy the bike, I'm loving my Hooligan so much!
  • 03-17-2010
    ryank04
    Yeah i can't wait, weather is supposed to be about 60 and sunny this weekend (in rhode island) so hopefully it will be all set to ride and cover the shiny white paint in dirt.:thumbsup:


    next step is to go to home depot tonight to make a tool to press the bearing cups in.
  • 03-18-2010
    ryank04
    my dillinger is all done, just took it for a spin around the neighborhood, already sold on the singlespeed and 29. All ready to hit the trails on saturday!










  • 03-18-2010
    88 rex
    I had a hooligan and I agree with all the praises being given to Soul cycles and the frames. Great bikes, great frames, and a great ride. Mine was set-up 26/650b. Loved it gear'd and SS.
  • 03-18-2010
    agu
    nice Dillinger! and nice VooDoo in the background there!
  • 03-18-2010
    agu
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    Just a little update...

    Fitted a demo set of Velocity P35s...getting it dirty this weekend!
  • 03-18-2010
    ryank04
    thanks guys, yea even with the quick ride this bike feels great, very nimble and light. For the price i don't think this frame can be beat.


    Yea thats my buddies vodoo bokor, ss 26, just put on a suntour epicon and a new stem and answer bar. been working on both of them this week.
  • 02-02-2011
    jdmckeel
    Birthday!
    I happened upon a Fox F29 the other day, and after a year of riding rigid I could no longer resist.









    I've only been able to ride it on pavement around the block so far, so no real review yet. It does look cooler ... that's half the purpose of suspension forks right?
  • 02-02-2011
    appleSSeed
    love this thread!
  • 02-02-2011
    skilikeme
    Can't wait to get mine in a few months!!
  • 02-03-2011
    Just J
    Here's my new Dillinger which replaced my Hooligan, 23.1lbs and I really like it!...



















  • 02-03-2011
    dubdryver
    I just ordered a Small Brushed this week from Chad, so for the moment I will post the build. I am very excited to get the frame, and I hope with the Dillinger 4 any EBB problems were resolved...it will be fun either way.
  • 02-03-2011
    IdleHands
    My first 29er, a "new" G2 Dillinger build. Chad from Soul had the frame laying around (Mislabeled as a Hooligan, so it's been named the Dilligan) and hooked me up, so a big thanks as always to him:thumbsup:



    Dillinger G2 20" Frame
    2010 Rock Shox Reba Race
    Chris King Hubs laced to Velocity Blunt rims with DT Swiss double butts
    Race Face Evolve XC Crankset 32T
    Avid Elixir CR Brakes 185F/160R
    Cane Creek 110 Headset
    Race Face Dues 90mm Stem
    Race Face Atlas AM Handlebars
    Thomson Elite Seatpost
    WTB Rocket V SLT Ti Saddle
    VP Components VP59 Pedals
    Portland Design Works Grips
    Maxxis Ikon 2.2 Tires (Tubeless Via Stans FR strips)
    MRP 1X Chainguide
    Chris King 20T Cog
    KMC X9SL Chain
    Salsa Ti Skewers

    Have my XX 10 speed drivetrain on order, so it won't be a SS for long. It's a fun bike overall, rides like a Cadillac and steers like a battleship. 29" wheels won't be taking over my stable, but they make for a great XC bike.
  • 02-03-2011
    dubdryver
    You will like the XX, I have 2x10 on my Tallboy XX cassette 1091R chain w/ XO/X9 and its worth it. With a light setup you may consider 1x10.
  • 02-03-2011
    IdleHands
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dubdryver
    You will like the XX, I have 2x10 on my Tallboy XX cassette 1091R chain w/ XO/X9 and its worth it. With a light setup you may consider 1x10.


    It will be a 1x10, getting the XX cassette, rear der, shifter and a KMC X10SL chain.
  • 02-03-2011
    dubdryver
    Sounds good, but I would suggest against the KMC chains, they eat up SRAM jockey wheels and aluminum chainrings..which XX rings are not cheap!...Also, when designing the XX cassette, they engineered it work specifically with the 1091R
  • 02-03-2011
    IdleHands
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dubdryver
    Sounds good, but I would suggest against the KMC chains, they eat up SRAM jockey wheels and aluminum chainrings..which XX rings are not cheap!...Also, when designing the XX cassette, they engineered it work specifically with the 1091R

    I have been running the KMC X9SL's on Sram 990's and XO cassettes for the past couple years and have found just the opposite. On my Soul AM prototype I have been running the same chain and cassette for nearly 5000 miles and both still shift as crisp as new. Also, I have a tendency to snap SRAM chains within a week or 2, especially their hollow pin chains.
  • 02-03-2011
    dubdryver
    Yah I snapped a couple PC-991 hollowpins as well, and I thought I wouldn't go back to it after that, I replaced all my chains then w/ the PC-991 CrossStep. The 1091R is a different animal, and definitely stronger than the others, but if the KMCs work for you and serves you well, I am not someone to suggest a fix to something that is already working!
  • 02-14-2011
    dubdryver
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    Sooo... Christmas came again!! Here is what I got so far..some items not shown, fork and crankset are being painted white. :)

    Not going to go into a parts list quite yet.

    Soul Ride Dillinger!!!
  • 02-15-2011
    bloo
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    keep us posted on your build

    here's a not so great phone pic of mine just setup 1x9
  • 02-15-2011
    dubdryver
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    Crankset
    Ok..so I am doing a little bit of some custom work. Maybe some won't be hip to my taste or artistry...or lack there of.. Anyways, this is the first bit.

    It was previously a black and gray Truvativ Noir 3.3 Team Carbon that will be converted to SS. I used some painter's tape and exacto knife to allow me to keep the logo. The crank has 3 coats of paint, and 2 coats of clear..one more coat and I will let it cure while I wait for my Homebrew 34T Ano Red chainring...enjoy! :p
  • 03-07-2011
    qdawgg
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    Here's my Icon, have only had it less than a year and I live in the Northeast so I haven't been able to ride it at all for months now.
  • 03-12-2011
    dubdryver
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    So I have been procastinating on posting pictures mostly because I haven't been able to find my camera after the last MTB trip. I believe it is a hair below or right at 20lb. I am judging it compared to my Tallboy which is 23.7 w/o pedals or cages.

    Soul Cycles Dillinger (s) brushed silver w/ SC seatcollar (red)
    Soul Cycles EBB w/ Ti. hardware (red)
    American Classic 29 Tubeless w/ Maxxis Ikon EXC 2.2 front/rear
    Rockshox Reba RLT Ti. 29 100mm (originally black, painted white w/ simple RS logo stickers)
    Hope headset (red)
    Bontrager XXX Lite carbon stem (white)
    Crank Bros. Cobalt Low-Rise Carbon 680mm
    E-Thirteen Guide Ring 34T (red)
    Ergon GX-1 grips
    Formula RX brakes (white)
    KCMC Razor disc rotors w/ Ti bolts
    Truvativ Noir 3.3 Team painted white (custom) Ti. bolts
    (red) 1/2x1/8
    KMC K710SL-Ti (gold) 1/2x1/8
    Chris King Stainless 16T cog
    Easton EC70 Carbon seatpost
    Specialized Phenom Expert Ti
  • 06-12-2011
    cherrybomber
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by IdleHands View Post
    My first 29er, a "new" G2 Dillinger build. Chad from Soul had the frame laying around (Mislabeled as a Hooligan, so it's been named the Dilligan) and hooked me up, so a big thanks as always to him:thumbsup:



    Dillinger G2 20" Frame
    2010 Rock Shox Reba Race
    Chris King Hubs laced to Velocity Blunt rims with DT Swiss double butts
    Race Face Evolve XC Crankset 32T
    Avid Elixir CR Brakes 185F/160R
    Cane Creek 110 Headset
    Race Face Dues 90mm Stem
    Race Face Atlas AM Handlebars
    Thomson Elite Seatpost
    WTB Rocket V SLT Ti Saddle
    VP Components VP59 Pedals
    Portland Design Works Grips
    Maxxis Ikon 2.2 Tires (Tubeless Via Stans FR strips)
    MRP 1X Chainguide
    Chris King 20T Cog
    KMC X9SL Chain
    Salsa Ti Skewers

    Have my XX 10 speed drivetrain on order, so it won't be a SS for long. It's a fun bike overall, rides like a Cadillac and steers like a battleship. 29" wheels won't be taking over my stable, but they make for a great XC bike.


    woohaaa! love the color scheme! what rims are those?

    mines been repainted purple with green rims. woulda been interesting to see those side by side.