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    New question here. New Continental 29er tires?

    Any new Continental 29er tires? I thought I saw somewhere (can't recal where though) about Trail Kings (renamed Rubber Queens I hear). Anything to be expected soon?

    I find Race Kings to have too short of knobs. Mountain Kings - knobs too tall and flexy. Rubber Queen/Trail King in a 29er would be just right!


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    I agree, just hope the trail king is not too heavy?

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    The key is that it has the special 'black chilli' rubber. It makes a reasonable tire great.

    I'd buy Race Kings and Trail Kings if they make 'em with Back Chilli.

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    There will be a 2.4" Trail King 29"er

    Also a 2.2" "X King", which is a tire Conti is slotting in between the Race King and Mountain King in terms of aggressiveness. The X King looks like a knobbier Race King.

    Niether of these will be offered in Black Chili compound, per the Conti tire guy I talked to in February.

    Tires should start popping up this summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    There will be a 2.4" Trail King 29"er

    Also a 2.2" "X King", which is a tire Conti is slotting in between the Race King and Mountain King in terms of aggressiveness. The X King looks like a knobbier Race King.

    Niether of these will be offered in Black Chili compound, per the Conti tire guy I talked to in February.

    Tires should start popping up this summer.

    I can't wait to hear more about this X tire. There is something about the compound or finish on the Conti tires that really do a great job of repelling the mud that normaly sticks to the sides of my other tires.
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    sounds like a race king rear / x king front might be a nice racing combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Niether of these will be offered in Black Chili compound, per the Conti tire guy I talked to in February.
    Why is that? Why do we always get worse versions than 26er kiddie wheelers? 29er discrimination, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuddleDuck
    The key is that it has the special 'black chilli' rubber. It makes a reasonable tire great.

    I'd buy Race Kings and Trail Kings if they make 'em with Back Chilli.
    So current Race King 29er tires are NOT Black Chili??

    If so, that sucks and frankly not worth it... Black Chili is really what makes Contis any good... IMO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    There will be a 2.4" Trail King 29"er

    Also a 2.2" "X King", which is a tire Conti is slotting in between the Race King and Mountain King in terms of aggressiveness. The X King looks like a knobbier Race King.

    Niether of these will be offered in Black Chili compound, per the Conti tire guy I talked to in February.

    Tires should start popping up this summer.

    Ooohhh... The "X King" sounds exactly what I'd be interested... something between RK and MK...

    Buuuut... not being offered as Black Chili would drop its appeal nearly to zero for me...

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    29er versions of popular 26er products get lower prestige and lesser quality, because they do not know if they sell enough to justify production cost. This applies every where. No S-works FS 29ers, Fisher Superfly carbon is of lower grade of OCLV whatever Trek's grades.

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    not to get OT, but SuperFly 100 is OCLV...

    anyways... I'm hoping Conti sees the light on 29er tires... Schwalbe has, and slowly offering more of their tires in 29er sizes (starting where it makes sense... light weight XC tires, race tires, etc... I wouldn't expect a Wicked Will or Muddy Mary 29er quite yet )

    C'mon CONTI!!!!!!! We want a Trail King/X King in 29er WITH Black Chili!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    OCLV but lower grade than Trek Fuel EX or Top fuel OCLV used there or I'm missing something.

    What about Red Chilli ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MI_canuck
    So current Race King 29er tires are NOT Black Chili??

    If so, that sucks and frankly not worth it... Black Chili is really what makes Contis any good... IMO...
    Correct. None of the current Conti 29er tires use Black Chili compound. Currently, Conti does not have the capability to make 29ers in Germany and they use Black Chili only in the German made tires.

    As much as I like the BC compound, I still do just fine with the "standard" rubber being used in the 29er tires. We may be getting BC 29ers within a few years after MAJOR retooling.

    The new Conti line up will include the Trail King in 2.2 and 2.4, Mt King in 2.4, X King in 2 sizes (forgot the specific widths) and the Race King. Expect them in the fall. All made in Taiwan (as are the current tires) and no BC for the time being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Correct. None of the current Conti 29er tires use Black Chili compound. Currently, Conti does not have the capability to make 29ers in Germany and they use Black Chili only in the German made tires.

    As much as I like the BC compound, I still do just fine with the "standard" rubber being used in the 29er tires. We may be getting BC 29ers within a few years after MAJOR retooling.

    The new Conti line up will include the Trail King in 2.2 and 2.4, Mt King in 2.4, X King in 2 sizes (forgot the specific widths) and the Race King. Expect them in the fall. All made in Taiwan (as are the current tires) and no BC for the time being.
    Forgot to mention this, but I was also told that the Mountain King was going to be modified to "shore up" the outside knobs to prevent them from being so squirmy, one of the major complaints against the MK tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Forgot to mention this, but I was also told that the Mountain King was going to be modified to "shore up" the outside knobs to prevent them from being so squirmy, one of the major complaints against the MK tires.
    Yup, I forgot about that, too.
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    Maybe something like the X King photos we have seen? I've noticed on this new tire they are not using the same type of knobs Conti is known for. I see a Schawlbe type style with u lock tech.
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    Good to hear, as you said, one of the major complaints on them. I'm looking forward to hitting the trails when time allows now to test out my Mtn.King 2.4" F/XC A.T R combo for the mud - rain is also on and off right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Forgot to mention this, but I was also told that the Mountain King was going to be modified to "shore up" the outside knobs to prevent them from being so squirmy, one of the major complaints against the MK tires.
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    How come Continental website does not have info of the Trail King but its available at LBS? Also, what's the X King, any pics.

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    Any chance of protection versions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Forgot to mention this, but I was also told that the Mountain King was going to be modified to "shore up" the outside knobs to prevent them from being so squirmy, one of the major complaints against the MK tires.
    that is excellent news! i have a friend with MK and he's resorted to trimming the outer knobs on his front tire since they fold over so easily while cornering...

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    Here's a preview of the X King from Jeff Kerkove's blog: http://www.jeffkerkove.net/2010/05/s...ountain-x.html

    Note: He's got 26 inch versions, but the 29"er should be similar.
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    man I hope this comes in a) 29er size and b) Black Chili .... together of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MI_canuck
    man I hope this comes in a) 29er size and b) Black Chili .... together of course!
    a) We already confirmed this.
    b) and we already addressed this (not soon).
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    29er Speed Kings??

    Are these new knobbies going to be similar to the Speed Kings? I have a set that were on my 26" and they were great for the trails around my parts. Was really disappointed to learn they didn't make them for 29ers. Would be nice if the new ones were the "middle ground" that the SK's were..
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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdownca
    Are these new knobbies going to be similar to the Speed Kings? I have a set that were on my 26" and they were great for the trails around my parts. Was really disappointed to learn they didn't make them for 29ers. Would be nice if the new ones were the "middle ground" that the SK's were..
    X King pic from https://www.jeffkerkove.net/2010/05/...ountain-x.html


    The Speed King is being discontinued.
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    Seriously... Conti needs to get off their ass and produce a 29er, X-King, Black Chili tire ASAP!!! Not in a year or two, NOW. And also provide a Tubeless option, again, with Black Chili...

    Whoever their product planners are, they should seriously all be FIRED

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    a) We already confirmed this.
    b) and we already addressed this (not soon).
    Well they need to do it soon!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MI_canuck
    Seriously... Conti needs to get off their ass and produce a 29er, X-King, Black Chili tire ASAP!!! Not in a year or two, NOW. And also provide a Tubeless option, again, with Black Chili...

    Whoever their product planners are, they should seriously all be FIRED
    *sigh*

    As much as I would love to have BC 29ers now, it is not going to happen. I am willing to wait for Conti to be able to find the budget, space, machinery and manufacturing capacity in Germany, which means a minimum of year and more like 18 months or more before they would be on the market according to my sources. They do plan on making it happen ASAP (emphasis on the "as possible").

    In the meantime, I am extremely happy there will be 6-7 29er tires (plus some tubeless ready options) in the lineup this fall. It is those product planners you want to fire that are getting these to us as it is.
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    I'll probably stick to Schwalbes for now... love my Racing Ralphs, but they were a b!tch to seal up... so i'm a little weary every ride....

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    that X King looks better, hurry up already for 29er community !

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    Weight...Wait...

    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    X King pic from https://www.jeffkerkove.net/2010/05/...ountain-x.html


    The Speed King is being discontinued.
    You should have posted the muddy tire pic...sweet.

    Any reference to weight? Will the weight fall between the two kings?

    I agree that the Black Chili Compound will be worth the wait. Tires are low cost and need to be replaced anyway...buy the Mountain-X, ride the snot out of them (or continue to use RRs, YMMV), then upgrade to the B-C M-X when they are released. Problem solved.

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    I don't care how long it takes them to come out with the new tires if they actually measure the width they state on the sidewall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Ro
    There is something about the compound or finish on the Conti tires that really do a great job of repelling the mud that normaly sticks to the sides of my other tires.
    Totally agree here in N. New England. Unfortunately the Mt. King I had on the front of my 26er was not as good a cornerer as some other tires I've had, which was sad. I wish I could get the Mt. King's carcass and rubber with the tread design of an Ardent or Eskar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erchico
    I don't care how long it takes them to come out with the new tires if they actually measure the width they state on the sidewall.
    Contis always have been (except the OEM Race Kings). The nominal width is the widest point of the tire, which is why the volume of the RK 2.2 is higher than the MK 2.4. The casing is the widest part of the former and the tread of the later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    In the meantime, I am extremely happy there will be 6-7 29er tires (plus some tubeless ready options) in the lineup this fall.
    Right on! Black Chili is great and all, but riding a bike now is even better and having those Conti offerings in the hopper for later makes it all even better than that. Betterer! If that's possible.


    It is those product planners you want to fire that are getting these to us as it is.
    Amen to that! Folks have no idea what so ever how hard those folks are pushing "Germany" to do more. You and I know, but most folks don't which is kind of a shame, really. Actually, it is ironic but the same situation exists with Schwalbe as well. The North American product guys for both of these companies are unsung heroes in 29"er terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    That is an excellent tread design, and I look forward to riding it if the volume is >= a MK.

    I'll also be interested to see what they do to the side knobs on the MK...but given how fast the Purgatory 2.4 rolls and the upcoming Bontrager 29-4, I'm not sure I'll be back on MK's anytime soon.

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    Many thanks to GT and Shiggy for updating us. Really appreciate it.

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    Any Trail King pics? I've had disastrous results on sweaty greasy rocks and roots with the MKs in the past and I'm pretty sure its the outside knobby design.

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    Just some items to note after talking with Continental at the Offenburg World Cup.

    - Yes, it will come in a 29er version. As you know, the German's are slow to catch onto what is 'hot' here in the USA. So, with that said, they are perfecting the 26 in. version first through testing...then coming out with the 29er version.

    - The tread pattern is not set in stone. While at the race, the Conti tire guy dropped off a few batches of the Mountain X....all had a difference in tread pattern.....I do not have pictures of those.

    - It will come in the same versions as all the other tires: Protection, tubeless, Black Chili, etc, etc.

    - Weight of the Mountian X is just a tad heavier than the Race King....much lighter than the Mountian King. Look for a weight averaging around 490 gr. per tire.

    <img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3164/4638803138_f27a68c039.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="2010 Offenburg World Cup" /></a>
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar
    Any Trail King pics? I've had disastrous results on sweaty greasy rocks and roots with the MKs in the past and I'm pretty sure its the outside knobby design.
    26 x 2.4 Trail King (fuzzy focus but you get the idea)
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    tyre gurus: any word on expected availability of 29er trail kings?
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    X-Kings were just released as a 26"er. I suspect the 29"er will not be far behind, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Trail King was along about the same time. I'm guessing, but my feeling is late summer.
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    We have some 26in Trail king 2.4s in wire bead-they are thick casing(more than the same size Mt. King) If the 29 version is like this and kevlar bead to shed a lil weight...this will be a good all mountian tire-not light-but burly and tough! We already have people wating on all the new 29er Conti tires! We love them here in WV!!1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    X-Kings were just released as a 26"er. I suspect the 29"er will not be far behind, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Trail King was along about the same time. I'm guessing, but my feeling is late summer.
    ...to late Fall.
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    Waiting on these to come out in 29er version.....
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    GnnnngGrArggghhhhh!.....

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    ommmmmmmmmm.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn
    GnnnngGrArggghhhhh!.....

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    ommmmmmmmmm.....
    Spring 2011......that was the last update I got.
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    looks like the New Mt Kings are more like the Trail...



    I run the mt Kings now and like them better than anything else, specially in leafy and snow conditions (not ice) about the best snow tire I have ever ridden. I do go the a Race King in the summer because of the over tall knob squirrels the MT kings have on harder surfaces. These new ones look very promising too!! going to love them in 29er me think
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Spring 2011......that was the last update I got.

    ^^^^^^^

    This is what I got as well from my distributor. The store that I work for has been selling the crap out of 29er's this year, and we asked for product to support the bike sales. We will be getting these as soon as they are avail.

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    According to the Continental iPad app, the 29er Race King is availabale in ProTection and RaceSport varieties, both with Black Chili.
    See here for screen shot...

    http://forums.mtbr.com/wheels-tires/...ml#post9095092

    Anyone lnow where to get em?

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    Good luck with that. Given Conti's disappointing history of way undersized tires, totally unsupported side knobs and just plain dropping the ball on coming thru with good 29er tires in general, I would not be surprised to be able to buy a sweet 29er tire from Goodyear first. AFAIK, Goodyear does not make bicycle tires, nor do they plan to do so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrianoo View Post
    According to the Continental iPad app, the 29er Race King is availabale in ProTection and RaceSport varieties, both with Black Chili.
    See here for screen shot...

    http://forums.mtbr.com/wheels-tires/...ml#post9095092

    Anyone lnow where to get em?
    X king and race king are diff tires...
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    Which technology in Continental 29er tyres means tubeless compatibility? Race sport or super sonic? Black chili is a must. Black chili means 180 tpi, doesn't it?

    What is a width of Race King? How does it handle moist conditions and wet rocks? Is it a good XC tyre with a good deal of trail capability?

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    I just picked up a set of Continental X-King Revolution TR 29 Tires last week for a build I'm working on. So, no trail time as of yet. One thing is for sure, they mounted on my Flows in a heartbeat. My first time mounting a tubeless setup too. The sidewalls feel nice. I'll post more later after I ride them.

    I'd post a link, but I don't have enough posts yet.

    Cheers!!!

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