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    Can anyone give me some sizing advise, I'm 6', all my bikes have always been a large... Will a Longer be ok? I'm planning to run a 140mm Pike, 170mm cranks and possibly 29x2.5" front 27.5x2.8" rear for some cush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happybiker View Post
    Can anyone give me some sizing advise, I'm 6', all my bikes have always been a large... Will a Longer be ok? I'm planning to run a 140mm Pike, 170mm cranks and possibly 29x2.5" front 27.5x2.8" rear for some cush.
    I'm 5'9" on a long with a 30mm stem (could go 35mm) and it fits great. If I were 6' I would definitely go longer. I don't know what your other bikes were, but they are probably short in comparison to the Moxie. IME once you go long and finally get enough reach, you won't want to go back to a shorter bike.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Thanks, that's what I was thinking. Current and past bikes are all short... 2016 Stumpjumper 29, 2015 RM Element, Titus Fireline, Stooge, Yeti SB95...

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    the wait on this thing is killing me. placed an order for a Long Teal one month ago. should be sometime in Movember. Anyone know why they are not avail in teal anymore?

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    Teal is very unpopular. Haven't you heard of anti tealing activists, you know, "save the teals"
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    hahaha. right on, teal i ssold out i just was told in an email from Alan...

    I do have a question to add:

    I really like the extra grip of the minion dhr2. Any reason not to go with a 2.6 minion dhrII front and pair it with a 2.8 in the rear for more cushion? cons I could think of are that it would pedal slower? but have more comfort? oh, and a little more wallow in the back end. ( the one thing i dont like about plus tires)

    I know i could just try it, but wondering what the general idea is.?

    Anyway, this isnt a normal mtb setup i know, but it just makes more sense on a hardtail.
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    I tried a 27.5 2.8 Butcher rear and 29 2.5 DHF front on one ride. It felt weird so now I either 29 or 27.5+
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    Won’t hurt to try 27.5 2.6” front with 27.5 2.8” rear. If it sux we can put the 2.8 up front or on another ride

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    How does the fit on your Fugitive compare to the Moxie Travis?

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    I think that could be a good idea. I'm currently on 2.6 DHF front, 2.6 Forekaster rear. Running a 27.5 fork at 160mm.

    When the Forekaster wears out, I'm going to try a 2.8 in the rear for a little more cushion.

    Also going to move to a 29er fork when the current one craps out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
    How does the fit on your Fugitive compare to the Moxie Travis?
    The Moxie has a touch more reach than the Fugitive, but they feel close enough.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    sampled a fugitive this past week and was pretty impressed, nice ride.
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    The Moxie and Fugitive are a great pair, I am in Mountain Bike Heaven.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    So, have you ever even driven a taxi, Travis?

    Because I have.

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    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    I just swapped my Syntace Megaforce 30mm stem and RF 10mm rise SIXC bar for a Renthal 33mm and RF Next R 10mm rise 35mm diameter bar. The Syntace is a great stem, but very tight on the steerer tube which made it tricky to adjust the headset with my OneUp EDC top cap. I installed the Renthal stem with positive rise, slammed. I am now a bit more stretched out and lower for the full XC race feel. The shift lever will contact the top tube so I layered some clear plastic wrap to protect the paint in the unlikely event of a crash.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    We Are One Agent DT350 29 wheels ordered for the Moxie. I will be shopping for a tire insert at least on the rear.
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    Nice set of wheels! you must really like the moxie: )

    I've got this long mega hardtail in the stand right now. the build process has begun really pumped.

    should go nicely with a TR sentinel
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    I have a new Knolly Fugitive and the Moxie isn't any slower on many trails .
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Pipedream Moxie-ee6b22ec-ad14-44f5-bd0f-f7b4c4be2cc6.jpg

    Can’t wait, Moxie frame is in. Will be built up by next weekend. Waiting on Woeks Components angleset.

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    Gah if only I could decide between long and longer! I'm 181 with 179 wingspan and I ride Large birm am9. 500 reach with 655 effective tt, hi cockpit and 32mm stem

    any thoughts my dudes?

    hmm kind of drawn into the longer..
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    Bike_futurist,
    I currently ride a L Aeris AM9 and my previous bike was a Longer Moxie. I'm 184cm tall, 195 wingspan (I know... Donkey Kong).

    Definitely go for the longer Moxie:
    - you need all the wheelbase you can get on a hardtail
    - the extreme geometry is what sets the Moxie apart, so why don't go "full Moxie"?

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    yeh ur right. Yesterday evening I googled the geometries of all the HT's ive ridden recently and definitely going longer

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    BTW, what travel fork do you have on the AM9?
    Looks more than 150mm

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    150mm yari with acs3

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    My Moxie with We Are One Agents on DT 350. Trying singlespeed again, don't laugh at my gearing.

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    Here she is. Cushcore. 2.8” plus and 1.5 degree works components angleset. 32 lbs 10oz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedell99 View Post
    Here she is. Cushcore. 2.8” plus and 1.5 degree works components angleset. 32 lbs 10oz.

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    Nice! Exactly how I’m going I set mine up. What length is your fork?
    I’m thinking about bumping the fox to 160 to offset the 1.5 degrees of extra slack and keep the bb from getting too low.

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    My fork is a 160mm 27/27+ fox 36. Bike is a size Long. The bottom bracket is ~11.5” and I’m set up with 170mm cranks.

    If you want any measurements or pics. More than happy to help.
    Erik

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedell99 View Post
    My fork is a 160mm 27/27+ fox 36. Bike is a size Long. The bottom bracket is ~11.5” and I’m set up with 170mm cranks.

    If you want any measurements or pics. More than happy to help.
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    Thanks. Sounds perfect
    Mine should be here next week. Super stoked for this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedell99 View Post
    My fork is a 160mm 27/27+ fox 36. Bike is a size Long. The bottom bracket is ~11.5” and I’m set up with 170mm cranks.

    If you want any measurements or pics. More than happy to help.
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    A slacked out Moxie, amazing!
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    Mine was just shipped out YEAH

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    what kind of tyre clearance are we looking at with something say 29 i30 rim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike_futurist View Post
    what kind of tyre clearance are we looking at with something say 29 i30 rim?
    I run my dropouts all the way back, or close to it when single-speed and have room for 2.35 Scwalbes or 2.4 Maxxis DHR2 (smaller than Scwalbe). 2.5 Maxxis will be ok, but I haven't tried anything bigger. With 27.5 3.0 will fit, but again I haven't tried bigger. I would like a bit more clearance, but am perfectly happy with the 2.35 Hans Damph 2. 29 2.6 tires are gonna be out, unless they are from the big S, which are undersized.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Just finished my Moxie, all that’s left is to run the dropper cable. I’m looking forward to riding it over the next few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleanutz View Post
    Just finished my Moxie, all that’s left is to run the dropper cable. I’m looking forward to riding it over the next few days.
    That looks great. What's your spec.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Pipedream Moxie

    Longer frame
    Cane Creek Helm Air 140mm
    Shimano XT cranks 32, cassette
    One Up 170mm dropper
    Syntace 30mm stem, Niner carbon 785mm bar

    Just finished first ride, was more XC than technical but bike rode wonderfully. Steel is noticeably more comfortable than my last aluminum frame. Weight is also hard to ignore but not a deal breaker. Quite happy with it.


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    Just curious what aluminum frame you were riding previously.
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    Had an XL Santa Cruz Chameleon. Pretty harsh.


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    Keep in mind that perceived harshness difference might also be related to the very different geometries. The longer slacker geo of the Moxie calms down the whole thing a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    Okay, I have a question about the sliders. Does this bikes Enduro centric geo lend itself to SS riding?

    I too am 5'9" and older. I too would be tempted to try it SS. But SS'ing seems like a different genre of bike than this, so I'm still confused why they made it this way.
    Hi,

    sorry if this has been answered already, but i only now stumbled upon this thread. I don't have a Moxie, but a 2013 Kona Honzo (steel), which also has sliding dropouts. The geo is also "modern" but not as extreme as the Moxies's, with 415-435mm chainstays, 416mm reach and 68° HA. I ride it single speed since late 2017, and it works very well. I ride flat pedals and am using an oval 34T chainring with a 21T cog, which turned out to be a good gearing for the terrain I ride. Drew Major from nsmb has written a nice piece on the combination of flat pedals, oval rings and single speed hardtails: https://nsmb.com/articles/flat-pedal-facts/

    I ride it with 29" 2.3 minions f/high rollers r (against the recommended rotation direction) fwiw:

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    Echoing others on this thread, I really appreciate the sliding dropouts, not only for single speeding, but also for adjusting the geo when riding geared.

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    I have set mine up single-speed and I'm not sure what kind of advantage shorter-steeper geometry could have. It handles identically geared or single, and that is great.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Need some sizing advice. Thanks in advance. I’m 5’10.5” with a +2 ape index and a 32 inseam. Have a medium Pedalhead which fits fine but maybe a little small with a 50mm stem. The Moxie long size has the same TT and a longer reach. I tend to climb seated and could go a little longer in the TT on the Pedalhead but the jump to the Longer Moxie is 39mm which makes me nervous. Any suggestions? Thanks!

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    Go for the longer

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    I think you could go either way depending on your desired stem length. I would email Allen at Pipedream and ask him.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I think you could go either way depending on your desired stem length. I would email Allen at Pipedream and ask him.
    Good call thank.

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    Mine arrived. The pink is absolutely charmingly eye burning :-)

    It looks more compact than I feared ;-) how long is the actual tt on the longer model (just to be sure)?

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    Wooly mang do NOT go for the longer. I'm a chap with 33" inseam, 5'10 also plenty long arms. the long is long enough. running a 35mm stem on mine and my seat is scrunched all da way fwd. just last ride i only had 3-4mm of rail left on the saddle and my front end is lifting up from the length. all the way fwd feels really good.

    on another note. this bike is for sure a ripper. have mine set up with 27.5 plus 2.8/2.6 DHR's. very happy w the ride quality of this frame. blows my old chromag stylus clearly out of the water. no comparison. this bike is smooth and surprisingly damped. I dont even want to grab the sentinel or even the brand new rallon that is sitting in the garage : 0

    one more note the tire clearance w/ 29er/30mm inners is pretty bad.
    2.35 e13's with 1 maybe 2mm of clearance on each side. There should be a little more adjustability imo. boggy day rubbin for sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAHEEB View Post
    Wooly mang do NOT go for the longer.
    Thanks!

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    tried a set of heavy 29er wheels on the ride today. think i prefer the cush of plus tires.
    29er was blazing fast but feeling it more walking which is not a good thing. Might try kentucky waterfall...bizness up front party in the back.
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    Does anyone know if the published Moxie geometry is with sag or not? Especially the head tube/seat tube angles

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    Static, no sag

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleanutz View Post
    Had an XL Santa Cruz Chameleon. Pretty harsh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebeat007 View Post
    How are you finding the Moxie geo in comparison to the Chameleon?
    So far I prefer the Moxie geo.

    Descending it feels more confident, aided by the additional 20mm of travel, but also due to something else that I’ll chalk up to the geometry. Maybe because my chainstays on the Moxie are set up longer than those of the Chameleon it feels better descending? Dunno.

    I rode the Chameleon with the exact same tires and wheels and the Moxie is more comfy for sure. Don’t really know why, and don’t think frame material makes that much of a difference. Again, chalk it up to geometry. Perhaps the shorter seat tube allows more post flex, but both used a dropper, thus not specifically engineered to flex I assume.

    Could be BB drop or something else, I didn’t compare them. But overall quite happy with the frame switch.


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    Cool. I ride a 2018 Honzo now, which I love, but I have been thinking about the Moxie. My only concern is the long wheel base with the super tight North East trails I ride.
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    Other people can chime in, but super tight NE tech is the one place where I wouldn't recommend the Moxie. BB is too low and overall frame too long for that stuff. I think the Moxie is great anyplace where you can get a little speed and even techy rocks as long as you don't have to make many near-stall turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebeat007 View Post
    Cool. I ride a 2018 Honzo now, which I love, but I have been thinking about the Moxie. My only concern is the long wheel base with the super tight North East trails I ride.
    My recommendation is to move.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    My recommendation is to move.
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