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    The PhatSchtickel!!!!

    ...or 'Schtickel v. 2.0, for short.

    I have been kicking around the idea of a fat bike for a long time. I really liked the idea alot, but didn't think I'd ever see the kind of snowfall that could justify such a dedicated bike. In recent years, however, it seems more and more folks are opting to ride them on dirt!


    From about the time that I received the first frame from Steve, I have had a couple tweaks in mind...as well as the pipe-dream of being able to run a fat wheel in back .

    Over the course of the winter, I mulled things over & came to the place where I could really see the possibility of building a bike that will see 29er wheels 80-90% of the time, while still affording me the opportunity to build up a full on fatty!

    This frame will feature:

    150mm Maxle rear
    83mm BB shell
    New 44mm head tube to run tapered steerer forks
    A design around the new 140mm Reba
    Hammerschmidt


    The real magic, however, was how Steve Stickel managed to squeeze all of my requests for the 29 AM frame, along with a Hammerschmidt AND fat wheels into one package. Once again I am singing the guys praises...he is such a great builder to work with from start to finish! And his work...well, I think it speaks for itself.

    Some concept art







    Geometry I sent Steve



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    Plenty of room!










    We're almost there...then off to paint!!!
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    Wow!

    That is smokin' hot!! How much longer do you have to wait to get 'er built up and on the trail? Can't wait to see the finished project ...a genius creation!

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    sooooo awesome! cant wait to see the final build
    Winter is coming.

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    that thang Sweet! is Steve building you a fork or you using a Pugs fork ? (nevermind just saw the Salsa fatty fork missed that pic somehow)

    can't wait to see it after powder .. No Gold/Butterscotch because that's the color i'm doing mine!

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    Phat-Tastic!



    Any idea of when Fo will take delivery?
    What the EFF is "All MOUNTAIN"???

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    Bravo, man!

    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    ...or 'Schtickel v. 2.0, for short.

    I have been kicking around the idea of a fat bike for a long time. I really liked the idea alot, but didn't think I'd ever see the kind of snowfall that could justify such a dedicated bike. In recent years, however, it seems more and more folks are opting to ride them on dirt!


    From about the time that I received the first frame from Steve, I have had a couple tweaks in mind...as well as the pipe-dream of being able to run a fat wheel in back .

    Over the course of the winter, I mulled things over & came to the place where I could really see the possibility of building a bike that will see 29er wheels 80-90% of the time, while still affording me the opportunity to build up a full on fatty!

    This frame will feature:

    150mm Maxle rear
    83mm BB shell
    New 44mm head tube to run tapered steerer forks
    A design around the new 140mm Reba
    Hammerschmidt


    The real magic, however, was how Steve Stickel managed to squeeze all of my requests for the 29 AM frame, along with a Hammerschmidt AND fat wheels into one package. Once again I am singing the guys praises...he is such a great builder to work with from start to finish! And his work...well, I think it speaks for itself.

    Some concept art


    *bunch of sweet bike porn pics*

    We're almost there...then off to paint!!!
    THis is focking sweet!!!

    Well done!!

    Please don't paint it white. That would make me cry.

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    J and Steve:

    Simply outstanding work all the way around!!!

    Bravo.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Wow, riding that cycling device will be better than having...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Phat-Tastic!



    Any idea of when Fo will take delivery?
    Probably about the time the snow starts flying at Mammoth Mtn. Labor day weekend?

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    This is very neat.
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    nicely done!

    I am flattered you used the idea of my bike to build around it a phat version and its very hawt. It will compliment my stable nicely when sent to me as while we dont have snow, it will be perfect for cruising the local beaches checking out the hawties

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    Awesome

    What is the CS length for version 2.0? Is the ETT on this bike shorter than the original?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.I.T.nj
    What is the CS length for version 2.0? Is the ETT on this bike shorter than the original?
    ETT looks to be the same, 24.5

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    It should be called the Swiss ArmyStickel
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Jeff & Steve's build's are just way out there. No-one else is doing this kina stuff...

    Brillinat work

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    Really cool stuff, well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter




    Geometry I sent Steve

    I calculate your BB in phat rigid mode at around 11.5"-11.7"

    What crank length do you plan to run?
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Teamdicky...you hit the nail on the head!

    Thanks for the swell comments all...I am really gonna need your support for the next couple weeks (until delivery)

    Enel: how did you calculate that? The delta in A-C from sagged 140mm Reba to Enabler fork is 36mm (that's without considering the difference in diameter between fat wheel & 29er wheel). It might net a bit over 1* in HTA, but I doubt it will be.75" at the bb. Short answer...175mm crank arms

    PS. ...and yes, this will be a very versatile frame (swiss army!).


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    PS. Brado1, gold/butterscotch it is!


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    PS. Brado1, gold/butterscotch it is!

    NOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Enel: how did you calculate that? The delta in A-C from sagged 140mm Reba to Enabler fork is 36mm (that's without considering the difference in diameter between fat wheel & 29er wheel). It might net a bit over 1* in HTA, but I doubt it will be.75" at the bb. Short answer...175mm crank arms
    I don't know the difference in wheel size so I assumed they were the same.

    30% sag on 140mm travel = 42mm
    546-42= 504 a-c at sag
    504-468= 36mm
    36mm X sine 70 = 34mm vert drop at the front end.

    Now to calculate the drop at the BB. I am not sure if I am doing this correctly, but assumed 16.75 chainstays and overall wheelbase of 43.75.

    16.75/43.75= coeffecient to determine the portion of front end drop that will occur at the BB = (0.38)

    0.38 X 34mm = 13mm =0.5"

    12.0"-0.5" = 11.5"
    12.25"-0.5" = 11.75"

    It will probably be more since my coefficient is based on the WB and it should really be based on the chainstay divided by the distance from rear axle to headtube horizontally, but I don't have that number.

    Please don't let all this geekery mess with the b1tchenness of the bike.

    If you have a better way to calculate this I am all ears.

    Do you know the difference in wheel diameter?

    Was 1.5 a possibility, or no can do in steel?

    To say this frame interests me is an understatement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Your math isn't too bad....but I was a ChemE I'm better with chemicals

    I still suspect the bb drop will be minimal.

    I would hate to see a 1.5 HT with steel tubing


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    Quote Originally Posted by F.I.T.nj
    What is the CS length for version 2.0?
    We'll have to get that from Steve (Jeff)


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    Oops.
    Last edited by D.F.L.; 08-02-2010 at 08:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D.F.L.
    At first, this thing looked funny, but now my own bike has clearance-envy
    Don't hate it becuz it's beautiful!


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    Nice!

    Would look great in black.
    Crunchy. Even in mud.

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    It would look it's best in black, flat or shiny, doesn't matter just as long as it's black. Can't wait to see the finished build.

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    Hmmmmmm, black? That's a great idea!!!! Black it is!

    Brado, you're off the hook


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Hmmmmmm, black? That's a great idea!!!! Black it is!

    Brado, you're off the hook

    i don't know i'm thinking that whole swiss army thing

    Green and Red
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    Now you have me second guessing myself! Steve, is it too late to move some tubes around?


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    That is just freakin' awesome. Can't wait to see this built. My fatty is pretty much my favorite bike. Goes ANYWHERE.
    Just a regular guy.

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    Cool!

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    nice

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    A VERY rare look into the mind of Steve........... I'm shocked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokebikes
    A VERY rare look into the mind of Steve........... I'm shocked!

    The Mind is a Terrible Thing.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    I don't know the difference in wheel size so I assumed they were the same.

    30% sag on 140mm travel = 42mm
    546-42= 504 a-c at sag
    504-468= 36mm
    36mm X sine 70 = 34mm vert drop at the front end.

    Now to calculate the drop at the BB. I am not sure if I am doing this correctly, but assumed 16.75 chainstays and overall wheelbase of 43.75.

    16.75/43.75= coeffecient to determine the portion of front end drop that will occur at the BB = (0.38)

    0.38 X 34mm = 13mm =0.5"

    12.0"-0.5" = 11.5"
    12.25"-0.5" = 11.75"

    It will probably be more since my coefficient is based on the WB and it should really be based on the chainstay divided by the distance from rear axle to headtube horizontally, but I don't have that number.

    Please don't let all this geekery mess with the b1tchenness of the bike.

    If you have a better way to calculate this I am all ears.

    Do you know the difference in wheel diameter?

    Was 1.5 a possibility, or no can do in steel?

    To say this frame interests me is an understatement.
    I know it is far from scientific, but using the same program that I sketched out the concept art with (to scale), I measure a 12.07" bb height with the rigid, fat build.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    I know it is far from scientific, but using the same program that I sketched out the concept art with (to scale), I measure a 12.07" bb height with the rigid, fat build.
    Sounds perfect. Let me know when you want to sell it
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Let me know when you want to sell it
    Didn't we already try that once?


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    is it done yet??
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerJoe
    is it done yet??
    yeah no doubt, the suspense is killing me

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    Although enel's calculations sound good, here's an easy calculator for those of us not as smart: http://bikegeo.muha.cc/
    May the air be filled with tires!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaster1200
    Although enel's calculations sound good, here's an easy calculator for those of us not as smart: http://bikegeo.muha.cc/
    Doh!!! Thanks for the link that makes life a lot easier.

    edit: I plugged in the numbers and got the same answer (13mm difference in bb) I calculated so I guess my math isn't too bad.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Interesting. I do like the reach/stack concept...notice that, as the HTA steepens & ETT gets shorter, the reach lengthens. Tho, hard to believe the stack height on this bike will be under 10"!!


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    Seriously, kick a** bike! Eagerly awaiting build pictures as well. Congratulations to Steve as well, the fabrication work on that bike is just stunning.
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    Hahaha - Most people don't care. Looks good to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Hahaha - Most people don't care. Looks good to me.
    One can never be too careful

    FITnj: Chainstays will be around 16.5"


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    I've been riding the Pugs most of the time this year, and am finding it to be a remarkably quick and capable bike. We like to call 29"ers steamrollers. Once you get 'em rolling, they just just keep going. The fat bike is a fvckin' juggernaut. It laughs at rock gardens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    I've been riding the Pugs most of the time this year, and am finding it to be a remarkably quick and capable bike. We like to call 29"ers steamrollers. Once you get 'em rolling, they just just keep going. The fat bike is a fvckin' juggernaut. It laughs at rock gardens.

    Damn you Martini , now i want a Fat Bike. i've taken one for a spin at the beach but never on the trail..

    This would surely be me gettin stupid with it if i owned one..



    I'mTorn ...so many bikes styles to choose from, so little time (i mean money)


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    Quote Originally Posted by brado1
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    Hands still on the bars...


    He might just pull it off.

    I think maybe I need one of these wreck proof fat bikes.
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    Looks like he was using the older Endomorph tires...the newer Larry's are reported not to have that problem.


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    He looks like the Evel Knievel toy I had as a kid... I bet he'll hit face first, the bike flips over his head and eventually rolls back upright, and he keeps going... without his hands ever leaving the bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee
    He looks like the Evel Knievel toy I had as a kid... I bet he'll hit face first, the bike flips over his head and eventually rolls back upright, and he keeps going... without his hands ever leaving the bars.

    yeah i had one of those too!


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    Quote Originally Posted by brado1
    yeah i had one of those too!
    Haha...me 3!

    On another note, look what showed up today



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    meh! all the colors in the i9 Skittles Double Rainbow and you get black?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brado1
    meh! all the colors in the i9 Skittles Double Rainbow and you get black?
    'magine that!


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    Peel the stickers off the rims.

    Do the bike in a full Johnny Cash build, black on black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Haha...me 3!

    On another note, look what showed up today
    nice! other than hub dimensions, those are what i have on the SvelteStickel

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk
    Peel the stickers off the rims.

    Do the bike in a full Johnny Cash build, black on black.
    if he does that he than completely copies me and that would be lame

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    My new bike is whey better than my old one
    Last edited by jncarpenter; 08-07-2010 at 03:10 PM.


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    Finally have the front wheel in hand. Nothing better for a fat bike wheel build than a Chub



    Surprisingly, the wheel only weighs ~1100g!


    The happy couple


    OK Steve...just need a frame to make this happen


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Finally have the front wheel in hand. Nothing better for a fat bike wheel build than a Chub



    OK Steve...just need a frame to make this happen
    WOW! Can't wait to see this thing.

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    Holy mother!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Rumored to be boarding a FedEx vehicle today...



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    Sweet, well done Steve
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    Awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Holy mother!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Rumored to be boarding a FedEx vehicle today...

    wow..that is rad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Finally have the front wheel in hand. Nothing better for a fat bike wheel build than a Chub



    Surprisingly, the wheel only weighs ~1100g!


    The happy couple


    OK Steve...just need a frame to make this happen
    nice! you can now finally say you were able to get a chub

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    Wowzers! I can't wait till next year when Fo takes his new PhatStickel to Mammoth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee
    He looks like the Evel Knievel toy I had as a kid... I bet he'll hit face first, the bike flips over his head and eventually rolls back upright, and he keeps going... without his hands ever leaving the bars.
    Best toy evar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough
    Wowzers! I can't wait till next year when Fo takes his new PhatStickel to Mammoth.
    Rumor has it that Fo will have the V.1 version up there later this week... so you won't have to wait that long to ride the Original. I think Fo has jilted his Fo'skey for the FoSchtickel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    Rumor has it that Fo will have the V.1 version up there later this week... so you won't have to wait that long to ride the Original. I think Fo has jilted his Fo'skey for the FoSchtickel.
    Sooooo...he traded up, you're saying


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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    wow..that is rad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Sooooo...he traded up, you're saying
    It's hard to understand Fo... Sometimes I think he suffers from "OPP" with bikes. Although Enel suffers from bike "OPP" too. Either that, or he's a closet fly fisherman, practices Catch and Release, but doesn't own a fly rod...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Sooooo...he traded up, you're saying
    not at ALL. They are 2 different bikes. The Lynskey is freaking oustanding, period. The Stickel is a beast that is just pure fun. The Lynskey is a Range Rover and the Stickel a Land Rover Defender. The only reason I am brining the Stickel to Mammoth and not the Lynskey is because my most recent roadtrip utilized the Lynskey so its the By:Stickel's turn is all

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    not at ALL. They are 2 different bikes. The Lynskey is freaking oustanding, period. The Stickel is a beast that is just pure fun. The Lynskey is a Range Rover and the Stickel a Land Rover Defender. The only reason I am brining the Stickel to Mammoth and not the Lynskey is because my most recent roadtrip utilized the Lynskey so its the By:Stickel's turn is all
    And maybe to demonstrate to SG an all mountain hardtail with big wheels.

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    omg cant wait to see this beast built up.
    Winter is coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough
    And maybe to demonstrate to SG an all mountain hardtail with big wheels.
    It will be interesting to see how the FoStickel climbs with that slacked out front end in the thin air of Mammoth, on the loose cat litter everywhere on the mountain. Not to whine, but for any non shuttle climbing right now, some rain would really be nice to stiffen the dirt up here in Mammoth, leg sucking moon dust and deep fluff and duff is everywhere.

    Fo, I hope you'll offer up a demo ride on the FoStickel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    It will be interesting to see how the FoStickel climbs with that slacked out front end in the thin air of Mammoth, on the loose cat litter everywhere on the mountain. Not to whine, but for any non shuttle climbing right now, some rain would really be nice to stiffen the dirt up here in Mammoth, leg sucking moon dust and deep fluff and duff is everywhere.

    Fo, I hope you'll offer up a demo ride on the FoStickel.
    Mammoth bound, b!tch!

    Only changes from original are stickers on frame and fork (suck it JNC), more manly non-carbon wider 30" bars, Ardent 2.4s front and rear, XT pedals in place of now broken Shimano 646 , and XT cranks in place of 15gs which had too narrow of a q-factor to give warm and fuzzies for chainstay-crank arms clearance - ready to rock!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Mammoth bound, b!tch!

    Only changes from original are stickers on frame and fork (suck it JNC), more manly non-carbon wider 30" bars, Ardent 2.4s front and rear, XT pedals in place of now broken Shimano 646 , and XT cranks in place of 15gs which had too narrow of a q-factor to give warm and fuzzies for chainstay-crank arms clearance - ready to rock!

    Without rain up here, you're gonna wish for the FattySchtickel of GheyNCarpenter's up here on the kitty litter/moon dust. With a set of gears in back, there'd be plenty of float with the MonsterTruck tires that thing has.

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    This just in..."the Eagle has landed!"

    Stay tuned...


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    This just in..."the Eagle has landed!"

    Stay tuned...
    You just ruined 2 days of riding for Fo, he'll be glued/tethered to his handheld with baited breath, waiting for pictures of the complete build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Mammoth bound, b!tch!

    Only changes from original are stickers on frame and fork (suck it JNC), more manly non-carbon wider 30" bars, Ardent 2.4s front and rear, XT pedals in place of now broken Shimano 646 , and XT cranks in place of 15gs which had too narrow of a q-factor to give warm and fuzzies for chainstay-crank arms clearance - ready to rock!

    Not to take the eyes off the real prize of this thread but I would like to point out that Fo's ocd is slipping. Silver cranks... You better send them to Crazy8 for a face lift.
    I like to ride Bikes. This might be turning into an obsession, not sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjcools
    Not to take the eyes off the real prize of this thread but I would like to point out that Fo's ocd is slipping. Silver cranks... You better send them to Crazy8 for a face lift.
    yep...was bummed about that but needed cranks with non lycra-clad q-factor to clear the manly chainstay width, especially given (personal) need for 180mm. As for silver, that REALLY bugged me at first and thought about ceramic coated magic but i like the industrial look after all. Besides, when i am catching huge air just barely avoiding casing 75 foot gaps the color of my cranks is secondary. MTBR viewers really need to learn that its function over form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    ....Although Enel suffers from bike "OPP" too. Either that, or he's a closet fly fisherman, practices Catch and Release, but doesn't own a fly rod...
    First off, I don't know what OPP means.


    Second: I have not bought a bike in at least 6 months. Of the four I ride regularly, one is Three years with no changes, one two years with no changes, and one just over a year.


    What that means is I am due...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Mammoth bound, b!tch!

    Only changes from original are stickers on frame and fork (suck it JNC), more manly non-carbon wider 30" bars, Ardent 2.4s front and rear, XT pedals in place of now broken Shimano 646 , and XT cranks in place of 15gs which had too narrow of a q-factor to give warm and fuzzies for chainstay-crank arms clearance - ready to rock!

    Uh huh... that's a badge, not a sticker... and Aqua's form on your bike is.... words can't describe it.



    The way you're typing and posting pics,... nuthin but E Rides for you today, again. That poor FoStickel, sitting in a big dark garage. It's as if I gotta point out again that your Mom gets ridden more than your FoStickel.

    In other words, Fo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSkDQYe2FYw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    First off, I don't know what OPP means.


    Second: I have not bought a bike in at least 6 months. Of the four I ride regularly, one is Three years with no changes, one two years with no changes, and one just over a year.


    What that means is I am due...
    LOL,

    1. I hope the wife doesn't visit here.
    2. Google is your friend ... "u down with OPP"

    Oblique reference, my man, about Other Persons Bike, buying used Lenz's.

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    Curious on the geo, why such a slack seat tube angle?

    I guess it's the only way to get the effective top tube length and get wheel base numbers where you want them. But climbing on 70 degrees must kinda suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk
    Curious on the geo, why such a slack seat tube angle?

    I guess it's the only way to get the effective top tube length and get wheel base numbers where you want them. But climbing on 70 degrees must kinda suck.

    Who sits when they climb?

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    I didn't have enough time to finish the build tonite...so still missing the chain & cog, as well as grips. As it sits, just south of 31 lbs...not too shabby for a phatty



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    Shall I say again, sweet!
    "I ride to clear my head, my head is clearer when I'm riding SS. Therefore, I choose to ride SS."~ Fullrange Drew

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk
    ...climbing on 70 degrees must kinda suck.
    Obviously a matter of personal physiology & preference....but I haven't found it to suck one iota


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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    That's an awful girlie sized head tube


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    I didn't have enough time to finish the build tonite...so still missing the chain & cog, as well as grips. As it sits, just south of 31 lbs...not too shabby for a phatty

    just plain killer!
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    By far one of the sickest bike builds on these boards!!! A true 2 for 1.
    I like to ride Bikes. This might be turning into an obsession, not sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    That bike makes me smile.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Never mind the quality....... feel the width!

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    ha! thats RAD!....love it.
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    ... and if we just ...

    I cant get the size scale in my head , need to see you on it.

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    Gobsmackingly amazing.

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    Fan-scadidiillybop-tastic!

    can we see it with the 29er wheelset on too please?
    Ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSingleGuy
    can we see it with the 29er wheelset on too please?
    It won't look much different from it's little brother.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    It won't look much different from it's little brother.
    But we don't wanna look at Fo's bike!






    edit...thanks for the photo, though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    That's an awful girlie sized head tube
    maybe if you had the finesse I did and not some clumsy ass homer your wouldnt need the crutch of a tapered HT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSingleGuy
    But we don't wanna look at Fo's bike!
    that aint Fo's bike...only a b!tch like JNC would feel the need for more than 1 gear on the stickel, a la FoStickel

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    Whoa! I just found out who I'm gonna stick with all my worn-out Frog pedal carcasses

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbem
    I cant get the size scale in my head , need to see you on it.
    +1 Really need to see a pic of you on it or at least standing by it. Looks great!

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    That's one of the coolest projects I've seen on here in awhile. Nice work. Bet it's a blast to ride.

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    What size seatpost do you have to run with this new one? Looks even bigger than a 31.6mm Thomson (maybe just a visual thing).

    Looks like ByStickel has gone "live" on Facebook! Go Steve Go!

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    Frog pedals rock!

    Mark, it's a 31.6.


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    Finally had a chance to get out and do an extended ride. Wow, is thing a fun little (well, maybe not little ) ride! It feels like a juggernaut in the techy stuff & the cornering traction is really something you have to experience first hand to believe! I need to play with the tire pressure...I think I had too much and it was already under 20 psi. It really feels like you have some suspension (tho, un-damped )!

    I can tell it's going to make a great winter bike for the sloppy conditions that we often find here in the southeast. Next ride...some rock crawling

    Still waiting on a fork for the 29er build...but I am really looking forward to it!

    Behold...the monster



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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter

    Behold...the monster

    That is Hawt! well played sir...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brado1
    That is Hawt! well played sir...
    Thanks man! I actually felt a bit faster on this bike than my usual choice (Wolfhound) for the same trails! I really didn't notice the extra heft of the wheels...tho, there wasn't really any sustained climbs, mostly alot of rolling/ techy stuff with some 3-4' drops. It's pretty amazing how forgiving those wheels/ tires make the ride The added traction made it super hard to drift or cut the rear at all! I'm sure with some additional rides I'll adapt my technique & slice even faster turns


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    Nice one, Jay!

    That's the monster truck of the MTB world. Surprised (and intrigued) to hear that the extra wheel weight was not that big a deal, even without long climbs. I would have thought that you would really feel it when getting up to speed even on the flats. Very nice ride!
    Crunchy. Even in mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    I need to play with the tire pressure...I think I had too much and it was already under 20 psi. It really feels like you have some suspension (tho, un-damped )!
    I find a fat front wheel needs closer to 12 psi. My friend has a fat front Jones and he rides his endomorph between 11.5 and 13 psi. He weighs 240lbs. He has purchased but not tried the Larry out, so I don't know if those pressures will be changes (assuming not).

    Pressure too high (for him or me above 13) the tires are too hard. Pressure under 11psi and it's too bouncy. You need to find the sweet spot, so get a digital gauge if you don't already have one.

    Looks very nice and lots of fun for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornflake
    Nice one, Jay!

    That's the monster truck of the MTB world. Surprised (and intrigued) to hear that the extra wheel weight was not that big a deal, even without long climbs. I would have thought that you would really feel it when getting up to speed even on the flats. Very nice ride!
    There's no escaping the heft of the wheel under acceleration, but once up to speed It mows things down


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Thanks man! I actually felt a bit faster on this bike than my usual choice (Wolfhound) for the same trails! I really didn't notice the extra heft of the wheels...tho, there wasn't really any sustained climbs, mostly alot of rolling/ techy stuff with some 3-4' drops. It's pretty amazing how forgiving those wheels/ tires make the ride The added traction made it super hard to drift or cut the rear at all! I'm sure with some additional rides I'll adapt my technique & slice even faster turns
    We need some pics of fatty flyin' That would be so cool to see.

    What does your BB measure out to in this config?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    We need some pics of fatty flyin' That would be so cool to see.

    What does your BB measure out to in this config?
    Sorry....I guess I just don't roll with the "let's stop & take some pics of ourselves" mafia. Current bb measures the same as the 'Wolf....~11.6".

    I'll try & get a pic of it in action next time



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    Looks flexy. Bravo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    I find a fat front wheel needs closer to 12 psi. My friend has a fat front Jones and he rides his endomorph between 11.5 and 13 psi. He weighs 240lbs. He has purchased but not tried the Larry out, so I don't know if those pressures will be changes (assuming not).

    Pressure too high (for him or me above 13) the tires are too hard. Pressure under 11psi and it's too bouncy. You need to find the sweet spot, so get a digital gauge if you don't already have one.

    Looks very nice and lots of fun for sure.
    x2. Drop the pressures. If I ran 20 psi, I'd be bucked off for sure.
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    20psi is probably way too high - you might want to experiment with 8psi/11psi range - I usually run my fat Jones at 8.5psi, Jeff told me he ran his at 11psi for jumps.

    Looks fab BTW

    I think you'll find a massive difference in acceleration when you put 29er wheels on it, I know I notice it when I swap mine over!

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    awesome..in the real sense of the word!.....

    with the fat fronts i have used it is well worth playing around with he PSI in pretty small increments. i'm sure if i thought about it long enough the physics would probably be there, but in practice even 1 psi changes can be felt.

    im 200lb or so and ended up around 11 psi. too low and it sort of smeared too much round corners and i got too much counter steering on off camber stuff. too high and you got bounced around too much. fwiw i use maxxis DH inner tubes.

    rock crawling is rad with these things, i'm sure with the rear you're going to get even more benefit!...i love the way the tyre deforms round rocks and stuff...traction off the dial!...

    enjoy it!...you've definitely got me thinking....
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    WOW. It just looks so right! Need to see you on it ASAP. Still can't wrap my head around the scale. Congrats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Sorry....I guess I just don't roll with the "let's stop & take some pics of ourselves" mafia. Current bb measures the same as the 'Wolf....~11.6".
    I understand, but the entertainment value of seeing someone shred big fat wheels can not be underestimated Figure out a way to make it happen. Do it for Steve, for me, for us all.

    You likey the fork so far? Think it will hold up to the abuse?
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    You likey the fork so far? Think it will hold up to the abuse?
    Fork seems fine so far, albeit a tad short. I will likely go with a custom at some point. If it doesn't hold up long...I'll be going custom sooner than later


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    blah blah blah.

    Total. Fvcking. Win.

    Pressure is tricky. I'm down at 12 to 15 psi in mine, and one to two psi really does make a difference. 20 is really quite high for these tires. Almost 'road' high.
    Just a regular guy.

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    FWIW, its my opinion that Fat bikes are the new technical terrain bike. Its just silly what they're capable of. Opens up all kinds of new terrain.
    Just a regular guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing
    20psi is probably way too high - you might want to experiment with 8psi/11psi range - I usually run my fat Jones at 8.5psi, Jeff told me he ran his at 11psi for jumps.

    Looks fab BTW

    I think you'll find a massive difference in acceleration when you put 29er wheels on it, I know I notice it when I swap mine over!
    I have to agree with Futon River Crossing. I run my Larrys at 9lbs and have hit some big rocks without a problem. I also think your bike looks fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Sorry....I guess I just don't roll with the "let's stop & take some pics of ourselves" mafia. Current bb measures the same as the 'Wolf....~11.6".

    I'll try & get a pic of it in action next time

    That's like jerking your stick and not finishing what you started. Even Aqua gets off, you must really enjoy being the tease.

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    Come on, Jay... cough up some ride pics. The garage queen shots are awesome, but let's see that thing steam rolling something.

    Since you don't have any riding friends...perhaps you could rig up one of those silly asssed, helmet mounted tripod cams, like Poindexter did.
    What the EFF is "All MOUNTAIN"???

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    Good God. What a machine. Just perfect.

    What rear cog are you running? It looks huge! I'm assuming the bike is essentially a dinglespeed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orkje
    Good God. What a machine. Just perfect.

    What rear cog are you running? It looks huge! I'm assuming the bike is essentially a dinglespeed?
    With the range of the Hammerschmidt, I need a bigger cog for the majority of my riding. It's essentially a 22/ 36 front combo with a 23 rear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    With the range of the Hammerschmidt, I need a bigger cog for the majority of my riding. It's essentially a 22/ 36 front combo with a 23 rear.
    I think the FoSkey I rode had similar gearing. Hmmm I wonder if a FoPhatSki is in the works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    I think the FoSkey I rode had similar gearing. Hmmm I wonder if a FoPhatSki is in the works?
    If Fo was any sort of man, at all, he'd slap a Fat front on his MyStickel...I think we both know that'll never happen


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    If Fo was any sort of man, at all, he'd slap a Fat front on his MyStickel...I think we both know that'll never happen
    Stranger things have happened. That bike might end up in Fo's garage for Christmas, he doesn't live that far from the beach, or the snow line. Kinda depends on if the wifey lets him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    If Fo was any sort of man, at all, he'd slap a Fat front on his MyStickel...I think we both know that'll never happen
    If you were a man, like me, you wouldnt need such a crutch for your tame riding

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    She sho' is a versatile girl







    Still waiting on some phatter 29er tires & 140mm Reba...but this should suffice to get in the first 29er ride. Absolutely loving this bike!



    Doesn't even look bad with an anemic 2.25 Ardent out back...

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    pretty much my dream bike...
    Winter is coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachjon
    pretty much my dream bike...
    You & me both!

    I love the 29" wheels on this type of bike...but the phat wheels are a serious hoot to ride (and not exactly slow either!)


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    sizzle.
    Ride.

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    1. Put something in the head badge (maybe the truck from Convoy...)

    2. black zip-ties Those clear ones an attempt at color?

    No more Purgatory 2.4s?

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    Tsk Tsk

    I agree with Jeff Stickel's brother.

    White zip ties?!!

    What the Hell are you thinking?
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    What the EFF is "All MOUNTAIN"???

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    Yes you would look far more Procore on the internet with black ties

    nice bike btw

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    Bike looks killer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by D.F.L.
    1. Put something in the head badge (maybe the truck from Convoy...)

    2. black zip-ties Those clear ones an attempt at color?

    No more Purgatory 2.4s?
    The Purg's are on the way.
    Decals & badge are in the works
    The zip ties are white to match the fork



    I have to say, I am a 150mm rear (zero offset) convert. I have never experienced this much rear stiffness on a 29er until now...it's so sweet to be able to cut the rear in turns and not feel any flex at all
    Since I am essentially running the same wheels on all my bikes (with the exception of the 150mm width on this bike), it's a pretty accurate comparison.


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    Needs a black fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Needs a black fork.
    Working on it


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    I have to say, I am a 150mm rear (zero offset) convert. I have never experienced this much rear stiffness on a 29er until now...it's so sweet to be able to cut the rear in turns and not feel any flex at all
    Since I am essentially running the same wheels on all my bikes (with the exception of the 150mm width on this bike), it's a pretty accurate comparison.
    "zero offset"

    Is your frame different from typical 150mm spacing in some way to allow this or is it simply a hub flange spacing issue?
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    "zero offset"

    Is your frame different from typical 150mm spacing in some way to allow this or is it simply a hub flange spacing issue?
    I'm not sure I get the question...is there a 150mm rear out there that requires some dish? This is my first 150 hub, but I was under the impression that they all mostly build up without any offset, due to the additional width.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    I'm not sure I get the question...is there a 150mm rear out there that requires some dish? This is my first 150 hub, but I was under the impression that they all mostly build up without any offset, due to the additional width.
    Some have the flanges spaced so they don't require dish, others still require some dish. It seems lame that a hub manufacturer would make this choice, but they do. I know my King 150 has some dish to it for example. Had I known that I might have made a different hub choice.

    There was a discussion of it in this thread. Specifically this very good post.

    I was just wondering if the zero offset meant anything in fat bike world, but it sounds like you have typical 150 spacing and I9 makes an appropriately flanged hub so it is zero dish.

    CK 150 center to flange Drive side=25mm non-drive =38.5mm
    I9 center to flange Drive side=28.66mm non-drive =30.78mm
    DT 340 center to flange Drive side=26mm non-drive =26mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Gotcha. Yes, the I9 hub is my go-to hub for many reasons...


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    Any idea why the fat-bike rear hub "standard" width is 160-165mm?

    Why don't they use the 150mm rear hub?

    Chainline issues with wider tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_eleven
    Any idea why the fat-bike rear hub "standard" width is 160-165mm?

    Why don't they use the 150mm rear hub?

    Chainline issues with wider tires?
    Yup. Wider rims (like 100mm) and full 9/10 speed cassettes may have some issues with a sub-160mm non-offset rear end.
    BTW Mr. Carpenter, I have a very serious case of bike lust.
    I already asked this on the Phat Phorum, but is that the DJ or SS Chub?

    Gracias,

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    I can't stop staring at this bike.
    Thinking battleship gray... Star Wars font decals... Darth in the head badge.

    Los
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    any chance of getting a picture with 26 rear and 29 front???
    pretty please!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slobscene
    any chance of getting a picture with 26 rear and 29 front???
    pretty please!!!
    I don't have a 26" rear...sorry


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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos
    Yup. Wider rims (like 100mm) and full 9/10 speed cassettes may have some issues with a sub-160mm non-offset rear end.
    BTW Mr. Carpenter, I have a very serious case of bike lust.
    I already asked this on the Phat Phorum, but is that the DJ or SS Chub?

    Gracias,

    Los

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    brado1, you magnificent ba$tard!
    "That's no moon, it's a drunken watermelon!"

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    ....for such a time as this!



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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    ....for such a time as this!

    sure rub it in

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    To quote Jim Morrison..."LET IT ROLL, Baby, ROLL"
    (Just make room for me to follow in the snow! )

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    For those who have been asking about chain clearance:



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    FoShizzle should be rocking that up at Mammoth Mountain right now.

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    Hmm

    I'm sure it will be a great addition in the snowy hills of Virginia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo
    I'm sure it will be a great addition in the snowy hills of Virginia
    True...it has been a blast in the three snowfalls we had in Dec.

    Even better in the dirt prior...


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    This thing continues to impress!
    Slapped a 100mm Zocchi on it (for an experiment I am currently doing)...wicked shralp-able!




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    Hmmmmm, experiment huh? I've been wondering what you were going to replace the hound with...

    Hopefully it is as sick as the previous buggies.

    Cheers,
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    Looks forkin perfect

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    Really nice ride you've built there.

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