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    Revel Rascal vs Ibis Ripley V4

    I am looking to replace a 29er medium travel bike frame with something a little newer in design. I will be using my Fox 140mm forks from my existing bike, XO1 group (more or less) and a mix of other decent parts. Looking to build a trail bike that is good for climbing and all day (central Rocky Mountain area) trail riding on the bike. I think I have narrowed my choice down to Ripley V4 vs Revel Rascal. Although I haven't yet ridden either. I am checking to see which bike others would choose in this situation.

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    Iíve only pedaled the Ripley on the parking lot for a minute. I own the rascal.

    My opinion is the Ripley is a bit lighter and climbs a bit lighter. A bit better in tight places. And comes alive quicker on easier terrain.

    The rascal is a couple notches more aggressive, and capable. While being just a tiny bit worst at climbing.

    I think the rascal gives up 1 point on the climbs but makes up 2 points on the descents. They are both great in the flats/traverses, with Ripley being a little snappier and the rascal handling flat chunk better.

    Obviously Iím extrapolating and making some assumptions here.

    If your emphasis is strongly on light weight build and climbing, I think the ripley wins out. Otherwise I think rascal wins out. If your emphasis is on mountain biking: rascal wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gratefulone View Post
    Iíve only pedaled the Ripley on the parking lot for a minute. I own the rascal.

    My opinion is the Ripley is a bit lighter and climbs a bit lighter. A bit better in tight places. And comes alive quicker on easier terrain.

    The rascal is a couple notches more aggressive, and capable. While being just a tiny bit worst at climbing.

    I think the rascal gives up 1 point on the climbs but makes up 2 points on the descents. They are both great in the flats/traverses, with Ripley being a little snappier and the rascal handling flat chunk better.

    Obviously Iím extrapolating and making some assumptions here.

    If your emphasis is strongly on light weight build and climbing, I think the ripley wins out. Otherwise I think rascal wins out. If your emphasis is on mountain biking: rascal wins.
    Similar experience on the Ripley, and a good chunk of time on the Ibis DW platform, and a Rascal owner.

    I think Gratefulone nailed it. I tested most 130mm bikes in the class prior to buying a Rascal (sight unseen), and am so happy with it.

    My bias is towards suffering more on the ups, to have more fun on the downs.

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    Can anybody compare the Smuggler of 2018 with those bikes? I'm riding a Smuggler but uphill it really feels like an Enduro... Something quicker would be nice with the same fun at the descend

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    I had my mind set on the Rascal (before the price went up). For my needs of 10000' vert days, the Rascal frame was too heavy and it pedaled poorly compared to the Ibis. And I snagged a new Ripley V4 with Factory rear shock for hundreds less than the Revel. Revel couldn't match that. If I had a 140 fork and wasn't concerned about climbing prowess, I'd be on a Rascal as my top choice. Gorgeous frame.

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    What did they cost before the price increase? Rascal frames still seem pretty well priced at $2,800 (with a headset).

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    I had my mind set on the Rascal (before the price went up)

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    A ripley frame with factory shock is almost $3,000 so it would seem ripley would be hundreds more unless there are deals to be had

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    What did they cost before the price increase? Rascal frames still seem pretty well priced at $2,800 (with a headset).
    The price didn't actually go up. They now ship their bikes in an Evoc roll away travel case which you can decide to keep OR send back to them and they refund you the $200 or so. Simply was a new policy (and smart one too)... and they're STILL cheaper than a Ripley! I know for my riding style this would be a no brainer - Rascal for sure (Canfield Balance owner so I know what their suspensions can do).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbrockenchain View Post
    A ripley frame with factory shock is almost $3,000 so it would seem ripley would be hundreds more unless there are deals to be had
    I, and many others, were getting them delivered in the US for $2500, and that's with the Factory rear shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    The price didn't actually go up. They now ship their bikes in an Evoc roll away travel case which you can decide to keep OR send back to them and they refund you the $300 or so. Simply was a new policy (and smart one too)... and they're STILL cheaper than a Ripley! I know for my riding style this would be a no brainer - Rascal for sure (Canfield Balance owner so I know what their suspensions can do).

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    When I was interested, around April, Revel told me the EVOC was for complete bikes, and it was a $200 refund. The frame shipped in a cardboard box, and it was $2599 plus shipping before the price increase. Ripley V4 with Factory rear shock are $2500 delivered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    When I was interested, around April, Revel told me the EVOC was for complete bikes, and it was a $200 refund. The frame shipped in a cardboard box, and it was $2599 plus shipping before the price increase. Ripley V4 with Factory rear shock are $2500 delivered.
    I corrected my post with the proper refund amount but still... the Ripley is $2999 in the US with Factory shock so how do you come up with $2500 unless you're a dealer maybe?
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    I am a bit in a similar situation. From my HT 100mm 29er i was looking for some wider rims, some more travel and finaly i decided i will stretch my fork to 120mm. This 21 pounder is a good match for a small rider like me and all the components do a great job.
    Maybe a new bike will be your solution or maybe an upgrade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    I corrected my post with the proper refund amount but still... the Ripley is $2999 in the US with Factory shock so how do you come up with $2500 unless you're a dealer maybe?
    I am not a dealer. Not in the industry at all. Simply called a well-known Ibis dealer, and a large black Factory V4 frame showed up a week later. It was word-of-mouth via mtbr, no "catches" or funny business.

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    Nice. That is a killer deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    I am not a dealer. Not in the industry at all. Simply called a well-known Ibis dealer, and a large black Factory V4 frame showed up a week later. It was word-of-mouth via mtbr, no "catches" or funny business.

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    I was looking at both of these bikes myself. I picked up a Rascal from the Revel headquarters in Carbondale and took it on a 3 hr demo ride. I really liked it. It pedaled great and I was amazed by the rear suspension. I've ridden a lot of bikes and this was the first one I've tried where the suspension actually worked while braking. Noticeably so. Some are better than others but usually when you grab the rear brake, the back end stiffens and you end up skipping around. Not on the Rascal. However, I had quite a few pedal strikes. The cranks were 175 mm and the fork was set at 140.

    A week later I demoed a Ripley from my LBS. My impression is that it is more plush than the Rascal yet still pedaled just as well. The Ripley seemed a little more nimble, too. Being able to ride my local trails, which I know super well, may have helped but I bought the Ripley. With more time to tune the suspension to my liking, I may have gone for the Rascal but straight from the shop floor to the trails on the Ripley felt fantastic and that was only with the shop kid setting sag. I didn't touch anything else. The pedal strikes on the Rascal were a downer for me, too. They are both amazing bikes and you really can't go wrong with either one, though.

    One thing to consider is availability. My LBS tried to order a Ripley frame for me and Ibis said it was going to be November before they could deliver it. I had to call around to a few places but Velorangutan had one in stock and gave me a good price on it.

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    Has anyone compared a rascal to a Guerrilla gravity Trail Pistol or Smash? I'd like to get time on one. I would also ask the same for the new Orbea Occam, but I really doubt anyone has tried this one yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12snap View Post
    ..... The pedal strikes on the Rascal were a downer for me, too......
    Both bikes are listed with a BB height of 13.2 - are you saying you don't get pedal strikes with the Ripley? (I understand pedal strikes in earlier versions of the Ripley were an issue for many riders, but I think the BB was even lower.) thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by starre View Post
    Both bikes are listed with a BB height of 13.2 - are you saying you don't get pedal strikes with the Ripley? (I understand pedal strikes in earlier versions of the Ripley were an issue for many riders, but I think the BB was even lower.) thanks!
    I get an occasional pedal strike with the Ripley but they're not nearly as prevalent as they were on the Rascal. I'm running a Pike 140 fork and 175 mm cranks on the Ripley. The Rascal I rode had a Fox 34 and 175 cranks. I think the Rascal just rides a little lower in it's travel. The Rascal was set up by the Revel guys themselves so it was done correctly. If I remember correctly, it was a little on the softer side of the setup range but within acceptable standards. I like a little softer bike so I had them leave it as it was. That could have contributed as well. I've read other reviews of the Rascal that also commented on pedal strikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12snap View Post
    I get an occasional pedal strike with the Ripley but they're not nearly as prevalent as they were on the Rascal. I'm running a Pike 140 fork and 175 mm cranks on the Ripley.....
    Thanks for your input. I think what happened is the 140 fork on the Ripley has bumped up the BB height just a bit from the listed BB for a 130 fork (could you check?) giving you a bit more clearance. The Rascal's BB is listed for a 140 mm fork. I'm looking for 13.5 and up - pedal strikes are very annoying for me climbing uneven terrain.

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    That sounds like the case. Running a 140mm fork will raise the BB enough to make a difference. I had the original LS with a 12.8Ē high BB and pedal strikes were unbearable with a 130mm fork and 175mm cranks. I ended up bumping the fork to 140mm and running the shock sag a touch on the firm side which made a huge difference.

    Anyways in this situation the Rascal would need to run a 150mm fork to be fair comparison to the Ripley at 140mm I think?

    Quote Originally Posted by starre View Post
    Thanks for your input. I think what happened is the 140 fork on the Ripley has bumped up the BB height just a bit from the listed BB for a 130 fork (could you check?) giving you a bit more clearance.

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    Both great bikes, but different enough to suit personal preferences I think.

    I could eliminate most pedal strikes and get a stiffer climbing platform via shock set up, but I think it dulls what I think makes the Rascal suspension characteristics great.

    It used to be Iíd test ride to weed out bikes that didnít ride well, now itís to pick between great and greater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NS-NV View Post
    Both great bikes, but different enough to suit personal preferences I think.

    I could eliminate most pedal strikes and get a stiffer climbing platform via shock set up, but I think it dulls what I think makes the Rascal suspension characteristics great.

    It used to be Iíd test ride to weed out bikes that didnít ride well, now itís to pick between great and greater.
    Pedal strikes is just something i hate. I have long legs(34.5in inseams).
    I switched from 175 to 165 and it is all good.
    IMHO 175 is only for road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    That sounds like the case. Running a 140mm fork will raise the BB enough to make a difference.
    apologies for obsessing over the point - bigdrunk - after getting in a few more rides on that gorgeous Alchemy (same class bike as the Ripley and Rascal), any plans for modifications (shorter cranks, longer fork, etc) or are pedal strikes a non-issue on the ST? thanks!

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    I switched to 170mm cranks for the first time when I built the Alchemy. There have been many situations that I braced myselffor a pedal strike and nothing happens. Not sure if it is the bike, the ever so slightly shorter cranks that make the difference there. After a few rides I am starting to think pedal strikes are not going to be a problem. I got a lot on my Ripley LS and Fugitive LT with 175mm cranks.

    The Alchemy as-is is perfect. Still cannot think of anything remotely negative to say about it. Flawless handling with the 42mm offset Pike Ultimate.


    Quote Originally Posted by starre View Post
    apologies for obsessing over the point - bigdrunk - after getting in a few more rides on that gorgeous Alchemy (same class bike as the Ripley and Rascal), any plans for modifications (shorter cranks, longer fork, etc) or are pedal strikes a non-issue on the ST? thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by starre View Post
    Thanks for your input. I think what happened is the 140 fork on the Ripley has bumped up the BB height just a bit from the listed BB for a 130 fork (could you check?) giving you a bit more clearance. The Rascal's BB is listed for a 140 mm fork. I'm looking for 13.5 and up - pedal strikes are very annoying for me climbing uneven terrain.
    I finally got a chance to measure the BB height on my Ripley. I get 13.5 inches with a Pike 140, Minion DHR 2.4 front and Specialized Ground Control 2.35 in back. The stock 2.6 tires that come on the Ripley would add a bit of height as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starre View Post
    Thanks for your input. I think what happened is the 140 fork on the Ripley has bumped up the BB height just a bit from the listed BB for a 130 fork (could you check?) giving you a bit more clearance. The Rascal's BB is listed for a 140 mm fork. I'm looking for 13.5 and up - pedal strikes are very annoying for me climbing uneven terrain.
    One of the reasons I got rid of my former ďnewĒ bike was pedal strikes. Every ďnew geoĒ bike I rode in the 2017/2018 versions handled, turned and descended way better with longer slacker deal but every one seemed to get pedal strikes on my single track root trails. The fix was over airing the suspension or change your technique. I tried that for a year but didnít enjoy either of those. Most of my trails are constant pedaling and with my older bikes pedal strikes happened but mostly from rider error and they were rare.

    I demo Ripley V4 on my favorite trail (Large and Iím definitely XL) and no pedal strikes on the 3.5 mile lap. Not even one, I even tried to pedal more, nothing stupid just to push the issue. Surprised the $hit out of me as I thought every new geo bike was susceptible to this. Cranks were 175, suspension Fox Factory, tires were Maxxis 2.6. Also felt the ďpoppyĒ description that I read in other reviews. My trails lack elevation that can provide speed for big air so you gotta work the terrain for lift. Bike is pretty easy to launch off small features for me and Iím no expert jumper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12snap View Post
    I finally got a chance to measure the BB height on my Ripley. I get 13.5 inches with a Pike 140, Minion DHR 2.4 front and Specialized Ground Control 2.35 in back. The stock 2.6 tires that come on the Ripley would add a bit of height as well.
    That's interesting because I demo'd a Ripmo that was "supposed" to have a very similar BB height to the SB130 yet the latter was a good half inch lower (same size) so... I'm thinking Ibis is fudging their BB height numbers to make them look lower than actual (more in line with the industry trend). That's great for those looking for rock clearance but I'm not and far prefer the lower BB height which gives a more "in the bike" feel. Ibis bikes are definitely not for me.

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    Would love to get this discussion going again as I am narrowed down to these two bikes. I am based in Richmond, VA. Anybody have time on both bikes and want to provid more input.

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    Did a factory demo of the v4 Ripley on the trails near Ibis headquarters in Santa Cruz. Rode the bike for around 4 hours on some great trails that had lots of ups and downs but nothing as chunky as where I live/ride in Austin, TX. On almost everything going up the bike was very good to excellent. On the faster smoother trails going down it was also very good. As the trail turned less smooth (Roots, ruts and some rocks), the bike was good but not very good or great. In many ways it was very similar to and a slightly better version of my other bike - a Yeti SB4.5C.

    Demoed the Rascal in Salt Lake City. Rode the bike for about an hour and wound up buying one. Been on a couple of dozen rides on my home trails and love the Rascal. It is about 90-95% as good as the Ripley (or my other bike the Yeti SB4.5C) going up and so much fun on everything going down. Fast and flowy or rough and chunky doesnít matter, the bike just goes and if the trail is headed down just let her rip and hold on.

    The geometry of the 3 bikes is a little different but, the differences I actually notice when riding are the longer wheel base of the Ripley and Rascal (stability and forgiveness) Vs the SB4.5 and it is easier to effectively climb while seated with the steeper seat tube angle on the Ripley followed by the Rascal.

    The DW link suspension (Ripley), the Canfield Balanced Formula (Rascal) and the Switch Infinity (SB4.5C) are each very good to excellent in most all circumstances. All of these bikes are very capable and a great deal of fun to ride.

    On days when I just want to have fun and spend as much time going fast downhill I ride the Rascal. When I want to work on climbing and improve Strava times for the climbing segments I ride the SB4.5C.

    I have ridden a bunch of other bikes as well (SB130, SB5,5, Hightower and Hightower V2, Tallboy V4, Troy, Ripmo, Primer, 429 Trail, Trail Pistol) and all were very capable bikes, a great deal of to fun to ride and each excelled in certain conditions. In the end it came down to where I ride all the time and what I enjoy most when riding there. The Rascal is a great fit for my home trails where my typical ride is 10-15 miles with 1,000 to 1,600 cumulative feet of short, steep, rocky climbing and tight switchbacks where you earn the enjoyment of hauling ass back down until the trial turns up again.

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    I rode both the Ripley V4 (I love, love, love the Steel Blue colorway) and the Revel Rascal last week. The Ripley was a Large and belongs to a friend. It's built up with the new 12 speed XTR and a Fox 34. It is 27.5 lbs with pedals. The bike, at least with that build is very snappy and climbs like a dream. I had no problems on our rocky, SoCal terrain. If I didn't ride the Rascal two days later, I'd probably be buying a new Ripley frame to replace my 3 year old Intense Primer.

    Fast forward two days and I took out a Rascal demo from a shop in Orange County. It was built up with a Lyrik set at 140 and the Rock Shox shock. I did a 14 mile loop that I've demo'd the Yeti 130, 140, Ibis Ripmo and now the Rascal. I had my second fastest climb (after the SB130) but I rode the 130 on a cool, 55 degree day which I prefer over the high 70's day I rode the Rascal. Going down, the Rascal torched all my previous top DH times, (1) one mile section by 20 seconds!! Previously, the 27.5 Yeti SB140 was my fastest DH time. The Rascal was faster because that rear suspension is magical. I'm coming off a pimped Ripmo and previously had (2) Yeti's with the Switch Infinity suspension. The Rascal/Canfield Balance suspension smoothed out the chatter, chunder and brake bumps like no other bike I've ever ridden.

    To sum it up, if I could only have ONE bike, I'd get a Rascal. My new HD5 isn't in yet so I'm taking the Rascal out again on trails that everybody else will be on long travel, 160-180mm bikes. If you really need more help, I've read more than one review sum it up this way....if climbing is what you value most, get a Ripley. For everything else, get the Rascal.
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    It was great to come across this thread and the info you all have shared. I've recently demoed a Ripley, Ripmo, TB4, and SB140 but the Rascal has really caught my attention. I still have a few more demos coming up, Process 134 and Sentinel this weekend, Switchblade and 130 the middle of March, and then the Optic at the end of March. I also will have to plan a trip a few hours away in an attempt to demo the Rascal as there are no dealers close by. I'm a one bike person, at least for now, and am leaning at going back to 29 but want to maintain the fun factor of 27.5.
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    Revel all da way

    After all my demo rides, I was between the Ibis Ripley & Revel Rascal. The Rimpo was to much travel for the trails I ride in central colorado rockies. The Ripley is nice climbing but preferred the Revel all around. Certainly better in fast downward riding & especially when things get gnarly and I ride slower and cautious to save my old body, the Revel is amazing. Much more confidence on techy terrain over the Ripley. Younger, stronger guys may prefer the Ripley on the same terrain. Anyway, both are great bikes and you can get Shimano kits on Ibis, not on Revel for now. I'm happy enough with SRAM drive train but 1X12 shimano shifting is nice.

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    Has anyone rode the new Evil Following v3 as a comparison to the Rascal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AF2NR View Post
    It was great to come across this thread and the info you all have shared. I've recently demoed a Ripley, Ripmo, TB4, and SB140 but the Rascal has really caught my attention. I still have a few more demos coming up, Process 134 and Sentinel this weekend, Switchblade and 130 the middle of March, and then the Optic at the end of March. I also will have to plan a trip a few hours away in an attempt to demo the Rascal as there are no dealers close by. I'm a one bike person, at least for now, and am leaning at going back to 29 but want to maintain the fun factor of 27.5.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Twelve View Post
    After all my demo rides, I was between the Ibis Ripley & Revel Rascal. The Rimpo was to much travel for the trails I ride in central colorado rockies. The Ripley is nice climbing but preferred the Revel all around. Certainly better in fast downward riding & especially when things get gnarly and I ride slower and cautious to save my old body, the Revel is amazing. Much more confidence on techy terrain over the Ripley. Younger, stronger guys may prefer the Ripley on the same terrain. Anyway, both are great bikes and you can get Shimano kits on Ibis, not on Revel for now. I'm happy enough with SRAM drive train but 1X12 shimano shifting is nice.
    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I rode both the Ripley V4 (I love, love, love the Steel Blue colorway) and the Revel Rascal last week. The Ripley was a Large and belongs to a friend. It's built up with the new 12 speed XTR and a Fox 34. It is 27.5 lbs with pedals. The bike, at least with that build is very snappy and climbs like a dream. I had no problems on our rocky, SoCal terrain. If I didn't ride the Rascal two days later, I'd probably be buying a new Ripley frame to replace my 3 year old Intense Primer.

    Fast forward two days and I took out a Rascal demo from a shop in Orange County. It was built up with a Lyrik set at 140 and the Rock Shox shock. I did a 14 mile loop that I've demo'd the Yeti 130, 140, Ibis Ripmo and now the Rascal. I had my second fastest climb (after the SB130) but I rode the 130 on a cool, 55 degree day which I prefer over the high 70's day I rode the Rascal. Going down, the Rascal torched all my previous top DH times, (1) one mile section by 20 seconds!! Previously, the 27.5 Yeti SB140 was my fastest DH time. The Rascal was faster because that rear suspension is magical. I'm coming off a pimped Ripmo and previously had (2) Yeti's with the Switch Infinity suspension. The Rascal/Canfield Balance suspension smoothed out the chatter, chunder and brake bumps like no other bike I've ever ridden.

    To sum it up, if I could only have ONE bike, I'd get a Rascal. My new HD5 isn't in yet so I'm taking the Rascal out again on trails that everybody else will be on long travel, 160-180mm bikes. If you really need more help, I've read more than one review sum it up this way....if climbing is what you value most, get a Ripley. For everything else, get the Rascal.
    I am curious to hear from all three of you guys why you liked the Rascal over the Ripmo?

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    ^^^ I'll second that.

    Due to the Coronavirus I haven't been able to demo anything. But based on reviews/recommendations I've received here the three bikes I'm currently most interested in are the Ibis Ripley, the Revel Rascal and the Pivot 429. With the Rascal, I could theoretically drive to Carbondale (about 6.5-7 hrs round trip) to get the bike. Wondering if I bought directly from them, told them to keep the travel case, and saved them the cost of shipping I could get a better deal, in which case it would be substantially cheaper than the Pivot or the Ripley.

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    Well due to the COVID I was unable to demo most of the bikes I had planned to and ended up going with the Ripley. I did go for the Pike at 140 on it to help it in the chunkier stuff, and I've yet to bottom it out front or rear. I have been very happy with it, Friday will be two weeks I've had it and I've already put 130 miles on it! I chose it over the Ripmo due to not wanting a bike that may get me in trouble by making me over confident, plus here you have to pedal up to get down and I've set PR's on almost every trail up and down, flat and flow, since getting it.

    I would HIGHLY recommend contacting Shaun at N+1 Bikes on any Ibis, all he deals with.
    So many trails, so little time.

    21 SJ Expert

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