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    The official 2011 29er thread

    So, if you have found the pics of the 2011 29er stuff, put em in here
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    Sorry, No Pix

    Some New or Redisigned 29ers for 2011 (not all-inclusive):

    HT
    Breezer Cloud 9
    Breezer Jetstream
    Canfield Yelli Screamy
    Felt Nine Sport
    Felt Nine Trail
    Gary Fisher (entire line changed to GF Collection by Trek)
    Giant Talon 1
    Giant Talon 2
    GT Zaskar Carbon
    Redline D600
    Redline D660
    Salsa Mukluk (Snow Bike)
    Scott Scale 949
    Specialized Rockstopper (Redesigned)
    Specialized Stumpjumper (Redesigned)
    Trek Sawyer

    FS
    Cannondale Scalpel
    Gary Fisher (entire line changed to GF Collection by Trek)
    Kona Hei Hei (Redesigned)
    Norco Shinobi
    Specialized Camber
    Specialized Epic (Redesigned)

    There others that I am missing...I may update later...

    http://www.bikerumor.com/category/29er/

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    Well, actually, I thought I might try to get one started. It's about that time of the year that you see that kind of thread pop up

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    Edit ..........................
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    Giant Anthem 29er 2011:
    -"2011 Giant FS 29er?" - https://forums.mtbr.com/giant/2011-giant-fs-29er-639589.html
    -"PICS - 2011 Giant Anthem X FS" - https://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/pics-2011-giant-anthem-x-fs-644680.html



    Specialized Epic 29er 2011:
    -"2011 Epic S-Works and S-Works 29" - https://forums.mtbr.com/specialized/2011-epic-s-works-s-works-29-a-629760.html



    Specialized Camber Expert 29 2011:
    - "2011 Specialized Camber? " - https://forums.mtbr.com/specialized/2011-specialized-camber-29er-info-630478.html


    Thats a start.

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    2011 Stumpjumper 29ers:

    Expert:

    Comp Blue:

    Comp Red:
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    Redline 2011 lineup
    https://forums.mtbr.com/redline/redline-2011-lineup-627526.html

    2011 D 680


    2011 D 660


    2011 D 600


    2011 D 440


    2011 Monocog Flight 29er


    2011 Monocog 29er
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    2011 Kona Unit

    I see hills.

    I want to climb them.

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    That Flight speaks to my soul...

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    I'm likin the unit myself. Clean

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    Tomac Diplomat, 120mm trailbike:

    Sent from my HAL 9000

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    Here's a couple more that have my interest

    2011 Canfield Yelli Screamy - https://www.canfieldbrothers.com/products/yelli-screamy

    2011 Specialized Camber Elite 29
    "I ride to clear my head, my head is clearer when I'm riding SS. Therefore, I choose to ride SS."~ Fullrange Drew

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX
    That Flight speaks to my soul...
    The only one so far I lingered over.

    The Cannondales are out there and I have a picture of the Flash Carbon 2 on my desk at work. For the meantime here's the Carbon 1


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    When is Cannondale going to have a FS 29er!!!!
    Me to my riding buddy, "Want to ride this afternoon?"
    Him, "I can't. I have to chop this guys foot off at 2".

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    MARIN CXR 29 Carbon

    The new top of the end of Marin Bikes California.
    Carbon monocoque T3 frame,Fox F29 RL 100mm fork,Sram X9-X0 groupset,FSA SLK seatpost,FSA Stem and Easton Bar,Avid Elixir CR Carbon disc brakes,Sun Ringlè Black Flag 28 wheelset, Continental Race King29 tires.




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    I am going to see some 2011 JAmis bikes today, I will take some pics.

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    for 500 bucks
    the marlin SS looks good
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Nice pics. I am thinking of getting a Felt niner Trail or a Specialized hardrock disc 29er. I like the way the Felt looks. Any pics of these bikes are appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joepa150
    Nice pics. I am thinking of getting a Felt niner Trail or a Specialized hardrock disc 29er. I like the way the Felt looks. Any pics of these bikes are appreciated.
    Here ya go... https://www.bikerumor.com/2010/07/28...ter-than-ever/




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    I have posted it here in the forum already but it fits in here as well:
    The redesigned OSBikes Blackbuck - now even in different sizes.

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    the 2011 ByStickel's are sweet.... i think he's building those now if you sweet talk him.




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    EVO lineup

    details on Specialized EVO - https://www.sicklines.com/2010/08/12...ed-evo-lineup/

    Epic EVO R 29


    Stumpjumper HT Carbon EVO R 29



    Stumpjumper HT EVO 29


    Stumpjumper 29

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    Quote Originally Posted by chase1963

    Looks great. This may be the one.

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    GT 2011 MTB Catalog (found it on google)

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/35173599/GT-2011-mtb-forum-it

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    So many hartails and so few full sussies? Why?

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    2011 Felt Nine Sport

    Quote Originally Posted by joepa150
    Looks great. This may be the one.
    There is also a Felt Nine Sport...

    http://www.meridian-cycles.com/2011_FELT_NINE_SERIES

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce9er
    There is also a Felt Nine Sport...

    http://www.meridian-cycles.com/2011_FELT_NINE_SERIES

    I'm pretty the Felt Nine Sport is the entry model ?

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    that spec evo looks pretty stealth

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    Just went to post the 2011 Trek/Fisher Rig... but it's not on the website anymore?!

    edit: it's back...

    I have an XXL (23") on order. Anyone have any non-stock photos?
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    OS Blackbuck in different sizes? Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse?
    Crunchy. Even in mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chase1963
    I'm pretty the Felt Nine Sport is the entry model ?
    From what I have been readin the Felt Nine Trail is there entry model at $599 unless the Sport will be cheaper. They probably would have mentioned that though.

    http://www.bikerumor.com/2010/07/28/...ter-than-ever/

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    Quote Originally Posted by iscarrr
    Thanks, haven't seen this pic before. I have one on order based on specs but pretty much site unseen. I'll guess an October arrival. I'll be happy to get rid of the white grips, stem, saddle and the red wheel decals and then I'm all over that bike.

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    I saw a picture today of the 2011 Spez S-Works 29er Carbon SS. Completely stealth black including fork. It looked like all the logos were ghosted on the frame and fork. The fork is a 90mm travel Rock Shox with Spez inertia valve brain technology and carbon tapered steerer. The rear dropouts looked like very compact sliders. BB30 too. There may also be a new small size 15.5? It looked really good. This is all from a small picture and conversations with Spez reps. We will know soon enough.

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    Yes, all Specialized 29er's will now be available in a size Small.

    That Epic pic above is of the Epic Carbon 29 Expert with the the Comp in the background.

    Here's some info on the S-Works Epic....

    Cheers!
    Attached Files Attached Files

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    Man oh man...love the stealth of this Stumpjumper 29er EVO.





    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...nuItemId=14871

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    Looks like the year of the 500 buck 29er.
    Trek and Felt and I'm sure Fuji will all have one . Specy are as usual a 100 bucks more.
    I have a feeling we will see the low end get lower and the high end get higher (in price).

    But do you really want to start out on a altus/alivio or x-4 equipped bike with tektro brakes?

    If that all you can afford sure but I would advised go one step up from the bottom.

    We already have the a marlin 29 SS in stock for 500 bucks.
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    Looks like the year of the 500 buck 29er.
    Trek and Felt and I'm sure Fuji will all have one . Specy are as usual a 100 bucks more.
    I have a feeling we will see the low end get lower and the high end get higher (in price).

    But do you really want to start out on a altus/alivio or x-4 equipped bike with tektro brakes?

    If that all you can afford sure but I would advised go one step up from the bottom.

    We already have the a marlin 29 SS in stock for 500 bucks.
    The Marlin MSRP is $599. Do you guys normally knock of $99 from a new bike?
    They do not do that where I live. I would be lucky to get $99 off a 2010.

    I do have a budget so I am going to have to start out with an X-4 equiped 29er with Tektro brakes. I don't think that I will have any problems with this setup but I wish I can go up a step but the LBS around here sell MSRP on new bikes.

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    Does anyone else agree with me the 2011 'Gary Fisher Line' for trek are just ugly as all get out? o.O

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    Yeah, I'm a fan of the simple one-color, small sticker look myself.

    Not sure where some of these heinous paint schemes and billboard stickers come from. Maybe their designer worked at NASCAR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joepa150
    The Marlin MSRP is $599. Do you guys normally knock of $99 from a new bike?
    They do not do that where I live. I would be lucky to get $99 off a 2010.

    I do have a budget so I am going to have to start out with an X-4 equiped 29er with Tektro brakes. I don't think that I will have any problems with this setup but I wish I can go up a step but the LBS around here sell MSRP on new bikes.
    599 is the advertised price msrp is 549
    Its a good bike for the money just think where you will be at in the next year or 2. is this bike all you want or are going to get upgraditis? I'm just sayin spendin a little more now could save money in the future.
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man
    Yeah, I'm a fan of the simple one-color, small sticker look myself.

    Not sure where some of these heinous paint schemes and billboard stickers come from. Maybe their designer worked at NASCAR?
    What are you talking about?
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Are there any non-suspension corrected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lhart
    Are there any non-suspension corrected?
    you could do this:

    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Sorry if I wasn't clear (not shocking, if you knew me!), but I mean designed from the get-go to not be susp. corrected.
    Like a McClung.
    !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lhart
    Sorry if I wasn't clear (not shocking, if you knew me!), but I mean designed from the get-go to not be susp. corrected.
    Like a McClung.
    !!!

    Ragley makes a non sus corrected 29er, search this site there's a thread with a beaut in it.
    wherever you go, there you are

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    Quote Originally Posted by rojogonzo
    Ragley makes a non sus corrected 29er, search this site there's a thread with a beaut in it.
    you mean this?

    found here https://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.p...ht=ragley+td-1
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    599 is the advertised price msrp is 549
    Its a good bike for the money just think where you will be at in the next year or 2. is this bike all you want or are going to get upgraditis? I'm just sayin spendin a little more now could save money in the future.
    Sorry for my ignorance but can you explain yourself a little more. Trek clearly lists on their website a MSRP of $599 for the GF collection Marlin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joepa150
    Sorry for my ignorance but can you explain yourself a little more. Trek clearly lists on their website a MSRP of $599 for the GF collection Marlin.
    Most companies have an MSRP and then a "suggested selling price"

    In this instance Trek have the MSRP as $599 but I bet in the retailer book it suggests the selling price as $549.

    Just more confusion for the consumer

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    Quote Originally Posted by driver bob
    Most companies have an MSRP and then a "suggested selling price"

    In this instance Trek have the MSRP as $599 but I bet in the retailer book it suggests the selling price as $549.

    Just more confusion for the consumer
    It makes it hard for the consumer. I will not pay MSRP, period. I just don't want to be an [email protected] and demand a lower price.

    Anyway to find out the suggested selling price?

    Is this the case for almost all brands of bikes (have a lower selling price than MSRP)?

    If they offer MSRP should I just come out and ask what the suggested selling price is and tell them that I know it is lower than MSRP?

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    Tough one to answer. I agree that it's a PITA but some stores may already display the suggested price.

    Also remember that margins on bikes are very small, you'll get a better discount on accessories purchased along with the bike.

    If you go in "guns blazing" you may not get very far, certainly I did not react well to customers like that when I was selling bikes.

    If you can build a good package up then the shop should have more room to help you out so everyone goes away happy with the deal.

    Finally: For some buyers store reputation is more important out-the-door price. A great deal is one thing but if their after sales service sucks then the short term $$ benefit might end up costing more in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joepa150
    It makes it hard for the consumer. I will not pay MSRP, period. I just don't want to be an [email protected] and demand a lower price.

    Anyway to find out the suggested selling price?

    Is this the case for almost all brands of bikes (have a lower selling price than MSRP)?

    If they offer MSRP should I just come out and ask what the suggested selling price is and tell them that I know it is lower than MSRP?
    MSRP is just that "suggested retail"

    bob is right do not come in and start negotiating unless you are ready to buy it that day.
    You can always ask if the shop is firm on their prices. at our shop some bikes we take the wiggle room out to begin with. So I'm not negotiating on a bike that I've already come down on.
    Some other bigger ticket items I have more room to negotiate and since you don't sell that many Superfly 100"s the shop might be willing to come down off the list price.

    at the shop where I work we do not get commission on sales so if you are being a dick and asking for unreasonable discounts the moment you walk in you'll get the cold shoulder.
    In my experience this type customer keeps demanding and end up sucking all the time and profit you have to give them, until they are finally not satisfied and then want their money back, and we do, just to get rid of them.
    As a sales person I try to give the customer reasonable expectations regarding pricing if I can go low and my manager approves I love giving people deals.
    Hope this helps.Just have some common sense and treat people nice, chances are the dude you are talking to ain't making $hit and is just there for the shop deals. In other words I'm not your effing servant! (for ten bucks an hour)
    It's not a cake job. I'm not saying that its easy being a customer either, the bike business is messed up, nobody makes much money except the big corporation, but don't hate on the player hate the game.
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Now for something a bit different. Price TBA. Hickory.


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    Quote Originally Posted by de lars cuevas
    Tomac Diplomat, 120mm trailbike
    Tomac ran out of gun-themed names so the new bike is the "diplomat"?

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    Just found this on the '11 Felts!!!! New site will be live on 9/1
    http://www.bikerumor.com/2010/08/25/...-specs-photos/

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    New question here. L T D?

    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Just found this on the '11 Felts!!!! New site will be live on 9/1
    http://www.bikerumor.com/2010/08/25/...-specs-photos/
    Wonder what happened to the Felt Nine LTD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Just found this on the '11 Felts!!!! New site will be live on 9/1
    http://www.bikerumor.com/2010/08/25/...-specs-photos/
    Thanks for the link. This seems to answer my previous question about what is the entry model Felt Niner. It looks like the Trail is the $599 and the Sport is $899.

    The more and more I look at felt bikes, the more and more I think that they have one of if not the nicest looking line of bikes for 2011.

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    um,bike shops dont make much money???

    Guess your shop is not doing well. I have 2 freids that own shops and parts mark up is usually double what it cost them and higher end bikes they make more money on the bike than my buddies do on new motorcycles when they sell them.

    Scott bikes have HUGE margins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog
    um,bike shops dont make much money???

    Guess your shop is not doing well. I have 2 freids that own shops and parts mark up is usually double what it cost them and higher end bikes they make more money on the bike than my buddies do on new motorcycles when they sell them.

    Scott bikes have HUGE margins.
    right....my local race team is sponsored by a LBS....and we get stuff at cost. So for example, a 2011 Giant XTC 1 29er or Specialized Stumpjumper Comp 29er which both retail for about $1900 MSRP can be had for $1285 at team discount, which is basically store's cost

    Not saying you should be able to get a discount like this....but my point is there is a TON of profit in bikes....

    This year there appeared to be very short supply, more buyers than bikes, because I think everyone was wary about a bad economy so deals are harder to get.

    maybe they will ramp up production for 2011...

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    Quote Originally Posted by joepa150
    Thanks for the link. This seems to answer my previous question about what is the entry model Felt Niner. It looks like the Trail is the $599 and the Sport is $899.

    The more and more I look at felt bikes, the more and more I think that they have one of if not the nicest looking line of bikes for 2011.
    Yeah I am thinking the same thing.... I am waiting for the site to go live next week to compare all the components but looks like the cost for the Sport is going to outway the benefits received by the Trail. One review that I read somewhere said the first thing to upgrade on the Trail was the shock, that SR Suntour is complete garbage and guy almost ruined it during a test ride event. And truthfully I like the looks of the Sport better than the Trail, seems the Trail is nothing more than a "stretched" '10 Q620.

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    Redline

    Did anyone look at Redline? They will have 6 29'ers for 2011!

    http://www.redlinebicycles.com/bikes/mtb

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarsellone
    Did anyone look at Redline? They will have 6 29'ers for 2011!

    http://www.redlinebicycles.com/bikes/mtb
    Last ones a 26. Get it outta here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gretababy
    right....my local race team is sponsored by a LBS....and we get stuff at cost. So for example, a 2011 Giant XTC 1 29er or Specialized Stumpjumper Comp 29er which both retail for about $1900 MSRP can be had for $1285 at team discount, which is basically store's cost

    Not saying you should be able to get a discount like this....but my point is there is a TON of profit in bikes....
    Factor in:

    Rent, utilities, employee wages, taxes, wear and tear on tools etc etc. The difference between cost and retail is not pure profit for the shop owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koppuh Klyde
    Last ones a 26. Get it outta here!
    LOL. I know. those are the 2010's, I just seen the 2011 & they added another model for a total of 6. Price points are crazy good! I think they are aiming for fall release. Have to wait for Eurobike to see the models. Few day's away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarsellone
    Did anyone look at Redline? They will have 6 29'ers for 2011!

    http://www.redlinebicycles.com/bikes/mtb
    Check out page 1 of this thread.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?...83&postcount=8

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacerLex
    Thanks for the pic's. I really like the D680. waiting on pricing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    you could do this:

    Hey! Thats my bike.
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    Felt 2011 Nine series looks to be on website now.

    http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2011...ne-Series.aspx

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    One of these just showed up at my shop, might end up replacing my 2010 stumpy 26'r and make me switch over to the 29'r bandwagon



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    Quote Originally Posted by conbon
    One of these just showed up at my shop, might end up replacing my 2010 stumpy 26'r and make me switch over to the 29'r bandwagon



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    I am sure that is way out of my price range but I love the color scheme.

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    Like the Color!

    Quote Originally Posted by joepa150
    I am sure that is way out of my price range but I love the color scheme.
    $1950 Complete...not bad...
    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...cname=Mountain

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    Epic Comp 29

    First, please pardon all the cross-posting; I felt it was relevant to a few threads and am, I hope understandably, excited about the new ride.
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/uQBvdjAXitP4qC1zWCa4XQ?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_joQ9APolrUA/TIQsbijNENI/AAAAAAAAABY/V8r1jLtFKxc/s800/P1010295.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/112813980635328045350/MTB?feat=embedwebsite">MTB</a></td></tr></table>

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    ya, and a 19" weighs in at 24lbs without pedals...thats as much as my 26" started at!

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    And what about the new Marin Pine Mountain with the Good Old Days' logos?



    What a beautiful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gretababy
    right....my local race team is sponsored by a LBS....and we get stuff at cost. So for example, a 2011 Giant XTC 1 29er or Specialized Stumpjumper Comp 29er which both retail for about $1900 MSRP can be had for $1285 at team discount, which is basically store's cost
    And I'm sure your sponsoring shop is really happy you're on the internet, telling all it's regular Joe customers, how "hosed" they're getting. I'm sure that's really driving profits to the store, which is the reason they give you a deal, so they get some positive PR from it's team guys.

    Bonnie Raitt said it best, " women be wise, keep your mouth shut, don't advertise your man..."
    This is a Pugs not some carbon wannabee pretzel wagon!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    And I'm sure your sponsoring shop is really happy you're on the internet, telling all it's regular Joe customers, how "hosed" they're getting. I'm sure that's really driving profits to the store, which is the reason they give you a deal, so they get some positive PR from it's team guys.

    Bonnie Raitt said it best, " women be wise, keep your mouth shut, don't advertise your man..."
    Second that!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Root
    And what about the new Marin Pine Mountain with the Good Old Days' logos?



    What a beautiful!

    I like that bike A LOT! Nice look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarsellone
    Second that!!!
    Ow come on... this is silly.

    It is no secret there is a significant gap between consumers' prices and what the store pays. How do you think they make a profit? By the way: Did you know that the bike business is not the only business making profit? Scary thought, right?

    Negotiate, buy or don't buy. It is your descision, which is why nothing can be morally wrong about profit margins. If you think they are too high, start a bike shop yourself.

    People getting 'hosed', because a bike store does not give away most of their margin... please... It is your right to choose. It is not a right you get stuff for B2B prices.

    If you can learn anything from Gretababy, it is: Get fit, get into a racing team and get some great deals.

    ...that Marin is super nice!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeroenK
    People getting 'hosed', because a bike store does not give away most of their margin... please... It is your right to choose. It is not a right you get stuff for B2B prices.
    So we get into the whole LBS vs Interweb thing. Whatever, it's been discussed to death.

    Sure, if I want to run my shop, regardless of what I'm selling, by giving all my customers stuff at the same price I paid, yep, I could, it's my right to do so. But how long will I be *in business* once everybody got their deals, went home, and I still need to keep the lights on, and pay the rent? By telling the whole world what pricing is, and therefore, what profit you make, gives them a stilted and incomplete view of the whole picture.

    Sure, there is no law prohibiting wholesale pricing from being talked about in public, but it is in poor taste, with regard to the shop who's giving someone a good deal in exchange for racing sponsorship. Their part of the deal is to have sweet gear, ride it hard, talk it up, and tell folks what a great shop they are sponsored by, so the shop sees more customers walking through the door.

    I think that most industries who function on the ability to make a profit from something they make, or sell, tend to discourage the open sharing of that info, or it simply becomes a race to the bottom, where no one makes any money for anything, and that is good, why?

    It's kinda like talking about what happened in Vegas on your buddies bachelor party, around all their girlfriends or wives, some things are just better left unsaid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith

    Sure, there is no law prohibiting wholesale pricing from being talked about in public, but it is in poor taste
    ....Nail - head....

    Scroll back up to my post #63 in this thread. It's really really naive to think that the difference between wholesale and retail is all profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    So we get into the whole LBS vs Interweb thing. Whatever, it's been discussed to death.

    Sure, if I want to run my shop, regardless of what I'm selling, by giving all my customers stuff at the same price I paid, yep, I could, it's my right to do so. But how long will I be *in business* once everybody got their deals, went home, and I still need to keep the lights on, and pay the rent? By telling the whole world what pricing is, and therefore, what profit you make, gives them a stilted and incomplete view of the whole picture.

    Sure, there is no law prohibiting wholesale pricing from being talked about in public, but it is in poor taste, with regard to the shop who's giving someone a good deal in exchange for racing sponsorship. Their part of the deal is to have sweet gear, ride it hard, talk it up, and tell folks what a great shop they are sponsored by, so the shop sees more customers walking through the door.

    I think that most industries who function on the ability to make a profit from something they make, or sell, tend to discourage the open sharing of that info, or it simply becomes a race to the bottom, where no one makes any money for anything, and that is good, why?

    It's kinda like talking about what happened in Vegas on your buddies bachelor party, around all their girlfriends or wives, some things are just better left unsaid.
    Very well said!!

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    Good job! Agree...

    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    So we get into the whole LBS vs Interweb thing. Whatever, it's been discussed to death.

    Sure, if I want to run my shop, regardless of what I'm selling, by giving all my customers stuff at the same price I paid, yep, I could, it's my right to do so. But how long will I be *in business* once everybody got their deals, went home, and I still need to keep the lights on, and pay the rent? By telling the whole world what pricing is, and therefore, what profit you make, gives them a stilted and incomplete view of the whole picture.

    Sure, there is no law prohibiting wholesale pricing from being talked about in public, but it is in poor taste, with regard to the shop who's giving someone a good deal in exchange for racing sponsorship. Their part of the deal is to have sweet gear, ride it hard, talk it up, and tell folks what a great shop they are sponsored by, so the shop sees more customers walking through the door.

    I think that most industries who function on the ability to make a profit from something they make, or sell, tend to discourage the open sharing of that info, or it simply becomes a race to the bottom, where no one makes any money for anything, and that is good, why?

    It's kinda like talking about what happened in Vegas on your buddies bachelor party, around all their girlfriends or wives, some things are just better left unsaid.
    I, personally, agree with this. I like to support local & small business. I have posed this question in a similar, yet different way before...

    I have a Web LBS nearby that matches other web prices (not everyone can say they are supporting their local economy this way...). I also look at other LBS and smaller bike enterprises across the nation. I support an LBS, it just happens to be in another state 2000-miles away.

    I also understand we live in a day and age with Wally World & Mickey Ds, volume discounts, volume pricing, volume everything...do I shop at these types of places? Yes (although, not fast food), as rarely as possible. We have a "stimulate the economy" mentality in our house...we try and purchase local; we look for items we like and not just those that are on sale or just for discount purposes; no coupons or discounts unless they are offered w/o request; etc...YMMV...

    Anywho, when it comes to specialty items, such as bicycles, I would rather buy from a mom & pop type LBS with a good reputation & business plan, than a volume discount, even if it costs a little more. I do not sacrifice quality or compromise service. I pay a premium for these and do not mind doing so.

    P.S. - MCS, I wish your site had a mobile option, so I can view it w/o flash...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce9er
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    Thanks, you picked up exactly what I was putting down

    As for the website, I could, but I'd have to raise my prices
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    loooove the marin 29er!!!!

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    That Marin is sweet! Nice and clean old school graphics. I like Fishers and all but I have to say that Specialized by far has the nicest and expansive line of bikes out for a major company.

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    +1 for the Pine Mountain (apart the green details)
    ...but what happen to SS Pine Mountain ???????
    I want this wonderful blue with EBB, please!
    Last edited by selin; 09-21-2010 at 08:11 AM.

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    ....and this Ti Marin, only for US


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    I can now finally post my 29er



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    Quote Originally Posted by joepa150
    I can now finally post my 29er

    Happy ride!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gretababy
    right....my local race team is sponsored by a LBS....and we get stuff at cost. So for example, a 2011 Giant XTC 1 29er or Specialized Stumpjumper Comp 29er which both retail for about $1900 MSRP can be had for $1285 at team discount, which is basically store's cost

    Not saying you should be able to get a discount like this....but my point is there is a TON of profit in bikes....

    .
    So you think making $615 on a $1900 sale is a Ton of profit? But wait before you answer that how about just adding some costs incurred by the shop so you could get your team deal, like shipping, and costs to build the bike, how about getting esoteric and factoring the cost of money as in the financing to buy all those team bikes. Your ton is weighing less.
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Trek Sawyer with Gates new belt drive system




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    Quote Originally Posted by joepa150
    I can now finally post my 29er
    *snip*
    Wow, the trail looks better than I thought. Couldnt really tell what their "midnight blue" color scheme was going to look like from the catalog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Wow, the trail looks better than I thought. Couldnt really tell what their "midnight blue" color scheme was going to look like from the catalog.
    Thanks. On Felt's website it looks to be a dark blue, dark gray, or black color. They call it Matte Deep Slate but to me it looks to be a really dark greenish-blue color. It looks greener and lighter in the sun and darker/bluer out of the sun. My wife said to her it looks black.

    I think it looks like a Dark Slate gray on this wiki page in the sunlight and darker out of the sunlight. Look about half way down the page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_gray

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    New Salsa Spearfish...

    http://www.salsacycles.com/culture/s..._introduction/

    Looks interesting for the money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hondachevy
    New Salsa Spearfish...

    http://www.salsacycles.com/culture/s..._introduction/

    Looks interesting for the money...

    Its MSRP is $2250 why is that interesting?
    unless you are buying the frame for 1k and swapping parts.
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    It looks like a lot for the money.

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    Picked this up yesterday. Rode it for the first time today, and it was amazing... Until the sidewall on the front tire got punctured.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Sweeter!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by CasteelG

    Picked this up yesterday. Rode it for the first time today, and it was amazing... Until the sidewall on the front tire got punctured.
    Nice. Looks great. Enjoy!

    How's the Renegade 29er? Light...but, volume & durability? TIA...

    One step closer...almost there!

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    The 29er Epic Carbon looks really fantastic!

    lŽll visit the LBS tomorrow and snatch my 2011 Stumpjumper 29er FSR Comp!

    IŽll post pics as soon as thereŽs some sun!

    Greetings Znarf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce9er
    Nice. Looks great. Enjoy!

    How's the Renegade 29er? Light...but, volume & durability? TIA...

    One step closer...almost there!
    Thanks guys.

    The Renegade isn't bad. It has much more grip than I expected, however I'm able to get it to break loose while while breaking much easier than the Captain on my old bike.

    I'm hoping my LBS will warranty the front tire... I can't believe that the sidewall blew out on my shakedown run on an easy and smooth trail.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Thanks...

    Quote Originally Posted by CasteelG
    Thanks guys.

    The Renegade isn't bad. It has much more grip than I expected, however I'm able to get it to break loose while while breaking much easier than the Captain on my old bike.

    I'm hoping my LBS will warranty the front tire... I can't believe that the sidewall blew out on my shakedown run on an easy and smooth trail.
    Hoping your LBS is able to hook you up...
    Just called my LBS to demo, they said the official Spesh Epic Comp release date is not for another 9-days...they'll probably have it sooner...
    Until then, I will enjoy reading your ride reports (hint, hint...)

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