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    So I have been riding my On-One Inbred 29er (Purple People Eater) for 3yrs now officially and love my bike. However, as I get older and have more problems with my back I find myself wanting a more plush ride when I actually do those longer rides (last two weekends have been 15+ miles and I have ridden a total of 5 times so far this year). While not bad, and I know it will improve with my fitness level getting back up to where I was I have found that the "nicety" of having a full sus bike has trumped all. So I have been "researching" for a few months now as I have been out of the components and frames game for 2yrs.

    With the recent change of jobs where I am now closer to work than ever I no longer found a need for my dedicated commuter bike (09 Kona Jake). The Jake went for sale on CL and I told myself that if it sold I would then put the money towards a new bike build. It must have been meant to be as the bike sold for full asking no more than 4 days after posting it.

    After many pm's back and forth with Scott @ Switchback Bikes I could not pass up the stellar deal he had left on the Hammerhead Thumper frameset so the order was placed and the frame went out promptly. So promptly that I did not realize that Scott had send via 2-day mail and I was surprised to get it on my doorstep yesterday evening!!!

    So here is the official start of my HH Thumper build. Now this will be a slower build as I am doing this while also working on my 1985 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ60 which is my fun vehicle/dirt dog hauler/mtb hauler/whatever rig and does need to be "functional". Luckily I don't believe this thing would quit on me if she wanted to and I have never found a vehicle I loved more.

    ETA for the finish of the bike will be by my bday in September if at all possible.

    Now on to pics.....


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    See one of the things I now love about this frame/bike is that it is not a true "black" frame like advertised. It is more of a Black Cherry, which brings me to her name, Blackheart as in Joan Jett and the Blackhearts!


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    I didn't get to take many pics as I was rushing to get out of the house for softball but will take more pics tomorrow to get a better idea of the quality of the build. This thing is an ABSOLUTE STEAL for the price.
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    Here is the planned build over the next few months. Since I live in No. NV near Lake Tahoe this will be a 2x10 setup though my riding buddy is trying to convince me that I could pull off a 1x10 setup (and no 1x11 as it is currently to rich for my blood). Again this is a budget build with hopes to keep it at or below the $2k mark with deals from ebay and what not.

    Fork - Depends but will be Manitou (yes I'm a fanboy and they have earned my loyalty). Currently debating on keeping my Tower Pro 100m 9QR for the Inbred or selling it, or Manitou offers a trade-in program where I can get a new Marvel/Minute for fairly cheap.
    Wheels - Pure 29er Gold rims (still looking for confirmation on size bu believe they are 24x19x21.5 EWxIWxH) laced with BHS convertible mtb hubs, Sapim DoubleButted spokes (having my brothers buddy that is a wheel builder do them)
    Headset - debating right now, Zero Stack or something with an actual head. Was going to go with a RealWorldCycling headset but they do not offer a ZeroStack and I am a fan of enduro bearings. Preferably something that is not over $60ish.
    Crankset - Not sure but something that is either 39/26 or 38/24. See what I can find for cheap on ebay, of course will be threaded BB30 for the frame.
    Rear D - Sram X9 10spd
    Front D - Sram X7 10spd compatible
    Shifters- Sram X9 2x10spd
    Cassette - Sram 11-36, probably PG-1050 unless I can find a deal on the PG-1070
    Brakes - Debating but thinking Shimano SLX w/ IceTech or some of the new Hayes brakes. Depends on price and possible Shimano hook-up
    Seatpost - Standard for now but buddy is trying to convince me I need a dropper so looking at the KS e-Ten remote
    Handlebars - Something Gold! Looking at ODI or RaceFace bars. I currently run 690mm flats so it will be a bit of an adjustment for something wider that has rise.
    Tires - GEAX!! Again, another company that has earned my loyalty. Currently running 2.3" Gato (f) and 2.2" Sag (r) but thinking I may end up running the new GOMA front and rear in the 2.25".

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    Sweet! Good surprise seeing this pop up....

    Yeah we did a Black Cherry Clear Coat on over the Black paint....looks awesome when the sunlight hits it right....great job capturing that in the HT pic....

    Look forward to seeing it all come together

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    Thanks guys, yeah I am excited to get it built up and riding it. The color/clear coat will definitely shine in direct sunlight which will make it a very different bike. Definitely going to be a fun build, looks like the new Manitou Minutes will only be coming in black so glad I am going to be doing color elsewhere on the bike.

    Recommendations on an affordable headset? Was looking at the RWC tapered headset ($85 but worth it for the enduro bearings) and the bottom cap is not a zerostack/integrated and looks to add quite a bit of length to the headtube. Wondering if that would change the HTA much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Recommendations on an affordable headset? Was looking at the RWC tapered headset ($85 but worth it for the enduro bearings) and the bottom cap is not a zerostack/integrated and looks to add quite a bit of length to the headtube. Wondering if that would change the HTA much?
    Sorry, that headset isn't compatible...need a ZS 49 upper/56 lower headset for the frame


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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Sorry, that headset isn't compatible...need a ZS 49 upper/56 lower headset for the frame
    Thanks that was the information I was looking for!

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    Just read the above briefly. I really think the 100mm fork will be way too low. The frame is built around 140f/130r and I think dropping the front that much will really mess with the geo.

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    Yeah not keeping the 100mm fork for this, Scott and I talked about that and the other fear is that it wil drop the BB height which could change a lot of things. I will be going for a 120mm fork fully knowing that it will tighten the HTA a bit to approximately 72* (vs the 140mm geo of 68*).

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    I run mine at 130 and it's amazing. I don't see why got wouldn't be fine with a 120


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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Sorry, that headset isn't compatible...need a ZS 49 upper/56 lower headset for the frame


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    Could you confirm this please, the site indicates zs44 top.
    Thanks, Ty

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    Tapatalk fat fingers
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    So looks like this headset is the preferred headset then.
    Cane Creek 40 Series ZS Tapered Headset - Tapered ZS44|ZS56/40
    or this FSA headset

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    Go with the Cane Creek 40....
    Nothing against the FSA....I just like the guys from NC




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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    I run mine at 130 and it's amazing. I don't see why got wouldn't be fine with a 120


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    I run mine at 130 as well and I love it!
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    Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Just found these leftover parts from the Bike Shop in my garage.....hhhmmm



    X9 2x10 shifters
    XO 2x10 high-direct mount front der
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    Nice!

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    Measured weight today of frame, shock, and maxle and came in at 7.4lbs per my scale. Pretty much spot on with what Scott @ Switchback has stated in other threads.

    Finally heard from BWW about their wheels and the gold colored PURE 29 rim comes in a 20(H)x24.5(wo)x18.5(wi) totaling 550g with coating. Looks like they are pretty much the same dimensions as the ZTR ARCH EX so for what I am planning to do with the bike they should be just fine. I had been debating if I wanted to go with something wider like my old school Stans Flows but at 28 wide I almost think that is a bit wide and I only weigh 190# (when I had the Flows built I weighed in at 220).

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    Got the bike out today and got a chance to really look it over. The quality on this thing is phenomenal from my viewpoint, welds are like stack of dimes and integrity seems great. The design seems very well thought out and my bolts were all tight. Looking it over there is no weird spots in the paint and clear/pc, just a great looking bike.

    Some more pics, working on the logistics to start getting stuff for it but most of the bigger stuff will have to wait until after my wife's work trip to NYC in June.

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    damn...I wish the HH closeout deal was around when I bought my Yelli frame.

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    What camera are you using? I can't follow the links to your Flickr.

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    Using a Canon EOS-M. Yeah inadvertently had the album set to friends only.

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    Copycat! Haha, kidding man.

    Pictures look great! Nice choice on Manitou suspension, its very underrated.

    Could you talk about the hub and rim choice? Ive never heard of either.

    For headsets, personally I went with Loaded Precision. Never tried any of their product, so I figured it would be a good time to. They are pricey, but people say they are on the same level as Cane Creek 110.

    EDIT: I see you did give some more info on the rims. Whats your riding style? I'm 185 geared up, and going with a beefier rim. Take drops up to 4ft HTF, and some very nasty rock gardens. I think I've narrowed down to WTB i25s or Carbon rims .

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    Great job on the pics!


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    Quote Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post
    damn...I wish the HH closeout deal was around when I bought my Yelli frame.
    Me too


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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Using a Canon EOS-M. Yeah inadvertently had the album set to friends only.
    Man I need to stop buying glass for my nikon so I can justify switching to canon. Haha ok sorry I will end my thread jack now. Can't wait to see more pics as the bike comes together.

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    LOL.. Nikon is still great but I like Canon stuff better. My family has used Canon since my dad bought his first camera in college so it is kinda engrained in me. The little EOS-M is a stellar camera and the quality of the 22mm F/2 lens that you can get for it is amazing.

    For me, talking about cameras/photography, women, old cars, and mtbing are never considered thread jacks!
    This is one of my favorite pics when I first got that lens... focal point was outside corner of his eye.
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    HA! Awesome....+1 on the never a thread jack topics

    Killer pic!


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    Ok just to confirm (since no one has answered my thread in the drivetrain section) mixing Shimano and SRAM drivetrain items is not an issue anymore is it? Looking at doing XT crank and cassette with the rest being SRAM.

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    10spd?


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    Yes.

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    Cool....yeah should all work w/ no issues
    Just don't try to combine SRAM/Shimano Shifters/Derailleurs


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    This is still one of my favorite shots, and it's thread relevant!

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    Yeah would more than likely be all SRAM except for the Front D which is how I have my bike setup right now only 9spd. Never used Ribble before but they have some stellar deals, like $101 for XT crank (26/39) with free shipping to the US.

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    Oh wow...that's a killer deal...
    I can't even get XT cranks for that price

    Maybe I should use them as an OE Source....HA


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    Yeah just did the order....
    SLX crankset with 26/38 $101
    SLX brakeset (no rotors) $123
    XT Cassette 11-36T $47
    All with free shipping to the US. Probably take a bit to get here but I am in no hurry.


    EDIT: Wrong crankset... the XT is $150 the SLX is $101, still not bad though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Ok just to confirm (since no one has answered my thread in the drivetrain section) mixing Shimano and SRAM drivetrain items is not an issue anymore is it? Looking at doing XT crank and cassette with the rest being SRAM.
    I do it all day long. Freewheels and derailleurs too.

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    yeah I figured that the should have been any sudden issues that came up from 9spd to 10spd (I know there are some issues with 9spd items and 10spd items mixed together) so if nothing else I can always sell the parts on ebay and make my money back but I am stoked to get them all new. This will be my first build where the majority of the parts are new.

    @TwoNin9r - Yeah that is a great shot! Still completely blown away by this little camera and the 22m lens, it has stellar optics for a $100 lens, hell even for a $400 lens. I know that it does better than some of my more expensive glass. And Samyang/Rokinon just released a EF-M set of lenses for this camera, one being a 12mm! If it is even close to what they normally put out it will be killer and their new lenses are being designed specifically for mirrorless APS-C camera to boot.

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    Got confirmation from Ribble that stuff is on its way and should be here next week (says 3-7 business days to the US). I am going to have to keep an eye on their site for some good deals.

    Next thing in my basket is I found a SRAM X0 Long cage rear derailleur for $140 on Amazon. Since this is a cheap ass price from what I can tell I am tempted to just grab it but want to let the smoking account settle down a bit. But again, I cant find even used ones for half that price and a new X9 (even used) will run me $80-$100ish. The main reason I am looking at the X0 is that my jockey wheels get dirty and nasty and the X0 allows for the jockeys to be easily changed out, but the X9 you have to buy only proprietary SRAM one's, no aftermarket available.

    And I found some pics to give you and idea of what i am looking at for wheels, just have to decided if I want a white colored fork or black colored fork (I know, first world problems).

    These are Mavic Crossmax Enduro wheels.....
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    Was originally leaning towards the white fork, but thinking that it may look a little more sick with the all black everything and then a few accents (like gold handlebars, seatpost ring)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    EDIT: I see you did give some more info on the rims. Whats your riding style? I'm 185 geared up, and going with a beefier rim. Take drops up to 4ft HTF, and some very nasty rock gardens. I think I've narrowed down to WTB i25s or Carbon rims .
    @FastBanana.... Living where I do I have everything from flowy singletrack to hard, rocky AM trails (look up Mr. Toads Wild Ride in Tahoe and the Flume Trail). Most of what I ride on a regular basis is what I would consider "trail" riding, some flowy singletrack that has rock gardens, climbs, small 1-2' drops and what not all thrown in. One of the rides that I will be definitely doing on this is about a 25mile ride that is relatively flat (over the ride) but is trail riding in the trees, that then turns into some boulder technical descents though some boulder/rock gates then back to flowy climbs and descents. Really I am quite lucky where I live with tons of trail variety all within a couple hour drive.

    Oh and I run about 195ish loaded up in my normal kit and going to add a pack this year (Osprey Raptor 10) so probably will add another 5ish #s. So probably call me 200 all kitted up. Riding is a little bit of everything again, not super aggressive but I will not shy going through a rock garden, just might take it slower than anything.

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    I was curious because it looks like.a dated rim profile. Why not go with a modern rim and get it PCed if you want a blue one? Stans does custom colors for a upcharge as well.

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    Yeah I want gold rims and was planning on going with Kinlin's but they no longer PC them for you. I was thinking about doing that and going with a better rim like the WTB i23 rim and then having a company locally PC it for me. The rims are going to be one of the last things that I get so not in a huge hurry and the BWWs were the right price for already being PCd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Yeah I want gold rims and was planning on going with Kinlin's but they no longer PC them for you. I was thinking about doing that and going with a better rim like the WTB i23 rim and then having a company locally PC it for me. The rims are going to be one of the last things that I get so not in a huge hurry and the BWWs were the right price for already being PCd.
    They are anodized. PCing a rim will add 50 grams. But those rims are awful. I would.go.local or get the custom stans rims.

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    Thanks for the info FastBanana, BWW always has good reviews on their builds but guess that doesn't say anything about the rims. I am looking at either WTB i23 or Halo Disc (both recommended by my wheelbuilder for my weight and riding).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Thanks for the info FastBanana, BWW always has good reviews on their builds but guess that doesn't say anything about the rims. I am looking at either WTB i23 or Halo Disc (both recommended by my wheelbuilder for my weight and riding).
    I forgot about Halo. If I dont get carbon rims, I would love to have some in gold ano

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    Yeah they are on sale at Cambria bike right now so may just do it to get the sale price.


    EDIT: Eh... said eff it and bought the Halo Disc, can't go wrong for $39.99 each (same cost as the BWW rims). Will call the local PC and see how much it would be to get them PC'd gold. Weight on the website says 480g/ea so even with the 50g extra per wheel of PC it would still come out to only 530g which is what I believe my Stans Flow weight right now. Not going weight weenie though so not a huge deal. But definitely don't want this thing to be an Iron Pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Yeah they are on sale at Cambria bike right now so may just do it to get the sale price.


    EDIT: Eh... said eff it and bought the Halo Disc, can't go wrong for $39.99 each (same cost as the BWW rims). Will call the local PC and see how much it would be to get them PC'd gold. Weight on the website says 480g/ea so even with the 50g extra per wheel of PC it would still come out to only 530g which is what I believe my Stans Flow weight right now. Not going weight weenie though so not a huge deal. But definitely don't want this thing to be an Iron Pig.
    Those rims dont looks tubeless friendly

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    Will try ghetto tubeless and if not then Stans kit will fix that. Not a big issue to me.

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    here's mine

    Thought I'd share a picture of mine to keep you motivated. Bought my frame late last year from the good folks at Velorangutan (formerly Pink Gorilla Bikes). It's a medium in the gray color. Build highlights are Rock Shox Revelation 140, Sun Charger Pro wheelset, KS Supernatural post, Shimano Zee rear derailleur and shifter, Sram X7 front D and shifter, Answer Pro Taper 800mm carbon bars, Shimano Zee brakes (not in picture), SLX cranks, Answer Rove pedals, Race Face 50mm stem. Awesome bike if I do say so myself. Incredible climbing traction and descends like a beast. Tons of fun in Virginia's George Washington National Forest near Harrisonburg.
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    Very nice @snug dug.... that is the build that I am going after, no real concern of weight just a fun all around bike. I think with the stuff I have been picking so far I will end up having a stellar bike for right around $2k.

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    Very nice @snug dug.... that is the build that I am going after, no real concern of weight just a fun all around bike. I think with the stuff I have been picking so far I will end up having a stellar bike for right around $2k.
    Yup. I wanted solid. Not wispy. A workingman's build.

    Of course, if I had the coin, I would have put a Rock Shox Pike on it

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    Thought this was kind of funny... been looking at a new rack because I have a cheapo one that the bikes hang from the top tube, fine for my ht and for when I had the Kona Jake, but sucked for our cruisers and now going to suck for the Thumper.

    Always liked the Kuat NV/NV Core and so was looking at an old article that compared the two (both great and pretty much a tie based on the $100 price increase for the extra features)..

    Anyway, first picture of the rack ends up having a Thumper on the back! LOL. Here's the article...

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    HA! Awesome!

    Marc at Bike Rumor did a review of the Thumper when they first came out.....he had some great things to say about it! Now we know how he got the Thumper to the trailhead

    First Rides: Hammerhead?s Hard-Charging Thumper Trail Bike

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    Well hoping the big brown truck will show up with a couple of deliveries for me today. I have one confirmed which is the HALO Disc 29r rims that were recommended by my wheelbuilder (can't go wrong for $39/ea plus free shipping). These are between the Stan's NoTube ARCH EX and FLOW EX at 26mm external width and 20.5mm internal width and 18.5mm deep/tall. Though nothing says they are "tubeless ready" but I will probably go ghetto tubeless first and if that doesnt work I will do a Stans system. I love the Flows on my current HT but they are a bit wide and heavy for my general riding and the Stans BST beadseat is a b#@*% when it comes to my favorite tires, GEAX. And really at 480g per rim (yes I will weigh them).... you cant go wrong.

    The other box will contain my items from Ribble bike; my SLX Crankset, SLX Brakeset and XT Cassette.

    So far I have come up with the following for my buildout over the next couple months and hoping that I can swing it before the 4th of July but that may be a bit agressive for the wallet....

    Handlebars - ODI Flight Control 740mm
    Headset - CaneCreek 40 series ZS40
    Stem - Randome 60mm (probably try the 70mm on my HT first few rides to see how it does)
    Grips - Lizardskinz Peaty Lock-ons
    Seatpost - Kind Shock eTen (you win Denis and TwoNin9r)
    Saddle - Charge Spoon
    Front D - Sram X7 High Direct Mount
    Rear D - Sram X9 Long Cage
    Brake Rotors - Shimano SLX (possibly IceTech if I can find a good price)
    Tires - GEAX Goma 2.25"
    Fork - ?????

    Now the last is the big one for me as that is going to be the next biggest expense to the frame itself. I am not a fan of FOX products for multiple personal reasons so unless the deal is too good to pass up then I will not be going with any FOX products. While I am not against RockShox I feel that they have become similar to FOX in recent years and are getting "too big for their britches" so to speak. Case-in-point go to any Classifieds on PinkBike, here, ebay, wherever and you will find that 80% of the forks/shocks being sold are FOX or RS. And on top of this they still demand a high margin.

    I currently run a 2011 Manitou Tower Pro 100mm FIRM spring fork and absolutely love it. The small bump compliance, smooth mid stroke, progressive ramp up on travel usage and tuneability all make this an incredible fork for me and my "geeky" side. However, Manitou has dropped the TOWER name for the 2014 year and split the line between the MINUTE and MARVEL. The Minute is more XC/Trail focused while the Marvel is more XC race focused using different damper and spring technologies. One of the main draws of the Manitou originally is that you could buy a new fork with such good reviews for HALF of what RS or FOX wanted for their mid-tier or low-tier forks, alas this seems to be no more as the MSRP for the MINUTE and MARVEL are both in the $650-$700 range. Once they are released we will see if that sticks. My main concern is that this bike is built around a 130mm+ geometry and I have heard tail of the 140mm Tower Pro being a bit laterally flexy. Whether this is true or not I do not know but am apprehensive.

    The other two I have been looking at are the White Brothers Loop and the X-Fusion Slide/Trace. All of these offer internal adjustability between 120mm and 140mm which would allow me to geek out with my comparisons. Both have gotten really good reviews like the Manitou AND are comparably priced (I bought my Tower Pro for $276 new to my door) to the Manitou of old. So again, as this is a budget build I will find what has the best pricepoint and ROI for me and go from there.

    Sorry for the wall of text!

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    Sounds like a plan!

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    Thought that I would throw this in the loop... I know that I talk a lot about being so close to Lake Tahoe California and that is where I ride a lot for justification as to what I will be doing with this bike. So here are some videos with the trails I will ride and have ridden....

    Mr. Toad's Wild Ride (California side)

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    Freel Ridge to Armstrong and Corral

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    Van Sickle (newer trail)

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    Tahoe Rim Trail (connects with the Flume at multiple intersections)

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    Donner Commerative Emigrant Trail (pretty smooth flowy singletrack)

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    @gregnash....awesome info on your targeted build. Very well thought out....

    As for the videos and where you get to ride regularly

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    LOL... Well I am just lucky that I have this much literally in my backyard.

    Got the Halo Disc 29rs today and they are nice looking rims. Pulled them out and weighed them both right about 500g (one looked to be 490ish and the other a smidge over 500). So they should make for some nice rims. Of course got them all packed back up and put away to realize I didn't take pics. D'OH

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    That was some sweet riding. I need a go pro so i can post up some vids of my local colorado gnar.

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    FastBanana - post up some pics of your local rides. Hoping that I can get out to Steamboat next year with the Thumper in tow. Colorado was my very first "real" mtb ride and the reason I fell in love with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    I have heard tail of the 140mm Tower Pro being a bit laterally flexy. Whether this is true or not I do not know but am apprehensive.
    Under my weight it was flexy. I realized how bad it really was once I got a Fox 34 on there. I also couldn't get an XX firm spring which didn't help. It was OK on my hardtail, but one ride on the Thumper was enough to know I needed a different fork. Look for a good deal on a Trace, or a used Fox 34 or Pike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    FastBanana - post up some pics of your local rides. Hoping that I can get out to Steamboat next year with the Thumper in tow. Colorado was my very first "real" mtb ride and the reason I fell in love with it.
    I will eventually. I need a go pro first though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    Under my weight it was flexy. I realized how bad it really was once I got a Fox 34 on there. I also couldn't get an XX firm spring which didn't help. It was OK on my hardtail, but one ride on the Thumper was enough to know I needed a different fork. Look for a good deal on a Trace, or a used Fox 34 or Pike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
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    Because that is what I needed to hear... Man my wallet is already smoking!! Sigh, fork will have to wait till towards the end of the build.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    Under my weight it was flexy. I realized how bad it really was once I got a Fox 34 on there. I also couldn't get an XX firm spring which didn't help. It was OK on my hardtail, but one ride on the Thumper was enough to know I needed a different fork. Look for a good deal on a Trace, or a used Fox 34 or Pike.
    Thanks for the info Capt! See that is what I was wonder. While I am not really a true clyde, 6' and 190ish#s, I currently run the FIRM spring and love it on my 100mm fork. I have a feeling that it is just the length of the fork and I would hate to grab it and end up hating it at 140mm. Really wish they would do a 29" 130mm in like the MATTOC, that thing is looking to be like a stellar fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Thanks for the info Capt! See that is what I was wonder. While I am not really a true clyde, 6' and 190ish#s, I currently run the FIRM spring and love it on my 100mm fork. I have a feeling that it is just the length of the fork and I would hate to grab it and end up hating it at 140mm.
    I weigh 195 - 200 if that helps. Brake dive was terrible with the stock spring. I got it rebuilt with the X firm spring which helped, but it still wasn't great. Save you money for a stiffer fork. I got my Fox used for $450 shipped.

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    So here is a dumb, theoretical question for everyone...
    This frame is built around a 130mm (~5.11") travel platform, so if you were to change the geometry slightly from what it was built for your possible negative/positive effects revolve around changing the HTA and the BB height.

    So if you looked at going with a shorter travel fork, say the 120mm (~4.72") travel fork, that really is only a difference of 10mm (~0.39") which is less than half an inch. If I remember correctly, a change (either positive or negative) in travel of 10mm approximately effects the HTA by ~1*. If that is true, then the geometry change (compared to the website) would put the total HTA change from 68* @ 140mm to ~70* at 120mm?

    I know I am over analyzing this but I have time for that while I do this build. It also doesnt help that that is what I do for a living... LOL

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    So here is a question..... I have been looking at 2x chainguides and wondering if I should do one? I have a 2x9 setup now without a guide and I still drop my chain inside but I have a bash guard on the big ring so I don't drop off completely.

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    Got my package from Ribble today and man I don't think I have ever seen so many new parts. With my Inbred the only NEW parts that I bought were the wheels, fork and frame, everything else was used from Ebay or stuff out of friends/family's parts bins.

    Shimano XT 11/36T rear cassette (350g)
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    So went and did a quick parking lot ride on a Trance SX that was set at 140mm. Much more comfortable with the travel now. For some reason I felt like the travel would be like riding a DH bike with the wheel way out in front of me.

    Will be looking for a X-Fusion Trace with the 34mm stanchions.

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    Really excited to see this thing done up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post

    Will be looking for a X-Fusion Trace with the 34mm stanchions.
    Good call

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    Don't let travel scare you away. Focus more weight and proper suspension tuning. A 160mm fork can ride just as well as a 100mm fork and in many cases be just as light, but the 160mm fork will feel much better going downhill than the 100mm fork.

    True XC builds are usually lessons in restraint. What's the minimum I can live with? Many world cup XC riders like 80mm of perfectly tuned travel because its just enough to help with downhill stability and not much more weight than a carbon fork.

    Downhill riders dont care too much about weight, so they take as much travel as they can get without adding a lot of weight or losing efficiency.

    For the average rider, don't be scared off by travel, be more worried about whether you use it. If you've got 160mm and you're only using 100mm of it, maybe you've got too big a bike.
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    Yeah for some reason I thought that it would feel like I was riding one of those choppers from the old 70s movies where the wheel was like 5' in front of the actual bars. After riding the Trance SX yesterday it gave me a better understanding of how if the bike is actually setup to use the angles properly then it will feel balanced properly. I am a touch and feel person so until I physically experience it (to some degree) then I am alway apprehensive. I was basically just riding it around the parking lot and going over and off curbs but it gave me a better understanding, and the Trance has a 66* HTA to boot with the 140mm fork setting (goes to 160mm).

    Really stoked to get this bike finished and start riding it. But with work trips and what not (life) I got to bide my time getting parts here and there.

    Since I have pretty much settled on the X-Fusion Trace now comes the dilemma of either going with an X0 rear derailleur or an X9. Basic difference in cost is about $50 (most new X9 can be found right around $90 and I can get an X0 on amazon for $140). I hear that the shifting is super crisp with the X0 but the X9 (what I run now) is stellar so wondering if I should just go with the X9 and spend that extra $50 elsewhere.

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    Did you say you are going 2x10?

    If so, go with whatever is cheaper.

    If you are going 1x10, I'd go for something with the clutch. In the case of SRAM, getting on the 11spd train would be a wise investment. Especially the wide-range 42t cassette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Yeah for some reason I thought that it would feel like I was riding one of those choppers from the old 70s movies where the wheel was like 5' in front of the actual bars. After riding the Trance SX yesterday it gave me a better understanding of how if the bike is actually setup to use the angles properly then it will feel balanced properly. I am a touch and feel person so until I physically experience it (to some degree) then I am alway apprehensive. I was basically just riding it around the parking lot and going over and off curbs but it gave me a better understanding, and the Trance has a 66* HTA to boot with the 140mm fork setting (goes to 160mm).

    Really stoked to get this bike finished and start riding it. But with work trips and what not (life) I got to bide my time getting parts here and there.

    Since I have pretty much settled on the X-Fusion Trace now comes the dilemma of either going with an X0 rear derailleur or an X9. Basic difference in cost is about $50 (most new X9 can be found right around $90 and I can get an X0 on amazon for $140). I hear that the shifting is super crisp with the X0 but the X9 (what I run now) is stellar so wondering if I should just go with the X9 and spend that extra $50 elsewhere.
    Kinda like this?

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    Yeah going 2x10 since I live where there is lots of climbing. I am sure that I could get used to a 1x10/11 but dont know if I want to go there quite yet. So I will stick with the X9 system then.

    @SwitchbackBikes - yeah that's it, like Easy Rider style.

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    I really think 2x is a better setup where is mountainous. Unless someone makes a 44-10 cassette. I cant deal with losing the top end to get a low enough gear for 4-5000 feet of climbing in a day.

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    New bars came today... think they are quite sexy and thinking I am going to like the feel of the wider bars. If nothing else they are 780mm wide with cut-down markings so I can cut them a bit shorter until I find what I like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    New bars came today... think they are quite sexy and thinking I am going to like the feel of the wider bars. If nothing else they are 780mm wide with cut-down markings so I can cut them a bit shorter until I find what I like.

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    Hey Scott check out the info on the new Manitou Macleod. Think I found the replacement for the Float CTD.

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    Hey Scott check out the info on the new Manitou Macleod. Think I found the replacement for the Float CTD.
    Does the Float need replacing?

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    No just not a fan of FOX components. They have burned me before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    No just not a fan of FOX components. They have burned me before.
    I hope I dont have that problem. So far I have liked my Fox stuff better than Marz, Manitou, and Rock Shox.

    The only exception is the Pike and Monarch Plus combo. Those were awesome.

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    Yeah don't get me wrong I know that they can make good products but have had to many experiences with them where they blew me or friends/family off with legitimate issues. So instead of giving them my money I would rather go with something from a company that cares about its customers. As I have said before, Manitou has done right by me answering pretty much any and all questions I have had, even to the point where I have physically talked with their head engineers about tuning options for my Tower Pro or sending me a rebuild kit for my BILs HFX-9 brakes free of charge (overnight too).

    Decided to throw the bars on the Inbred and ride it for a while to get the feel down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    New bars came today... think they are quite sexy and thinking I am going to like the feel of the wider bars. If nothing else they are 780mm wide with cut-down markings so I can cut them a bit shorter until I find what I like.

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    Hammerhead Bicycles Decal

    Digging through some old files....found an image of a customer's bike in New Zealand. He had a "Hammerhead Bicycles" Decal made up to put over the "Thumper" logo....thought it looked pretty cool. These would be really inexpensive to produce

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    Was actually going through the "Will Hammerhead/Switchback Bikes Make It" thread and you had a rendering of a frame with a black headtube faded to blue body. Really liked that one.

    Have friends that own a printing shop so I may talk to them about doing something different if that is ok with you Scott (of course I would share files with you and what not).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Was actually going through the "Will Hammerhead/Switchback Bikes Make It" thread and you had a rendering of a frame with a black headtube faded to blue body. Really liked that one.

    Have friends that own a printing shop so I may talk to them about doing something different if that is ok with you Scott (of course I would share files with you and what not).
    That would be very cool....e-mail me and I can send over Artwork

    This is the frame you are referring too, yeah?

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    More Mock-Ups

    Digging through some old mock-ups

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    Yup that is the one and I like the red and white mockups and the last blue black mockup

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    I love that red and white (top photo) wow!

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    Is nice!

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    See what I was thinking would look good is the words UNVEIL 9 going down the bottom of the bottom tube. This would be done with a white outline to the lettering or even a large "plate" of white vinyl that had the words cut out. Front of the Head tube would have the emblem (mountain range) and the back of the seat tube would have Switchback down it. I am a fairly minimalistic person when it comes to wording and with the shape of the tubes lettering will look strange due to the varied sizes and progression of tube.

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    See what I was thinking would look good is the words UNVEIL 9 going down the bottom of the bottom tube. This would be done with a white outline to the lettering or even a large "plate" of white vinyl that had the words cut out. Front of the Head tube would have the emblem (mountain range) and the back of the seat tube would have Switchback down it. I am a fairly minimalistic person when it comes to wording and with the shape of the tubes lettering will look strange due to the varied sizes and progression of tube.
    Thats was one of the concepts me.and my. powdercoater talked about.

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    I just want mine flat black. Or flat green.

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    I just want mine flat black. Or flat green.

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    The make a matte topcoat so you can make any color flat.

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    LOL... matte green with the words "F Bomb" on it with a pic of a Betty.

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    LOL... matte green with the words "F Bomb" on it with a pic of a Betty.
    You can get a graphic like that printed on heat safe vynil. All under the matte clear. just sayin

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    See what I was thinking would look good is the words UNVEIL 9 going down the bottom of the bottom tube. This would be done with a white outline to the lettering or even a large "plate" of white vinyl that had the words cut out. Front of the Head tube would have the emblem (mountain range) and the back of the seat tube would have Switchback down it. I am a fairly minimalistic person when it comes to wording and with the shape of the tubes lettering will look strange due to the varied sizes and progression of tube.
    We actually almost put the Thumper decal on the downtube initially. I like that concept a lot....
    And I am working on a headtube badge w/ the MTN range in it....Taiwan is using the HH Headtube badge as the starting point

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    LOL... matte green with the words "F Bomb" on it with a pic of a Betty.

    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    You can get a graphic like that printed on heat safe vynil. All under the matte clear. just sayin

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    HA! That would be awesome

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    Undoubtably thats a camaro. (f body)

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    I'm an analyst by nature and job title...... I think things through and over analyze them ALOT. But at least I know it and as my wife says "At least I know if we are buying something you have put thought into it and will get the best bang for our buck."

    Oh yeah and I am very creative and aesthetic... done a lot in my short life, from throwing boxes, 3yrs of Physical Therapy schooling, Massage schooling, Crystal Manufacturing analysis and sales to large electronics companies, Analysis work, IT work (network design, troubleshooting, etc.), Web and Graphics design, Conceptual analysis and design and according to my wife I could be a certified Redken Colorist and Design artist (hairstylist). So like I tell my employees, I am not the "normal" guy... the normal guy has the 8 or maybe 16 color crayon box... I am onto the larger 64 color box sometimes verging on the 120 color box... LOL

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    I'm an analyst by nature and job title...... I think things through and over analyze them ALOT. But at least I know it and as my wife says "At least I know if we are buying something you have put thought into it and will get the best bang for our buck."

    Oh yeah and I am very creative and aesthetic... done a lot in my short life, from throwing boxes, 3yrs of Physical Therapy schooling, Massage schooling, Crystal Manufacturing analysis and sales to large electronics companies, Analysis work, IT work (network design, troubleshooting, etc.), Web and Graphics design, Conceptual analysis and design and according to my wife I could be a certified Redken Colorist and Design artist (hairstylist). So like I tell my employees, I am not the "normal" guy... the normal guy has the 8 or maybe 16 color crayon box... I am onto the larger 64 color box sometimes verging on the 120 color box... LOL
    Jesus! Where do you find time to ride?! Lol

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    Hey I will be 35 this year, work 4-10 (6am to 5pm) and get out after work or on the weekends. Have to say that not having kids really makes things work in my favor with that kind of stuff. While the wife is not a rider, she is a paddleboarder so it usually goes something like this on the weekends...
    Me: Im going to go for a ride in a bit
    Her: Ok well I am going up to Tahoe to paddleboard some.
    Me: K, what beach?
    Her: ABC beach, why?
    Me: Ok, mind dropping me off at XYZ trailhead on the way and then I will see you at the beach in a few hours?
    Her: Sure works for me... Dinner afterwards?
    Me: Where ever works for me as long as they have decent beer. Oh and I am gonna bring my trunks and change of clothes.

    That usually happens when the weather is warm atleast. Harder when it is cold but she has a dry suit and I normally have to stay close to home because the trails are covered in snow (no fat bike for me ). She works 4-14s so whatever time we can get out of the house is a good thing.

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    So looks like the inevitable has finally happened... Been looking at the calculations and my buddy bantering at me so I will be going with a 1x10 setup. While I will lose a bit in the granny gear and some on the top end as well the range will be about the same. My buddy also has an extra RF NW 30 or 32 ring he is going to give me to setup with my 11/36t cassette. Worse comes to worse I can drop the 17t ring and grab a WT or OU 40/42t big cog to replace it and gain some more bottom end (which is what I am more concerned about).

    Here comes the newbish question... Since I bought the SLX 2x crankset (26/38t) I can just dump both rings for the RF NW right? And it will go on the outer most ring mount right?

    After that, is there a need for a chain guide? I have been looking and seem like with the clutch type derailleurs there is no need.

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    So looks like the inevitable has finally happened... Been looking at the calculations and my buddy bantering at me so I will be going with a 1x10 setup. While I will lose a bit in the granny gear and some on the top end as well the range will be about the same. My buddy also has an extra RF NW 30 or 32 ring he is going to give me to setup with my 11/36t cassette. Worse comes to worse I can drop the 17t ring and grab a WT or OU 40/42t big cog to replace it and gain some more bottom end (which is what I am more concerned about).

    Here comes the newbish question... Since I bought the SLX 2x crankset (26/38t) I can just dump both rings for the RF NW right? And it will go on the outer most ring mount right?

    After that, is there a need for a chain guide? I have been looking and seem like with the clutch type derailleurs there is no need.
    Yes, yes, and no.

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    It doesn't go on the outer most ring. It would go where your current "middle" ring is.
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    It doesn't go on the outer most ring. It would go where your current "middle" ring is.
    Its a double.

    And if its a 32t, you will need a spacer or grind some material frame the tabs. 30t and 34t are fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Its a double.

    And if its a 32t, you will need a spacer or grind some material frame the tabs. 30t and 34t are fine.

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    Yeah the new SLX crank is a 2x10 so would go on the outer location... Ok are spacers something super special that HAVE to be bought from a bike shop or are they just like little washers?

    Just read about the new(ish) Halo Vapour Carbon rims, seem awesome and was thinking, wait I saw the Vapour and they didnt say anything about carbon. Started digging and sure enough there is a Carbon version and regular Alu version. Then that gets me drooling about colors and find that the Vapour are colored, TR, and only $10 more...

    Damnit now I might send the 29r Disc back for the Vapour. But then I have to decide on if I want black, red, or blue....

    Only decent pic of the red I can find...
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    Yeah the new SLX crank is a 2x10 so would go on the outer location... Ok are spacers something super special that HAVE to be bought from a bike shop or are they just like little washers?

    Just read about the new(ish) Halo Vapour Carbon rims, seem awesome and was thinking, wait I saw the Vapour and they didnt say anything about carbon. Started digging and sure enough there is a Carbon version and regular Alu version. Then that gets me drooling about colors and find that the Vapour are colored, TR, and only $10 more...

    Damnit now I might send the 29r Disc back for the Vapour. But then I have to decide on if I want black, red, or blue....
    As long as they are the right size youre good. And with a spacer you dont need to go buy short bolts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Yeah the new SLX crank is a 2x10 so would go on the outer location... Ok are spacers something super special that HAVE to be bought from a bike shop or are they just like little washers?

    Just read about the new(ish) Halo Vapour Carbon rims, seem awesome and was thinking, wait I saw the Vapour and they didnt say anything about carbon. Started digging and sure enough there is a Carbon version and regular Alu version. Then that gets me drooling about colors and find that the Vapour are colored, TR, and only $10 more...

    Damnit now I might send the 29r Disc back for the Vapour. But then I have to decide on if I want black, red, or blue....

    Only decent pic of the red I can find...
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    Yeah debating if the extra money is worth color and the "TR" standing. I will go ghetto tubeless with whatever I have no matter what.

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    Yeah debating if the extra money is worth color and the "TR" standing. I will go ghetto tubeless with whatever I have no matter what.
    Do eet

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    LOL you guys are bad for me.

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    So I missed out on a good deal on an X-Fusion Trace due to a meeting this morning on ebay. Missed it by $5!!!

    However I found a pretty good deal on a RS Revelation Dual Air, Motion Control yada yada yada... The revelation seems to be getting good reviews but wondering how it will hold up at 140mm with the 32mm stanchions. Deal is almost too good to pass up but the pics of the fork look good and no scratches on the stanchion tubes. Seller says he serviced it himself last week and changed out the oil, but is a 2012.

    Meh fork got meh reviews for those years. I will just keep my eyes open for another good deal. That makes two I have missed on ebay, that Trace and a 34mm FOX Talas 140 that went for $300.

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    I have two Revelations, both 140 mm travel, both 2012 models, both have 20mm axles, both purchased from Chain Reaction. One is on my Thumper, the other is on my Diamondback Mason. I'm 250 with gear, ride aggressively and like to jump. The fork holds up very well and is plenty stiff enough. The burliest fork I have owned was a Fox 36, and while the Revelation isn't that stiff, it's not noticeably different to me. Not sure if it's because my axles are 20mm as opposed to 15mm. Too bad you can only get a 20mm axle on a downhill fork these days.

    I like the Revelation...it's plush, but like I said before, if I had the coin, I would have gotten a Pike. I'm totally happy with the Revelation, though.

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    Yeah well the guy made me a deal I couldn't refuse so he is getting me shipping cost tomorrow and it is a done deal. At this price I am going to buy the RWC Enduro seal kit for it and redo all the seals when I adjust the travel (currently set at 120mm).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Yeah well the guy made me a deal I couldn't refuse so he is getting me shipping cost tomorrow and it is a done deal. At this price I am going to buy the RWC Enduro seal kit for it and redo all the seals when I adjust the travel (currently set at 120mm).
    Dont bother with the enduro seals. RS seals are outstanding.

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    Ok well I would like to rebuild the fork myself anyways since I am going to have to take it apart to adjust the travel to 140mm, so I was figuring it was a "while your in there" scenario. And looking at the rebuild kits out of curiosity it seems like they were about the same price as the enduro kit.

    Question is, what is a good fork oil to use and stanchion lube? I am going to use it to rebuild my Manitou Tower Pro as well and believe that both forks call for 5wt oil. Is the Buzzy's brand Shock Nectar and Slick Honey any good?

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    ^^^ a freaking stellar deal and Scott is great to deal with. I just picked up a used Revelation of the same year/make for $245 shipped, the FSA headset is about $30 on ebay and the leftover Thumper frames are $750 so for all that stuff, plus a 1-off paint color for $600.... all I can say is!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Ok well I would like to rebuild the fork myself anyways since I am going to have to take it apart to adjust the travel to 140mm, so I was figuring it was a "while your in there" scenario. And looking at the rebuild kits out of curiosity it seems like they were about the same price as the enduro kit.

    Question is, what is a good fork oil to use and stanchion lube? I am going to use it to rebuild my Manitou Tower Pro as well and believe that both forks call for 5wt oil. Is the Buzzy's brand Shock Nectar and Slick Honey any good?
    Use the motorex stuff your local motorsports shop carries. same stuff and cheaper. slick honey on any bushings and seals.

    The seals are the same price, but the new fox and RS seals are SKF, and are fantastic. The enduros are on par, but they were an upgrade on fox before they used SKF seals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Use the motorex stuff your local motorsports shop carries. same stuff and cheaper. slick honey on any bushings and seals.

    The seals are the same price, but the new fox and RS seals are SKF, and are fantastic. The enduros are on par, but they were an upgrade on fox before they used SKF seals.

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    Cool thanks for the information on the oil..

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    Cool thanks for the information on the oil..
    Full synthetic 15w is good in the lowers also. Full synthetic gear oil is a good substitute for flox float fluid and rock shocks red rum stuff.

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    Ok so 5wt for the uppers and 15wt for the lowers. Too bad it isn't something I have laying around like 80w90 gear oil, 15w40 motor oil, or Moly based high temp bearing grease... LOL, looks like I get to add new liquid to the collection in the garage!

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    Ok so 5wt for the uppers and 15wt for the lowers. Too bad it isn't something I have laying around like 80w90 gear oil, 15w40 motor oil, or Moly based high temp bearing grease... LOL, looks like I get to add new liquid to the collection in the garage!
    15w motor oil (synthetic) is fine for the lowers. You do need fork oil for the damping though. I like to keep lots of stuff in the garage, I have a lube for every occasion.

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    Ok dumb question... is there such a thing as straight 15w motor oil or will it be like what I run in my LC, 15w40 diesel oil.

    Revelation should be here tomorrow night.

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    Ok dumb question... is there such a thing as straight 15w motor oil or will it be like what I run in my LC, 15w40 diesel oil.
    not really. there is always a second number, but use full synthetic only in forks

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    iirc second number is the freezing temp?

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    Ok yeah I use Rotella T 15w40 in my truck and still have a bit leftover (damn things takes almost 9qts per oil change).

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    Oh wow I just read like a 10 page article on oil viscosity Lol. Yeah the second number is viscosity at operating temp. After reading that article I would only use a "single number" oil like sae15 because the second number means there are additives to change the oil viscosity at operating temperature. I wouldn't want to put those additives in my fork, having no idea how they would react with the seals and such. But plenty of people do it so I dunno. Here's the article I read.

    http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/

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    Excited!!!!
    So I picked up a 2012 RS Revelation RLT (set to 120mm) from PinkBike for $245 shipped. Guy said it had normal scratches and what not but the pics looked very clean. It should be here tonight so I will post pics as soon as I can. The only thing that I did not plan for was that it was a 20mm thru-axle so hopefully that doesnt change my hub purchase. Friend of my brothers builds wheels on the side and is getting me some Taiwanese hubs (MoYon) for cheap and going to build my wheels with the Halo 29r Disc (which I found out from Halo are being discontinued and replaced by the Vapour). So the hubs should be here in the middle of June and I will have him build them up for me. Pretty much just got little stuff to grab here and there now so hopefully it will be good and ready come August!

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    Worst case you can probably get a lower for the fork that has a 15mm. Probably expensive but still not a new fork

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    A new hub is cheape

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    Yeah I have contacted my builder and told him that I came across this deal so change of plans. Looks like it should be ok and if nothing else I will pay a little extra for a separate front hub that I will throw on something else or sell.

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    And its here!!! Weighs in at exactly 4lbs according to my scale.
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    Here is the Geax Goma 2.25"... gonna try it on the Inbred first to see how she does. If I end up liking it I might get the 2.4" version for the front.

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    i'm jealous... your thread is longer than mine ^_^ haha build the damned thing! i wanna see it doneeeeee

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    LOL..... i know i know... I am still working on stuff and looks like I am going to have more time to ride in a couple weeks as my portion of our trip to NYC has been cancelled due to project changes at work.

    Oh well that just means that I will have more money to spend on the bike!

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    So Friday went to put the new Goma on in anticipation of a ride this weekend, well as I got the tire off the rim I noticed that I had a spoke completely crapped out from this weeks ride where I caught my heel in the wheel after I popped over a rock in a rocky downhill. Spoke had to be replaced but good thing was that the wheel was barely out of true, lends to the builds that OrionsCycles used to do.

    Finally got the Goma on late last night and measured it at 55mm at the case and 56.75mm at the widest knobs. Looks comparable in size to my 2.3" Gato on the front and looks to be a killer combo for around here. Once the Thumper is built this will be going on there.
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    Debate still rages on......



    So after the recent rides I have done I am starting to change sides again on the whole 1x vs. 2x scenario. Last major trail I rode with my brother has a decent amount of climbing and I found myself in my bailout gear a lot (much has to do with riding fitness I know) but I am starting to think twice about the whole 1x scenario.

    With that said, this frame takes a HIGH DIRECT MOUNT front-derailleur. I will not be running anything larger than a 2.25" in the rear so scraping/interference should not be an issue but wondering what a good FD is for cheap. Been looking at the SHIMANO SLX/XT on ebay however is a Top pull Direct Mount the same as a High Direct mount? Sram actually states as a High or Low direct mount but not sure on Shimano stuff and have always heard they are better as an FD.

    Oh and think I found a decent deal on a Taiwan dropper post, what size collar do I need? Does 34.9 sound right?

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    So after the recent rides I have done I am starting to change sides again on the whole 1x vs. 2x scenario. Last major trail I rode with my brother has a decent amount of climbing and I found myself in my bailout gear a lot (much has to do with riding fitness I know) but I am starting to think twice about the whole 1x scenario.

    With that said, this frame takes a HIGH DIRECT MOUNT front-derailleur. I will not be running anything larger than a 2.25" in the rear so scraping/interference should not be an issue but wondering what a good FD is for cheap. Been looking at the SHIMANO SLX/XT on ebay however is a Top pull Direct Mount the same as a High Direct mount? Sram actually states as a High or Low direct mount but not sure on Shimano stuff and have always heard they are better as an FD.

    Oh and think I found a decent deal on a Taiwan dropper post, what size collar do I need? Does 34.9 sound right?
    31.6mm on the post, 34.9 collar.

    Direct mount is direct mount, unless it says low. And top vs bottom pull is an option, you need top or dual. If you get a dual, cut off the extra piece. JensonUSA has SLX derailluers OE for $10.

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    Sweet! Thanks for the heads up FB... was looking at the SLX on ebay for $30ish and there are a few XTs for $40ish.

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    I used a M771 Shimano XT on my Yelli. I am running 3 x 9 and it works great. I did have to cut the bottom pull arm off to clear 2.4 tires.

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    Yeah payday is Friday so I will pick up a few small things; FD, Shift cables, headset, stem. Bike is actually starting to look like a bike and my wheelbuilder emailed me and said that the hubs will be shipping from the mfg on Thursday so thinking sometime in the next couple weeks I will have wheels done too.

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    I used an XO high mount top pull I had in parts box with a 2.2 ikon and it seemed like there was a lot of room. I will thumb through my phone and see if I have pictures.

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    Well bike might get done quicker than expected, got to love it when you get your vacation cancelled on your due to project movement but get OT to boot. God there are days that I wish I was a ditch digger or a mail sorter. This is one of those days.......

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    Massive overtime coming in coming weeks so bike should be done lots sooner than expected.

    Won a X0 long cage type 2 derailleur last night off ebay for $90 in good condition so that will be here next week. Then started talking to BikerBob ([email protected]) and man does he have great prices... Looks like most of the rest of the stuff I will be grabbing from him (quoted me $119 for KS e-Ten remote dropper). I am sure there are some better deals out there but not by much. So I will support the little guy. Definitely email him if you are looking for something specific as his site really doesn't have all that much.

    Also talked to my wheel build and the hubs were delayed because of the last minute purchase of the 20mm Maxle, the original hub was a max of 15mm (my fault as I had planned to go with a Manitou fork) so looks like it will be at least another week before they ship. Not that big a deal as the fault lies solely on me.

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    Think I have the first local ride for the Thumper determined. Got a new SLX (take off) front derailleur off ebay for $20 shipped, will be here Monday. Paycheck next week will have half of my OT on it so will be contacting BikerBob for some parts.

    This was the first race of the California Enduro Series: BattleBorn Enduro in Reno, NV on Peavine Mountain. Stopped by real quick at the end of the day and there was still some festivities going on and the last few riders coming in. Looks like it was a lot of fun and had good feedback from everyone. Local biking group, Poedunks, were mainly responsible for construction of the course and did a great job. Have not ridden it yet but definitely will be in the future and think it will be a good shakedown ride for the Thumper. Really from my doorstep to the Trailhead parking lot is about a 40 minute drive so cant complain (that and I play softball there every Wednesday so I am there anyways once a week).

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    Next build... HammerHead Thumper

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    Gregnash, this should be a really fun and capable bike. Love the close up shot of the color. Very nice. Only thing I don't dig on this rig is the BIG THUMPER decal, and it looks like they're working on that, so thumps up. Enjoy !!!

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    GEAX Goma review....

    Review of the Goma that will be going on the Thumper along with the Gato. Seriously uber trail/enduro setup I think, a bit heavy for XC racing but around here you need something that will grab rocks, sticks, punch through loose sand and what not. This setup was seamless and literally could not get it to break loose unless I threw it hard or really changed my weight balance.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/wheels-tires/...l#post11269337

    Of course the 24 miles of trail I rode yesterday was awesome with this setup and threw everything I could except wet at it. Problem was that I got to the TH only to find that my phone had 8% battery left and that would not last the 2.5hrs of riding. Looks like I need to invest in a pure GPS for riding instead of using my phone all the time. That or invest in one of those Mophie Juicepaks that is a batterypack and case in one for my iphone.

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    Great review....need to try those out myself

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    Well ****.... went and got fork oil and grease today so I could change the travel. Fairly easy to do, a bit messy but nothing I haven't dealt with before (try rebuilding the knuckles on a Land Cruiser, THEN we will talk about messy). Well, first go round everything seemingly goes back together without issue, only then do I realize I forgot the wave washer. No bigs, get her back apart, put everything together in order, but cant seem to get the negative air shaft to thread. Pull it apart and realized I push the shaft to far in (that's what she said!!) so I couldn't get it to engage.
    Back apart she comes, pull the air shaft all the way out and put her back together but now the rebound side doesn't want to go through the lower leg hole. Find out that the bumper at the bottom of the leg/stanchion is cockeyed.
    Back apart, get that lined up get everything back together, all shafts thread great... SWEET!!!
    Now I start putting air in the positive side, get her up to 120psi and start on the negative. Get her to about 50psi and the dust wiper and seal pop out with a hiss. #$)*@! ok well maybe I did it wrong, maybe you are supposed to do some in the positive, then negative and then pop everything off.. take a look at the manual and nothing mentioned.
    Ok so luckily I have a seal installer that I use for my LC, just so happens to be 32mm wide!!!
    Sweet, ok let's try this. Get the legs off AGAIN (starting to become a pro at this now) and press the seal into place. Get the legs on, everything buttoned up and fill the negative side first to 120psi... watch the travel of the fork go to the bumper. Then do the positive side and the travel never moves? Seal is fine though.
    Pull it off the stand and try pressing on it (guess how I found the travel went to the bumper) and nothing, no movement. Ok let air out of the negative side and positive side completely. Put 50psi in the positive side and then start putting air in the negative side.... Bet you can't guess what happened!!!!!

    So for those that have done this before, time for new seals on the lower legs? Guy I bought it from said he had done all the seals right before selling it.

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    Take a look at the air piston side, the little hour glass shaped plastic cylinder with a hole through the middle (center), is upside down. Easy mistake.

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    Let me elaborate. If the negative air took too many strokes to fill, something is wrong. If you fill the positive side and the wiper pops out, there is an issue, as in air is getting outside the stanchtion. The most common mistake is to flip the positive air piston spacer thingy (its about 30mm long and plastic, cant miss it). The pin hole in it is offcenter, make sure its in the right orientation.

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    This is why I'm nervous to increase the travel on my revelation

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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

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    This is why I'm nervous to increase the travel on my revelation

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    Put everything back the way it came out and you'll be fine. Just be slow and deliberate.

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    And you are a freakin GENIUS!!! I so owe you some beer.

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    And you are a freakin GENIUS!!! I so owe you some beer.
    Thanks bud, if you are ever in Colorado we will rip some trail and beer.

    So did ya fix it up good?

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    Yup that is exactly what it was. Just took the negative air shaft out, flipped that piece and put everything back together and WAHLA! Everything is now good to go! Seriously took me maybe 20 minutes (even found a small syringe that I used to put the proper amount of oil in).

    @TwoNin9er, dude do not be scurr'd this was probably the most simple thing. Do that opposite of what I did and print out the instructions and do it. Pay close attention to the way things go back together and that there are crush washer/o-rings on both shafts that you will need to keep track of (rebound side comes off with it, negative air side liked to stick in the leg). Other than that, it was simple simple.....

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    Nice!

    I keep a 5ml, 10ml, 60ml syringes and a 100ml graduated cylinder for suspension work. I found a huge box of the 60mls that work was throwing out, so I policed em up.

    I find directions to be pointless, I just layout everying on the table exactly how it comes out.

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    Yeah see normally I do the same thing but I must have switched it around when I pulled the 20mm spacer or when I pulled everything apart to put the wave washer back.
    Oh and the piece we are referring to is the Negative Air Piston in the manual...

    Oh and I believe that the syringe I have is 20ml so I filled halfway and shot half into each lower leg. Much easier than the pour method in the videos.

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    I thought thats what it was. And you shouldnt have needed to remove it to install the wave washer.

    But after a few times, you can rocket through a fork service. I serviced and changed travel on a Reba in 10 minutes, my personal record lol.

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    LOL... yeah didn't touch the motion control side so that will be the next adventure in the winter when I have the bike up for the season (well depending on what the winter looks like, if it is like this last year I will be riding all the way through which would make 4yrs in a row.)

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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

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    LOL... yeah didn't touch the motion control side so that will be the next adventure in the winter when I have the bike up for the season (well depending on what the winter looks like, if it is like this last year I will be riding all the way through which would make 4yrs in a row.)
    Rock Shox dampners are super oil volume sensitive, so make sure you get a graduated cylinder when you do it. Or just add and subtract oil until it feels right. There are a few ways to do it.

    Generally, its ok to leave the dampner alone until there is a problem. Mine was full of water, which is a big issue, haha!

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    yeah we will see once the bike is finished and I can start riding it. From there I will make the determination as to whether to pull it completely apart. Now to service my Tower Pro next, but that will happen another night.

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    How do you like the Tower? I hate the Reba on my hardtail, and Im considering rigid rather than dropping for a fox. But the Tower is cheap.

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    Seriously love my Tower Pro (now Minute, again). I had originally planned on buying a 140mm but there were a few guys (Captn here with the Thumper) that had it at that travel and felt it was too flexy. But nothing but stellar reviews at 100mm and 120mm (I run 100mm). If you can find one cheap they are an incredible set and forget fork, plus the 15qr is unlike any other thru-axle.

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    This thing is looking better and better. Hoping to have some more in-depth review information about the shock soon.....
    Eric Porter Runs Down the new Manitou McLeod Rear Shock

    Summer of 14 seems like it will mainly be OEM release and then probably later this year or early next for full retail release. Video says custom sizing and tuning available!

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    This thread just became gold (not that it wasn't before Lol)

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    It pays to be an analyst by nature. Now if I could only make some real money doing this crap.....

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    Lol I think I will attempt the travel increase while the bike is out of commission waiting on the new wheelset

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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

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    Lol I think I will attempt the travel increase while the bike is out of commission waiting on the new wheelset

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    How do you plan on doing that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    How do you plan on doing that?

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    My revelation is currently set at 130mm but can be spacer increased up to 140

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    Do it dude... it was seriously easy to change everything out and whatnot. Just take your time and read the instructions and be sure that everything is oriented properly. If you do not have one get a small 10ml syringe (think you can get them at most drugstores) to make things easier on you. Oh and you will need a 24mm socket to get the top cap off the air side, all of $5-$7 from Lowes/Home Depot.

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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

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    How do you plan on doing that?

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    I thought you meant rear travel, haha. Its something I want to try, potentially with a custom machined link.

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    Oh do keep us posted :-)

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    Oh do keep us posted :-)

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    Its a thought, may never happen. I was hoping Scott would take the idea and run with it. I dont have any resources to make it happen. I believe its possible though.

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    I don't see why not

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    I don't see why not

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    Well, there are several reasons why not. However, those are just potentials. The first being the tire hitting the seattube. Next, being the tire hitting the seat hitting the tire with the dropper down at full travel. Also, there would be no way of running a front derailleur.

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    Yeah but I cab think of potential fixes for all of the above, geometry permitting

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