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    New (to me) Singular Swift!!

    I just got my ebay Singular Swift from UPS. I slammed the build in like 30 minutes. I can't wait to get this thing dirty. Okay, I didn't blow too much time cleaning the old parts, but you get what I mean.

    Anyway, I'm stoked. The ebay seller's pics looked less than perfect, but IRL the finish shines nicely, and the color is more gray than blue.

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    Build thus far:

    Singular Swift frame, Large
    Phil Wood EBB insert
    Reba SL fork, 80mm (I may change this to 100)
    DT Swiss X470 rims
    Front Real disc hub
    Deore quick release
    Rear, Pro2 Singlespeed hub, bolt on.
    DT Swiss Comp spokes, brass nipples
    Hope Mono Mini brakes, 160mm regular rotors front and rear
    Cane Creek S3 headset
    Forte Team stem (gonna change this)
    Forte CRT carbon riser bar (gonna change this to a Titec H-Bar on Wed)
    Ergon grips
    XTR M952 180mm cranks
    XTR Octalink 1 bottom bracket
    XTR SPD pedals
    Jericho SufferRing, 34t
    Homebrew Components alu/stainless steel 21t cog
    KMC Z410 chain
    WTB Exiwolf 2.3 front tire
    Maxxis Ignitor rear tire
    Sette APX seatpost stripped to silver, 27.2mm
    Bontrager XLite saddle with Ti rails.
    Lunar Lite innertubes
    Garmin Edge 305 computer with speed sensor
    Performance Bike stainless steel bottle cages.

    Items to be changed:
    Stem is going to be swapped out for a polished silver stem
    Titec H-Bar to be installed, but I'm going to strip the black ano finish back to silver first (or not)
    I need a QR seatpost collar. My purdy silver Hope collar didn't fit.
    Swap out black S3 headset for a silver one.

    BTW, this frame is not light. Somehow, I read it was in the 5 pound range, and it came out to 5.8 pounds with EBB insert and alu headset cups. I can live with it, but I was hoping to shed more weight from my MC29er.
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    Nice!

    Nice.

    I really like the geometry of those bikes, I think Singular got it all "right" with that design. I'd be proud to own one.

    Hope you enjoy it

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    Nice! I like how Singular didn't stiff the tall guys on head tube.
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    Very nice.

    Wow, 13 minutes and Mr.Judgemental hasn't criticized the riser bar and flipped stem.

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    nice....are you gonna keep it single or run gears ever? i like my gryphon, i've ridden it a lot on the local santa cruz trails and it feels great when things get twisty and steep even w/a rigid fork. when it gets steep it feels like you can still stay in the bike and soak things up w/your body, you don't really have to stay super far back off the saddle. please post up a ride report when you get some time in, it'd be nice to here some comparisons contrasting w/the monocog, enjoy.

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    Sweet! The H-Bar came early

    Ahhh... that's bettah....

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    I thought I had some bar tape at home, but I don't Another trip to the LBS, I guess.

    Next issue, rear brake hose is a bit too short. Dangit!!

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    Nativeson: I'll probably mess with rigid, and with gears at some point (maybe both at the same time!). Last rigid I rode, my wrists were pounded.

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    12345 wups!

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    i think the colour is officially called 'sonic blue' ... it does kind of grow on you in a baby blue kind of way ...

    i agree that it isn't the lightest frame out there, but it feels light when riding it ... have only had a few rides on mine since building it, but am very impressed with it so far ...

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    Holy extendo bars inspector gadget!

    Nice bike pimpy. Now you can clean any and all climbs at CC.

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    everytime i see an image of a swift i want one more, my mind goes back and forth between drop bars and riser bars, choices are great, but stuff costs money. i'd love a comparison between the swift and the new steel el mariachi. anyone? but you know what, i was riding w/todd/black cat a few weeks back and just pedaled his bike in circles and you couldn't believe how different his custom geometry feels. so tight and light, almost felt like a 26" style bmx, if only.

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    Damn! You wasted no time!

    Sweet looking rig- hope we can ride again soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nativeson
    ... i'd love a comparison between the swift and the new steel el mariachi. anyone? ...
    as well as my swift, i also have an older el mariachi [the mojo red one] ...

    the rides are very different but both are fun to ride ... the EM feels like it is a more upright riding position, the swift feels lighter and faster [could just be the gearing and the tyres though] ...
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    Looking good! I'm not sure if you got a rigid fork with it, but I know a guy[ahem! me.] who can get you one if'n your interested in the stock version. I've ridden a Salsa El M too, but only the first generation one. Both fun bikes [of course], but different rides. The Swift is smoother, where the El M is a touch sharper. I'd sure like to ride a new swinger version though to really test 'em out.
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    I got the matching fork

    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    Looking good! I'm not sure if you got a rigid fork with it, but I know a guy[ahem! me.] who can get you one if'n your interested in the stock version. I've ridden a Salsa El M too, but only the first generation one. Both fun bikes [of course], but different rides. The Swift is smoother, where the El M is a touch sharper. I'd sure like to ride a new swinger version though to really test 'em out.

    It's just my wrists aren't strong enough to ride it for any distance comfortably. I'll probably slap it on and ride it at some point. This is just the initial build.

    Yeah, I love rigid. The super nimble point and shoot thing is a blast.

    Anyway, I poached the silver Cane Creek S2 form my wife's bike. I have another headset that needs bearing cartridges that I can put back in there.

    *edit*

    Maybe the ergon grips will help out in the wrist/rigid fork department.
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    Btw...

    I just ordered some new silver hoses... should be here later this week.

    I got a fresh pack of bar tape, and will have the rest of the silver Cane Creak (ha!) headset I robbed from my wife's bike (and will be traded with a black one) on tonight. Nearly dialed in!



    Purdy bike, Hoogie!

    Quote Originally Posted by hoogie
    i think the colour is officially called 'sonic blue' ... it does kind of grow on you in a baby blue kind of way ...

    i agree that it isn't the lightest frame out there, but it feels light when riding it ... have only had a few rides on mine since building it, but am very impressed with it so far ...

    Looks sweet! You running 1x9 or is there a front derailleur back there for a 2x9? I wonder what the best way it to route a cable for a front derailleur? There is a cable stop under the BB shell, but it looks like at that angle, the cable will saw into the shell.

    I'd like to try this geared at some point, but I want to do it in a modular kinda way... so I can just bolt on my gearie parts and go. I'll bet this bike is a blast geared, too.
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    looking good...

    Glad you like the bike pimpbot.

    The Ergons will help CONSIDERABLY when using the rigid fork...at least I thought so.

    Enjoy it!

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    Sure!

    Quote Originally Posted by badgermtb
    Glad you like the bike pimpbot.

    The Ergons will help CONSIDERABLY when using the rigid fork...at least I thought so.

    Enjoy it!
    Thanks for the frame deal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot



    Purdy bike, Hoogie!

    Looks sweet! You running 1x9 or is there a front derailleur back there for a 2x9? I wonder what the best way it to route a cable for a front derailleur? There is a cable stop under the BB shell, but it looks like at that angle, the cable will saw into the shell.

    I'd like to try this geared at some point, but I want to do it in a modular kinda way... so I can just bolt on my gearie parts and go. I'll bet this bike is a blast geared, too.
    thanks for that ...

    yes it is running 1x9 ... 32x36/12 ... seems to work well for what i use it for, although i am thinking of swapping the rear cassette with the standard one off my salsa el mariachi [34/11] or putting on a 34T front ring ... dunno if it is the tyres or the better wheels/hubs offering less resistance or slightly smaller diameter, but it seems a bit undergeared compared to the salsa ... it certainly feels smoother and faster ...

    i looked at the front deraileur routing as well wondering how it would go ... have been told that 2 cables will fit quite well on those thingy's on the downtube ...

    since the pic was taken i have changed the bashring so it looks more in keeping with the crankset and not so industrial ... and in hindsight and from the bike store after replacing the chain i broke, i probably would have gone for a medium cage rear deraileur rather than the short cage ...
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    Looks good homeboy. Looking forward to seeing it in person.

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    this forum needs a singular bike thread. i'm runnin my gryphon 3x9 and the front derailleur cable rubs the bb shell but only in the smallest spot, i guess time will tell if the wear will get bad....nothing a sticker or duct tape can't fix in a pinch. two cables fit fine on the down tube cable hanger thingies, i think i had to use a zip tie though.

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    Yep, I used zip ties on mine too when I had it set up geared. I nominate you to start the thread nativeson! I've got my fair share of pictures to contribute.
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    Nice! Between the stem and the forward H-bars, you created a LONG eff. TT! How long is that stem?

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    110mm

    Quote Originally Posted by Yogii
    Nice! Between the stem and the forward H-bars, you created a LONG eff. TT! How long is that stem?
    ... and 7 degree flipped upside down.

    Not that long. I have freakishly long arms.Maybe it was just the camera angle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nativeson
    this forum needs a singular bike thread. i'm runnin my gryphon 3x9 and the front derailleur cable rubs the bb shell but only in the smallest spot, i guess time will tell if the wear will get bad....nothing a sticker or duct tape can't fix in a pinch. two cables fit fine on the down tube cable hanger thingies, i think i had to use a zip tie though.
    FWIW - my Phoenix (all of them actually) has brazed on "loops" for the cable routing under the BB. Out of paranoia I strip lengths of inner housing out and run the cables through those to protect the BB shell. The bike's been in service since about 98 with no problem with the cables sawing into the shell. The inner housings hold up well and aren't cut by the cables. I replace them whenever I replace the cables.
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    Anybody having slipping issues with the Phil Wood EBB? I've been tempted by this frame for a long time, but have an aversion to EBBs, although I've heard the Phils may be the best.

    Also, anyone have any idea how many of the older singlespeed-specific Swifts are floating around? I'd love to find one used without the superfluous cable guides to keep things clean. XL, anyone?

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    I was reluctant about the ebb too, but now I love it. Stays in place with a modest 5nm of torque. I've never had any creaks with it either, which I attribute to the precision of the fit between the bb shell and ebb.

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    What they've said...

    I was REALLY nervous about the ebb before I got mine - it seems to stay in place with 5nm of torque... as CB2 indicated. I even have a little mark I put with a sharpie from the edge of the BB shell to the Phil EBB and it has never even budged. I clean it out, re-grease once a year... usually at the end of the fall after several wet/snowy rides and that's it.

    The only thing I'd say about the ebb that I don't like is how it "scars" the insert every time you set it. At some point if I were to change gear size it may be difficult

    The Swift is just a great ride, Sam got it "spot on"!

    I'm about to get some pics of mine as it's had a few changes - perhaps I'll start a Singular Swift pic thread...

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    Add me to the list of satisfied Swift owners...


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    I think...

    Quote Originally Posted by wookieejuice
    Add me to the list of satisfied Swift owners...

    Your image link needs a fix.

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    Thanks -let's try it again...
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    I'm kinda wondering about that myself

    Quote Originally Posted by stevereeneo
    I was REALLY nervous about the ebb before I got mine - it seems to stay in place with 5nm of torque... as CB2 indicated. I even have a little mark I put with a sharpie from the edge of the BB shell to the Phil EBB and it has never even budged. I clean it out, re-grease once a year... usually at the end of the fall after several wet/snowy rides and that's it.

    The only thing I'd say about the ebb that I don't like is how it "scars" the insert every time you set it. At some point if I were to change gear size it may be difficult

    The Swift is just a great ride, Sam got it "spot on"!

    I'm about to get some pics of mine as it's had a few changes - perhaps I'll start a Singular Swift pic thread...

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    Oddly enough, the EBB was set perfectly when I got the bike. I just hit it with the torque wrench to make sure it was torqued to spec, and it was.

    Then again, my torque wrench is like 20 years old. Seems like I had to apply a lot of pressure to hit the 5nm number. I think a lunchtime trip over to Harbor Freight is in order.

    Man, I would hate to try to fix the EBB the field if it ever did slip. Fortunately, if you use real Singlespeed sprocket, cog and chain, it has less tendency to drop the chain if the tension is a bit off... so maybe that will allow for a less than dead-on-ballz ideal setup.


    Quote Originally Posted by wookieejuice
    Thanks -let's try it again...

    Nice! Lots of silver... just my thing.

    Got a bigger pic?

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    Swifts are swank.

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    I'm a satified Swift owner. I've had no problem with EBB slipage and I'm a strong 225 lbs masher. Martini is great to do business and ride with.
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    You might try it

    or borrow my soul cycles. They both have about the same AC as the reba but with more offset so maybe the ride wont be to bad on the wrists.

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    Oh, your rigid fork?

    Quote Originally Posted by jrm
    or borrow my soul cycles. They both have about the same AC as the reba but with more offset so maybe the ride wont be to bad on the wrists.
    Nah, I already have the matching rigid fork for this frame, but thanks. My fork even has the correct crown race on it!

    It would be a pretty easy peasy swap. The hardest thing would be centering the brake caliper.

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    Another happy owner here (Finland).

    In action shot here:


    I have had the Swift as geared (3x9), rigid single speed and single speed hardtail. Not sure which set-up I dig the most, probably HT SS cause that way the bike is really really versatile and still has the simplity of a single-speed.

    Currently I have ridden (gasp) a lot of 26" full-susser (Specialized Pitch Pro) but just updated the rims (Stan's Arch) on the Swift...I guess I am going to ride it alot in the fall/winter. I also might try the monstercross/drop-bar mtb type of spec - just don't like the idea of swapping the brakes for an off-road drop bar (Juicy 7's don't mix with any true off-road drop bars, right?)

    But for the local (very) unofficial cx-races something like "alt/moustache" bars, 45mm Panaracer Firecross tires and rigid set-up would be nice to try (and yes, around here we tend to ride cx on ridiculously rooty/rocky trails...just for the hell of it... )
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    I think the colour is actually called Pigeon Blue (RAL 5014), Sam advised me of this when I wanted some carbon forks spraying to match, fortunatley i have seen the error of my ways and refitted the steel fork back on mine.

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    Cool, thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by ferrit32
    I think the colour is actually called Pigeon Blue (RAL 5014), Sam advised me of this when I wanted some carbon forks spraying to match, fortunatley i have seen the error of my ways and refitted the steel fork back on mine.
    My frame has a gank on the TT from possibly a brake lever strike. I wouldn't mind scoring some of this paint in a nail polish kinda bottle for touch ups.

    So these frames are painted, and not powder coated?

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    Nope its a powder coat, but being a RAL colour any paint company worth their salt should be able to mix up a colour match (obviously subject to any fading etc)

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