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    PICS - 2011 Giant Anthem X FS

    So, this bike caught my eye after Carl Decker won the AM Championship riding one at Downieville. Now they're out and, with good prices and component specs, I see them becoming quite popular.

    Prices and some specs - http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-US/....1/7508/44088/

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    those do look nice!

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    They do look nice and they are priced well, however I'm already hearing complaints about the BB height being too low and getting pedal strikes.

    Not bashing, just was hoping they wouldn't have any issues.
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    Definitely good to know. Can't wait to start hearing some ride reports.

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    Interested in the X1 but some issues concern me.

    - Low bottom bracket height. Anything less than 12.3" is a deal breaker. That's my Razzo BB height and banging the bashguard going over logs gets old fast.

    - Anthem frame weight.

    - Chainstay length. Been reading it's quite long but haven't confirmed yet.

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    wheres the geometry for this bike? the giant website is useless..
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    anyone know of a shop in So. Cal that has them in stock? thanks!

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    Here is some of the geometry, no BB height listed though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky
    Here is some of the geometry, no BB height listed though.

    thanks I had an Anthem 1 back in the day and i miss that bike, however 18.2 cs
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    Yup disappointing CS length.

    I was looking forward to this bike, but 18.2 is almost as long as the Sultan's

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    It'd be great for endurance racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uknathank
    anyone know of a shop in So. Cal that has them in stock? thanks!
    Newbury Park Bicycles in Newbury Park. Ask for Ben Cox 805-498-7714

    I believe they just received a dozen or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Interested in the X1 but some issues concern me.

    - Anthem frame weight.

    - Chainstay length. Been reading it's quite long but haven't confirmed yet.
    I saw a Fast Facts PDF where they had the frame weight listed at 2395g with "paint and hardware" whatever that means. Roughly 5.3lbs for an aluminum FS frame seems pretty light to me.

    Chainstays seem to be about .5" longer than the Pivot 429 which I really liked. The medium wheelbase is around 1" longer than the Tallboy. From the pics it looks pretty balanced. It's something to think about but I'm going to give it a try.

    The X 3 with a 5.3lb FS frame, Fox Fork, SLX shifting, same bar, post, stem as the others for $2350 has me sold. Looking at using the difference in price between the X 2 and X 3 to get a custom wheelset with White Stans rims, black spokes, and a DT240/340 hub set I already have. Put my money down today, can't wait for the bike to come in.

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    nice ride and value for money I bet, though I can't have one

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    Should be a really good bike, especially for long rides. I'm not sure about the BB height so can't judge yet.

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    Why is everyone hung up on the CS length? That is just one part of the overall equation.

    It was good enough for the win at Downieville......
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    Doesn't bother me....

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLightGo
    Why is everyone hung up on the CS length? That is just one part of the overall equation.

    It was good enough for the win at Downieville......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermont29er
    It'd be great for endurance racing.
    Great point.
    Looks like it was designed as an endurance race bike so while BB height is important I would not have thought it was the key design quality they were focussed on.
    Probably the same could be said about CS length.

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    rode a large at the shop parking lot this afternoon.....two sizes too big, but I had to get on it. Buttery smooth feel, but i cant say much about the geo since it is waayy too big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtylerdurden
    rode a large at the shop parking lot this afternoon.....two sizes too big, but I had to get on it. Buttery smooth feel, but i cant say much about the geo since it is waayy too big.
    How tall are you? inseam? What ETT do you usually ride?

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    The way I see it there are some well loved FS designs with 18" chainstays and some well loved ones with 17.5 or less chainstays.

    As said above it's only part of the equation. I'd say it will be a great endurance race, long trail ride days bike. Which most of the time leans toward a lower BB height. Most of us know what BB height works for us giving our trails and what we ride.
    I just wish they would post that number so we would know if it will or will not work for my/your specific need.
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    I think Anthem X 29er 2 is my next adventure/endurance race bike.. Low BB/long GS are great. It is not going to replace my AM..

    Need to see what size fits. I am 5'8" - 16"'s TT sounds a bit small..

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    I think the Anthem 29 sizing is going to be tricky.

    Spoke to a shop manager today who rode the Anthem for a whole weekend. He's 6'3 and usually rides XL frames. He said he felt much more comfortable on the large. I'm 6' and he said I should also go with the large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    I think the Anthem 29 sizing is going to be tricky.

    Spoke to a shop manager today who rode the Anthem for a whole weekend. He's 6'3 and usually rides XL frames. He said he felt much more comfortable on the large. I'm 6' and he said I should also go with the large.
    I would rather have smaller standover on the 16" - if it fits well, no overlap for my size 11 shoes. etc. Hard to guess by looking at geometry numbers how it would feel, especially if I have to swap stems, play with saddle position..

    Part spec is very much how I would have liked it in this price range - even the Tundra saddle. If only they had SLX brakes as well.

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    Looking at the geometry chart their L looks the same size ETT as many others L's.
    Their XL ETT also looks the same as many others XL's.

    I ride a 25" ETT on my Blacksheep and my Tallboy.
    I would ride that same ETT on the Anthem if I was buying one.

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    Ouch, those Tundra saddles are 125mm wide.

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    It's hard to tell from the pics, but I'm hoping the top tube is wider than it is tall where it meets the seat tube. Can anyone confirm this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by esXso
    Ouch, those Tundra saddles are 125mm wide.
    I measure up to ~145mm on one of those assometers, but Tundra was surprisingly comfortable for me. Not sure why. Does not feel more narrow then an SLR. But I also like So is Nisene HP and Rondine, so I guess I have a Fizik shaped ass..

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    32mm wide 23mm high (approx :-) )
    Shiny new Anthem 29er just in house!
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    I'll buy one if it's better than a Tallboy

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    what is the weight of the bike???

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog
    what is the weight of the bike???
    23 lbs (but nobody wants one because they think the BB is too high or the chainstays are too long...)

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    Are they offering frame only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Are they offering frame only?
    Yes, the X1 frame, $1599 MSRP. http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?...60&postcount=4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Are they offering frame only?

    I called my shop friday about a frame only, and while they will be offering it as frame only, I was told it probably wouldn't arrive until spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syl3
    I'll buy one if it's better than a Tallboy
    Define better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tegski
    32mm wide 23mm high (approx :-) )
    Shiny new Anthem 29er just in house!
    How do you like the bike so far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    How tall are you? inseam? What ETT do you usually ride?

    5'7" round a 30" inseam. I ride a medium SC Superlight and a small in 29ers.

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    What are the weights for handlebar, stem and seatpost used at Anthems? Looks like you could easily lose a lot weight replacing those + wheels and tires..

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    Large anthem X3 weighs 29.2lb and BB height 32.5cm.
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    23lbs is lighter than the carbon sf 100.

    very nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtok77
    What are the weights for handlebar, stem and seatpost used at Anthems? Looks like you could easily lose a lot weight replacing those + wheels and tires..
    Having seen them, they look comparable to the Ritchey Pro or Comp line. Durable enough, but not the lightest option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLightGo
    Having seen them, they look comparable to the Ritchey Pro or Comp line. Durable enough, but not the lightest option.
    They probably are Ritchey parts with a different logo.. Seatpost and stem look the same from those pictures. Not that I would object to that.
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    23lbs??? what size is that? what changes have you done?
    congrats on a great looking bike

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    Nice bike. Curious about the proprietary Giant wheelset though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A1an
    Nice bike. Curious about the proprietary Giant wheelset though.
    What is so proprietory about it? Shimano or Formula hubs, some run of the mill rim and spokes. Does not seem to have anything particularly fancy about it.

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    The Rims are proprietery Giant! (some sort of deep V dish that weigh a bit but are stiffer than Flows!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    23 lbs (but nobody wants one because they think the BB is too high or the chainstays are too long...)
    Which size/model is 23 lbs? I am going over to Giant HQ today and I will see about that. Or are you just making a point about i-net bike testing procedures?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Strong
    The Rims are proprietery Giant! (some sort of deep V dish that weigh a bit but are stiffer than Flows!
    How do you know that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy
    Which size/model is 23 lbs? I am going over to Giant HQ today and I will see about that. Or are you just making a point about i-net bike testing procedures?
    He was joking

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli
    He was joking
    Ah, I thought I smelled sarcasm Play on.
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    For anybody that's seen one: How does the rear tire clearance look? Think it'll clear a 2.4 Ardent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Strong
    The Rims are proprietery Giant!
    Given that Giant makes pretty much everything to everybody, pretty much nothing they do is truly proprietory. And what can be "proprietory" about a regular spoke 32 hole rims? ERD? It is not like they use Mavic or Crank Brothers spokes. Not even straight pull.

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    So are the stock components such as the stem, post and bar heavy?

    Want to know how much weight can be dropped by going carbon.

    I would probably rip out the 10-speed drivetrain and go with 2x9 setup with X9 and grip shift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Want to know how much weight can be dropped by going carbon.
    I bet you can drop 50g on bars - and gain some comfort. Stem and seatpost in carbon are often not particularly light. IF that is similar to a Ritchey seatpost - you can drop about 50g by getting, say, Thomson Masterpiece with a setback. And probably another 50g with some Syntace stem with ti hardware. Does not sound too much bang for the buck.
    More $ effective tune ups would be ~50g by replacing third ring with ight BBG bash. 30g with a rear bolt on skewer. ~20g Bolt-on seatpost collar. 30g with rear disk to Alligator. 40g for foam grips.

    Or just forget about that anal retentive stuff and get a second race weight wheelset.

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    Looks like 26lbs isn't that difficult to reach if thats where the X1 is. I'm getting the X3 (29lbs) and will be putting a custom tubeless wheelset and an SLX crank on it. Maybe drop up to 1.5 lbs there. I got a new SLX for $130 and it pretty much completes the X3 group so I'll be happy even if it isn't the lightest crankset.

    To switch brakes from the Avid Elixr 3 I'd have to spend $400 to loose 60 grams and probably not get that good a performance boost anyway.

    For bars, stem, post and seat I'll be riding stock for a while to test fit and check out the weights. I have a feeling that they're pretty light as they are. On the last few bikes I've gotten the factory parts were just about as light as solid aftermarket stuff.

    I'm thinking if you took a bare frame and built it up with XX and other WW stuff you could get it sub 24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frontierwolf
    To switch brakes from the Avid Elixr 3 I'd have to spend $400 to loose 60 grams and probably not get that good a performance boost anyway.
    Set it up with something like Formula rotors on your new wheelset - Alligator rotors also work fine in the rear - I use them with a combination sintered/organic pad. That's your 60g right there with no performance loss. Then you can get proper titanium bolts for calipers and for fixing levers. I run three ti, three steel bolts to fix rotors. Probably another 20g off overall?

    Even on stock wheelset - replacing spoke tape with Stan's yellow tape is up to 15g off per wheel for very little cost. Replacing a steel granny on SLX with Al from XT is about 30g worth if I remember correctly and cheap.

    Oh, all the weenie tricks.. I am not ashamed - as long as it does not make it less reliable in any way and is not stupid expensive. Its fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by frontierwolf
    I'm thinking if you took a bare frame and built it up with XX and other WW stuff you could get it sub 24.
    With this frame and fork - 23 should be in reach without too much esoteric $$ stuff and without a joke of a tires. But screw that, I will just tune stock a little bit - and replace cassette, chain once it wears out. X2 seems to be a fairly cost effective start.

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    Ripping out the XT 10 speed and going with X9 9-speed will save at least 100grams. Plus you can sell the 10-speed stuff for quite a bit and go with grip shifter. That way you end up saving money and reducing weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Ripping out the XT 10 speed and going with X9 9-speed will save at least 100grams. Plus you can sell the 10-speed stuff for quite a bit and go with grip shifter. That way you end up saving money and reducing weight.
    Sram's coming out with the new 10 speed stuff in X7, X9 and X0 in the next few months, looks like it would be a good bit of weight savings (mostly in the cranks) and not that overly priced... not sure if I'm sold on the 2x10 setup on a 29er though.. 26 ya, but the gear ratios with the 29er tires just seems off to me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Set it up with something like Formula rotors on your new wheelset - Alligator rotors also work fine in the rear - I use them with a combination sintered/organic pad. That's your 60g right there with no performance loss. Then you can get proper titanium bolts for calipers and for fixing levers. I run three ti, three steel bolts to fix rotors. Probably another 20g off overall?

    Even on stock wheelset - replacing spoke tape with Stan's yellow tape is up to 15g off per wheel for very little cost. Replacing a steel granny on SLX with Al from XT is about 30g worth if I remember correctly and cheap.

    Oh, all the weenie tricks.. I am not ashamed - as long as it does not make it less reliable in any way and is not stupid expensive. Its fun.



    With this frame and fork - 23 should be in reach without too much esoteric $$ stuff and without a joke of a tires. But screw that, I will just tune stock a little bit - and replace cassette, chain once it wears out. X2 seems to be a fairly cost effective start.
    Velocity's Veloplugs are even better, and if you bust a spoke, theres no need to retape or tubeless for real weight savings
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    Will SRAM offer 10sp Gripshift?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Ripping out the XT 10 speed and going with X9 9-speed will save at least 100grams. Plus you can sell the 10-speed stuff for quite a bit and go with grip shifter. That way you end up saving money and reducing weight.
    Going 1x10 with existing SLX cranks should be definitely cheaper. Add 1.x MRP guide (60g - $50 - not sure it will work with Giant's press fit BB though - maybe Paul' chain keeper instead), BBG ultralight bash (30g?, ~$15), remove granny (50g for steel?), big ring (80g), shifter and housing (~150g?), front derailler (~130g?). Shorten chain by 12 links. That's like a pound off.

    And 1x10 with 11-36 is half a gear wider then 11-34 9sp, and with better spaced gaps. 10sp chain is also lighter - by all reviews new assymetric Shimano chain shifts very well.

    I am not sure I can do 1x10 on an endurance bike. I can barely do 1x9 on a light hardtail for shorter rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomllama
    Velocity's Veloplugs are even better, and if you bust a spoke, theres no need to retape
    Same weight (~5g for 29). Retaping yellow tape is easy - and I buy a large roll in advance. Last I looked plugs been kinda expensive. But, yeah, another option.

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    The reason I want sram x9 9speed is because there is no grip shift offered for 10speed stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    The reason I want sram x9 9speed is because there is no grip shift offered for 10speed stuff.
    I hate grip shift. It hurts my wrists and gets in the way. I ain't running touring bikes for old ladies.

    I would much rather get some lighter dual-control levers for Shimano 10sp instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    I hate grip shift. It hurts my wrists and gets in the way.
    Really? I love 'em.

    Sounds like your set-up was wrong? Or maybe you just have tender wrists?


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    Quote Originally Posted by antonio
    Sounds like your set-up was wrong? Or maybe you just have tender wrists?
    I was into rock climbing for many years. I can hang from my wrists jammed into a granite crack. For hours. They are anything but tender. It is just that twist shifters are for the old ladies on beach cruisers.

    Seriously though, I just do not like'em. I like XTR shifters and XT dual controls paired with "Shadow" rear deraillers. Does it sound odd to you?
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    First ride on the gripshift I couldn't go back to triggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    First ride on the gripshift I couldn't go back to triggers.
    Just like crystal meth, eh?

    I think humans got opposable thumbs for a reason.

    Oh, well, that was thoroughly offtopic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy
    Which size/model is 23 lbs? I am going over to Giant HQ today and I will see about that. Or are you just making a point about i-net bike testing procedures?
    Are you telling me is a FS bike was 23lbs, nobody would want to ride it if it also had a BB too high or low or 18.2" chainstays? I was being silly, as you've figured out. I think it's funny how so many people will dismiss something for one thing they THINK is weird, without actually haven ridden it.

    I think this bike looks great. I'd love to try one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Are you telling me is a FS bike was 23lbs, nobody would want to ride it if it also had a BB too high or low or 18.2" chainstays? I was being silly, as you've figured out. I think it's funny how so many people will dismiss something for one thing they THINK is weird, without actually haven ridden it.

    I think this bike looks great. I'd love to try one.
    Yeah, I was pretty sure I had ya pegged, but sometimes I am slow. I would have pedaled it around, but it was at least one and maybe two sizes too small with VERY worked over wheels that wobbled nicely.

    Demo bike death wobble.

    Still, the med #1 version was 26lbs and a couple of ounces, like 2 or 3...we were holding the scale by hand so we not as steady as we would have liked to be...and that was with a bottle cage, no pedals.

    I asked Giant where someone would drop some weight first on this bike and while wheels are always the first place to look, they felt that the wheelset was pretty light already and a much lighter rim might get to be a bit soft. But stem, seatpost, bars, etc are all mid grade house brand stuff and carbon here would do quite a bit.

    Since this will be sold as a frame, a build with 2x10 SRAM XO and the right parts could be a great race/mid weight trail bike and would shed some pounds, I bet.

    I am not thrilled about the 18.2" CS deal, but I remember riding a Big Mama and thinking that it was pretty darn fun and agile at Bootleg. So, I will reserve judgement. That length does allow for a good amount of tire clearance and likely will feel really planted and stable at speed. I think the biggest hurdle will be overcoming perceptions and that might be worth having them shorter just for that alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    First ride on the gripshift I couldn't go back to triggers.
    I hate grip shift keep shifting when I don't want to going over crap... much prefer the Sram triggers over anything,.. don't like shimmy's having to use both finger and thumb.. find it annoying and sorta unsafe.. like my finger on the brake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomllama
    .. like my finger on the brake.
    You have only one? And how the heck do you brake with your index finger anyway? I use middle finger.. for everything.

    I can shift my XTR with thumb only - it shifts in multiple directions, instantly, multiple shifts both direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    You have only one? And how the heck do you brake with your index finger anyway? I use middle finger.. for everything.

    I can shift my XTR with thumb only - it shifts in multiple directions, instantly, multiple shifts both direction.
    ya, the XTR's are WAY over priced, I break stuff to often,,, and having to get my thumb behind it is annoying too... I'll stick with the Sram X9's save the $$$ and get other components upgraded
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomllama
    ya, the XTR's are WAY over priced, I break stuff to often,,, and having to get my thumb behind it is annoying too... I'll stick with the Sram X9's save the $$$ and get other components upgraded
    Looking at Chainreactioncycles (minus VAT, free delivery), XTR is on par or cheaper the X0, and XT on par or cheaper then X9.

    $280 for XX.. now that's overpriced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Looking at Chainreactioncycles (minus VAT, free delivery), XTR is on par or cheaper the X0, and XT on par or cheaper then X9.

    $280 for XX.. now that's overpriced.
    I've looked at both cheainreaction and Wiggle.UK.. wiggle is even cheaper usually, still not close to X9 stuff when on sale... XT or even XLS.. and X9 is far better rear derail than XT,... ever watch the side view vid?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZQf1bduGYs

    just like the shifting better on sram also, to each their own
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomllama
    I've looked at both cheainreaction and Wiggle.UK.. wiggle is even cheaper usually, still not close to X9 stuff when on sale... XT or even XLS.. and X9 is far better rear derail than XT,... ever watch the side view vid?
    Continuing the thread derailment, I just should add that this video demonstrates why SRAM is such an unreliable design - it does not articulate as well. It is supposed to move, like Shimano design does.

    XT Shadow is a better derailler - out of the way, crisp reliable shifting, better cable routing. The new 10sp stuff should be even better.

    SRAM is overpriced. No way X9 is any cheaper or better then SLX and XT.

    Or.. the good old Shimano vs SRAM debate. I am a converted SRAM user - Shadow redesign and latest shifters - and XT brakes with servo wave - won me over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Continuing the thread derailment, I just should add that this video demonstrates why SRAM is such an unreliable design - it does not articulate as well. It is supposed to move, like Shimano design does.

    XT Shadow is a better derailler - out of the way, crisp reliable shifting, better cable routing. The new 10sp stuff should be even better.

    SRAM is overpriced. No way X9 is any cheaper or better then SLX and XT.

    Or.. the good old Shimano vs SRAM debate. I am a converted SRAM user - Shadow redesign and latest shifters - and XT brakes with servo wave - won me over.
    really? you think bobbling around like that is a good thing? man you need to go back to high school science class!!! it's only supposed to move when I SHIFT , not wiggle around over every bump.. good that like doubles the wear and tear on the chain and cassette... tension on, tension off, tension on, tension off... BAD!!!

    hehehehehe people have their pref's I've used both, worked on both, the sram's I find are much more rugged, and that stupid loop in the cable for the Shimano's rear, GOD I can't count how many times that thing has been snagged, though the next sram one that gets eaten by a trail snake I'm going to X7's LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    anyway, let's get back on topic..


    I wouldn't mind that Giant bike , Shimano drive train and all it' looks nice, would LOVE to give it a test ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomllama
    really? you think bobbling around like that is a good thing? man you need to go back to high school science class!!! it's only supposed to move when I SHIFT , not wiggle around over every bump.. good that like doubles the wear and tear on the chain and cassette... tension on, tension off, tension on, tension off... BAD!!!

    hehehehehe people have their pref's I've used both, worked on both, the sram's I find are much more rugged, and that stupid loop in the cable for the Shimano's rear, GOD I can't count how many times that thing has been snagged, though the next sram one that gets eaten by a trail snake I'm going to X7's LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    anyway, let's get back on topic..


    I wouldn't mind that Giant bike , Shimano drive train and all it' looks nice, would LOVE to give it a test ride.
    You are so yesterday. There is no more cable loop in Shimano deraillers. It is much more out of the way in all ways.

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