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    After a long search for a 29 hardtail I built up a Pipedream Moxie. I had not heard of Pipedream until a few months ago and was originally looking at the NS Eccentric and the Chromag Rootdown. After driving myself slightly more crazy going over geometry I ordered a long Moxie Moxie Enduro Hardtail | 27.5/27.5+/29er Compatible . I just completed the 4th ride on it, and have given it a go on a few different types of trail. Enough that I have some solid first impressions.

    I'm 5'9", older, but a pretty solid handler. No KOMs but top 3rd to 10% on a lot of segments. I am definitely a better descender than climber these days, but still hold my own going up. The Moxie is setup 29 with WT DHR/DHF tires, Fox 150mm 34 (10mm longer than the geometry chart), 30mm stem, and a 770mm bar. The bar is higher than the saddle, but is as low as it can go without my shifter hitting the top tube. I could angle it up more but I like my paddles pointed quite far down.

    On the flats this bike pedals and handles very normally. The seat tube is steep but I have always favoured it that way. It's a hardtail so it accelerates quite well.

    Tight and twisty. I thought that a bike this long would have one weakness here so I purposely hit up a couple of our more noodley trails. 180° turns while climbing or descending. Not normally my cup of tea, but still a bit of fun. I got through just as well as with my medium Knolly Endorphin, which is a lot shorter. I made all the corners, enjoyed it, and was surprised and impressed.

    Climbing. The front end stays down easily and does not wander. I don't have to get on the nose as much as I'm used to. The frame is about 6 pounds so it's not ever going to be a weight weanie wonder.

    Descending is about what I was expecting, which is great. Slack HTA, short stem, wide bars, and Minions = ripping. No surprises here. The frame seems pretty forgiving, and on quite a few sections I'm not missing the rear suspension.

    Cornering. If this bike has a strong suit, it is cornering. I have never been on a 29er before so there is a bit of wheel size influencing this. I have lots of experience with these tires in 650b though. First I tried to keep my position neutral and not get my weight to far back. That said, this is the best cornering bike I've ever been on. Bear in mind today was only the 4th time out on the Moxie, but I was railing the corners from the get go. I kept up with a better rider quite easily, and I was no where near the bike's limits.

    Early days, but an impressive frame from a smaller UK maker. For me this forward, or modern geometry just does not have any drawbacks. Well, I haven't tried to put it on my Kuat rack yet, and I think it may be a bit long for it.
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    Glad you are digging the new bike Travis.
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    Sick bike. Glad you like it.

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    I don't need or want sliders, but that looks like a great bike. I'd love to try one.

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    Sweet looking build! How are you finding the rigid rear end and big wheels?

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    I was not looking for sliding dropouts because then single speed is an easy conversion and I am stupid enough to want to try it again. The problem is that I'm a lot older this time. I like the big wheels a lot so far, they feel faster rolling. I have no idea how much. We went to a smoother trail network yesterday and I brought the right gun to that fight. I have taken it down a few rougher trails and while the big wheels and steel frame take out a bit of the sting it gives a good pounding. There was one short section that beats the crap out of me on the Endorphin that felt about the same.

    The front triangle has so much room I think I will shop for a frame bag.
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    Tested mine for the first time today, I'm a speechless for how good it is.
    It's the best climbing bike I ever had

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    (I know, the bottle cage, pump and light are not very #ENDURO, but I need those)

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    Ahhh, can't see the photos. Yes, it does climb well.
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    Okay, I have a question about the sliders. Does this bikes Enduro centric geo lend itself to SS riding?

    I too am 5'9" and older. I too would be tempted to try it SS. But SS'ing seems like a different genre of bike than this, so I'm still confused why they made it this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    Okay, I have a question about the sliders. Does this bikes Enduro centric geo lend itself to SS riding?

    I too am 5'9" and older. I too would be tempted to try it SS. But SS'ing seems like a different genre of bike than this, so I'm still confused why they made it this way.
    You don't have to go SS to use the sliding dropouts. They let you adjust wheelbase/CS length based on tire size and rider preference even when running gears.
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    Also allow for an emergency SS when you destroy your rear derailleur in the middle of nowhere. Been there, done that, so now any form of chain tensioning is a must have on my frames.

    Could you guys confirm if my pics are visible? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Could you guys confirm if my pics are visible? Thanks
    Nope.
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    Thanks, now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Thanks, now?
    Yes. Now I see them.
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    I have a SS cog and will try it out once I get up enough nerve. I don't see why the geometry would preclude it from single speeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    Does this bikes Enduro centric geo lend itself to SS riding?

    SS'ing seems like a different genre of bike than this, so I'm still confused why they made it this way.
    What's different about SSing, more out of the saddle climbing?

    Traditional: https://forums.mtbr.com/attachments/...e_climbing.jpg

    New: https://forums.mtbr.com/attachments/...pb14645450.jpg

    I think if anything the longer front-centre would be better for going up? No doubt it would be better for carrying speed and momentum going downhill when you've exceeded the speed of your gearing.

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    Hi Travis/Zasker,
    Would one of you guys be able to measure your BB height? I'm thinking of pre-ordering ofr the 2nd batch.

    Also, what travel fork is that Zasker?

    Thnnks!

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    312mm with the 150mm 34 and DHR/DHF WT tires.
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    My BB is at 305mm.

    Fork is a 130mm 29" Fox 34. I run it at 16/17% sag, ending at a similar loaded AC to a 20% sag 140mm fork. Might extend it to 140mm in the future, but I like firm forks

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    Great info guys, thanks. I have a new 130mm 34, so that's good to know it can work on the frame.


    Zaskar - is your frame also a 'Long'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyquist View Post
    Great info guys, thanks. I have a new 130mm 34, so that's good to know it can work on the frame.


    Zaskar - is your frame also a 'Long'?

    Mine is a Longer, 510mm reach.

    You can always extend you fork's travel to 140mm

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    Hey guys, congrats on the bikes, they look great. I was checking the geo chart and the front end is clearly on the long side of long, while the chainstays are really short (I understand they are adjustable though).

    Does it feel like you have to consiously weigh the front all the time or does the steep seat tube angle naturally put you in a balanced position?

    Whyte (one of the early adopters of long-low-slack) on their previous generation enduro bike (G-160) had gone very long on the front with 420mm chainstays and they later found that it wasn't ideal. Their newer model, the G-170 is a tad shorter in reach with slightly longer CS to achieve a balanced stance. They did similar changes to their hardtail range, lengthening the chainstays as the heat tube angle got even slacker for '18.

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    @David R - you are probably right, and those images helped.

    I'm now thinking that the longer reach and slacker HTA might make the front of the bike easier to control on steeper climbs.

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    Am I allowed to ask about the ride quality of the frame? The chainstay type makes it seem like it would be a pretty stiff chassis. I'm sure using 27.5+ tires would make that less of an issue, but I'm wondering how it feels with 29er wheels. I'm leaning towards wanting 29x2.6 than anything else. (I know the rear won't fit that though.)

    EDIT: Hmm... I see some of those questions were covered a little in the review mentioned above. Would still like to hear from the owners here though.

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    For the little I have ride, I can't really comment on frame compliance at all.
    Personally, when I go over 2.2 or so tire width and suspension I can't really feel that much of a difference.

    I happen to know from a reliable source that 29x2.6 should indeed fit, as some 27.5x3.0.
    My 2.4 Ardents fit with room

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    Am I allowed to ask about the ride quality of the frame? The chainstay type makes it seem like it would be a pretty stiff chassis. I'm sure using 27.5+ tires would make that less of an issue, but I'm wondering how it feels with 29er wheels. I'm leaning towards wanting 29x2.6 than anything else. (I know the rear won't fit that though.)

    EDIT: Hmm... I see some of those questions were covered a little in the review mentioned above. Would still like to hear from the owners here though.
    It is more compliant than the 98 Kona Explosif and the Mondraker Vantage I had. Those are the only 2 hardtails I've been on since 98. It doesn't feel that bad to me, but I can't compare it to much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justwan naride View Post
    Does it feel like you have to consiously weigh the front all the time or does the steep seat tube angle naturally put you in a balanced position?
    The steep seat tube has nothing to do with it, since my cornering and descending is with the saddle dropped out of the way. Seated pedaling feels normal and for me cornering has been very natural so far. Zero front wheel drama so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Mine is a Longer, 510mm reach.

    You can always extend you fork's travel to 140mm
    How tall are you Zaskar? I'm just under 6ft, and was leaning towards the 'Longer' frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyquist View Post
    How tall are you Zaskar? I'm just under 6ft, and was leaning towards the 'Longer' frame.
    I'm 5'9" on a long and don't think I want more reach. Their sizing puts you on a longer.

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    I tried it single speed today, not sure if I will be able to walk tomorrow. With external cable routing and sliding dropouts it's very easy to go SS and back to geared.
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    I measured the angles at 65° HTA, 75.5° STA.
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    Travis you'll have to take the Moxie here ^^^.
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    I have to double up on the calcium.
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    Looks pretty hardtail friendly for Moab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I measured the angles at 65° HTA, 75.5° STA.
    How did you measure the STA? Is that the effective STA for the top of your dropper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    I know, the bottle cage, pump and light are not very #ENDURO, but I need those)
    Everything, but the light is ENDURO AF! You need water and tools when you #ENDURO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    How did you measure the STA? Is that the effective STA for the top of your dropper?
    Straight line from the centre of the seat post clamp to the centre of the BB. The higher the saddle the slacker the STA will get.
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    Makes sense. Thanks!
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    Wasnt it last year that you tried a mondraker of something like that, decided it was too rough for us old guys and got rid of it? How are you liking the Moxie in comparison?


    Apologies if I have mistaken you for someone else......



    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    After a long search for a 29 hardtail I built up a Pipedream Moxie. I had not heard of Pipedream until a few months ago and was originally looking at the NS Eccentric and the Chromag Rootdown. After driving myself slightly more crazy going over geometry I ordered a long Moxie Moxie Enduro Hardtail | 27.5/27.5+/29er Compatible . I just completed the 4th ride on it, and have given it a go on a few different types of trail. Enough that I have some solid first impressions.

    I'm 5'9", older, but a pretty solid handler. No KOMs but top 3rd to 10% on a lot of segments. I am definitely a better descender than climber these days, but still hold my own going up. The Moxie is setup 29 with WT DHR/DHF tires, Fox 150mm 34 (10mm longer than the geometry chart), 30mm stem, and a 770mm bar. The bar is higher than the saddle, but is as low as it can go without my shifter hitting the top tube. I could angle it up more but I like my paddles pointed quite far down.

    On the flats this bike pedals and handles very normally. The seat tube is steep but I have always favoured it that way. It's a hardtail so it accelerates quite well.

    Tight and twisty. I thought that a bike this long would have one weakness here so I purposely hit up a couple of our more noodley trails. 180° turns while climbing or descending. Not normally my cup of tea, but still a bit of fun. I got through just as well as with my medium Knolly Endorphin, which is a lot shorter. I made all the corners, enjoyed it, and was surprised and impressed.

    Climbing. The front end stays down easily and does not wander. I don't have to get on the nose as much as I'm used to. The frame is about 6 pounds so it's not ever going to be a weight weanie wonder.

    Descending is about what I was expecting, which is great. Slack HTA, short stem, wide bars, and Minions = ripping. No surprises here. The frame seems pretty forgiving, and on quite a few sections I'm not missing the rear suspension.

    Cornering. If this bike has a strong suit, it is cornering. I have never been on a 29er before so there is a bit of wheel size influencing this. I have lots of experience with these tires in 650b though. First I tried to keep my position neutral and not get my weight to far back. That said, this is the best cornering bike I've ever been on. Bear in mind today was only the 4th time out on the Moxie, but I was railing the corners from the get go. I kept up with a better rider quite easily, and I was no where near the bike's limits.

    Early days, but an impressive frame from a smaller UK maker. For me this forward, or modern geometry just does not have any drawbacks. Well, I haven't tried to put it on my Kuat rack yet, and I think it may be a bit long for it.

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    The Moxie is a very comfortable ride, the most comfortable hard tail I've ever been on. That is a short list though, and the first 700c mountain bike for me. The Mondraker needed + tires and they had a Vantage plus.
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    Here are a few quotes from Enduro-Mtb's review that I though might be stretching it. I now concur.

    "the Moxie hammers down the hill with a composure and confidence that is rare in a bike with no rear travel"

    "The narrow 4130 seatstays filter out a lot of trail buz and we often felt like we were riding a super burly short rear-travel machine" This one I agree with sometimes, and at others it feels like a HT.

    From imbikemag.

    "This compliance, however, is also part of the winning combination of the bike, making full use of the characteristics of steel for a comfortable ride"
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    Are you on 29er wheels now or 27+ Travis?
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    1st ride tonight on 2.8 Slaughters.
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    Last night was my first ride on a plus bike. The slaughters only measure 68mm on my 40mm internal rims. Nice profile, wicked traction, and cornering seems good so far. This was a night ride and we had a bit of fresh, grippy snow on the ground. So far the only downside is the lower BB, which looks to be 296mm when measured hastily. I did notice extra cushioning, and with a BB that low I'm looking forward to exploring the cornering limits. Slaughters were $75 CDN at the local S dealer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Last night was my first ride on a plus bike. The slaughters only measure 68mm on my 40mm internal rims. Nice profile, wicked traction, and cornering seems good so far. This was a night ride and we had a bit of fresh, grippy snow on the ground. So far the only downside is the lower BB, which looks to be 296mm when measured hastily. I did notice extra cushioning, and with a BB that low I'm looking forward to exploring the cornering limits. Slaughters were $75 CDN at the local S dealer.
    296mm! Killer and I thought my 313 was low. Have you tried climbing tech at that height Travis?

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    I'm disappointed by the lack of pict updating. And if you run 27.5+ don't you have to change forums? ;-)

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    I'm waiting on a new lens for my phone There was some climbing last night but not techy. I'm sure it is going to be an issue in some places My friend rides a Honzo with normal 27.5 wheels and tires just fine. I could gain some BB height with 3.0 tires but that can wait until perhaps next winter.
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    2nd plus ride and the BB didn't feel too low so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    296mm! Killer and I thought my 313 was low. Have you tried climbing tech at that height Travis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I could gain some BB height with 3.0 tires but that can wait until perhaps next winter.
    So there is room for a 76mm tire in the rear?
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    Yes, but the chainstays may have to be all the way back at 431mm. I am using 175mm cranks because that's what I had and Kona Wah Wah 2 pedals which are large.

    I spun out climbing over a root today because I had gotten my weight forward on the saddle. With the steep STA I don't need to slide forward on the saddle very often, but it's instinctive.
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    Nice. I'd run 29er tires, but if I was going to bother with 27+ for part of the year I'd go full 3"ers.
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    Still rocking the Moxie SS?
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    Just one SS ride so far. My legs need the trails to dry out, a few shots of bourbon wouldn't hurt either. Slush and mud take enough out of my legs for now.
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    Gimme the red pill! Or was it the blue? What’s happens if I take both? If I ride a bike with a 296mm B.B. height can I get an invite to the cave party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    Gimme the red pill! Or was it the blue? What’s happens if I take both? If I ride a bike with a 296mm B.B. height can I get an invite to the cave party?
    If you take both pills you go straight to the cave party VIP lineup. You won't remember anything after that so no point talking about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Just one SS ride so far. My legs need the trails to dry out, a few shots of bourbon wouldn't hurt either. Slush and mud take enough out of my legs for now.
    SS can wait for summer and you can blow the minds of visitors from Victoria.
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    I have been riding 650b+ for a few rides and a couple more PRs fell today. Except on the quite chunky it doesn't give up and speed compared to FS. Chasing and keeping up with a Knolly Warden piloted by my faster buddy today.
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    Oh yea, it climbs like a goat that just stole a purse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I have been riding 650b+ for a few rides and a couple more PRs fell today. Except on the quite chunky it doesn't give up and speed compared to FS. Chasing and keeping up with a Knolly Warden piloted by my faster buddy today.
    Nice.

    Lots of money to be saved if you don't need a FS bike[s] not to mention if you go SS. I'm glad it's working out for you.
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    I am looking for a FS 700c (used to be known as 29er) that is similar now. On some trails there is no substitute for suspension and I rode one of those trails yesterday. The pace was slower and I was keeping up, but the rear tire was on the ground maybe 50% of the time. I am impressed with the Fox 34 GRIP that I picked up. My phone camera is still kaput because the part that came in was defective
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I am looking for a FS 700c (used to be known as 29er) that is similar now. (
    What bikes are on the short list so far?
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    Fugitive is the front runner, but Gravity Guerrilla, and a carbon Smuggler are on my bike radar. I'm in no rush and a few more may appear this spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Fugitive is the front runner, but Gravity Guerrilla, and a carbon Smuggler are on my bike radar. I'm in no rush and a few more may appear this spring.
    The Fug seems right up your alley given your love for your current Knolly bikes. The Smuggler [at least on paper] doesn't have much rear tire clearance, which would be a deal breaker for me.
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    Pole Evolink? Nicolai?

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    I took the Moxie with 650b+ down the road to some flowier trails yesterday. Conditions were perfect, and I had the trails to myself. I PRd a segment even though I'm a bit less fit compared to my previous record. I may have to do some back to back testing between 700c and 650b+. I had assumed that the + tires would be better in the wet winter and "normal" tires better in the dry.

    One negative though. Yesterday was the first time I loaded the Moxie on my Kuat rack, and it is a bit too long. I will rig a strap to hold the rear wheel on because the stock strap isn't quite long enough.
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    Looking forward to some back to back test feedback and pictures too.

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    Meanwhile, I have some hundreds of kms now on the Moxie.

    Two weeks ago was a very fun ride, total 50km, 1000m vertical gain. 15 or 20km each way of flatish path to a local DH track, then climb and descend the 3 DH courses. Clipped a tree and crashed pretty hard at a rock garden.

    Last Sunday we went (unofficially) to a 45km XC race. I slashed the rear tire in the first 10km, big bummer. Then we decided the singletrack was too crowded and went searching for an alternative track. Ended up climbing even bigger hills than the race that felt like EWS tracks and being attacked by 120lb dogs, then my friend bent his Eagle RD.
    A trail/enduro HT is no match to a XC race bike on good to medium terrain, not to extreme step climbs, but you can have fun too.


    Overall, I'm in love. This bike brought me back a love and enthusiasm for MTB I didn't had in years.

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    Sounds like you're really enjoying the bike, regardless of which one is faster are you enjoying the 650+ more than the "regular" 29er tyres, or is it just a matter of horses for courses?

    With the FS 29er would you go for a large Smuggler/Fugitive to get similar sizing to the Moxie?

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    My next FS bike will have geometry similar to the Moxie. I don't know anyone with a XC race bike so keeping up with them is not an issue. Our riding is firmly in the Funduro® zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I don't know anyone with a XC race bike so keeping up with them is not an issue. Our riding is firmly in the Funduro® zone.
    Is being able to run the plus tyres on the FS a consideration, with squish at both ends will you stick with the regular 700c?

    I was surprised at how good the 650b+ tyres felt when I borrowed a friends LaPierre Edge last year (when my Inline failed the day before I left for a weekend in Rotorua) but the frame was way too rigid for my liking. I can see how they could be fun on something like the Moxie though.

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    I had not considered + tires on a FS bike. I think normal 2.4-2.6 tires have plenty of traction and FS doesn't need extra cush. However further testing is required. Good thing testing is fun.
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    Hi,

    What rear disc size does the Moxie frame take, and does it have ISCG 05 tabs? It's not all that clear in their website or in pictures online.

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    It takes a rear 160mm disc minimum.

    Yes, it has the tabs, quite burly

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    I just want to add that this bike may be impossible to Endo. I should have last night, but amazingly I am unscathed
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    Still no picts? (sad face)

    Do you think this bike would work with a 130mm fork?

    Are you still running 27.5+? Got any more feedback about the difference between that and 29er?

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    I am considering phones right now, didn't think I would miss a camera this much. I have been on plus for a while and am loving it. Butchers are measuring 69.5mm so not real big, but fast with extra cush. Super low BB and a planted feel. I'm going to try the 29 some more but if I gad to have only one it would be 650b+ right now. This may be the best hardtail in the world
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    Followed my buddy who rides a Spartan down a rocky section last night and kept up. Bent the needle on my funometer.
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    That awesome. I'm thinking I want a 29er that will take 2.6" tires as my ideal. 130mm is probably enough travel, but I want the new geo like this bike has.

    Please get a new phone damnit!

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    I am running my fork at 150mm and think 130 would lower the BB too much.
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    Maybe so, but if I ran 29x2.6 it would be okay?

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    Yes, I think so. I don't think it'll fit in the rear, but it's out front where you need it.
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    I've run a 130mm 29" for a while, but with a smaller sag to compensate the compressed length. Ended up swapping the air shaft to 140mm which is the recommended 29" length.
    Can't you extend your fork with a different air shaft? That would be the proper fix

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    Phone WITH camera is on the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I am running my fork at 150mm and think 130 would lower the BB too much.
    Hi I'm new on the forum and just ordered a Moxie.
    Was pretty disapointed when I read your post because I bought a Pike 140 for 29 wheels.
    But it's all clear now, the specs to consider is the Fork Length, and not the travel.
    I measured my Pike and it's 550, Moxie specs on the website are done with a 555 fork length. So it's perfect, I can sleep peacefully and wait 2 months for my frame.

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    that thing is raked AF!!
    glad you're digging it... nice build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Phone WITH camera is on the way.
    You need to expedite that shipping Travis!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vandaal View Post
    Hi I'm new on the forum and just ordered a Moxie.
    Was pretty disapointed when I read your post because I bought a Pike 140 for 29 wheels.
    But it's all clear now, the specs to consider is the Fork Length, and not the travel.
    I measured my Pike and it's 550, Moxie specs on the website are done with a 555 fork length. So it's perfect, I can sleep peacefully and wait 2 months for my frame.
    That great, congrats. But 2 months? Damn.

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    Two months, taking the worst case.
    End of batch 2: April
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    I took the Moxie over to the big boy trails yesterday. Steeper, rougher, and crazy fun. I found my limits of hardtail riding in the chunk, and the Moxie is more capable than I had imagined. It made one particular near vertical rock face almost easy. Very confident rolling down steep rocks. With the 650b+ tires, 175mm cranks and huge Kona Wah Wah 2 pedals it is too low for me to pedal chunk without strikes. Next up it's back to 29 wheels. I may get some shorter cranks to try. I also PR'd the pavement/gravel road segment to the trails so I know the 2.8 Butchers are fast.
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    Also had a go at a very technical track last week. Rock, rock and more rock, crazy cramped, step, lots of almost vertical faces.
    This thing really is OTB proof, is unbelievable. Lots of drops have a 90° or worse corner right before and since I suck at wheely dropping I just rolled down the thing. Was absolutely convinced I was going OTB a couple of times, only to roll down the thing without drama

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    Last week I rolled into a steep chute that I have crashed a few times on. With the Moxie I hit a rock with the front tire and assumed I would endo, but nothing happened other than a hard stop. It's about as endo proof as it gets.
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    Mine also ordered, thanks to Travis and zaskar for their input, much appreciated.

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    Back on 700c (29) wheels yesterday and that seemed to raise the BB enough to alleviate the pedal strikes. Trails were dry to tacky and riding was pure magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Back on 700c (29) wheels yesterday and that seemed to raise the BB enough to alleviate the pedal strikes. Trails were dry to tacky and riding was pure magic.
    Travis, give the B+9er a try B+ in the rear. I’ve been running this for a while on my nine with a fast rear tire, freaking loving it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Back on 700c (29) wheels yesterday and that seemed to raise the BB enough to alleviate the pedal strikes. Trails were dry to tacky and riding was pure magic.
    We are talking about a Cumby trip 21 & 22 April. I'd like to see the Moxie in action Travis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    We are talking about a Cumby trip 21 & 22 April. I'd like to see the Moxie in action Travis.
    That would be cool for you since Travis is so behind on photo updates. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    That would be cool for you since Travis is so behind on photo updates. LOL
    I'll get a year's supply of Moxie pics for y'all.
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    So far this is the best we could do.
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    Wet again.
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    Yay, pictures! Looks like you are having fun.

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    Dirty Moxie.
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    Looking good Travis.
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    Nice, that's the way it should be. Got any more feedback on the 29er vs 27.5+ yet?

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    I am not seeing a downside to 27.5+ with the 2.8 Butchers besides the lower BB. The lower BB is a double edged sword, more pedal strikes, but lower COG. I am thinking of installing 165mm cranks for clearance.
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    Good and dirty.


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    Mine now with:
    - XT brakes - more out of vanity than nothing, the BB7s were actually nice brakes
    - 170mm Reverb - the PRO Koryak was short and started developing problems

    Will add a Oneup Bash Guide this week and I'm done with it.
    Might try a -2º angleset in the future just to play a bit and maybe one of those new Marzocchi Z1 Bombers by the end of the year if the reviews turn up to be good.


    Had another "OH [email protected]" moment today where the Moxies' length saved the day. Was riding a technical trail and got a line wrong, causing me to arrive to a 80cm or more drop at stall speed. Decided to commit and try to roll it. Don't know how, but managed to clear it.
    One thing is certain, will never have another bike with a <800mm front center
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    I agree, the length will save your ass on occasion.
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    That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about

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    Which tyre size do you think is better for my situation? 27.5*2.6 or 2.8?
    I have to ride about 7 miles tarmac that include some steep climb to the local trail. And the tyre I'm aiming is Maxxis Rekon.

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    I'd go with a 29 tyre

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    I'd go with a 29 tyre
    Thanks for the suggestion!
    Does 29er feels harder to throwing around on this bike?
    And does 29er feels bumpier on rocky sections or not?
    Btw, I'm 5"10.
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    I have 29 Maxxis WT DHR/DHF and 27.5+ 2.8 Specialized Butchers. So far I prefer the plus wheels. Even on the road they are not slow and they do have more cushioning so I get less beat up. The BB is pretty low which cuts both ways. I saw a Chromag Rootdown the other day with 3.0 High Rollers which will raise the BB and I may try some bigger rubber next winter.
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    Have the beating up problem on my 26" AM hardtail, too. It sounds like I will go plus tires for the build. You have a great opinion for me!
    Btw, you might have to check the dimensions of 3.0 High Rollers and the frame. The website says the maximum size of tire the Moxie can take is 2.8 for 27.5 wheel. And I think the reason of the limit is for mud clearance. If you are riding in muddy area, 3.0 tires might cause you some problems.

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    I am still buzzing from last night's ride. I summerized the Moxie with a 2.35 Rock Razor rear to go with the 2.5 DHF now that it's dry here. Grippy, fast, and so much fun. On my favourite trail I pulled away from my crew who were all on 27.5 FS bikes and came within a few seconds of my PR. The Moxie is not just great for a HT, but will hang with the likes of 134s, Troys, and Spartans. Enduro hard tail may sound like marketing BS, but the Moxie is the real deal. I am liking the cheap Fox Grip 34, but may try a reduced offset 36 class fork in the future.
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    That's awesome. How is the 29'er setup in the rough and bumpy though compared to FS?

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    It seemed pretty smooth last night, not much different from my Endorphin, but we didn't hit the really rough trail. The Rock Razor has quite a bit of volume and probably helped.
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    Time to sell the FS bike Travis.
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    You bringing that bad boy out this weekend Travis? I look forward to seeing it for reals!

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    I'm patiently waiting for the second batch to arrive in the states. I'm initially going to build with a 160mm 27.5 Pike I have lying around, but who's got the longest 29er fork on their Moxie, and how does it feel?

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    I have a 150mm 34 29 fork and think 160mm would be pretty good too. I will definitely be spending more time on my winter hardtail this summer.
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    So Travis, what’s the biggest 29er tire that’ll fit with mudvroom?

    Did you get the long or the longer?

    470 seems short, my Large Full Stache is 484. An I missing something?

    What hardtail did you ride before?

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    My 2.35 Rock Razor has 5mm clearance on both sides.

    5'9" on a long.

    I had a Mondraker Vantage HT frame and the aluminum was pretty stiff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I have a 150mm 34 29 fork
    Is that a thing? I though they only went to up to 140mm for 29".

    I'm ditching my 140mm 34, just ordered a 150mm Yari and a -1° angleset.

    The damper and air spring on the 34 are great, but I feel that the chassis is not up to the job. The thing folds itself down on very step trails and I get some brake shudder from it flexing harmonically.

    The Moxie just asks for a full on enduro chassis fork

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    Mine is a take off from a Scott. Seems stiff enough, similar to a Pike.
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    Very tempted by these.
    Can I ask what your full builds weigh, and what the frame weight was?
    My main concern is, how playful is it? I'm worried that the slack HA, Steep SA and low BB means that manualing and kicking the back out is more difficult. 'Playful-ness' is really important to me.
    Any feedback would be awesome, cheers all

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    I have not weighed the frame or full bike. I can say that that the front end comes up when I want, no problem popping off small features, and it does small drops just fine.
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    I rode with Travis this weekend. I did fail the MTBR-Collective and forgot to get any action shots of him riding.

    I can tell you he was schooling us all on our FS bikes and he definitely went full enduro on it. The Moxie is a sweet ride.

    I'm 5'11" and with my usual setup [1" setback dropper and 50mm stem] I'd fit a "long" just fine.
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    After 2 amazing days on the Moxie 29er and now 1 great day on my Endorphin I'm sold on the big hoops for summer riding.
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    Pictures. Don't you have a new phone or camera by now? ;-)

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    I don't take a lot of photos. New phone and my "riding" case has a hinged lense cover so I don't bust it again.
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    Pipedream Moxie

    Thanks for letting me swing a leg over you Moxie Travis. Your bike is dialled, was comfortable right away. Even with that tiny stem it felt a touch long for me (though possible I could get used to being a bit more stretched out) sitting down but standing felt great, it was nice to have all that room in the cockpit. What length crank arms do you have on there?

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    I figured it might be too long for you because it's a pretty lonnnng bike. I have 175s from previous build and they are OK with 29 wheels, but I need shorter with 27.5+. I'll have to look into that before next wet season.

    It was a great weekend and I ended up with over 2km of vertical (1.4 on the Moxie), with a greatest hits list of local descents.
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    That bike is awesome! Congrats.

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    My Moxie has been shipped from the factory, so should be with me early next week. Still awaiting parts for my wheel build too.

    I'll weigh the frame once I have it, but Pipedream quote 2600g for the bare frame and 2800g with drop outs, axle, hose clips etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I figured it might be too long for you because it's a pretty lonnnng bike. I have 175s from previous build and they are OK with 29 wheels, but I need shorter with 27.5+. I'll have to look into that before next wet season.

    It was a great weekend and I ended up with over 2km of vertical (1.4 on the Moxie), with a greatest hits list of local descents.
    One of the best riding trips to Cumby ever. UROC is truly doing some outstanding work up there. You folks should be really proud. We are members of the club buy lots of their swag and generally only ride there once a year it’s that good. I think well need to get up there more often. We keep eyeing property up there and just keeps getting more expensive

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    Anyone in the US gotten their frame shipped yet from the 2nd batch? Alan told me "in a matter of days" for my California shipment

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    Not in the US, but mine is being delivered tomorrow

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    Last night I rode the 27.5+ Butchers because my 29 Rock Razor has a leak at the bead. I PRd a rough DH track that I had previously set on my Warden. Beyond blown away at this old man/bike combo.
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    You can't keep saying things like this about hardtails Travis, really, against your FS.

    It's making me want one. Looks super fun mate, nice bike. Props!

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    Travis sell the FS it's just like throwing an anchor out behind you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    You can't keep saying things like this about hardtails Travis, really, against your FS.

    It's making me want one. Looks super fun mate, nice bike. Props!
    Me too, but I have this sneaking suspicion I might not be as fast on the Moxie as Travis is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Last night I rode the 27.5+ Butchers because my 29 Rock Razor has a leak at the bead. I PRd a rough DH track that I had previously set on my Warden. Beyond blown away at this old man/bike combo.
    The local shop still building the demo bike and I want to try out the geometry first.
    Travis just keep telling us it's a no brainer choice to have a Moxie.
    Every replies from him make me almost lose my mind.

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    I tried 27.5 + rear, 29 2.5 front last night. Wasn't as fast, might have just been me. Next FS bike will be 29 with similar geometry to the Moxie. I am trying to get my shop to bring in a demo Rootdown. I see a micro resurgence happening for hard tails

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I am trying to get my shop to bring in a demo Rootdown.
    The Rootdown uses a PF BB if that matters to you. Kind of surprised me.
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    Threaded is better, but I installed a Wheels Manufacturing PF BB that threaded the 2 sides together. It seems like a good solution, however I'm glad my BB is threaded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Threaded is better, but I installed a Wheels Manufacturing PF BB that threaded the 2 sides together. It seems like a good solution, however I'm glad my BB is threaded.
    I looked at that BB, but $100USD and a bunch or weight complexity to solve a problem a lot of frames don't have seems like it's not worth it. Luckily there are lots of great HT frames with threaded BBs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Drooling 🤤

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    You are worth it Travis. Buy Ti and new underpants.
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    LOL. Swipe the card😂.

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    Oh sweet jesus. That is one gorgeous bike!!!

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    Asked my boss at the LBS for a bump to $50/hr so I can get the titanium, unbelievably he would not go for it, so no Ti Moxie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Asked my boss at the LBS for a bump to $50/hr so I can get the titanium, unbelievably he would not go for it, so no Ti Moxie.
    Some people are so unreasonable.
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    I just got home from a ride that included our local DH course. It's a little out of my comfort zone but was completed with only a little drama, when I snagged my toe on a rock in a tight, steep section. The Moxie continues to amaze me.
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    Can anyone chime in relating to the Moxie frame weights? Also, has anyone residing in the United States purchased a moxie frame, how much was shipping?

    Lastly, how is the paint, weld and overall fabrication quality of the frames?

    Many thanks,

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    I have not weighed the frame or full bike. I can say that that the front end comes up when I want, no problem popping off small features, and it does small drops just fine.

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    The frame quality is top notch, easily above any other steel frame I ever had.
    Had several Surlys and a couple of Singulars before

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    Painted Longer frame with all fittings and axle = 2850g.

    Frame is made by Ora, one of the best steel frame manufacturers. Paint is good with clear coat over the stickers. Paint just a little thin behind the HT at the TT/DT junction.
    BB threads nice and smooth, seat tube ID reamed accurately.

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    My teal Long weighed 6.25lbs with the axle.

    BTW, is it normal for the frame to come without a seat collar?

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    Some brands supply collars with frames, many don't though.

    The Funn seat collar was an optional extra, along with headset and fork.

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    My paint looks good and seems durable. The welds look good, and it hasn't broken in the 800+ km so far. I PR'd another trail that has been in our local enduro race last night, and this bike draws more attention than the latest fancy carbon wonder bikes do.
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    How long is your dropper, Travis?
    Haven't built up my moxie yet. I'm 5ft10 and thinking about going 170mm for the dropper. Would it be too much?

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    160mm Revive and I could probably fit a 185.

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    Thanks for the answer! Now I have to find out which the is best deal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Cheng View Post
    Thanks for the answer! Now I have to find out which the is best deal!
    I think the Revive has the lowest stack height of any dropper. I'm also running a 160mm Revive with a 31" inseam and I have maybe 15-20mm insertion left. Just know that some other droppers can have a much taller stack height to start, so if your inseam is similar, a 170mm may be too tall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaks View Post
    I think the Revive has the lowest stack height of any dropper. I'm also running a 160mm Revive with a 31" inseam and I have maybe 15-20mm insertion left. Just know that some other droppers can have a much taller stack height to start, so if your inseam is similar, a 170mm may be too tall.
    Thanks for your information. Helps a lot!
    I have a 32" inseam and I will be running a 170mm crankset. According to the information from this website:
    http://sp00n.net/bike/seatposts/
    BrandX ascend XL looks pretty good for my requirements.
    Btw, the man who made this dropper sheet is a damn genius. Make choosing a dropper lot easier. I suggest you guys add it to your bookmark!

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    Also I found out the stackheight of OneUp's new 170mm dropper is only 5mm longer than the 160mm Revive. And it looks really good.

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    PR's set on my Warden continue to fall on the Moxie, a few anyway.

    I installed a Oneup post on a bike at work and was impressed by the smooth action, not as nice as the Revive, but much less $$. Most posts just make me sad for the owner.
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    Hi,
    I see that everybody loves the moxie and I´m considering to buy the frame in the longer size (I´m 188 cm), but I´m not sure because of the tire clearance at the bottom bracket. So I have some questions:
    What do you think, would a Maxxis DHR II 29x2.4 WT or a Schwalbe Hans Dampf 29x2.35 on a 30 mm IW rim and a Maxxis DHR II 27.5x2.8 on a 45 mm IW fit in the frame with enough clearance?
    Would it only fit in the longest setting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisel View Post
    Hi,
    I see that everybody loves the moxie and I´m considering to buy the frame in the longer size (I´m 188 cm), but I´m not sure because of the tire clearance at the bottom bracket. So I have some questions:
    What do you think, would a Maxxis DHR II 29x2.4 WT or a Schwalbe Hans Dampf 29x2.35 on a 30 mm IW rim and a Maxxis DHR II 27.5x2.8 on a 45 mm IW fit in the frame with enough clearance?
    Would it only fit in the longest setting?
    I have a DHR 2 2.4 WT ON the rear and had a 2.35 Rock Razor on 31mm internal rims with plenty of room. I tried the shortest chainstay and it worked. My other wheels are 40mm internal with 2.8 Butchers with enough room as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I have a DHR 2 2.4 WT ON the rear and had a 2.35 Rock Razor on 31mm internal rims with plenty of room. I tried the shortest chainstay and it worked. My other wheels are 40mm internal with 2.8 Butchers with enough room as well.

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    This is interesting...
    2.35 rock razor on 30mm iw DT rim.
    Rubs in shortest position, and only ~4mm clearance in longest position.
    I don't have a 2.8 to try, but can't see how that could work in any position other than longest. Will have to get in touch with Alan, because this doesn't seem right when Travis's batch 1 frame can run both sizes in all stay lengths.

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    IIRC the 2.8 Butchers he's running are 27.5".

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    Yeah I realise that, but the shape of the chainstay means that there isn't much more clearance available even with the slightly smaller od of b+.

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    The tire size limitation is definitely at the chainstays, not the seatstays. As a matter of fact, that's my only little complaint about this frame. The chainstays have way more clearance than necessary for the chainring, which takes space away from the rear tire.

    On mine, I'm currently running a 29x2.3 DHRII and would say 29x2.4WT is the max you could fit - at the longest chainstay configuration (with not much clearance left). No way you could do that in the shortest chainstay configuration. You could probably fit 27.5x2.8 easily in the longest chainstay position, but I don't know about the shortest chainstay position, based on what I see with my 27.5x2.6 tire.

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    Thank you for the relies!

    But hm, that´s difficult! Are different versions of the Moxie out there?
    Travis´s Moxie has plenty of room and Nyquist´s is very tight at the chainstays.

    Another issue is maybe the BB drop. Is it possible to run the Moxie with 175 mm cranks? Or did you use 170 mm or 165 mm cranks?

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    Here are a couple of photos. 2.4 DHR 2 WT, 430mm CS.

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    I have gone full dorkduro. This medium Blackburn Outpost frame bag will carry a bladder and rain jacket, or any combo of handy things. Tried it yesterday with 2 large water bottles and never noticed it while riding. I doesn't look cool, but I make up for it with my awesomeness .

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    Forgot the photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Here are a couple of photos. 2.4 DHR 2 WT, 430mm CS.
    Thanks Travis, would be interested in seeing a pic of that tyre in the short setting when you get a chance.
    I've just ordered a 2.3 DHR2 for better clearance in the winter clay mud around here.
    A little disappointing when I could drive a bus in the gap between the ring and chainstay, seems a bit of an oversight.
    Otherwise frame is awesome. 305mm BB height with 130mm fox 34 and 2degree angleset.

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    Hey Travis, thanks for the pics!
    I wouldn´t hesitate to order the frame, when the chainstays were 5 to 10 mm longer.
    That would be perfect, also for the balance of the bike.
    The sliders don´t make sense, when everybody rides in the longest position because of the tire clearance.
    I have requested a custom/tailor made frame (aluminum and steel) with a similar geometry here in Germany but with longer chainstays, less BB drop, longer seat tube and 160 mm fork travel.
    The price is nearly 1.5x (aluminum) or 2x (steel) as high as the moxie.

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    Why would you want a higher bb and longer seat-tube? Actually, putting a slightly longer fork on a Moxie would basically give you a higher bb so it would solve two of your asks while only slacking out the bike less than a degree. I think tire clearance can be resolved by fine-tuning the chainstay shape rather than making them longer. Who's really going to run a bigger than 30t chainring on this frame anyway?

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    @Jaks: Longer seat tube for more seat post options and a higher bb so that 175 mm cranks are possible.
    I´m 1,88 m, so a 470 mm seat tube and 175 mm cranks would be perfect.
    On the Pipedream HP is the max. fork length 555 mm, i. e. a Yari 160 mm has 571 mm.

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    Mounted the 2.3 dhr2, next to zero clearance in the short setting, and very close to the chainstay bridge too. Shame, as it could easily have had masses of clearance.
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    I'm building up a Moxie at the moment,
    Just gathering the last parts I need to finish up, it will be running 160mm fork 650B wheels with 2.6" tyres..
    Will post up some pics when complete
    I do try..!!

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    29, 2.4 DHR 2 WT at shortest chainstay. I found this length too short with 27.5+.

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    I've tried that already. Works great! For rougher trails, the 27.5x2.6 tire definitely makes the bike more comfortable than 29x2.3.

    I've also tried 29x2.3 w/ 140mm fork in the front and 27.5x2.6 in the back. That also works well. The bike handles great no matter what you do to it

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    The bike might not have the best clearance in all setup configurations, but it definitely is one of the most versatile bikes I know of, wheel size, forks and even single speed..
    All from one bike frame...!!
    I do try..!!

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    I have given up my Endorphin and FS until my Fugitive arrives because I enjoy this bike so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I have given up my Endorphin and FS until my Fugitive arrives because I enjoy this bike so much.
    When is the Fug going to land?
    Safe riding,

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    To quote "soon". Hoping to ride it mid August 🤞

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    Few washed out pics from the neighborhood ride to get everything dialled in. Build is a a mixture of new and parts bin components.

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    I have been riding the Moxie exclusively so fat this spring and summer, in both 27.5+ and 29 configurations. Today I took 29 Moxie to a trail network where more travel = more better. Aside from a few confidence glitches on a couple of climby bits I managed to keep up with my fast friend on his Warden. The Pipedream's DH capability is impressing the hell out of me, and I can not recommend it enough for those looking for a killer hard tail. My 2019 Lyrik arrived today and I plan to install it tomorrow and will give it a thrashing on Sunday.
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    Now that I have a bit of time on the 140mm 42mm offset RC2 Lyrik I have formed an opinion. First, the new RC2 is great. Smoothes out small bumps, doesn't blow through travel, and yet does absorb big impacts very well. Two previously sprained thumbs up. I can feel that the reduced offset has brought the front axle closer and the front wheel is more planted in the corners. This is not a huge effect, but noticeable. I don't see any negatives with the reduced offset so I am recommending it.
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    Been looking hard at this frame lately, and was just wondering how you guys think that it pedals on flat section of trails. I live in Florida, so punchy climbs and drops with a bunch of flat in between. My go to bike is a SS Gen2 Nimble 9 and I love it. My Troy just collects dust now and for the past 2 years. Been wanting to build up a geared bike just to switch it up AND to be able to keep up with my buddies who ride light fs trail bikes on the XC sections. Any input would help.

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    Mine with a 140mm Lyrik is a good all rounder but we don't have a lot of flat trails. I keep up with my buddies on Troys just fine and I would put the Moxie in the same class.
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    Just ordered a Longer in pink. It’ll replace a Santa Cruz Chameleon size XL and possibly a Kona Process CR size XL. Looking forward to riding steel again.

    A little concerned about dropper over all length and saddle height. I’m 775mm from bb center to top of saddle; looks like a OneUp 200mm is long enough and would still have enough inserted in the seat tube. Any experience with this from you fine gents? Thanks.


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