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    New Niner Jet 9 RDO Photos/Details Released

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    http://www.ninerbikes.com/jet9rdo

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    It really does look ugly.
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    Even better than I hoped. Hoping availability is soon.

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    Must...sell...kidney!!!
    I'm with you on that one!
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    curvy.

    kinda black sheep in carbon.

    niner managed to get out another unique, stunning design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    It really does look ugly.
    Only if you look at it.

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    Looks great

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    Yeah but why would they take the rear brake hose down there and not along the underside of the top tube? Look at the loop in it near the top of the crank arm, I can see it catching on a shoe or crank arm as it pops out / up when the rear triangle moves under load. Or is that just me?

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    I love it. I just wonder if the jet 9 has enough suspension for me. hmmm

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    Yummy. 3 flavors to choose between: Tang and black. Vana White and black. Stealthy Black Licorice.

    As we speculated, a tapered fork with 100mm up to 120mm will work. Looks like a home run at first bat.

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    Wow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook View Post
    curvy.

    niner managed to get out another unique, stunning design.

    No doubt. All three finishes look really good.

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    Different and sexy at the same time! Thats how I roll. Anybody looking for a Tallboy?....
    Good job NIner!!!!
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    ...and it has bottle mounts on the bottom for a protection plate

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    Quote Originally Posted by cytoe View Post
    ...and it has bottle mounts on the bottom for a protection plate
    Yeah I'd say your business is about to double.

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    Neither good nor bad to me. It seems to have too many curves going in too many different directions fighting against the flow of the frame from front to back. I'll take the smooth oneness of the Tallboy lines over this any day.
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    Stunning! Ravishing!
    I will buy one at my 60th and can't ride SS anymore...

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    absolutely amazing looking! can't stop looking at it and I never fall for hype FS CARBON 29er hype

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    That bike looks sick esp in the all black looks bad ass i agree about running the brake cables the way they did can cause problems but i think it would be worse to run them down the down bc of the link moving down there and since that area of the bike gets a lot of abuse. i would have rather they ran it down the side of the top tube and then on the rear triangle they way they did. i also think that with the carbon and the right FEA they probably could have cleaned up the top tube/seat tube junction with a simpler and more elegant solution but they more then likely did that so lower the standover height. Either way that is one sick ass bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    It really does look ugly.
    I'm sure they will look better in real life - going by the pics it looks like Niner hired Dr. Seuss to design this one...

    Actually, maybe it's just the angles those shots are taken from. The Black frame on it's lonesome looks hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monolith View Post
    I'm sure they will look better in real life - going by the pics it looks like Niner hired Dr. Seuss to design this one...
    Yes,But I have to say it looks very strong in the places that FS 29ers have had problems in the past & They will have broken most of the other carbon 29ers to see were they would brake so would have alot of info to work with.
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    I think it's ugly, but i am pretty sure it's just my opinion. And what does RDO stand for?
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    For me the black one kinda works (and when I say kinda I mean just barely) but not enough to even begin to think about lettin the Tallboy go.
    If I had a black light this place would look like a Jackson Pollock painting.

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    woa definately needs a better angle on the pic . . murdered out is dooope!

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    I dig it especially the vanna white! Got a new desktop to drool over now.
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    Size's will change the look of this bike alot to,IMO the Med Air9 carbon looks the best in that bike,The Lage Rip9 looks best & Med in the Alloy Jet9.

    So more photo's needed of other sizes please
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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    Yeah but why would they take the rear brake hose down there and not along the underside of the top tube? Look at the loop in it near the top of the crank arm, I can see it catching on a shoe or crank arm as it pops out / up when the rear triangle moves under load. Or is that just me?
    I had my lines run all the way down, resting on the BB-cups (outboard on the old jet) and along the left chainstay. No issues at all.

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    Anyone find info on the rear hub with? 142 or 135mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trond View Post
    I had my lines run all the way down, resting on the BB-cups (outboard on the old jet) and along the left chainstay. No issues at all.
    That's different to where these ones are. Down to the bb and along the chainstay would be preferable to the way it is pictured there. I just see that hose been pushed forward and out as the rear triangle pivots up and rarely will the hose just flex in one plane. I can see it catching shoes etc. It may not be as pronounced with the CVA suspension design but I would want to see it work before I put my money down. I just think it would have worked better on the slanting side of the TT and then bridging over to the top of the rear triangle.

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    Me likey, Santa Cruz has got serious competition in the bling factor.

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    Looks different, but I like it.

    I don´t get one thing though. Why does Niner NOT provide a simple and straight profile/drive side view of its bikes.

    Only those angled shots.
    Artsy product shots are ok, no problem.
    But there should also be some straight and simple shots, so I can see the actual product.

    Greetings Znarf

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    Why a quick release rear though?

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    I'm a sucker for the yellow-orange & black... Sweet looking rides!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Znarf View Post
    Looks different, but I like it.

    I don´t get one thing though. Why does Niner NOT provide a simple and straight profile/drive side view of its bikes.

    Only those angled shots.
    Artsy product shots are ok, no problem.
    But there should also be some straight and simple shots, so I can see the actual product.

    Greetings Znarf
    There are a couple goods pics exactly like you're looking for on their website along with some interesting detail shots

    To save you the time




    Also, this spiffy wallpaper picture

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    Nice looking bike. Nice upgrade to the standard Jet 9

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    specs say spacing is 135 and doesn't seem to give any other options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    Yeah but why would they take the rear brake hose down there and not along the underside of the top tube? Look at the loop in it near the top of the crank arm, I can see it catching on a shoe or crank arm as it pops out / up when the rear triangle moves under load. Or is that just me?
    Maybe complaints about hitting a left knee on the brake hose on the A9C? I know it's gotten me before.


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    i will hold and wait for the production of Banshee Prime...if it's not to my liking this will be my choice, although i want a slacker geo fs which the Prime looks good, the curves of this Jet9 RDO can certainly sway me to forgo my intention of getting a longer travel n slacker geo fs...

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    these rdo jets look awesome, the business! i dont care what anyone says, very unique looking lines, but at the same time it looks as though those lines are like that for reason, strength. that black licorice is sooooo nice! i love black...keep it niner we likey!!!

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    Damn...that is one ugly design.......

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    Wow......Nice
    Would like to see an XL frame

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    Looks stout

    Top tube down curve is a really ugly design

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    Lines are amazing. Love the curved tubes form and functionality! Maybe if I ever get into racing, I will pick something like this up. I just cant convince myself that carbon is a great choice for the daily ride.

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    i think this frame design looks better in solids instead of the 2 tone. the 2 tone makes frame look thinner with those curves..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojak View Post
    i will hold and wait for the production of Banshee Prime...if it's not to my liking this will be my choice, although i want a slacker geo fs which the Prime looks good, the curves of this Jet9 RDO can certainly sway me to forgo my intention of getting a longer travel n slacker geo fs...
    If you like the slacker geometry, you should really look at a Lenz Leviathan 4.0 then....

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    The full black one looks fantastic! I have to think they came up with a solid design, then took the time to add some artistic curves that still maintain (or possibly enhance) the functionality. I mean, outside of the seat tube there isn't 1 inch of straight or even round "tubing" (tube section) on the entire bike. It at least appears that they analyzed every inch of the frame and determined the best shape for every inch.
    Of course it might break anyway, but it looks great!

    ...and I'm not into carbon, full suspension, or Niner bikes.

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    Very unique looking machine but it lacks a rear TA and the XL top tube is 6mm shorter than the aluminium Jet9. Would definitely like to see an XL though...

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    You can always count on Niner to make a fashion statement. It *kinda* reminds me of the new Titus carbon with the swoopy top tube.
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    Two questions:

    1. How much does the frame weigh?

    2. When will it be available to the public?
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    Huh...chain stays actually grew longer. How odd.
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    bikerumor is saying 5 pounds, one ounce for frame and shock and shipping international in a week-ish and US about two weeks after that.

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    Looks like a SC Nomad only weirder. But like they say in the car business "there's an a$$ for every seat" and seems like there'll be plenty who will love it.
    If I had a black light this place would look like a Jackson Pollock painting.

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    The top tube radiusing into the bottom bracket means one less tube to manufacture and create a joint for. It also puts an end to having to manipulate or bend the seat tube to accomodate the radius of the 29'er rear wheel, as the seat tube just flat stops at about half length.

    Someone at Niner was going for a "form follows function" design, and was trying to take advantage of CF's strengths.

    Interesting design and appearance.

    I wonder if they will ever offer a hot pink colored "Ladies" model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    The top tube radiusing into the bottom bracket means one less tube to manufacture and create a joint for. It also puts an end to having to manipulate or bend the seat tube to accomodate the radius of the 29'er rear whee, as the seat tube just flat stops at about half length.

    Someone at Niner was going for a "form follows function" design, and was trying to take advantage of CF's strengths.

    Interesting design and appearance.
    Yep, pretty cool to see what designers and engineers will do with more freedom. One thing that jumped out at me right away is that the pivot for the upper link is now basically supported by both the seat tube and top tube, which has the potential to add a lot of lateral stiffness. My guess is that this is the reason for the strange curves, instead of for standover that could have been achieved in more traditional manners

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    I get the CA flag on the seat tube, but why the CO flag? Or am I seeing things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSteve in CO View Post
    I get the CA flag on the seat tube, but why the CO flag? Or am I seeing things?

    Probably because the new bike was designed by the engineers at Niner in Colorado, and corporate Niner is in California.

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    If I ever get one of these, I'll be changing my tune and saying my frame is worth more than my car, instead of just saying my bike is worth more than my car!

    The next question is this: what does the bike do to my carbon footprint?

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    meh...not for me. i am looking forward to the ride reports however..

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    Probably because the new bike was designed by the engineers at Niner in Colorado, and corporate Niner is in California.
    Oh yeah, I forgot about the Ft. Collins office. Thanks.

    I bet that will actually convert some of the Yeti fanboiz. I used to be one, so I'm not bashing anyone.

    The RDO looks great, but is out of my price range.
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    i love my alum jet9 and will keep it as my training bike, but for that price and not very much weight savings i will be going with a cannodale scalpel and its inferior suspension design.
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    Impressive but the look is meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    That's different to where these ones are. Down to the bb and along the chainstay would be preferable to the way it is pictured there. I just see that hose been pushed forward and out as the rear triangle pivots up and rarely will the hose just flex in one plane. I can see it catching shoes etc. It may not be as pronounced with the CVA suspension design but I would want to see it work before I put my money down. I just think it would have worked better on the slanting side of the TT and then bridging over to the top of the rear triangle.
    Been working on the RIP for a few years, though it's paired with symmetrical routing for the rear d. I can't tell from any of the pics where the rear d. cable daylights from the internal routing (anyone?), but it looks like none of the bikes have the rear d. cable installed fully, and in the close-up pic of the shock on the tang you can see a piece of thread or something holding it in. On the RIP a little bridge clip is used between the two cables to keep them in... catching on stuff is a non-issue. My guess is that it will be the same.
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    I get the CA flag on the seat tube, but why the CO flag? Or am I seeing things?
    Half of Niner Bikes works out of the Fort Collins, CO office where we have engineering, rider support and our sales department. If you ride the trails here you are likely to see us and maybe even proto bikes we are riding/testing.

    Here is the XL, someone above was looking to see what the XL looked like, minus gears though.

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    Brett, will you post your shots in "The New Post your SS"?

    Can't wait till this season is finished in Florida and I can look at getting this for next years Grassroots Racing!
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    New question here. Carbon rip9

    @2melow I heard that a Rip9 carbon is going to be available in 12x150mm option? It is past tuesday where are the pictures? You do offer a carbon rip9, don't you?

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    I loved the aluminum Jet,but I think the carbon one is pretty ugly.Whenever one of you guys with an XL aluminum Jet want to "upgrade" to carbon give me a shout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    @2melow I heard that a Rip9 carbon is going to be available in 12x150mm option? It is past tuesday where are the pictures? You do offer a carbon rip9, don't you?
    Just stop it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    @2melow I heard that a Rip9 carbon is going to be available in 12x150mm option? It is past tuesday where are the pictures? You do offer a carbon rip9, don't you?
    Hi David,

    No carbon RIP9 12x150mm. Sorry man.

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    Some people will never be happy. You just released the Jet 9 Carbon and now people are like where is the RIP, good lord!

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    I am not a fan of the curvy design, and don't like the Ibis either. Maybe it will grow on me. I will say the "real" bike that 2melow posted looks better to me than the promo shots. Is it just me, or is the word "niner" upside down in those pics?

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    I'd hit it. Hold up, how much? All of a sudden the fat sister (alum Jet9) looks a lot cuter.

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    Those pics above wit the red grips are changing my mind a lil, guess i needed time for it to grow on me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucktown View Post
    Those pics above wit the red grips are changing my mind a lil, guess i needed time for it to grow on me
    took you what.....less than 24 hours for it to "grow on you?" you're the last of the true holdouts....haha
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    is it just me, or are all of the angles stoopid steep? even for niner?

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    I run the brake line on my RIP 9 exactly as shown in the RDO pictures. I've never had a problem catching a show or anything on it at all.

    The RDO goes from gorgeous to WTF depending on the angle. I'd have to see one up close to make up my mind on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dry Side View Post
    It's just you. Geometry is similar to the Jet 9 standard.
    Not to pick nits, but it is about a half a degree steeper at 100mm than the JET. The standard jet is about 71 at 100mm.. would be 70 at 120. It just seems like the geometry is a bit steeper than any other companies FS 29er, or HT 29er, for that matter. Too steep for me, that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Half of Niner Bikes works out of the Fort Collins, CO office where we have engineering, rider support and our sales department. If you ride the trails here you are likely to see us and maybe even proto bikes we are riding/testing.

    Here is the XL, someone above was looking to see what the XL looked like, minus gears though.

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    How much drop is there from the front of the seat to the center of the handlebars on that set up, Brett? About 3 inches below the seat?

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    What do you think of the Ibis Mojo SL geometry in comparison? Personally I found that way too relaxed. I felt like I was on a chopper, but maybe that is how all similar trail bikes feel compared to X-country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by playpunk View Post
    Not to pick nits, but it is about a half a degree steeper at 100mm than the JET. The standard jet is about 71 at 100mm.. would be 70 at 120. It just seems like the geometry is a bit steeper than any other companies FS 29er, or HT 29er, for that matter. Too steep for me, that's for sure.
    Sure, but this bike is designed to have a similar geo with a 100mm fork that the previous had with an 80mm fork, and from that perspective it is 0.5 degree slacker for the "base" configuration. The new angles are actually the same with a 120mm fork as the current RIP9 (that was just made slacker last year). If anything that makes the RIP too steep.

    Anyway, I guess it's a matter of perspective and preference, but I wouldn't call 0.5 degree steeper than most of the competition "stoopid"

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    Looks badass, but Iam not digging the top tube not tying into the seat tube. Why not do the same design as the RIP or JET. Coud this be a possile weak point??
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    I'm sure they will look better in real life
    It does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    How much drop is there from the front of the seat to the center of the handlebars on that set up, Brett? About 3 inches below the seat?

    Hi Randy,

    I'd say at least 3 inches, maybe even 4 inches...it's really aggressive but very very fast. For SS (which this bike is set up with a 120mm FOX fork) I feel most comfortable on a -5 degree stem and our Niner carbon bars flipped in the -5mm mode to bring the front end as low as possible due to the extra height of the 120mm A2C height. The climbing power/leverage is pretty awesome and the 120mm fork is wicked on the way down through the chunky/loose stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Half of Niner Bikes works out of the Fort Collins, CO office where we have engineering, rider support and our sales department. If you ride the trails here you are likely to see us and maybe even proto bikes we are riding/testing.

    Here is the XL, someone above was looking to see what the XL looked like, minus gears though.

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    This XL looks the best so far but that's not saying much, I was really looking forward to this bike and maybe it'll grow on me but for now....meh.
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    Interesting that even an XC race/endurance bike is being designed around a 100/120 fork.

    Is the 80mm fork dead?

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    I think that it looks great. Definitely different, which I can appreciate. I can't believe that people still say "meh".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Hi Randy,

    I'd say at least 3 inches, maybe even 4 inches...it's really aggressive but very very fast. For SS (which this bike is set up with a 120mm FOX fork) I feel most comfortable on a -5 degree stem and our Niner carbon bars flipped in the -5mm mode to bring the front end as low as possible due to the extra height of the 120mm A2C height. The climbing power/leverage is pretty awesome and the 120mm fork is wicked on the way down through the chunky/loose stuff.

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    When you see it in an XL, the appearance and functionality just kind of grows on you... that side shot makes it look like a party in the front with the 120mm fork, AND ALL business out back. A reverse Mullet!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    When you see it in an XL, the appearance and functionality just kind of grows on you... that side shot makes it look like a party in the front with the 120mm fork, AND ALL business out back. A reverse Mullet!!!
    Yup, but wait until you RIDE it!
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    More pix and weight up here now ..

    http://www.bikerumor.com/2011/06/21/...spension-29er/

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    wow, nice, i mean, very nice...sick bike!!!

    now, what would the longer chainstay do with its performance?

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    Why no XXL ? is there a plan to have that size ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmngueko View Post
    Why no XXL ? is there a plan to have that size ?
    That struck me odd as well, for the 6'4" - 6'5"+ racers, but Niner doesn't have the XXL size in any of their frames - so it is keeping within their sizing ideology. Specialized doesn't offer the XXL in the S-Works Epic or Epic Expert Carbon either.

    Tallboy, Superfly 100, etc... do, however if you need that extra couple of centimeters in ETT for your carbon FS frame.

    By the way, I think the new JET carbon frame looks pretty dang sweet in terms of the tube shaping. But then again, I'm a guy who loves curves. Can't ever get enough curves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    That struck me odd as well, for the 6'4" - 6'5"+ racers, but Niner doesn't have the XXL size in any of their frames - so it is keeping within their sizing ideology. Specialized doesn't offer the XXL in the S-Works Epic or Epic Expert Carbon either.

    Tallboy, Superfly 100, etc... do, however if you need that extra couple of centimeters in ETT for your carbon FS frame.

    By the way, I think the new JET carbon frame looks pretty dang sweet in terms of the tube shaping. But then again, I'm a guy who loves curves. Can't ever get enough curves...

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    Isn't the TB a "smallish" XXL ? Superfly 100 maybe a more true XXL when looking at ETT

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Yup, but wait until you RIDE it!
    I may have to come out to the office in Ft. Collins to take you up on that offer!

    Then, I'd have to sell my Kermit Green XL Jet to make room in the Man Cave for a CJ9.

    Wait a sec, you have any of these ready in XL in the demo Niner Fleet? When will they be out and about around So Cal?

    I'd like to see the taco /seat brace extend to all the way to the top of the seat post. Makes a big difference for us 6' 5" guys that use the whole 410mm of a Thomson seat post for proper leg extension on the pedals. Just saying... a few aluminum frames of another brand weren't up to the task of handling what I could dish out, and promptly cracked in 3 to 4 months, two of them in rapid succession. Though I should add, I've never crunched a hydroformed aluminum frame yet with failure at the welds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfdog93 View Post
    Isn't the TB a "smallish" XXL ? Superfly 100 maybe a more true XXL when looking at ETT
    Smallish? Depends on how you look at it and which frames you are comparing. They are all pretty close to the same in some of the brands' XXL sizes for ETT....

    Leviathan 29x4" XXL - 65.1cm
    Tallboy XXL - 65.8cm
    Superfly 100 XXL - 66cm
    Ventana El Rey XXL - 66.2cm
    Specialized FSR XXL - 66.5cm
    Ventana El Capitan XXL - 66.8cm

    Stack and reach measurements also to be taken into consideration.

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    LOL, Nice!!
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    Is the seat tube angle geometry reflective of a sagged shock? 74.5 degrees is very steep for a sagged angle, on the size large (100mm fork).

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    Brett, that sick SS of yours isn't showing up at the Laramie Enduro by chance is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Half of Niner Bikes works out of the Fort Collins, CO office where we have engineering, rider support and our sales department. If you ride the trails here you are likely to see us and maybe even proto bikes we are riding/testing.

    Here is the XL, someone above was looking to see what the XL looked like, minus gears though.

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    You guys are killing me!! I just built my XL air9 carbon and now you come out with this bike!! I told Adam to add me to the list......................By the time this year is over my credit card is going to start smoking!!

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    Can the medium frame support a Clyde??

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    Can the medium frame support a Clyde??
    Might need to tell him your weight,Some people claim to be a clyde at 225 lb
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    "Yeah, I really like it, good bike, but really.. y'all should make a lighter one in carbon, ya know, with all swoopy tubes and all... Hey, while you are at that, why not patent the suspension concept? Yah, I know it allready exists, but you could say you invented it for big wheels, so people would still think you're original, right? I mean, people believe everything, ghe ghe ghe, they believed the weapons of mass destruction theory for a while. Just do what I did: By the time they find out it's a marketing tric, you are out of office, spending time on stuff that really matters, like riding bikes yourself."



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    Well in the right hands the RDO probably is a weapon of mass destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyoracerX View Post
    Brett, that sick SS of yours isn't showing up at the Laramie Enduro by chance is it?
    I'm not sure if I'm going to race the J9rdo. The 17 pound rigid ss is sure sounding like the right bike for that course. A few of the choppy sections the J9rdo would be nice, but there are a lot of smooth dirt road miles in that race. Post mile 50 the fs would sure be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    I'm not sure if I'm going to race the J9rdo. The 17 pound rigid ss is sure sounding like the right bike for that course.
    I'll be on the lookout for the guy on the AC rigid with the loose teeth around mile 40 then

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
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    I'd say at least 3 inches, maybe even 4 inches...it's really aggressive but very very fast.
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    I suspect that the design creates such different reactions because some people have not yet been able to free their minds from the constraints inflicted by over a century of the tube-and-joint paradigm.

    To me this seems like a straightforward case of putting the material where it can do the most good with respect to the combined effective force vectors, eliminating stress risers and providing the necessary strength with a minimum of weight. Form following function rather than tradition.

    It would not surprise me at all if the designers/engineers were familiar with the work of Antoní Gaudí and the unbelievably elegant geometry that supports his underlying architectural concepts:
    http://www.sagradafamilia.cat/sf-eng...itectura_d.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by wedge View Post
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    Some may like it, but I don't. Although I prefer straight tubes, much like those of the old Ventanas and Turners ( had them both before), I was smitten by the SC Nomad when it first came out. Love the curves of those.

    But I can't really look straight at the RDO. Something's off. Don't know what. Although Niner would defend that their style follows function, it just isn't pretty. But that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daner View Post
    I suspect that the design creates such different reactions because some people have not yet been able to free their minds from the constraints inflicted by over a century of the tube-and-joint paradigm.

    To me this seems like a straightforward case of putting the material where it can do the most good with respect to the combined effective force vectors, eliminating stress risers and providing the necessary strength with a minimum of weight. Form following function rather than tradition.

    It would not surprise me at all if the designers/engineers were familiar with the work of Antoní Gaudí and the unbelievably elegant geometry that supports his underlying architectural concepts:
    http://www.sagradafamilia.cat/sf-eng...itectura_d.php
    http://www.sagradafamilia.cat/sf-eng...df/geom_07.pdf
    Ahhh, you must be an architect, or at least have an appreciation for architecture. I'm an architect as well and certainly appreciate and understand the ideas behind Gaudi's forward thinking work. But, with that said, I'm also a traditionalist in building design and appreciate the simplicity of ornament vs decoration as outlined by Adolf Loos in Ornament and Crime. Ornament being an expression of structure/necessity and decoration being applied with no value other than aesthetics. Its an interesting dichotomy of form follows function and traditional design and the blending of the two. After all, its still has two wheels so its a Bi-Cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGrant View Post
    Ahhh, you must be an architect, or at least have an appreciation for architecture. I'm an architect as well and certainly appreciate and understand the ideas behind Gaudi's forward thinking work. But, with that said, I'm also a traditionalist in building design and appreciate the simplicity of ornament vs decoration as outlined by Adolf Loos in Ornament and Crime. Ornament being an expression of structure/necessity and decoration being applied with no value other than aesthetics. Its an interesting dichotomy of form follows function and traditional design and the blending of the two. After all, its still has two wheels so its a Bi-Cycle.
    Not an architect, but my father was a masonry contractor and I have been aware of Gaudí and other feats of architecture and engineering since the early 70's. Switched majors from an art/design/engineering emphasis to physical therapy back in the mid-80's because I was more comfortable dealing with imperfections of design and execution that were not due to my own limitations. ;-)

    Hard to talk about Gaudí without being overwhelmed by his ornamentation, but that is exactly what I meant to do. If you look beyond the fluff and consider the way that the underlying structures are the result of painstaking deconstruction and understanding of the laws of nature, you can see a different and perhaps more functionally sound form of minimalism at work.

    https://www.sagradafamilia.cat/sf-en...estruct_02.pdf

    Here's another example of natural, functional minimalism. No straight lines or right angles here:

    Don't get me wrong, I appreciate tubes and lugs and CNC'd aluminum and the wonderfully wide varieties of two-wheeled tradition as much as anybody else, but I believe that much of that original aesthetic sensibility that permeated cycling during most of the 20th century was born of the necessity of using the best high-strength material available during the genesis of the cycling revolution. With the availability of newer materials and methods, I feel that it is a waste to simply apply them using old patterns (straight-gauge tube and lug carbon, for example.)

    Pioneers in the field of vehicle engineering such as John Britten and Gordon Murray have shown that the use of new materials should not be constrained to fit patterns that have proven to be optimal for older materials. Non-suspended bikes may indeed be most efficiently and functionally served by some form of the diamond frame, no matter what the material or construction method, but it is still much too early to say that we have any consensus on the optimal design for suspension frames. This one is just another evolutionary step that brings us closer to an optimal application of new materials, new manufacturing methods and new understandings of the most efficient way to solve the engineering challenges associated with the locations and loads associated with the suspension design as well as the inputs from feet, hands, saddle and underlying surface.

    To paraphrase the old saying, there are a lot of interesting ways to skin a cat, and more than just cats to skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daner View Post
    Not an architect, but my father was a masonry contractor and I have been aware of Gaudí and other feats of architecture and engineering since the early 70's. Switched majors from an art/design/engineering emphasis to physical therapy back in the mid-80's because I was more comfortable dealing with imperfections of design and execution that were not due to my own limitations. ;-)

    Hard to talk about Gaudí without being overwhelmed by his ornamentation, but that is exactly what I meant to do. If you look beyond the fluff and consider the way that the underlying structures are the result of painstaking deconstruction and understanding of the laws of nature, you can see a different and perhaps more functionally sound form of minimalism at work.

    http://www.sagradafamilia.cat/sf-eng...estruct_02.pdf

    Here's another example of natural, functional minimalism. No straight lines or right angles here:

    Don't get me wrong, I appreciate tubes and lugs and CNC'd aluminum and the wonderfully wide varieties of two-wheeled tradition as much as anybody else, but I believe that much of that original aesthetic sensibility that permeated cycling during most of the 20th century was born of the necessity of using the best high-strength material available during the genesis of the cycling revolution. With the availability of newer materials and methods, I feel that it is a waste to simply apply them using old patterns (straight-gauge tube and lug carbon, for example.)

    Pioneers in the field of vehicle engineering such as John Britten and Gordon Murray have shown that the use of new materials should not be constrained to fit patterns that have proven to be optimal for older materials. Non-suspended bikes may indeed be most efficiently and functionally served by some form of the diamond frame, no matter what the material or construction method, but it is still much too early to say that we have any consensus on the optimal design for suspension frames. This one is just another evolutionary step that brings us closer to an optimal application of new materials, new manufacturing methods and new understandings of the most efficient way to solve the engineering challenges associated with the locations and loads associated with the suspension design as well as the inputs from feet, hands, saddle and underlying surface.

    To paraphrase the old saying, there are a lot of interesting ways to skin a cat, and more than just cats to skin.
    exceedingly well put.
    the Gaudí example is very interesting and well thought out.
    your example from Arches i think is misplaced. That is not minimalism, it is an ongoing process of decay.
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    Does it say anything about the bottom bracket? I think I read everything on this thread, and scoured the Niner site, but didn't see anything. Std. 68/73? BB30? PF30? PF92?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    your example from Arches i think is misplaced. That is not minimalism, it is an ongoing process of decay.
    I only meant that as an example from nature illustrating a maximal span using a minimum of material. I know that it is decay and not design, but I think it is a more memorable illustration of my point than an eggshell or a thighbone, even if it is less valid.

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    I agree, well said, and summed up. I understand the relationship to Arches National park, but that is a God created structure that is weathering away in nature, but structural simplicity none the less.

    And although the design of the new frame does not appeal to me personally from an aesthetic standpoint (and I'm a huge Niner fan) I feel confident that the design is one of structural integrity by blending material properties, function, and aesthetics.

    Art/Architecture/Design is a wonderful thing...but very subjective as applied to appealing to the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dje31 View Post
    does it say anything about the bottom bracket? I think i read everything on this thread, and scoured the niner site, but didn't see anything. Std. 68/73? Bb30? Pf30? Pf92?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGrant View Post
    I agree, well said, and summed up. I understand the relationship to Arches National park, but that is a God created structure that is weathering away in nature, but structural simplicity none the less.

    And although the design of the new frame does not appeal to me personally from an aesthetic standpoint (and I'm a huge Niner fan) I feel confident that the design is one of structural integrity by blending material properties, function, and aesthetics.

    Art/Architecture/Design is a wonderful thing...but very subjective as applied to appealing to the masses.
    Hugely subjective, and not by any stretch of the imagination logical, but whether I like the looks or not I admire those who are brave enough to attempt to forge a new sensibility based upon the best possible function rather than being slaves to tradition (OK) or fashion (less OK).

    The lowest levels of bike design hell are reserved for those who attempt to copy the looks of a functional design while getting the engineering details just wrong enough to make it clear that they have no clue as to why the original looked like it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daner View Post
    The lowest levels of bike design hell are reserved for those who attempt to copy the looks of a functional design while getting the engineering details just wrong enough to make it clear that they have no clue as to why the original looked like it did.
    I could not agree more! And I too commend those in the industry that are pushing the boundaries in both design and function.

    And I'll add this...one of the main reasons I like Niner so much is they made a decision to ONLY make 29er frames. ONLY 29ers! They are not trying to appeal to the masses and be everything to everybody, but trying to make A single array of products the best it can be. And by golly, I have to say, of the Niners I've ridden - they got it right!
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    Really FUGLY!!!!

    And the geometry looks ok for XC, but does not look like it would be very fun with those long chainstays and steep head angle (typical for Niner, though).
    May the air be filled with tires!

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    My back and neck winced upon reading this...
    Works great for me...you are just jealous of my lack of spacers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daner View Post
    Pioneers in the field of vehicle engineering such as John Britten and Gordon Murray have shown that the use of new materials should not be constrained to fit patterns that have proven to be optimal for older materials..
    Very well put (all of it). We are seeing a lot of rethinking now that carbon has moved beyond the "mimic steel" phase. Same thing is happening to aluminum alloys, with the advancements in hydroforming.

    Madfiber is a great non-frame example of this new approach - companies keep trying to make carbon rims that mimic metal extrusions and traditional metal spoke requirements. For carbon, this doesn't really make sense, so they have radically altered their manufacturing techniques to take advantage of the properties of carbon rather than fight them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones View Post
    Some more pics I am finally getting to download...Our CO office is next door to Chuck E Cheese.
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    Hey fellas, is it really true that Al Gore invented the 29'er ????
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    If an xxl tangerine were available, I'd be pulling out the cc right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfdog93 View Post
    If an xxl tangerine were available, I'd be pulling out the cc right now.
    Here's for two Niner! How many more can we get?
    I'll take it in steath black though.

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    black one is beautiful. Is the frame lighter than the other,?

    have you got picutres of the air 9 carbone licorice? thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Some more pics I am finally getting to download...Our CO office is next door to Chuck E Cheese.
    Nice!

    Can you tell me which one is what size?

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    Sweet! Need to sell some bike parts to raise $$ for an XL.
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    Is it really true the little Bush created the debt crisis?

    Quote Originally Posted by canshooter View Post
    Hey fellas, is it really true that Al Gore invented the 29'er ????
    Here's to sweat in your eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Works great for me...you are just jealous of my lack of spacers.
    I can't lie!

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    Tang and Vana White are L size, the Black is XL. The tang J9RDO in front of the skeeball is a size small.

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    How is this bike for all around riding?? Expedition length adventure racing mainly and later this year I will be hitting the La Ruta in CR which is hard climbing with long, rutty, muddy downhills...I've never ridden the La Ruta but I hear the downhills are steep and really rutted so I'm not sure about the steep head angle?? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by bncrshr77 View Post
    How is this bike for all around riding?? Expedition length adventure racing mainly and later this year I will be hitting the La Ruta in CR which is hard climbing with long, rutty, muddy downhills...I've never ridden the La Ruta but I hear the downhills are steep and really rutted so I'm not sure about the steep head angle?? Thanks
    I would think it would be good but I would put a 120mm fork on it,it will still climb good & be better on the rutted down hill.
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    Curious about the stiffness. The alloy J9 isn't rec'ed for Clydes, typically. I'm at 220 right now, but can get to 190.

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    Good job!

    Sitting here rocking back and forth trying to think what the frame lines remind me of.

    No, my chair looks more futuristic and less like a piece of furniture than the bike.

    I will say if it is anything like most 29ers from Niner as far as geometry and handling, this bike will rock !
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    does anyone know if there is room between the top tube and down tube for carrying/shouldering the bike on hike a bike sections?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bncrshr77 View Post
    does anyone know if there is room between the top tube and down tube for carrying/shouldering the bike on hike a bike sections?
    With a bottle cage fitted, I doubt it. Just go crucifixion styles.
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    Not too sure about crucifixion style for any length of time!! Dang...I would hate for that to be the reason I don't get the bike...but ohh well...

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    Is the water bottle space on the small as tight as it is on the alloy? I just got a 16oz in with a sideloader and some spacer work on a small alloy Jet and hoping that the carbon has a smidge more room.
    Hoping that black is as good looking in person. If it is hopefully one will be mine shortly.......

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    Holy bad judgement Batman!

    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Half of Niner Bikes works out of the Fort Collins, CO office where we have engineering, rider support and our sales department. If you ride the trails here you are likely to see us and maybe even proto bikes we are riding/testing.

    Here is the XL, someone above was looking to see what the XL looked like, minus gears though.

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    A picture of Niner's new model as a bastardized single speed bike using a derailleur of all things is almost as much proof of company bad judgement as proudly posting a picture of one of the worst presidents in history proudly riding one of their products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    A picture of Niner's new model as a bastardized single speed bike using a derailleur of all things is almost as much proof of company bad judgement as proudly posting a picture of one of the worst presidents in history proudly riding one of their products.
    Stay far away.
    this is the stupidest comment i've read in a long time. congrats.
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    ... and if we just ... BB Height

    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Tang and Vana White are L size, the Black is XL. The tang J9RDO in front of the skeeball is a size small.

    Cheers, Brett
    Hi Brett,
    I'm very excited about the J9 RDO - I currently own an Air 9 & One 9 and I was wondering what the centreline BB height from the ground is for the Jet 9 RDO with a 100mm fork please?

    If possible, do you have any more pictures of the small and preferably with a water bottle in there so we can see what sort of bottle can actually fit? That would really be handy.

    Thanks for also including the bottle cage mount on the underside of DT too - BIG
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    A picture of Niner's new model as a bastardized single speed bike using a derailleur of all things is almost as much proof of company bad judgement as proudly posting a picture of one of the worst presidents in history proudly riding one of their products.
    Stay far away.
    That's Obama?

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    It's good the wars are winding down...

    Quote Originally Posted by JeroenK View Post
    "Yeah, I really like it, good bike, but really.. y'all should make a lighter one in carbon, ya know, with all swoopy tubes and all... Hey, while you are at that, why not patent the suspension concept? Yah, I know it allready exists, but you could say you invented it for big wheels, so people would still think you're original, right? I mean, people believe everything, ghe ghe ghe, they believed the weapons of mass destruction theory for a while. Just do what I did: By the time they find out it's a marketing tric, you are out of office, spending time on stuff that really matters, like riding bikes yourself."



    Could not resist . Probably got the accent all wrong, not being a native English speaker.

    ... and there's plentiful supplies of carbon fiber materials again for peaceful purposes.

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    Nice been wanting to try out a 29er

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    this is the stupidest comment i've read in a long time. congrats.
    You don't read the all mountain forum much, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedge View Post
    You don't read the all mountain forum much, do you?
    holy cheet this is funny!
    i actually thought about putting that in parentheses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyMTB View Post
    Hi Brett,
    I'm very excited about the J9 RDO - I currently own an Air 9 & One 9 and I was wondering what the centreline BB height from the ground is for the Jet 9 RDO with a 100mm fork please?

    If possible, do you have any more pictures of the small and preferably with a water bottle in there so we can see what sort of bottle can actually fit? That would really be handy.

    Thanks for also including the bottle cage mount on the underside of DT too - BIG

    Hi BillyMTB,

    Attached are pics of the size small, KING cage with a LARGE bottle. This frame design allows big bottles to fit real well in the new J9rdo size small. I'm not sure if you have looked at the geo chart on our website but our size small has the greatest standover height at 27.2 inches. This is almost two inches or more than some of the other frames in this class and the best standover in our lineup.

    BB drop for size small is 35mm. We never publish BB heights because listing "X" mm is inaccurate way to measure a bike because Fox, Rock Shox, etc. A2C's are all different as well as tire sizes, etc.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    BB drop for size small is 35mm. We never publish BB heights because listing "X" mm is inaccurate way to measure a bike because Fox, Rock Shox, etc. A2C's are all different as well as tire sizes, etc.
    Don't changes in A-C affect BB drop by exactly the same amount as they affect BB height?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Don't changes in A-C affect BB drop by exactly the same amount as they affect BB height?
    A-C and BB drop are both affected the same but I think he was talking more about the effects of tire size, rim width, and inflation. When I draw a frame BB drop is the only thing I have control over. I dont decide what tires the people use when they ride a frame i design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Hi BillyMTB,

    Attached are pics of the size small, KING cage with a LARGE bottle. This frame design allows big bottles to fit real well in the new J9rdo size small. I'm not sure if you have looked at the geo chart on our website but our size small has the greatest standover height at 27.2 inches. This is almost two inches or more than some of the other frames in this class and the best standover in our lineup.

    BB drop for size small is 35mm. We never publish BB heights because listing "X" mm is inaccurate way to measure a bike because Fox, Rock Shox, etc. A2C's are all different as well as tire sizes, etc.

    Cheers,

    Brett
    Hi Brett,
    Thanks for taking the time to post the info & pictures of the small with the bottle, it really does help, don't know what I was fussing about, big bottle fits, amazing! I also use King Ti cages so your photos are perfect! BB height, I'm guessing with that BB drop and a set of Maxxis Beavers or Kenda Karmas the BB height will be roughly around 330mm which is ok for me.

    Nice detail touches with this frame like the titanium frame guards, inclusion of chain stay protector and film protection to underside of downtube to name a few, makes a real difference.

    I've been waiting for a carbon Jet 9 for quite a while now, knew it would come eventually

    I am putting a deposit on one today so I dont miss out on the September run!

    Thanks,

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    Does anyone saw a comparison against the Tallboy? I was about to order a tallboy but know Niner make me think about it. Thoughts??

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinepr View Post
    Does anyone saw a comparison against the Tallboy? I was about to order a tallboy but know Niner make me think about it. Thoughts??
    I sold my Jet9 & Rip9 that I loved brought a Tallboy that I hate & have a New Jet9 RDO coming & the Tallboy can't go down the road quick enough IMO.
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    Sorry if this is off the thread topic....

    Muzzanic:

    What did you dislike about the Tallboy as compared to the Jet9? I only ask because I am considering a new frame next spring. I am afraid the Tallboy and the RDO will be out of my budget anyway..so I have been leaning heavily towards the Jet.

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    My Tallboy is awesome...Better then my RIP... Have not got a chance to ride a RDO yet. I would think they are pretty close....
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    Muzzanic:

    What did you dislike about the Tallboy as compared to the Jet9? I only ask because I am considering a new frame next spring. I am afraid the Tallboy and the RDO will be out of my budget anyway..so I have been leaning heavily towards the Jet.
    He's been blasting that opinion to anyone who will listen. Naturally, he knows the RDO's awesomeness will be diametrically opposed to the Tallboy's wretchedness. Try to find anyone with an opinion remotely as negative about the Tallboy than his is. It's all tribalistic chest-pounding.

    I suspect once both frames can be ridden the question will be in what ways they are different, not just how absurdly one can state a prefer for one over another. The Niner has a higher bottom bracket and a little longer stay. I'd personally like the extra ground clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancruz View Post
    My Tallboy is awesome...Better then my RIP... Have not got a chance to ride a RDO yet. I would think they are pretty close....
    I've owned a JET, RIP, and TB. I preferred the JET to the RIP, the RIP being too plush and too much travel for me. My TB has a Push'ed RT-3 so I can't compare to stock, but my TB is much more compliant than the JET was. 110mm vs 80mm fork had something to do with that as well, but I strongly prefer the TB to the JET and RIP. If I were doing it today I'd give strong consideration to the RDO of course. I don't think anyone can speculate how it will compare to the TB yet, at least not fairly.

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    Well 1st up you need to understand that not all bikes work for all people.

    I am not like some coming off a low budget hard tale bike & going onto a big dollar Tallboy & getting such a big jump in bike that it would blow your mind,I am coming off a 2010 Jet9 with XX group & a 2009 Rip9 with XX group so the Tallboy move for me is not a complete bike upgrade for me it is a frame change so the frame would need to work very well to get me jumping with joy.

    I am not someone that is saying I test rode a Tallboy & didn't like it so I didn't buy it ( because they didn't have the money anyway )

    This is the Tallboy that I paid for with my own money to ride & having read heaps of reviews.

    I couldn't test ride a Tallboy before I brought 1 because the local Santa Cruz dealers don't have a demo & although the 2 owners have a heap of bikes each, Neither of them have a Tallboy ( Is this odd ? ) so if the local Santa Cruz dealer won't buy or ride a Tallboy for were I ride why would it be strange for me not to like it ? ( I have never seen 1 on the trails here but there will be some )

    In New Zealand a New Tallboy frame ( frame & rear shock only ) retails for $4250.00 New Zealand dollars so although that is alot of money you can build 1 up much cheaper than 2 x Niners with XX groups so I did want the Tallboy to be the answer for me, But it is not.

    The Tallboys low BB & the way the bike pedals in the granny ring in very Tech stuff at low speed is the deal braker for me, It is not as good as what i'm used to.

    So will the Jet9 RDO be the bike for me ? I will find out.

    If the Jet9 RDO works somewere between what my Rip9 & Jet9 does but is the weight of the Tallboy it will do for now, But It will need to be alot better than that to stop me wanting a Rip9 carbon.

    So I'm not beating my chest I'm looking at how much money I have blown buying the Tallboy but I did beleave that it would suit me & I was wrong.

    Some would say not for the 1st time & it won't be the last time either.

    So if you like your Tallboys good for you,

    Quote Originally Posted by slim2none View Post
    Muzzanic:

    What did you dislike about the Tallboy as compared to the Jet9? I only ask because I am considering a new frame next spring. I am afraid the Tallboy and the RDO will be out of my budget anyway..so I have been leaning heavily towards the Jet.
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    Two weeks later, I can say the new design is "not that bad" (I initially thought it was freakin ugly). Maybe in a couple months I will like it

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj View Post
    I suspect once both frames can be ridden the question will be in what ways they are different, not just how absurdly one can state a prefer for one over another. The Niner has a higher bottom bracket and a little longer stay. I'd personally like the extra ground clearance.
    I personally prefer shorter chainstays, but a higher bottom bracket is nice too.

    Both the Tallboy and the Jet9RDO are essentially the same weight and same price. The geometries are also nearly identical, except for the chainstay length and bottom bracket height. Both the CVA and VPP suspensions work great, but I think the CVA performs more consistently across the different chainring sizes. I think it comes down to personal preference and which one you can get the best deal on.

    And I don't think the J9RDO is ugly -- I actually think it looks pretty cool. I'd probably go with the solid black color, though, since it doesn't accentuate the curves as much.

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    is there actually a photo of George Bush in which the look on his face does not make him look like he's a complete tool?, just wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    I personally prefer shorter chainstays, but a higher bottom bracket is nice too.

    Both the Tallboy and the Jet9RDO are essentially the same weight and same price. The geometries are also nearly identical, except for the chainstay length and bottom bracket height. Both the CVA and VPP suspensions work great, but I think the CVA performs more consistently across the different chainring sizes. I think it comes down to personal preference and which one you can get the best deal on.

    And I don't think the J9RDO is ugly -- I actually think it looks pretty cool. I'd probably go with the solid black color, though, since it doesn't accentuate the curves as much.
    I agree, they look remarkably similar on paper. Also agree on the look. I think the black will be very good. The color options are better for me than the Tallboy ones, but I don't consider it all that important.

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