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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay5280
    GT Karakoram 3.0 29er Bike - 2011 $579.00 ( Note: dose not have disc brakes )

    2011 Gravity 29 Point 2 $599.95

    2011 Motobecane Fantom 29 Trail $599.95

    Marin Bolinas Ridge 29er Bike - 2011 $659.00

    2011 Outcast 29 $499.95

    2011 Windsor Cliff 29R Comp $549.99

    Raleigh Talus Sport 29er Bike - 2011 $699.00

    So which one you guys????
    hey Jay5280, i got a great idea for you...

    why don't you test ride all those bikes to find out which actually fits you best & feels the best to ride?

    have fun & good luck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by markaitch
    hey Jay5280, i got a great idea for you...

    why don't you test ride all those bikes to find out which actually fits you best & feels the best to ride?

    have fun & good luck...


    /\ This .... I cannot understand how someone (especially noobs) can make an expensive (relative, I know) purchase without throwing a leg over it first, test ride, then test ride some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    /\ This .... I cannot understand how someone (especially noobs) can make an expensive (relative, I know) purchase without throwing a leg over it first, test ride, then test ride some more.
    I wouldn't say that a $5-600 ride is an expensive investment in a bike honestly. Most of the bikes he is considering here are mail order only and so he can't actually test ride them anywhere and can only make his determination by what others experience is with having bought them. That is precisely why he is asking in this forum as many have bought at least a few of the models in which he listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katalinagirl
    I wouldn't say that a $5-600 ride is an expensive investment in a bike honestly. Most of the bikes he is considering here are mail order only and so he can't actually test ride them anywhere and can only make his determination by what others experience is with having bought them. That is precisely why he is asking in this forum as many have bought at least a few of the models in which he listed.

    It all depends on what they consider "expensive" and how much they can afford. I did not know about BD until I joined this forum. There bikes dont' seem that bad. I need to get a second bike for a loaner/errand runner and I am strongly considering them. The only thing holding me back is that I can't test ride it. However, considering it will not be my main ride I dont' mind guessimating what size I need.

    Seeing pics and reading some the reviews on this site has been very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katalinagirl
    I wouldn't say that a $5-600 ride is an expensive investment in a bike honestly. Most of the bikes he is considering here are mail order only and so he can't actually test ride them anywhere and can only make his determination by what others experience is with having bought them. That is precisely why he is asking in this forum as many have bought at least a few of the models in which he listed.





    You wouldn't say it expensive but many would. I agree, test rides are appropriate. Do you work for Mike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    /\ This .... I cannot understand how someone (especially noobs) can make an expensive (relative, I know) purchase without throwing a leg over it first, test ride, then test ride some more.
    I always find the lack of test ride issue funny. What does riding around the parking do for you? I think a bike fit calculator from one of the numerous free online sources gives much better info on what size bike to ride, than does dodging cars, jumping off of curbs and riding over speed bumps. Now if your LBS has a dirt loop close that they allow you to ride on that is a different story. How many people buy a bike from the LBS and still get sized wrong? Those people seem to post on MTBR quite a bit as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrapeNutsRobot
    I always find the lack of test ride issue funny. What does riding around the parking do for you? I think a bike fit calculator from one of the numerous free online sources gives much better info on what size bike to ride, than does dodging cars, jumping off of curbs and riding over speed bumps. Now if your LBS has a dirt loop close that they allow you to ride on that is a different story. How many people buy a bike from the LBS and still get sized wrong? Those people seem to post on MTBR quite a bit as well.


    You would think that with all the online calculator's they could get it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katalinagirl
    I wouldn't say that a $5-600 ride is an expensive investment in a bike honestly. Most of the bikes he is considering here are mail order only and so he can't actually test ride them anywhere and can only make his determination by what others experience is with having bought them. That is precisely why he is asking in this forum as many have bought at least a few of the models in which he listed.
    katalinagirl & GrapeNutsRobot...
    it's fanbois...or...fangurlz like you, who along with that king of self-promoters - bd guy himself, that encourage complete noobs looking to get into mtbing, who don't have the vaguest idea of the size they need & who can't safely put a bike together, to buy from bikedirect by using a spreadsheet to compare the value of components, to ignore quality of the frame, & to figure their size from an online calculator rather than encouraging them to test-ride bikes they can afford that are properly built for them & that they can have serviced, lubed, adjusted & warrantied by a shop in their vicinity.
    shame on you...

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    i've always found the bike "test ride" useless, except if i just want to see if the damn thing shifts right and there's nothing seriously wrong with the crank.

    a demo is the only way to go, and i think paying 50-100 bucks to trash a bike over a two day weekend and make all sorts of adjustments to it--then have the money apply to a purchase--would be the way to go.

    part of the reason i ride cheap bikes is that i really am afraid to spend over 2k and realize a bike sucks, having already endured one such mistake.
    how durable a bike or component is usually has a lot to do with how heavy and ugly it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markaitch
    katalinagirl & GrapeNutsRobot...
    it's fanbois...or...fangurlz like you, who along with that king of self-promoters - bd guy himself, that encourage complete noobs looking to get into mtbing, who don't have the vaguest idea of the size they need & who can't safely put a bike together, to buy from bikedirect by using a spreadsheet to compare the value of components, to ignore quality of the frame, & to figure their size from an online calculator rather than encouraging them to test-ride bikes they can afford that are properly built for them & that they can have serviced, lubed, adjusted & warrantied by a shop in their vicinity.
    shame on you...

    Let me ask you something? Is that okay or will I be a fan boy too... So what your saying is that all LBS are honest and will not sell you a bike that does not fit you? This may be shocking to you but LBS are out to make a buck as well Anyways, I don't see anything wrong with buying a bike online. I don't see you in the other forums trashing them when they buy a Giant, SC, or a Yeti online. I have never purchased a bike online but I would consider it.

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    Giant's online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    Giant's online?

    I was just naming the big brand names that would be acceptable for you. I will say this that maybe me mentioning Giant shows that I don't shop online for bikes. I go to my LBS for bike purchases. I am lucky enough to have a LBS that is honest and will tell you the truth.

    Anyways, that does take away from the fact you only pick on people that shop at BD. So I expect to see you in the other forums telling them about how they are fanboys, and/or that they need to test ride it. How dare they In fact, if I come across another thread regarding this topic (buying bikes online without test riding it) I will be sure to PM you the link. How does that sound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markaitch
    katalinagirl & GrapeNutsRobot...
    it's fanbois...or...fangurlz like you, who along with that king of self-promoters - bd guy himself, that encourage complete noobs looking to get into mtbing, who don't have the vaguest idea of the size they need & who can't safely put a bike together, to buy from bikedirect by using a spreadsheet to compare the value of components, to ignore quality of the frame, & to figure their size from an online calculator rather than encouraging them to test-ride bikes they can afford that are properly built for them & that they can have serviced, lubed, adjusted & warrantied by a shop in their vicinity.
    shame on you...
    Im not sure where i advocated buying a bike from BD?

    I wrenched and sold bikes for 5 years, fitting off the shelf bikes isn't rocket surgery.

    Mark, if you are not competent to work on your own bike without the help of a LBS I feel bad for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnaMTBtrailisME
    ...I don't see you in the other forums trashing them when they buy a Giant, SC, or a Yeti online. I have never purchased a bike online but I would consider it.
    please provide any link to any post by any authorized rep from giant or santa cruz or yeti who has ever posted anywhere in mtbr suggesting that a completely new mountain biker should purchase any of their products sight-unseen online

    then...how 'bout you run a search for & post the links to all the posts by the bd guy pushing his bikes in the beginner forum & to uneducated bicycle consumers elsewhere

    GrapeNutsRobot, fyi...i do not have the slightest problem building or working on my own bikes
    but the fact is that there are lotsa guys here including some posters in this very thread that cannot - you do them a disservice by encouraging them to buy from bikesdirect which offers them no help at all, besides selling them an out-of-date & virtually useless cd
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    Quote Originally Posted by markaitch
    please provide any link to any post by any authorized rep from giant or santa cruz or yeti who has ever posted anywhere in mtbr suggesting that a prospective new mountain biker should purchase their products sight-unseen online

    then...how 'bout you run a search for & post the links to all the posts by the bd guy pushing his stuff in the beginner forum & to uneducated consumers elsewhere
    bd isn't just all over THESE forums.

    they like to exploit the internet sales angle to make it seem like you're overpaying for bikes at your LBS, when you can get them for "hundreds off" at BD.com.

    i bought a surly online from jensonusa. i saved 200 bucks off of the LBS for a bike that cost 1200. that's a typical internet "deal."

    what BD do is artificially inflate their prices and swindle people who have no idea what a certain component group should cost. 750 for a 29er with a low to midrange parts group is a good deal, just don't tell me it's "worth" 1500. that's what really gets under my skin. their bikes are in no way bad, even i have considered buying one albeit i'm not thrilled with their frames, but they should really stop with that "40-60% off list" thing and pimping MTB message boards.
    how durable a bike or component is usually has a lot to do with how heavy and ugly it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnaMTBtrailisME
    I was just naming the big brand names that would be acceptable for you. I will say this that maybe me mentioning Giant shows that I don't shop online for bikes. I go to my LBS for bike purchases. I am lucky enough to have a LBS that is honest and will tell you the truth.

    Anyways, that does take away from the fact you only pick on people that shop at BD. So I expect to see you in the other forums telling them about how they are fanboys, and/or that they need to test ride it. How dare they In fact, if I come across another thread regarding this topic (buying bikes online without test riding it) I will be sure to PM you the link. How does that sound?

    I am a advocate of test rides no matter the point of purchase, if you call someone out you better have right. As far as picking only on people that buy from BD, you could not be more mistaken, I pick on everyone with equality, there just happens to be a preponderance of uninformed contemplating purchases from your favorite etailer. Do you work for Mike? How many people in this thread work for BD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eat_dirt
    bd isn't just all over THESE forums.

    they like to exploit the internet sales angle to make it seem like you're overpaying for bikes at your LBS, when you can get them for "hundreds off" at BD.com.

    i bought a surly online from jensonusa. i saved 200 bucks off of the LBS for a bike that cost 1200. that's a typical internet "deal."

    what BD do is artificially inflate their prices and swindle people who have no idea what a certain component group should cost. 750 for a 29er with a low to midrange parts group is a good deal, just don't tell me it's "worth" 1500. that's what really gets under my skin. their bikes are in no way bad, even i have considered buying one albeit i'm not thrilled with their frames, but they should really stop with that "40-60% off list" thing and pimping MTB message boards.


    Their "groups" are not , throwing an XTR derailluer on a bike does not make it XTR level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    I am a advocate of test rides no matter the point of purchase, if you call someone out you better have right. As far as picking only on people that buy from BD, you could not be more mistaken, I pick on everyone with equality, there just happens to be a preponderance of uninformed contemplating purchases from your favorite etailer. Do you work for Mike? How many people in this thread work for BD?

    Unless Mike is the Coast Guard I do not work for him. Actually, I have bought ALL my bikes from LBS. In fact, I just purchased my first FS from them and considering what I paid for it you better believe I tested it out first.

    I apologize if "I called you out" and I not trying to cause any hate or discontent. But the short time I have been on these forums if anybody mentions BD they jump all over them. Maybe I am just naive to this whole buying a bike online thing, but I just see BD as another source of procuring a bicycle.

    I think forums like are great for "noobs" to come to and see what all the fuss is about.

    Finally, in case you care, I prefer JensonUSA if I need to buy anything online in regards to bicycling stuff.

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    LOOK!!!! BD has their very own forum:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/forumdisplay.php?f=133

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    Quote Originally Posted by eat_dirt
    what BD do is artificially inflate their prices and swindle people who have no idea what a certain component group should cost. 750 for a 29er with a low to midrange parts group is a good deal, just don't tell me it's "worth" 1500. that's what really gets under my skin. their bikes are in no way bad, even i have considered buying one albeit i'm not thrilled with their frames, but they should really stop with that "40-60% off list" thing and pimping MTB message boards.
    if you live in the northern viginia area I want to buy you a beer. Glad to see someone lee seems what's going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadie scum
    LOOK!!!! BD has their very own forum:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/forumdisplay.php?f=133
    But it's so much easier and more effective to post everything i the 29er forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vecsus
    if you live in the northern viginia area I want to buy you a beer. Glad to see someone lee seems what's going on.

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    All of my suits come from Brooks Brothers but I like the Joseph A Banks reference. Although if Bikes Direct truly took its marketing from JAB, you would buy one bike and receive another free as well as get free pair of shoes, shorts and a helmet.

    I live in Nova and enjoy drinking, if you ever want to get together and discuss the existential nature of BD, their somewhat deceptive marketing and/or the buying of online bikes.
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    I will have to look at the bikes side by side to see what components are best for the price or maybe wait for REI's anniversary sale
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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    /\ This .... I cannot understand how someone (especially noobs) can make an expensive (relative, I know) purchase without throwing a leg over it first, test ride, then test ride some more.
    If I could test ride them I would but I have no idea where to test ride the BD bikes thus I ask you guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    I am a advocate of test rides no matter the point of purchase, if you call someone out you better have right. As far as picking only on people that buy from BD, you could not be more mistaken, I pick on everyone with equality, there just happens to be a preponderance of uninformed contemplating purchases from your favorite etailer. Do you work for Mike? How many people in this thread work for BD?
    Ok so is there on here who like my self is 6'1 and 280? and who rides a 29er since that's what I want to buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markaitch
    katalinagirl & GrapeNutsRobot...
    it's fanbois...or...fangurlz like you, who along with that king of self-promoters - bd guy himself, that encourage complete noobs looking to get into mtbing, who don't have the vaguest idea of the size they need & who can't safely put a bike together, to buy from bikedirect by using a spreadsheet to compare the value of components, to ignore quality of the frame, & to figure their size from an online calculator rather than encouraging them to test-ride bikes they can afford that are properly built for them & that they can have serviced, lubed, adjusted & warrantied by a shop in their vicinity.
    shame on you...
    @markaitch

    It's to bad that you seem to be the one that is somewhat bias towards those that are wanting to broaden their own options and possibly save a few $$ by asking for advice here and even if they are a newby to mtb riding. There is nothing at all wrong with someone buying their 1st 29er mtb online if they so choose to do so. I never told anyone to ignore the quality of the frame. Sounds like you are implying that the frames that BD offer are of poor quality and if so please supply us with some facts here? They do offer a few brands that are sold in retailers as well. They are manufactured in the same factory's that most all of the other top name brands are, this is fact.

    I may have some bike knowledge myself but I don't ever make it a habit to tell anyone what they should or should not buy or where they should shop whether it be online or not. I personally do both and only because I can. Most people can get a general idea of what size bike they would ride just by doing research and some of that best research would be here in forums where multiple riders actually ride a specific model of bike and have input to provide for that person. Outside of this most bike makers will have readily available online a bike sizing chart that helps.

    On another note I do support a few of my lbs in my town as well as some that are both online and lbs, not all of them offer a great experience and I'm only speaking from my own personal experience. Bike shops can be a lot like auto shops and dealers and as well have some pretty bad mechanics that are not properly trained. I learned years back how to maintain my own bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay5280
    If I could test ride them I would but I have no idea where to test ride the BD bikes thus I ask you guy
    I rented a FS 26 inch and a 29er HT from LBS before making my purchase on BD. The GF 29er HT frames have the same geometry as the gravity bikes, that might make the decision a little easier, it did for me. I'm 6'4" 210 and the 21" frame works for me. You might need to change spring in front fork though.

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    [QUOTE=floydlippencott]I am a advocate of test rides no matter the point of purchase, if you call someone out you better have right. As far as picking only on people that buy from BD, you could not be more mistaken, I pick on everyone with equality, there just happens to be a preponderance of uninformed contemplating purchases from your favorite etailer. Do you work for Mike? How many people in this thread work for BD?[/QUOTE]

    I can answer this question

    EXACTLY 1
    I work for BD; anyone else posting here does; period

    my employees know better than to post on forums that are about bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadie scum
    LOOK!!!! BD has their very own forum:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/forumdisplay.php?f=133

    This is NOT the BD Forum
    it is the Motobecane forum

    BD also sells Kestrel, Gravity, Windsor, Mercier, Mango, Dawes, Schwinn, and GT
    plus you can expect to see other brands on BD in the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by schob
    I rented a FS 26 inch and a 29er HT from LBS before making my purchase on BD. The GF 29er HT frames have the same geometry as the gravity bikes, that might make the decision a little easier, it did for me. I'm 6'4" 210 and the 21" frame works for me. You might need to change spring in front fork though.



    They do not have the same geo, the frame angles may be similar but the geo is not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    They do not have the same geo, the frame angles may be similar but the geo is not the same.

    Please explain... My Gravity feels exactly like the Fisher's i tested

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDTigger
    Please explain... My Gravity feels exactly like the Fisher's i tested



    Exactly why noobs should not buy bikes off of the intardweb. This is just freakin hilarious, "my BD bike is just like a Fisher, it has the same geo." BWAAAHAAAAHAAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    Exactly why noobs should not buy bikes off of the intardweb. This is just freakin hilarious, "my BD bike is just like a Fisher, it has the same geo." BWAAAHAAAAHAAA.

    Please explain....? You didn't answer my question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDTigger
    Please explain....? You didn't answer my question.

    Don't worry about his answer. He is just being a troll at this point until he comes up with a mature and educated reply. Enjoy your bike! If he wants to continue to trash people about buying from BD let him do that. Or if he wants to accuse people that they of work for Dave, let him.

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    I don't understand why people must bash more options. Sure, BD has the disadvantage of not test riding their bikes (Test rides are something I have found to be worthless... especially because every bike I have ever test ridden at an lbs was poorly set up T_T, and of course it's not appropriate for me to wrench it myself before test riding) But the bottom line is, BD is getting people on bikes for a lower price, and the last time I checked, most people who buy from BD (myself included, and no, I don't work for Mike, I am a pizza chef) are generally satisfied. So what is wrong with it? so what if they have to learn a few wrenching tricks or have to take it to an LBS to set up for a few extra $. (which they rarely set it up as precise as you can if you take some time to learn how to do it yourself.) But what it comes down to is, BD is not for everyone. If you're lazy, then they are not for you, if you're a snob, then they are not for you, If you feel that less than honest business practices (yeah I do agree that the false MSRP's are underhanded) means that a product somehow doesn't function properly, then they are not for you. But if you have the competence to figure out what size bike you need and you don't want to drop an extra 400$ on a sticker for your downtube, then they will do the job just fine.

    Why bash if customers are satisfied? If customer's are satisfied, then they are doing a fine job.

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    BD is putting people on safe affordable decent bikes. Too much snobbery out there. Who the hell cares what MSRPs are posted. Downers will always find something to fuel their dislike towards the company.

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    Almost bought my 29er from BD last year. If I was buying today BD would be my choice. Unbeatable value for the money. Mike has a winning business model. I just hope he can manage his growth effectively.

    Agree about the snobbery. Its getting as bad as fly fishing snobs. Roadies are the worst though.

    Shut up and ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnaMTBtrailisME
    Don't worry about his answer. He is just being a troll at this point until he comes up with a mature and educated reply. Enjoy your bike! If he wants to continue to trash people about buying from BD let him do that. Or if he wants to accuse people that they of work for Dave, let him.



    Really? He is absolutely correct, it is not the same geo.

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    Well guys -

    Instead of reviewing the bike on thursday Like i said i was going to... I will instead review their return policy.

    I have a Gravity1 being delivered to my door on thursday --- but I need to either sell it locally or return it by the weekend.

    I ended up winning a poker tournament on saturday for a couple grand, and figured i would upgrade my bike purchase - I bought a santa cruz superlight from a LBS today. lol.


    hopefully the return goes smoothly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace244
    Well guys -

    Instead of reviewing the bike on thursday Like i said i was going to... I will instead review their return policy.

    I have a Gravity1 being delivered to my door on thursday --- but I need to either sell it locally or return it by the weekend.

    I ended up winning a poker tournament on saturday for a couple grand, and figured i would upgrade my bike purchase - I bought a santa cruz superlight from a LBS today. lol.


    hopefully the return goes smoothly!
    Congradulations!
    I bet a poker tourament is exciting; I would like to enter on [maybe when the kids go to college I will]

    Anyway, returns are easy
    just ship back to us
    and once we get it in new condition [which yours will be of course]; we issue refund

    Enjoy the santa cruz, that is a super nice bike

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    hey, thanks mike --- I emailed you guys earlier to see what the best way to return it was...

    accept it, and drive to UPS and ship it back?

    or just refuse shipment from UPS when they come?


    is one cheaper for me than the other?

    yea... i had a good experience so far with you guys - helpful in choosing a bike --

    and I am sure i would of been happy with the gravity ---- but once i had the extra loot the temptation of the santa cruz was too much. lol.


    thanks for the response - wouldnt hesitate to buy from you again (even though i didnt take the bike) lol.

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    oh mike - i put it for sale on the local craigslist also - so if someone wants a good deal locally - might have yourself another new customer. haha.

    figured I would sell it $40 under what your asking (if i have to pay for shipping anyways) -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace244
    Well guys -

    Instead of reviewing the bike on thursday Like i said i was going to... I will instead review their return policy.

    I have a Gravity1 being delivered to my door on thursday --- but I need to either sell it locally or return it by the weekend.

    I ended up winning a poker tournament on saturday for a couple grand, and figured i would upgrade my bike purchase - I bought a santa cruz superlight from a LBS today. lol.


    hopefully the return goes smoothly!
    That is outstanding. I hope you enjoy the SC! You got pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmtx77
    Almost bought my 29er from BD last year. If I was buying today BD would be my choice. Unbeatable value for the money. Mike has a winning business model. I just hope he can manage his growth effectively.

    Agree about the snobbery. Its getting as bad as fly fishing snobs. Roadies are the worst though.

    Shut up and ride.
    my bikes are a steelie hardtail that i built from used e-bay parts and a specialized commuter i also built from used e-bay parts. so snobbery is really not in it for me. i'm a cheap bastard and my gear is cheap, but durable.

    my beef is a simple one. BD comes on here and says "buy from us, our bikes are just as good as bikes that cost 2-3x more." to someone who doesn't understand component groups, frame materials, geometry, etc, it seems like a realy good internet deal and that the LBS is trying to rip them off.

    jenson, CBO, pricepoint, just to name a few, also sell bikes on the interwebs (and better bikes at that) without the pretense of 60% off an imaginary MSRP. and if you go to your local LBS on a budget, they may give you a deal on an older model year bike that's collecting dust.

    in defense of BD, their bikes are worth exactly what they sell them for, and are cheaper than the competition. but why do they have to get on message boards with sock puppet posters and try to post testimonials of how BD.com is a secret no LBS wants you to know about or why can't they just be more up-front with their prices.

    i sold an old DSLR on e-bay a week ago for 500 bucks. nowhere in my description i said that once it was worth 1800 dollars.
    how durable a bike or component is usually has a lot to do with how heavy and ugly it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnaMTBtrailisME
    That is outstanding. I hope you enjoy the SC! You got pics?

    no pics yet - but hopefully soon - wouldnt want to jack this thread anyways it is a great thread. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schob
    I rented a FS 26 inch and a 29er HT from LBS before making my purchase on BD. The GF 29er HT frames have the same geometry as the gravity bikes, that might make the decision a little easier, it did for me. I'm 6'4" 210 and the 21" frame works for me. You might need to change spring in front fork though.
    Thanks, I was thinking about going with a solid fork like on the GT Peace 9r
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    Quote Originally Posted by eat_dirt
    jenson, CBO, pricepoint, just to name a few, also sell bikes on the interwebs (and better bikes at that) without the pretense of 60% off an imaginary MSRP. .
    hmm
    this pricepoint Sette is only 57% off their 'imaginary MSRP'
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/187...onarch-3.1.htm
    so I guess I get your point

    but seriously; there are risks and rewards for buying bikes in bike shops, online, or used.

    I find it odd that any cyclists are against any source option of quality safe bikes
    not saying you are, of course, but that some posters seem to only like one option and do not recognize the risks of others

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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by eat_dirt
    my bikes are a steelie hardtail that i built from used e-bay parts and a specialized commuter i also built from used e-bay parts. so snobbery is really not in it for me. i'm a cheap bastard and my gear is cheap, but durable.

    my beef is a simple one. BD comes on here and says "buy from us, our bikes are just as good as bikes that cost 2-3x more." to someone who doesn't understand component groups, frame materials, geometry, etc, it seems like a realy good internet deal and that the LBS is trying to rip them off.

    jenson, CBO, pricepoint, just to name a few, also sell bikes on the interwebs (and better bikes at that) without the pretense of 60% off an imaginary MSRP. and if you go to your local LBS on a budget, they may give you a deal on an older model year bike that's collecting dust.

    in defense of BD, their bikes are worth exactly what they sell them for, and are cheaper than the competition. but why do they have to get on message boards with sock puppet posters and try to post testimonials of how BD.com is a secret no LBS wants you to know about or why can't they just be more up-front with their prices.

    i sold an old DSLR on e-bay a week ago for 500 bucks. nowhere in my description i said that once it was worth 1800 dollars.
    I was looking at bikes on Ebay at it seems that 29er are crazy on there or maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places?
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    I am new here, my Gravity 29point1 will be here Wednesday. I will post pics as soon as I get it together. Again, I am just excited to get back in a saddle again.

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    Motobecane Fantom 29PRO SL

    Just received my 13" Motobecane Fantom 29PRO SL and much to my surprise it arrived as the high end upgraded version from the original specs and so I even got more of a value here...I actually ordered the $995 one and ended up with the $1495 one?? It came with the FSA afterburner crank and is a 2x10 setup...all xtr dyna sys componanents including the shifters, and both deraillers, the Elixer CR's...came with the RL Reba and not the SL version; however I could not find any difference when researching that fork anyway unless it was the RLT in which is different. I can't be happier and will not be switching much out now other than the seat post, bar,stem and headset and seat..

    There is much to setup and I can't get to it until later this week or weekend and so I'll post pics after she is built up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katalinagirl
    Just received my 13" Motobecane Fantom 29PRO SL and much to my surprise it arrived as the high end upgraded version from the original specs and so I even got more of a value here...I actually ordered the $995 one and ended up with the $1495 one?? It came with the FSA afterburner crank and is a 2x10 setup...all xtr dyna sys componanents including the shifters, and both deraillers, the Elixer CR's...came with the RL Reba and not the SL version; however I could not find any difference when researching that fork anyway unless it was the RLT in which is different. I can't be happier and will not be switching much out now other than the seat post, bar,stem and headset and seat..

    There is much to setup and I can't get to it until later this week or weekend and so I'll post pics after she is built up.
    Congrats on the bonus on the new bike!
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    I just went to REI to see what they got going and found this, Marin Alpine Trail 29er Bike - 2010 Reduced to: $599.99 and was just wondering is this the bike with best components for the price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay5280
    I just went to REI to see what they got going and found this, Marin Alpine Trail 29er Bike - 2010 Reduced to: $599.99 and was just wondering is this the bike with best components for the price?
    Never mind REI's web site is screwed up and when you click on the 2010 model it takes you to the 2011
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay5280
    Never mind REI's web site is screwed up and when you click on the 2010 model it takes you to the 2011
    I just talked to REI and they said the 2010 model was sold out and that's why there silly web site was redirecting me to the full price 2011 model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trawets
    I am new here, my Gravity 29point1 will be here Wednesday. I will post pics as soon as I get it together. Again, I am just excited to get back in a saddle again.

    Congrats on your purchase.

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    I've got a gravity 29 point 3 arriving in 2 days. should be able to get it set up this weekend. I'll post pics and thoughts this weekend and throughout the summer for those interested in the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schob
    I've got a gravity 29 point 3 arriving in 2 days. should be able to get it set up this weekend. I'll post pics and thoughts this weekend and throughout the summer for those interested in the bike.
    cool post some pics
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    Interested in the Gravity3.

    Selling my steel, rigid, single speed KHS Solo One for one with gears and front squish.

    Probably going to buy one this week. Any idea what the 21" weighs?
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    I ordered a 21", I'll let you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anno
    Interested in the Gravity3.

    Selling my steel, rigid, single speed KHS Solo One for one with gears and front squish.

    Probably going to buy one this week. Any idea what the 21" weighs?
    Point 5, 19" frame was 29lbs 11oz according to BD

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    Quote Originally Posted by GEARHEAD_ENG
    Point 5, 19" frame was 29lbs 11oz according to BD

    pretty close, the 21" 5 they sent is about that weight

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    gravity 3 arrived today. 21" weighs about 33 pounds, if you believe my bathroom scale. website says it comes with avid elixir 3 but I got juicy 3 instead. there was also a small leprechaun in the box but he was dead.

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    do you have to upload pictures to the web before you can post them here? is there no direct, simple way to do it from your comp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnaMTBtrailisME
    Congrats on your purchase.

    Thanks, today is delivery day. I have the day off and I am ready to put the bike together...the problem is that its 2pm and still no ups delivery! This is driving me crazy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by katalinagirl
    Just received my 13" Motobecane Fantom 29PRO SL and much to my surprise it arrived as the high end upgraded version from the original specs and so I even got more of a value here...I actually ordered the $995 one and ended up with the $1495 one?? It came with the FSA afterburner crank and is a 2x10 setup...all xtr dyna sys componanents including the shifters, and both deraillers, the Elixer CR's...came with the RL Reba and not the SL version; however I could not find any difference when researching that fork anyway unless it was the RLT in which is different. I can't be happier and will not be switching much out now other than the seat post, bar,stem and headset and seat..

    There is much to setup and I can't get to it until later this week or weekend and so I'll post pics after she is built up.
    I have now completely disassembled down to the frame only..Taking it in to have it powder coated in a white finish...The frame is very light and I will weigh it prior to having it painted. Turnaround is about 4 days then I will build it and then follow up with some pics when all completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schob
    do you have to upload pictures to the web before you can post them here? is there no direct, simple way to do it from your comp?
    you can add them directly from the post as long as you go to the advanced posting option. It is at the bottom below the text entry window. There is a size limit, 1024x768 I think so they may need to be resized.

    Alternately you can upload them to a photo hosting service, like picasa, flickr or the like them just use the link.
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    Woohoo, UPS just dropped off my bike. Will post pics when its together.

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    Thanks for the weights!
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    My bike just out of the box and on a first short ride this morning. It rode great with only a few minor tweaks, I am very happy with my purchase. Cant wait to get back out, if only work wouldnt get in the way.

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    Ok, guess I need to learn to post photos.

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    Here are the picts.

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    Here are the picts.
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    I'm a triathlete thats coming up on the offseason, and would love to hit the single tracks around my area (upstate SC) for some cross-training/exploring. Would this bike fit the bill? Does it have anything I need, or do you expect it to fail me in some way? I'm probably not going to do anything hardcore or crazy because I can't risk injury. I just want a way to put in some miles and get off the roads during the summer heat. The most I would ask for is probably an offroad triathlon on some fast, easy single tracks (thats why I'm looking 29er). I was thinking I'll probably want to go for clipless pedal too.

    Oh yeah and what size for a 5'10" guy with that wears 31" 30"'s?

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    Which Gravity level you are looking for (point 1 to point 5)? I would suggest the point 3 (or higher) since it has the Tora fork and X7 component set.

    You need to check your cycling inseam... you might be comfortable on a 17.5" frame with a 30.5" stand over. The 15.5" frame has a 29.7" stand over which could also work too depending on if the top to length is long enough for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs
    I'm a triathlete thats coming up on the offseason, and would love to hit the single tracks around my area (upstate SC) for some cross-training/exploring. Would this bike fit the bill? Does it have anything I need, or do you expect it to fail me in some way? I'm probably not going to do anything hardcore or crazy because I can't risk injury. I just want a way to put in some miles and get off the roads during the summer heat. The most I would ask for is probably an offroad triathlon on some fast, easy single tracks (thats why I'm looking 29er). I was thinking I'll probably want to go for clipless pedal too.

    Oh yeah and what size for a 5'10" guy with that wears 31" 30"'s?
    I would highly recommend the fantom pro 29er SL line for you with your interest in possibly some single track racing. You will find that the frame itself is a bit lighter as well as the components are at the top of the line. I just bought the 13" Fantom Pro 29er SL (frame is 4lbs) myself and it is equipped with a 10x2 drivetrain with the FSA afterburner crankset and all dyna sys xtr components to include the shifters. Brakes are the Elixer CR...and of course the Rock Shox Reba RL fork...for what I paid you couldn't find a similar deal anywhere and to try and build a 29er with this setup of components would be in excess of $2k+. Service from Motobecane from before purchase email communications to the delivery of the bike and condition upon arrival was outstanding

    I had just received my fantom pro 29er SL last Thursday and dropped off the frame yesterday to have it powder coated in a white matte finish. It will be ready next Monday for me to build her up. The only immediate switch outs I am making from the original components that came with it are the headset to a raceface, stem to a raceface deus ,bar to a raceface Atlas, seatpost & clamp (still deciding) and saddle to a Ragley Cheeky. Later will be the wheelset to a tubeless setup and lighter in weight all together. I resale all of my components and so it offsets my upgrades.

    Sizing: At 5'10 if I were you I would probably shoot for the 17". I am 5'6 with a 30" inseam and both the 13" or 15" would work for me just fine..Just so happen they were out of the 15" when I ordered..frame geometry is very minimal in size difference with these two sizes. Prior to ordering I did compare top tube length to my previous Santa Cruz Blur XC just to be sure of where my comfort zone was for reach distance w/o much modification in stem length or seatub setup...stand over is a no brainer as the top tube is at an angle where it counts.

    I will add though that I have YET to build and actually ride my 13" to know the true feel, expected next Tuesday.

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    Sorry I guess I was a little vague... I'm looking at the 29point1. Main reason is cost... I'm looking for the cheapest bike I can get that is reliable. I don't have the money right now to drop more than $500. Again, I just need something that will allow me to experience trail riding at the lowest cost. I don't know much about any of the components, but just want something to get by that isn't a POS wally world type bike.

    Is the 29point1 worth it for entry into xc/trail riding or is it garbage as some would have you think?

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    for a reliable bike at the $500 range I would look for used. Look at ebay, craigslist, or your LBS. Odds are high that you will get better components than the stuff that is on the 29point1.
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    gravity 3

    the specs on the website said deore FD, but it came with SRAM x7 instead. I swapped out the handlebar, 610mm was to narrow for me. it's all tuned in and ready to go, so naturally it had to rain today. everything looks to have survived shipping just fine, but i have noticed the paint job isn't the best, no big deal i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vecsus
    for a reliable bike at the $500 range I would look for used. Look at ebay, craigslist, or your LBS. Odds are high that you will get better components than the stuff that is on the 29point1.
    Thanks. I would like to do that if I could. I'm just not so good at appraising or knowing what I need (I'm a newbie that just wants to ride) which is why I asked if the 29point1 would cut it. I'm knee deep in research and tri training, so I just need some help picking up something cheap that will work in a pinch and let me get out on the trails. I don't want a complete piece of crap that is going to take a lot of time and money to get trail worthy.

    Can you tell me if the 29point1 is or isn't going to be decent for trail riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs
    Thanks. I would like to do that if I could. I'm just not so good at appraising or knowing what I need (I'm a newbie that just wants to ride) which is why I asked if the 29point1 would cut it. I'm knee deep in research and tri training, so I just need some help picking up something cheap that will work in a pinch and let me get out on the trails. I don't want a complete piece of crap that is going to take a lot of time and money to get trail worthy.

    Can you tell me if the 29point1 is or isn't going to be decent for trail riding?



    You will probably find the fork lacking in stiffness and overall performance. Upgradining to whatever level nets you a Tora would probably be money well spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs
    Thanks. I would like to do that if I could. I'm just not so good at appraising or knowing what I need (I'm a newbie that just wants to ride) which is why I asked if the 29point1 would cut it. I'm knee deep in research and tri training, so I just need some help picking up something cheap that will work in a pinch and let me get out on the trails. I don't want a complete piece of crap that is going to take a lot of time and money to get trail worthy.

    Can you tell me if the 29point1 is or isn't going to be decent for trail riding?

    Im not a skinny guy @ 240, I will update as I get more riding in on the 1. So far so good,
    only about 3 miles on it so far. More to come after work tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    You will probably find the fork lacking in stiffness and overall performance. Upgradining to whatever level nets you a Tora would probably be money well spent.
    This... The fork makes the ride, it determines how you feel the bumps and bounces. The 3 model/Tora or the 4/Recon. I am not 100% sure but i think the Recon is a solo air model.

    Wanted the 4 but they sold out so I went for the 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay5280
    Congrats on the bonus on the new bike!

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by katalinagirl
    Thanks

    I put in a request in an attempt to find out who the mfg is of the unknown Gravity Hubs that came on my wheelset. I can't seem to find any information on this brand anywhere in an attempt to get the technical specs on them...Would like to eventually over the next couple of months part with this WTB Laser Disc wheelset as they are heavy and pick up a pair of Stans ZTR Crest 29er's tubeless with the ztr hubs..this will knock off about 3+lbs off of the total weight of the bike setup.

    If anyone here may possibly know this answer that would be fantastic, otherwise hopefully BD will provide this information, as everything else that came equipped on the bike, both the specs and technical documentation are readily available online at all of the mfg sites and then some
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    Quote Originally Posted by katalinagirl
    I put in a request in an attempt to find out who the mfg is of the unknown Gravity Hubs that came on my wheelset. I can't seem to find any information on this brand anywhere in an attempt to get the technical specs on them...Would like to eventually over the next couple of months part with this WTB Laser Disc wheelset as they are heavy and pick up a pair of Stans ZTR Crest 29er's tubeless with the ztr hubs..this will knock off about 3+lbs off of the total weight of the bike setup.

    If anyone here may possibly know this answer that would be fantastic, otherwise hopefully BD will provide this information, as everything else that came equipped on the bike, both the specs and technical documentation are readily available online at all of the mfg sites and then some
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    Funny you mention the wheels and their weight. I put a wheel on the scale and it hit a whopping 5 pounds! My jaw hit the floor... The WTB Laser Discs are on the heavy side.

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    Funny you mention the wheels and their weight. I put a wheel on the scale and it hit a whopping 5 pounds! My jaw hit the floor... The WTB Laser Discs are on the heavy side.
    First I would take the wheel and tire apart and weigh the wheel and tire. I would bet the tire itself is trending towards 1000grs. You could knock a lot of weight off the wheels alone with just a tire upgrade, probably get a noticeable increase in performance as well.

    Check your local riding forum to see what tires are a good fit but a nice all arounder tire is the Geax Saguaro for a racier tire with good volume and the Panaracer Rampage for a more all mountain tire with high volume and good grip.

    Secondly the wheel itself might be heavier at the hub, which are probably Chinese or Taiwanese made and branded Gravity Hubs, the spokes are probably straight gauge and the rims are probably ok as far as weight goes. You could gain another noticeable increase in the performance by going tubeless conversion up front, although if they are anything like the Laserdisc 29er rims I had it isn't the easiest conversion.

    You might not get to a 1800gr wheelset like a stans set but for about $150.00 you could gain a most noticeable improvement in both performance and flat protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher
    First I would take the wheel and tire apart and weigh the wheel and tire. I would bet the tire itself is trending towards 1000grs. You could knock a lot of weight off the wheels alone with just a tire upgrade, probably get a noticeable increase in performance as well.

    Check your local riding forum to see what tires are a good fit but a nice all arounder tire is the Geax Saguaro for a racier tire with good volume and the Panaracer Rampage for a more all mountain tire with high volume and good grip.

    Secondly the wheel itself might be heavier at the hub, which are probably Chinese or Taiwanese made and branded Gravity Hubs, the spokes are probably straight gauge and the rims are probably ok as far as weight goes. You could gain another noticeable increase in the performance by going tubeless conversion up front, although if they are anything like the Laserdisc 29er rims I had it isn't the easiest conversion.

    You might not get to a 1800gr wheelset like a stans set but for about $150.00 you could gain a most noticeable improvement in both performance and flat protection.
    Great information ...In my research of this actual bare rim alone it is significantly higher in g's than others but it is a very durable rim to say the least. update: The hubs are in fact made by Formula ....

    I've pondered picking up a different set of hubs, even used, and replacing with new spokes and nipples to lighten them up some but this alone would more than likely cost that extra $150 to do and when all said and done they would never come close to the weight of the Stans Crest set or some others that are alike and so I'd rather invest my extra $$ in a set of the Crests already laced to the ztr hubs for about $460 + the tires of course..another $100..So if I can sell my complete set including the kenda small block 8's that go for about $50/tire for about $300 it's be worth the extra $$ spent..this is just me though..
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    She's just about done

    All that is left is my seat post clamp, in which I had to reorder the right size as well as some custom artwork for the frame (have to get my creative juices flowing) then send off whatever design I come up with for custom permanent vinyl decals to be created ...She goes out for her 1st test ride tomorrow to finish dialing her in.
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    Can I get a 23" frame... please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneBadWagon
    Can I get a 23" frame... please?

    Gravity 29ers have been a bigger hit than I even thought they could be; so there is plenty of volume to add 23" frame

    I will start on that now; but it may take a while

    Plus boxes are an issue; packing and shipping 29ers is tricky in itself
    but adding 23" size will be a challedge as we have to be able to ship UPS
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    Truthfully, I'm not even opposed to a longer 21", but I'm looking for something with a longer TT than my Rockhopper 21" and I've got plenty of room to move up to a larger frame.


    Any chance of a FS 29er in a gigantisize?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katalinagirl
    All that is left is my seat post clamp, in which I had to reorder the right size as well as some custom artwork for the frame (have to get my creative juices flowing) then send off whatever design I come up with for custom permanent vinyl decals to be created ...She goes out for her 1st test ride tomorrow to finish dialing her in.

    Watch out for chainsuck with those cranks. They have been giving people hell. Some of them have been fine but overall the rings like to hold onto the chain. I just had cannondale replace my crank after tons of issues. Hopefully they dont give you any problems. Just wanted to give you a heads up.

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    Well crap, now that the other frame I wanted to get is out of stock again at Performance, I was looking on ebay and saw the unbranded Gravity 29er with Reba for a good price. Might end up with that. Been without my D440 since 4/12 after I took it to the shop and been wanting to ride.

    But who knows.. It's either that or a Origin-8 Scout 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocturnus
    Well crap, now that the other frame I wanted to get is out of stock again at Performance, I was looking on ebay and saw the unbranded Gravity 29er with Reba for a good price. Might end up with that. Been without my D440 since 4/12 after I took it to the shop and been wanting to ride.

    But who knows.. It's either that or a Origin-8 Scout 29er.
    What is the unbranded gravity 29er? Could you post a link if that is allowed or pm? Is it bd? I'm still looking at the gravity 29.1 due to budget, but think if I do go that road, a new fork is in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs
    What is the unbranded gravity 29er? Could you post a link if that is allowed or pm? Is it bd? I'm still looking at the gravity 29.1 due to budget, but think if I do go that road, a new fork is in the future.

    I have about 60 miles on my 29.1 so far. I do find the fork lacking on rough terrain with my fat butt in the saddle. Other than the fork I am very happy with the bike and I have already referred a few people to BD. So for now I am checking ebay and cl for a killer deal on a replacement fork, until then I will deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs
    What is the unbranded gravity 29er? Could you post a link if that is allowed or pm? Is it bd? I'm still looking at the gravity 29.1 due to budget, but think if I do go that road, a new fork is in the future.
    Its on Bikeisland.com, which is the mail order cousin of BD and cousin to Cycle Spectrum. Its all family owned or something. Anyway, they only have them available with forks.

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    Ok, I bit the bullet and ordered a 29point2. I figured the component upgrades are worth the $100 over the 29point1, but don't see any reason to go for the 29point3. I'm hoping the dart3 will be good enough that I don't want to upgrade. I can't wait to hit the trails. This is going to be my first "real" mountain bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katalinagirl
    All that is left is my seat post clamp, in which I had to reorder the right size as well as some custom artwork for the frame (have to get my creative juices flowing) then send off whatever design I come up with for custom permanent vinyl decals to be created ...She goes out for her 1st test ride tomorrow to finish dialing her in.
    So that is a Fantom 29er you had painted?

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    Enjoy your bike. I think you will find it to be a great place to start. Good components for the price for sure.

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    Thank you for this thread I learned a lot, I was close to purchasing the Gravity 3. Looks like a great bike, in the end I deceided to support a local bike shop and purchased a Trek Cobia. I'm just getting back into biking for the first time in 5 years. Took it out for a spin tonight and really enjoyed it.

    Cheers!

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    Let me preface everything with the statement that I'm a very new rider so I have limited context for my observations!

    I have the Gravity 29.1. I am 285lbs. I've taken it on the Rock trail twice so far, in the Gainesville Fla, area. I'll say that the front fork while a little soft seems to be performing well given my weight so far. Overall I'm pleased with the bike. The item I'm least please with is the gearing. The shifting is rough and slow. That may be fixed by some tuning.

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    I have now had my 29.2 for less than 48 hours and have already put over 30 miles on it. I am new to mountain biking, but the bike has carried me down some pretty steep descents and through some narrow, root covered single-tracks. I also have done some steep, long climbs and have yet to break the rear tire loose. I have had to abandon it a few times but only in times where I've taken a bad line. I can't really comment too much on the fork since I'm still tweaking it, although it seems to be doing its job. The preload adjustment doesn't seem to make much of a difference in sag or response (I weigh 165lbs). The rebound adjustment is very sensitive, and I am still dialing it in (currently have it almost all the way towards the jack-a-lope or whatever that thing is). The lockout is great for climbing, although it doesn't completely lock out which works well I think. When I forgot to turn it off during a few descents after climbing, I could tell a difference in damping, but it wasn't enough to make me lose control or anything. The saddle is super comfortable coming from a road bike. The 29" wheels really plow through obstructions on the trail and hold a line well, although I see they flex under heavy braking (don't know if this is normal?). Both the wheels and rotors aren't completely true but not enough to notice while riding. I also noticed a good amount of noise and shuddering from the rear brake (maybe needs more adjusting or is contaminated). When I flip the bike and spin the rear wheel and let it coast, the cassette wobbles ever so slightly with each revolution (no idea what would cause this).

    Set-up:
    The UPS guy got here at around 6:15, and I was out on the trails by 7:00. Although, I must admit that I did not properly fine tune the brakes and derailleurs. The shifting out of the box was fine in terms of basic tracking, but I noticed that shifting was slow and I couldn't access the granny gear. It turns out that both cables needed to be tightened a fair amount (expected from shipping), and I had to adjust the range on both derailleurs. The brakes also took some fine tuning. I had to straighten the calipers and then slowly adjust both sides of each brake so they are super close but not touching. I also moved the shifters towards the center of the handle bars to give my hands more space.

    Final comments:
    I think this bike is doing everything that I have asked without any problems. I don't see any reason to upgrade any of the components right off the bat. I would recommend learning how to adjust brakes and derailleurs if you order. I must say it is very nice to get out on the trails for such a low price.

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    All the brake noises are now gone , but now I'm getting a creaking noise when climbing hard out of the saddle.

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    check all your bolts and QR's. Saddle screws and find the source.....Did you grease the seatpost, QR bolt?

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    I ended up getting some new bars, Easton Havoc 750mm. What a huge change it makes for me, put about 12 miles on them yesterday and had a great ride.

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    Might want to inspect the bottom bracket and crank assembly..not certain what crank you have but that certainly can explain creaking.

    Quote Originally Posted by beebs
    All the brake noises are now gone , but now I'm getting a creaking noise when climbing hard out of the saddle.

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    Hey guys, i need some opinions on the Motobecane fantom pro vs the Gravity 29point 3.

    The gravity is about $50 more and I was wondering which bike is going to be the best value. The only differences are sram x7 vs shimano xt and the different frames.
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowboarderdude
    Hey guys, i need some opinions on the Motobecane fantom pro vs the Gravity 29point 3.

    The gravity is about $50 more and I was wondering which bike is going to be the best value. The only differences are sram x7 vs shimano xt and the different frames.
    thanks
    pretty comparable really...the only xt component is the rear derailler on the Fantom and you don't have a choice on the brakes they may come with the Juicy's (i doubt it though) or the Elixer..The Elixer is the later of the two and will probably be what comes equipped on it. Fork is the same on both. If I only had that choice I would choose the gravity as I personally prefer the down tube style geometry better than the Fantom frame in which I currently have. As well color preference...the gravity 3 only comes in matte black and is soldout of the 19"&21" sizes and so hopefully you were getting a 15" or 17"....just my two cents

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    Personally I like the new hydroformed tubes on the Gravity line by my phantom has been absolutely bullit proof. And i could be wrong but my guess is the Moto is lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd
    Personally I like the new hydroformed tubes on the Gravity line by my phantom has been absolutely bullit proof. And i could be wrong but my guess is the Moto is lighter.
    I'm with you on that the moto is probably a tad lighter in weight then the gravity

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    Quote Originally Posted by katalinagirl
    I'm with you on that the moto is probably a tad lighter in weight then the gravity

    It's just preference... I have the Gravity.5 b/c he geo is identical to the G2 aerodynamics I wanted. It's a smooth ride anywhere.... Can't go wrong with either model as long as the frame is the right size. I preferred the Recon on the Gravity.4 but they were sold out at the time and went for the big daddy Reba RL. Not complaining one bit, been a great bike.

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    Thanks for the help! Im about 5'10" closer to 5'11" with shoes. I'm thinking either the 17.5" or 19" with a 32" inseam. The big question is what size. Guy at my lbs said 19"

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    I'm the same height and have a Moto 17.5" but it really is borderline. Some days I think this is perfect, when on tight/technical trails then at other times on the flowy/downhill stuff I think hmm maybe the 19" would be better. My problem is my legs are short 30" inseam but I have a long torso and arms. Right now I think the sweet spot is my 90mm stem flipped with 6deg down and a flat 680mm bar.

    If you are looking at the Gravity try out the Trek Cobia I think it is. They have almost the EXACT same geo and it will give you a clear picture of which is best for you.

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    Well, while I spent all of the research time on these gravity models, the Point 4 sold out in 19".

    grr. I was placing an order, and then it said sold out. Guess I need to wait for next shipment.

    I sure hope that the price point comes back after June 1... *wink*

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd
    I'm the same height and have a Moto 17.5" but it really is borderline. Some days I think this is perfect, when on tight/technical trails then at other times on the flowy/downhill stuff I think hmm maybe the 19" would be better. My problem is my legs are short 30" inseam but I have a long torso and arms. Right now I think the sweet spot is my 90mm stem flipped with 6deg down and a flat 680mm bar.

    If you are looking at the Gravity try out the Trek Cobia I think it is. They have almost the EXACT same geo and it will give you a clear picture of which is best for you.
    I went to my local trek dealer today and looked at the cobia but didnt get a chance to ride it. the guy in the shop said a 19" which i think will be right. But im going to ride it anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowboarderdude
    Thanks for the help! Im about 5'10" closer to 5'11" with shoes. I'm thinking either the 17.5" or 19" with a 32" inseam. The big question is what size. Guy at my lbs said 19"
    I got measured for a GF X-Cal at my LBS - I'm 6'2" 35" inseam, and they recommended a 19" frame for mountain, 21" if I mostly do commuting. I was -very- surprised, but the bike felt right. Feet flat on the floor, my pants inseam was touching the toptube, so it is pretty tight on a 29er. I'm glad I went to the bike shop, I was going to blindly order a 21" frame Gravity 29Point4.

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    19" sounds right to me for your size.

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    Well now they are out of stock in the 19" frame. Anyone know how long it takes for them to restock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katalinagirl View Post
    All that is left is my seat post clamp, in which I had to reorder the right size as well as some custom artwork for the frame (have to get my creative juices flowing) then send off whatever design I come up with for custom permanent vinyl decals to be created ...She goes out for her 1st test ride tomorrow to finish dialing her in.
    I'm about to order 2 bikes for me and my wife and thinking of 2010 Motobecane Fantom 29PRO SL (http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...om29pro_SL.htm) closeout for her (it's only available in 13").

    My wife is 5'5" and inseam is 30.7". So, similar to yours.

    We are still debating - 13" or 15".
    How do you fill the fit after the ride?

    Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xor.io View Post
    I'm about to order 2 bikes for me and my wife and thinking of 2010 Motobecane Fantom 29PRO SL (http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...om29pro_SL.htm) closeout for her (it's only available in 13").

    My wife is 5'5" and inseam is 30.7". So, similar to yours.

    We are still debating - 13" or 15".
    How do you fill the fit after the ride?

    Thanks in advance.

    There is really not much of a difference in the geometry of the 13" Vs 15" on this model frame and if I had the choice I would have went with the 15" and only as I like to sit high and so the seat tube is 2" shorter and so I am having to max out my seat post, otherwise, the distance from seat to bar (top tube distance) with a 100mm stem in which I believe is the same size as the Ritchey they originally had on it is perfect. If she is a 30" inseam it sounds like she is more leg giving her a shorter upper torso and so the 13" would be a perfect fit for her, no doubt on that one.

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    100 mile report on 29.2...

    Everything is hanging together. This bike really shines on fire roads or quick single-tracks. I come from the road so I am really enjoying xc style biking. I have done some slight jumps and twisty single-tracks along with all sorts of rocks and roots with no problems. The tight techy stuff is a problem though probably due to my skill and the size/weight of the bike, but I don't spend much time on trails like that.

    Creaking is still there, and it definetely sounds like its coming from the BB or crank. Its just loud enough that only I can hear it. I tightened down everything, but its still there.

    The dart 3 fork is doing its job, but I think I need a softer spring (I weigh around 160-165). In order to get the thing moving, I have to really open up the damper leaving me bouncing around a little more than I'd like. I think a softer spring would let me use more damper. I have noticed the fork responds well when the front is really loaded up (which rarely happens), but it isn't working well when I am seated back or standing and leaning back on a descent. Its great for absorbing big roots and rocks in the way, but the smaller vibrations are annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katalinagirl View Post
    There is really not much of a difference in the geometry of the 13" Vs 15" on this model frame and if I had the choice I would have went with the 15" and only as I like to sit high and so the seat tube is 2" shorter and so I am having to max out my seat post, otherwise, the distance from seat to bar (top tube distance) with a 100mm stem in which I believe is the same size as the Ritchey they originally had on it is perfect. If she is a 30" inseam it sounds like she is more leg giving her a shorter upper torso and so the 13" would be a perfect fit for her, no doubt on that one.
    Thanks for quick reply, just pushed submit button and ordered 2010 29Pro SL 13" for wife and 2011 29Pro 17" for myself (I'm 5'10", but with 34 inseam, seams like I will max out seat post as well).
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    Keep me posted on the 17" fit.

    I'm 6'1 and 34.5" inseam and the 19" was the answer. Breaking it in has felt great after 70 miles and fit seems right. The 17" i tested in the Trek/GF line felt to small for my long legs and I've grown accustomed to the cockpit but may try an offset seatpost and stem combination if i feel uncomfortable.

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    I'm 6'3" and 230 lbs

    I got the 19" Point2 for $550 and love this bike so far! Great value and I get a lot of questions and thumbs up when I'm on my local trails:


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    For any of you that may be interested in converting your WTB Laserdisc Trail 29'ers to a tubeless set here's how to do it. Keep in mind that you can buy the Stans Conversion Kit for this and not the one they instruct. Seems that these rims work well for this.

    http://www.cantitoeroad.com/news/60/...op-Channel.php

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    Would love to see more reviews of this bike, especially from those who've been updating, for a longer term review. This bike has my interest currently.

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    Had this bike for a couple of months now. I am a new rider here in Florida riding xc. I am also a heavier rider at 290lbs. I absolutely love this bike! It's really holding together nicely.

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    I have the Point5, since May i think. Love it, takes me everywhere I want to go on a trail. Set correctly nothing slows me down and I have been hopping like crazy and loving every minute in the seat. Once I have the seat post setup correctly I will love it more.

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    I have had my .3 for about a month now and I would say I already have almost 150 miles of single track on it and I love it. If I were to buy again I would probably get the .5 for the reba (for weight & the adjustability), but in all honesty the tora is wonderful but heavy. People online are going to hate on you for buying a BD bike, but when im out on the trails passing people I get only positive comments.

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    I bought a point 3 this spring, I ride XC about 20-40 miles a week. I'm 6'4", 205 pounds, and I've had no problems with the bike frame or components. I replaced the handlebar and upgraded the pedals and grips but that's it. I do get sideways looks when people ask me what kind of bike I have, but it doesn't seem to have any effect on performance

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    Quote Originally Posted by schob View Post
    I bought a point 3 this spring, I ride XC about 20-40 miles a week. I'm 6'4", 205 pounds, and I've had no problems with the bike frame or components. I replaced the handlebar and upgraded the pedals and grips but that's it. I do get sideways looks when people ask me what kind of bike I have, but it doesn't seem to have any effect on performance
    What bars did you put on yours?

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    How would you guys rate the geo of the frame? Natural/Neutral, more aggressive? I'm about to order a point2 in 17.5" but cant figure out their geo chart (unsure of the unit of measure). I'm about 5'10, 32.5" inseam. that frame seems to make the most sense but I have a slightly shorter reach I think. Curable with bars?

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    The Gravity series is almost identical to the Gary Fisher geo minus the G2 offset. The Gravity comes with riser bars while the Fisher/Treks come OEM with flat sweeps. I wanted a Fisher to start but found better value in the Gravity.... Been happy ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDTigger View Post
    The Gravity series is almost identical to the Gary Fisher geo minus the G2 offset. The Gravity comes with riser bars while the Fisher/Treks come OEM with flat sweeps. I wanted a Fisher to start but found better value in the Gravity.... Been happy ever since.
    That's what I like about my Gravity Point 3. I got a really nice frame set with a geo I'm familiar with (friend has a Mamba) but I don't have to pay for "Trek's" name. Most likely the frames are built in the same factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thadon View Post
    That's what I like about my Gravity Point 3. I got a really nice frame set with a geo I'm familiar with (friend has a Mamba) but I don't have to pay for "Trek's" name. Most likely the frames are built in the same factory.


    Yep, you didn't get Trek quality either and no, they were not built in the same factory. The plain outright misinformation in these threads is hilarious. Rave on fanbois.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    Yep, you didn't get Trek quality either and no, they were not built in the same factory. The plain outright misinformation in these threads is hilarious. Rave on fanbois.
    Yeah I know I didn't trek thanks god cause it sucks. I own a trek and bought the point 3 frame a month after owning the trek. Also they are made by the same company. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinesis_Industry

    After having such a crappy trek I'm never buying another trek. Im not a fanboy I just like having things that work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thadon View Post
    Yeah I know I didn't trek thanks god cause it sucks. I own a trek and bought the point 3 frame a month after owning the trek. Also they are made by the same company. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinesis_Industry

    After having such a crappy trek I'm never buying another trek. Im not a fanboy I just like having things that work.


    Crappy Trek? Care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDTigger View Post
    The Gravity series is almost identical to the Gary Fisher geo minus the G2 offset. The Gravity comes with riser bars while the Fisher/Treks come OEM with flat sweeps. I wanted a Fisher to start but found better value in the Gravity.... Been happy ever since.
    I hear that BD even copied Fisher's lifetime warranty. Is that true????

    You might have not paid for Trek's name and "got a deal," but you also are pulling money from all of those cycling things Trek supports- beyond local business- the Leopard team, and all of this stuff.. http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/compa...ieve/advocacy/

    I normally don't like to get into this stuff, but I get tired of hearing the same banter over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jnthomps08 View Post
    I hear that BD even copied Fisher's lifetime warranty. Is that true????

    You might have not paid for Trek's name and "got a deal," but you also are pulling money from all of those cycling things Trek supports- beyond local business- the Leopard team, and all of this stuff.. http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/compa...ieve/advocacy/

    I normally don't like to get into this stuff, but I get tired of hearing the same banter over and over.
    I like my bike...you gotta problem with that? I see the same screen names bashing happy BD buyers and have to ask ...why? I can't afford a price tag heavy Fisher Mamba with Tektro Hydro's so I grabbed the Gravity.5.

    Does Trek/Brand name manufactures pay you for your hours of dedication? And your plan actually backfires, it makes a happy BD customer,like myself, post MORE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDTigger View Post
    I like my bike...you gotta problem with that? I see the same screen names bashing happy BD buyers and have to ask ...why? I can't afford a price tag heavy Fisher Mamba with Tektro Hydro's so I grabbed the Gravity.5.

    Does Trek/Brand name manufactures pay you for your hours of dedication? And your plan actually backfires, it makes a happy BD customer,like myself, post MORE!!!



    There are a lot of happy customers at Goodwill Ind., whats your point that your winning the race to the bottom? And to the unhappy TREK customer, back up you assertion that TREK quality was crappy, otherwise keep it to yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDTigger View Post
    I like my bike...you gotta problem with that? I see the same screen names bashing happy BD buyers and have to ask ...why? I can't afford a price tag heavy Fisher Mamba with Tektro Hydro's so I grabbed the Gravity.5.

    Does Trek/Brand name manufactures pay you for your hours of dedication? And your plan actually backfires, it makes a happy BD customer,like myself, post MORE!!!
    Feel free to quote that part in my other post..

    It seems to be that the majority of BD buyers, order from BD because they "dont want to pay for the [TREK] name" (or whatever brand). All I was saying is that BD is not only cheaper because it is factory direct, but also because BD does not have a local, national, or global team. BD does not support bike advocacy in cities. BD is not putting kids on bikes. BD is not supporting IMBA or and SORBA chapters that help keep are trails in good order... That's all I am saying. I dont hate your bike RDTigger. Im sure it is an awesome machine; so is my Fisher 29er

    The only problem I have with the Gravity series is that the geometry is a direct copy of Fisher's, except the G2 offset. To me, that is a bit shoddy, but that is solely my opinion.

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    I'm being told I should be on a 15" frame base on an inseam of 32.5 and 5'9" height. I "should" be a 17-18" frame in most 26" bikes, is that pretty standard to drop a size when going 29er?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendosa View Post
    I'm being told I should be on a 15" frame base on an inseam of 32.5 and 5'9" height. I "should" be a 17-18" frame in most 26" bikes, is that pretty standard to drop a size when going 29er?
    Go ride a 29r and see what you think of the 15" and 17" frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendosa View Post
    I'm being told I should be on a 15" frame base on an inseam of 32.5 and 5'9" height. I "should" be a 17-18" frame in most 26" bikes, is that pretty standard to drop a size when going 29er?
    It all just depends. Remember, effective top tube length (ett) is the most important factor in determining bike fit.

    I used to ride a 17.5" 26er (too small in retrospect). I went to a 17.5" 29er and it felt better. My latest ride is an ~18" Niner and it has a top tube about the same as my cx bike. It feels the best. It took a while to figure out what I liked.

    Like RDTigger said, you have to go try a few. Of course, they should probably be Fishers since the Gravity has a similar geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendosa View Post
    How would you guys rate the geo of the frame? Natural/Neutral, more aggressive? I'm about to order a point2 in 17.5" but cant figure out their geo chart (unsure of the unit of measure). I'm about 5'10, 32.5" inseam. that frame seems to make the most sense but I have a slightly shorter reach I think. Curable with bars?
    I'm 5-10, and just got the Gravity 29.4 in 17.5. Fits perfects. No sure what my measured inseam is, but I wear 30 inch inseam pants. I could measure the SO height for ya, if you want

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTFargo View Post
    I'm 5-10, and just got the Gravity 29.4 in 17.5. Fits perfects. No sure what my measured inseam is, but I wear 30 inch inseam pants. I could measure the SO height for ya, if you want
    That would be excellent if you could do that for me. I where 30" pants too, but I feel my reach is a bit shorter then average due to my build. Also as mentioned above your post, would you be able to give me the ETT of the bike as well? Any pics of you on the bike would be great too, thank you.

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    I loaded some pix's to an album here

    http://photobucket.com/albums/b106/V...ity 29 Point 4

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    Thanks, VTFargo for the pics. That color looks nice. Anyone have pics of the Point3? I'm not sure if the extra $100 is worth it for the Point4 over the Point3.

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    Fantastic pics VTFargo. I appreciate it. 17.5 looks ok on you when you're on the saddle but the TT is deceptively high, mid point is 32"...my stand over would be strattling the bar, litterally.. and thats a concern...especially if I have to jump off / fall. I guess 15" is the way to go for me...just cant believe I'm going to be buying a 15" frame lol.. Oh well, whatever works.

    Thanks again.

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    According to the geometry chart the stand over for the 17.5 is 77.5 which is around 30.5 inches. Where VTfargo is getting 32 inches. Could BD's specs be 1.5 inches off which I think is a considerable amount or is VTfargo measuring at the wrong spot? I just ordered a 15.5 Gravity 29.4 and if the geometry specs on the site are correct I should be good to go but this has me a little concerned. I am a little less than 5’7” with a 29-30 inch inseam. I am not overly concerned with stand over but it would be nice if the top tube was not jammed up on the boys . I guess I will find out tomorrow when UPS makes there delivery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendosa View Post
    Fantastic pics VTFargo. I appreciate it. 17.5 looks ok on you when you're on the saddle but the TT is deceptively high, mid point is 32"...my stand over would be strattling the bar, litterally.. and thats a concern...especially if I have to jump off / fall. I guess 15" is the way to go for me...just cant believe I'm going to be buying a 15" frame lol.. Oh well, whatever works.

    Thanks again.
    I think camera angles are playing into this, rechecked and its about 31 inches at that point. Kind of hard to measure and take a pix. Of course, don't really know where BD measured their standover. Given the slope of the TT, moving a little forward or rearward changes the SO a good bit.

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    Got my 29.4 together last night it took less the 45min. Pretty much mount the bars, adjust the headset, mount the rear derailleur and adjust the brakes. The 15.5 is a little taller than I expected if you are going by the stated geometry chart add 3/4 inch if you are concerned with standover. I am 5’6.5” with a 29.5 inseam and my nuts are just about touching the top tube with my back against the saddle. If I move an inch or so forward I am getting Intimate with the top tube. My arms are a little longer in proportion compared to the rest of my body ( my Indy Fab Crown Jewel has a 54cm top tube but 30 inch stand over ). I put on a 100mm Stem I had in parts bin and my and the reach feels great now which is what really matters.

    I will post up a bunch of picture after lunch today. I plan on riding a few miles around the industrial park here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclesteel View Post
    Got my 29.4 together last night it took less the 45min. Pretty much mount the bars, adjust the headset, mount the rear derailleur and adjust the brakes. The 15.5 is a little taller than I expected if you are going by the stated geometry chart add 3/4 inch if you are concerned with standover. I am 5’6.5” with a 29.5 inseam and my nuts are just about touching the top tube with my back against the saddle. If I move an inch or so forward I am getting Intimate with the top tube. My arms are a little longer in proportion compared to the rest of my body ( my Indy Fab Crown Jewel has a 54cm top tube but 30 inch stand over ). I put on a 100mm Stem I had in parts bin and my and the reach feels great now which is what really matters.

    I will post up a bunch of picture after lunch today. I plan on riding a few miles around the industrial park here.
    Let's see those pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccv2011 View Post
    Let's see those pics.
    I was about to post a few but I need 10 posts to be able to post pics

    After riding around for a while I am still not all that comfortable with the standover and a I am contemplating picking up a Niner EMD in small and swapping all the parts out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclesteel View Post
    I was about to post a few but I need 10 posts to be able to post pics

    After riding around for a while I am still not all that comfortable with the standover and a I am contemplating picking up a Niner EMD in small and swapping all the parts out.
    So/you have noticed the same thing I did about the geometry charts, the Niner frames have a longer top tube and lower standover than many other 29ers. I have an 18" Diamondback Overdrive and the reach is comfortable but the standover is VERY snug. I understand standover is not the most important thing, but if I could find a similiar top tube with lower standover it would be great. So the first thing I looked at was the geo charts for some readily available affordable frames, notably the Motobecane and Gravity frames. Unfortunately, they actually have same or taller standover at similiar ETT dimensions. Then I looked at the Niner frames and they look like a very nice combo of ETT and standover numbers to me. Unfortunately I think from what I have read and a brief demo on a SIR9 I think I actually want steel, and steel Niner frames start at $850.
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    Screw the search function... you're new, ask the question(s). If anyone gets thier undies in a bunch it's thier problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclesteel View Post
    I was about to post a few but I need 10 posts to be able to post pics

    After riding around for a while I am still not all that comfortable with the standover and a I am contemplating picking up a Niner EMD in small and swapping all the parts out.
    If you have a photobucket account or some type of online photosharing account, you can put the image in the post by using

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccv2011 View Post
    If you have a photobucket account or some type of online photosharing account, you can put the image in the post by using
    That is what I tried. A few more posts and I will be able to post some pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclesteel View Post
    That is what I tried. A few more posts and I will be able to post some pics
    Yea, I don't understand why they make us have 5 posts before posting pictures. It just encourages empty and not-very helpful posts.

    Anyhow, if you dont mind posting your online photo album we'd be glad to take a look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    Business must be booming! To easily have the ability to produce a CF 29er and opt not to means that you are missing a HUGE % of potential consumers.

    The % of damaged CF frames that are based on rock impact is tiny. Seems like you might be overlooking something IMO...
    I really don't think people want carbon fiber off road. A little gouge on a rock will make the integrity of the frame questionable. Leave carbon for the roadies.

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    I like the silver/grey frame, it looks nice. I'd pick one up if I didn't have the fly ti 29er already. Awesome bike the ti 29er. Still using the fsa crankset that came with it, and you know what, it's been smooth and quiet after a 1000 miles or so of riding.

    Any ways I wouldn't hesitate to buy the gravity bike. Would be a great first bike to learn and train on, plus it has disc brakes. Seems like a good deal to me.

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    I bought the 15.5" 29.1 as a cheap (but hopefully functional) bike for kids.

    It's heavy at 32 lbs, but the parts are functional. The fork is way better than my 1997 Fisher hookooekoo

    The LBS didn't have any 29ers at this price point. Their entry level was $700 and was equipped about the same. On the plus side, the paint and stripes were flashier and the whole package was 29-30 lbs.

    Saving $250 puts me 1/2 way to buying the next bike. Resale value on used mtn bikes is really crappy around here, so the better resale value of a name brand bike is lost on me...

    Final thought-- My GOD this thing has a long seat post. I am 6'3" and the seat post at maximum extension is almost enough for my stride. Who rides the 21" frame, big foot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by otmr View Post
    could have a been better thought out, but if I was on a really tight budget, which a lot of people are, I wouldn't snub it at all. Nothing a pinstripe removal tool can't take care of and some imagination.
    Are you referring to the use of the pinstripe removal tool for the removal of the logo on the frame? From the looks of my bike, the decal/logo is painted on there. Won't the pinstripe removal tool remove the paint on the bike because the matte paint doesn't really have a thick protective clear coat (like auto paint)?

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    Does anyone know if you can easily take the stickers off the gravity 29ers? I'm looking at the 29.4 specifically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect View Post
    On Zilla 27-speed Shimano monstercross I am shotting for $599 - but if I can I will do a lower intro price for our newsletter readers

    I really like the idea of a 'swiss army' bike; that can do about everything
    And I hope the monstercross can fill that bill for some riders

    Working hard to get the Zilla XX [20-speed sram] dailed in as component makers are not really thinking 'monstercross' right now; so as some have said they are in a way 'mutant'
    I know example below will take a bit of 're-do' once I get my hands on it; but it is what I am thinking as second step up in MC
    I really like the idea of a 'swiss army' bike that I can put a 29x2.3 tire.

    I like that Gravity Zilla XX [20-speed sram]. But it would be better if you put the disc brake mount in the rear triangle like Salsa Fargo, or Mongoose Sabrosa. Using this design, you'll be able to put a very strong touring rear rack (instead of using spacer or disc-specific rear rack for disc-brake clearance).
    Or perhaps take a look at ***.boardmanbikes.com, most of their mountain bike and cyclocross bike has disc brake mount in the rear triangle and they have eyelets for rack mounts.

    Also, swiss army' bike like Salsa Fargo has a rigid fork with eyelets and holes for front rack or water bottle cages. If you do this 'swiss-army' bike with that crankset [20-speed sram], people will say that you copy the idea from Salsa Fargo (an overpriced made-in-Taiwan bike). Thus, you can put on your website, "compare with Salsa Fargo." LOL

    And I don't know why you use brand Motobecane. Everybody knows it's not that old Motobecane. It would be better to create your own brand. "Gravity" sounds cool or perhaps "DirectBike-->".

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    Hi, I’m about to order the gravity 29.1 or 29.2 , I ride on asphalt mainly but I want a MTB because I ride over stairs, my Trek 7200 comfort bike with its 700 x 35c didn’t like that and it got stolen any way so I’m looking for a new bike.

    Question: if the bike will not see dirt trails but will see stairs up and down, sidewalks, pot holes does it make sense to get the Gravity 29.2 version over 29.1?

    Thanks
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    It looks like that SR Suntour fork is the same one as my boss's Trek bike. No matter how I adjust the lock-out It's still too soft to me.

    Gravity 29.2 is much better I think (With Rock Shox Dart 3 fork, Avid BB5 brake).

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    the Gravity looks nice, gonna look up the specs on it...

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    I ordered two of these, one for my son (arrives today), the other for me, arrives next week. Pretty excited to get back into mountain biking, and this was a great price point to jump back in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Zimmermann View Post
    Only a fool shops at a bike shop. Unless of course you need something right now, or you need some advice, or you have jacked up your drivetrain to the point the chain won't stay on. Then it's nice that the "fools" in your community have been good enough to help keep the bike shop there for your convenience.

    Only a fool pays for advertising when email accounts and MTBR accounts are free. Duh!
    That's is a very offensive comment.

    Buying from Local Bike Shop (LBS), you help supporting your local economy. I'd bought my first 29er for $800 (not include tax) at LBS even though I can get a comparable deal online at around $600(include tax).

    3 years later, I wanted to change that 29er to rigid fork. They can remember me so I've got a friendly deal. My LBS figured out which rigid fork to fit my bike, I paid $130(fork)+$40(labor)+tax. This steel fork is $120 MSRP (I can get it online for $90) and 445mm-axle-to-crown (so it's not suspension corrected)

    It's really worth to pay $40 extra fork itself, and $40 for labor at LBS. I had a very unique 29er with non-suspension corrected fork, so my pedals always hit the ground while I'm riding on gravel road. I wasn't a fool. I am proud to support my L(BS) and local economy.

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    Gravity 29.1

    Just got my 29.1 last night. Only ridden it a couple of miles but I really like it. I got it in grey and it looks sharp. Cant wait for the east coast to dry out so I can hit my favorite trails. I got a 17" and I have a 32" inseam and my sac almost touches top tube. Don't think I'll be doing any trials or logs with this but I'm sure it'll do great for trails.

    I have a Performance Bike Shop M201 hardtail that I paid like 500 for 8 years ago. It was my first suspension fork and was great but I wanted to upgrade brakes to disks. The Gravity 29.1 costs as much as new wheels (disk hubs), fork and brakes would have cost. Plus its a 29 which rides like my cross bike did but with more forgiving tires. I've been Mt biking since I got one of the first Specialized Rockhoppers in 1985. I worked in shops though college and got pretty good on mtb in the Cascades. I road ride too but can control my 11 month dog on leash easier when I mt bike. Now that I'm older and less of a risk taker, a 29r makes trail riding smoother and stable.

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    I was able to build my 29.1 in about a half hour using my shop skills. I'll fine tune brakes and gears as I break it in. When I worked in shops in college I would have poo pooed the Gravity as a non brand name POS. However today after owning 5 mt bikes and buying a few for my boys, I can appreciate quality and value of the Gravity. I learned of 29rs at the LBS and noted that entry point for 24spd disk was $650 on sale. If I didn't know how to build and adjust a bike I would have reservations about ordering a box bike off the Internet. The fact that LBS build and do followup adjustment is worth at least $50. So I saved about $150. But considering this bike is so much better for less than I spent on my last hard tail, the fact its not a name brand frame doesn't matter to me. The hydroformed tubes, tig welds and paint finish are as good as I've seen on bikes for $300 more.

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    Thanks for the little updates 99thObsidian, I can't put my son's bike together until I get home from my business trip on Saturday, and mine on Monday after work.

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    I recently purchased a Gravity 29.2 as my first bike purchase. I researched this to death, and for the money, there is no better value than the 29.2 IMHO. You get disc brakes which rock by they way, and I was a bit leery of the fork when I purchased it. As it turns out the fork is hydraulic, has a spring preload and external damping adjustments. Well I am 6'3 and 238 lbs and this for works great right out of the box. I have not even touched the damping or preload adjustments ever. I DO use the lockout for an occasional stand up hill climb and this feature is much more handy than I would have imagined. I never thought i would use it, but it is great when you stand up.

    I added dual bottle cages with 24oz polars, a planet bike 9.0 computer, and a Jannd saddle bag.

    I built the bike in about 30-40 minutes, and set everything up pretty meticulously. build up was no problem but i did scratch the inside of the fork with my disc.

    The brakes take a minute to get set up properly, and you should not assume the calipers are lined up to accept the rotors as they slide around during shipping.

    I have 290 miles on the bike in the last 2 months. I try to ride 8-10 miles on all weeknights and 18-20 on Saturday and Sundays. Weather permitting.

    I never thought to tighten the headset on my initial build, but after i felt some clicking during braking I snugged the bolt down a little bit until it was rock solid again. Other than that I have not had a single issue.

    As far as frame quality I put that to the test the other day inadvertently. IT was dark out and i was cruising downhill and I hit a downed tree in the road at about 10-15 mph. The tree was about 8" in diameter and I never saw it coming. Next thing you know I am in the air but I stayed on the bike! Thank god I was on a 29er because I would have been over the handlebars like superman on a 26". I swore a blue streak thinking I had wrecked the bike for sure, but when I got it back home there was NOTHING wrong with it. Not even a dent in the wheel!

    Also there are a few bonus items on my bike. My shifters are Deore, and they are listed as Alivio. This is a BIG upgrade in my opinion! Everything else is as it is listed.

    I find the grips to be a bit too small in diameter for my liking. I don't know what it is by my palms hurt a bit on long weekend rides and I find myself adjusting my grip or just giving my hands a rest for a moment. I read up, and ordered my self some OURY grips which are currently on the way to me. I think they are bigger in diameter and a bit softer, and this should make the bike perfect.

    Sorry about the long write up. And yes this is my first post!

    I am also Clyde on 29 on map my ride.
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    Nice post Clyde. Glad to hear from somebody that has really put their Gravity 29 to the test. Super sweet pic. I cant wait to hit the canal trail near my house. I love disc brakes, soooo much better than rim grabbers.

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    Clyde is your front brake line not tied to the crown on the fork? It's hard to see but it looks like it drops straight down off the bars. As a safety point you should have it zipped tied to the inside of the fork. Sweet pic by the way!

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    Got home yesterday from a business trip and immediately got my son's .1 put together. It was the first time I have ever put together a bike, it was really easy, took about 30-40 minutes. Took it for a couple test rides, made a few adjustments, then handed it over. I got us both the 21 sized bike (mine arrives tomorrow), probably could have gone with the 19, but based on my older two boys height, my 16 year old, who is 6'3", will likely even taller than my 19 year old, who is 6'5. The entry level shock seems to work fine for both of us going off a few curbs, but neither of us are what I would call heavy for being 6'3" (145 for him, 185 for me), the true test will come on Tuesday when we get out for our first ride on some trails.

    We are looking forward to some fun fall riding, pics of both bikes in the wild to come after 5 more posts I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Clyde is your front brake line not tied to the crown on the fork? It's hard to see but it looks like it drops straight down off the bars. As a safety point you should have it zipped tied to the inside of the fork. Sweet pic by the way!
    Thank you for your observation. It actually does drop straight down! It hasn't been a problem yet, but I have extra zip ties around and I will restrain it. Thank you.

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    I would tie it up just to make sure it doesn't get snagged on something and damaged. Otherwise it looks perfect.

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    Rode my new 29.1 on a nearby singletrack last weekend. It did really well down and up some narrow root and rock strewn trails. I feel it actually carries momentum better than my 26 did. Really lovin the disks brakes. Having a 9 speed cog really helps picking the right gear. No slips, good traction up and down. Slow speed line picking was nimble. Sped down some gravel horse trails on way back. Big wheels really smooth out ride, builds confidence. I know this is a entry level 9er but it really performs better than costlier bikes I've tried years ago. Swapped my dual sided spd pedals onto my 29.1.

    Saw a Specialized Hardrock Sport Disk 29r for $550 @ LBS but it only had a 8spd cog. Lower quality brakes and derailleurs too. Fork didn't have a lockout feature. Still confident I made the right choice.

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    Second 29.1 got in today! Got it together in less time then the 1st one. Interestingly, this one was actually packaged slightly better but, it had some damage to the paint on the down tube, one small spot where it is completely missing even though the protective wrapping had none! Oh well, it doesn't change the performance of the bike, and I have seen bikes with worse in various LBS. The only other odd thing, the chain was on incorrectly, easy fix with the SRAM quick link deal. Tomorrow after work my son and I will give them a real ride followed by a ride report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithe68 View Post
    Took it for a couple test rides, made a few adjustments, then handed it over. I got us both the 21 sized bike (mine arrives tomorrow), probably could have gone with the 19, but based on my older two boys height, my 16 year old, who is 6'3", will likely even taller than my 19 year old, who is 6'5.
    Interesting. I'm 6'1" and change, and fit nicely on a 21" Rockhopper and a 20.5" Marin, so I thought me and my 34.5" inseam (barefoot+book wedgie) would be good to go for a 21" Gravity. I always thought my 19" FS 26er had a ridiculous amount of seatpost. You would go 19" at 6'3"?

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    Pay very close attention to the length of the top tube on the Gravity bikes. IMHO, this frame has a long top tube for a given frame size. I am 6'3" on a 19" frame and it is a reach for me. Before I bough my bike I went to a LBS and sat on some comparable frames of different sizes to get a feel for what a comfortable frame geometry would be. It would be great if you could find a Gary Fisher dealer as this frame is a direct clone of the Fisher. IF not pay attention to the top tube length as the seat post is highly adjustable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wonderful View Post
    Interesting. I'm 6'1" and change, and fit nicely on a 21" Rockhopper and a 20.5" Marin, so I thought me and my 34.5" inseam (barefoot+book wedgie) would be good to go for a 21" Gravity. I always thought my 19" FS 26er had a ridiculous amount of seatpost. You would go 19" at 6'3"?
    I think for a little more room for the boys in the event of an unintended dismount on an uphill, the 19" would be a safer bet. I can tell you in a pair of gym shorts, and some boxer briefs, the boys were touching, my inseam is comparable to yours. That was with a pair of running shoes on. I threw on a pair of my tri shorts and that gave me some room to where I could lift the front wheel a couple inches, at most, while straddling it with the front of the seat just touching my back. My wife stood over my bike and could only just flatfoot, her inseam is 33.5" (measured during a bike fitting), granted that was barefoot but it pretty much backs up the couple measurements I took. Just in front of the crank the top tube is at 33", and measuring right at the back of the tire, it's 35". I picked those spots because the odds of landing any further back is pretty much impossible with the seat in the way, and any further up dang near puts you into the handlebars.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithe68 View Post
    this one was actually packaged slightly better but, it had some damage to the paint on the down tube, one small spot where it is completely missing even though the protective wrapping had none!.


    Smithe68 let bikesdirect know about the damage. My 29.4 had some paint damage on the down tube also. I emailed them a few pictures and they ended up crediting me around $35 dollars back.
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    Thanks for the tip, pics and info on the way to them.

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    Got out for a ride today in a mix of single track, open trails, loose sand, rocks, etc. The bikes worked perfectly, and maybe the shock isn't the best but, compared to what I last road (GF Hoo koo e koo of the elevated chainstay, no suspension vintage), it soaked up everything we threw at it. The bike tracked well, handled bumps, downhills, uphills etc. I am extremely pleased with my purchases. My son had a great time as well, this is his first mountain bike and he is jonesing to head back out this weekend and had us riding another few miles more than our original plan.

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    ok, so i narrowed down my choices for a new mountainbike, the only problem is, can anyone explain me the difference between the:

    Motobecane Fantom 29
    Gravity 29

    both really dont give each other anything in terms of pricing or parts. the gravity seems to be a bit cheaper than the fantom, on the other hand, on the other hand the gravity is still the 2011 model, while the fantom is already listed as 2012 model.

    the fantom seems to have a bit steeper head angle, so maybe this model is more for trails more agile compared to the gravity, which might be more of a straight-line model?

    no idea in terms of weight, the gravity frame just look heavier

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    Smithe68,
    By the looks of your pictures you live in great mtbiking country. I too am looking forward to enjoying XC riding with my sons on my 29.1. I think the real good story here is that for the price of base line Gary Fisher Mamba $900 29r hardtail, you got 2 similarly equipped bikes (one for you and one for your home grown riding buddy). While I don't mind road riding solo, when riding in the sticks I'd rather have a buddy than a $1k bike and 1-2 less lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 99thObsidian View Post
    Smithe68,
    By the looks of your pictures you live in great mtbiking country. I too am looking forward to enjoying XC riding with my sons on my 29.1. I think the real good story here is that for the price of base line Gary Fisher Mamba $900 29r hardtail, you got 2 similarly equipped bikes (one for you and one for your home grown riding buddy). While I don't mind road riding solo, when riding in the sticks I'd rather have a buddy than a $1k bike and 1-2 less lbs.

    Riding here is fantastic, we live in eastern Washington state. That area is a couple miles from our house, Riverside State Park. You will have great fun with your sons, I know I am having a blast with mine. Was just talking about how I basically got 2 bikes for the price of one here at work to a couple of friend. At my level of riding trails, I won't notice the extra weight, if its even there. On the road I ride solo plenty and actually prefer it plus no one like drafting off a tri bike anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fifilein View Post
    ok, so i narrowed down my choices for a new mountainbike, the only problem is, can anyone explain me the difference between the:

    Motobecane Fantom 29
    Gravity 29
    answering my own question with the help of the support

    The Gravity's use a slacker trail style geometry and the Fantom's use a more aggressive race style geometry. We expect 2012 Gravity models over the winter, there are no planed changes we are told.
    and it looks the X7 model is the way to go, better fork, better brakes - compared to the x5 model.

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    Pulled the trigger on a 29.5 today. Seeing the frame manufacturer and geo is exact (literally, compared all specs and dimensions) to a Trek X-Cal or GF Paragon put me over the hump. They followed up with shipping confirmation in <2 hours! They bike should be here monday!

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    Hello,
    I am currently in the market for a bike and I have been trying to decide what to get. I sent an email with some questions to your sales dept but all I got in return was an ad listing for one of your bikes and no real help.
    I saw your posting and decided to try to ask you some of the same questions.
    I live very near the Blueridge Parkway and have started to ride it for exercise on my Univega hybrid. I am looking for a bike that I can ride some of the local single tracks and a pump track with my son.
    I have spoken with a couple of local bikers and they recommended that I get a 29er because it would be the best for both applications.
    I have one Daughter in college and a Son whom we are still homeschooling and I have very little money to spare. I am very interested in the Motobecane Fantom 29 you have listed on your site but it states that it is sold out.
    I am 6'1" with a 30" inseam and I have a very long torso and the arms of an ape.Will you be getting any more of these in in a size for me? And if not what would be a comparable bike in the same price range with a good front suspension?
    I'm sorry I had to contact you like this but I've tried to contact
    your sales staff and haven't gotten very good results.
    Thank you for any help you can give me with this.

    Thanks again,
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect View Post
    Gravity 29ers have been a bigger hit than I even thought they could be; so there is plenty of volume to add 23" frame

    I will start on that now; but it may take a while

    Plus boxes are an issue; packing and shipping 29ers is tricky in itself
    but adding 23" size will be a challedge as we have to be able to ship UPS
    [as do not ship anything by LTL]

    Sorry for the double post but it's 3am and I'm exhausted and at work.

    This post is for the BD guy Mike. I hope I'm not breaking any forum rules but here it goes.

    Hello,
    I am currently in the market for a bike and I have been trying to decide what to get. I sent an email with some questions to your sales dept but all I got in return was an ad listing for one of your bikes and no real help.
    I saw your posting and decided to try to ask you some of the same questions.
    I live very near the Blueridge Parkway and have started to ride it for exercise on my Univega hybrid. I am looking for a bike that I can ride some of the local single tracks and a pump track with my son.
    I have spoken with a couple of local bikers and they recommended that I get a 29er because it would be the best for both applications.
    I have one Daughter in college and a Son whom we are still homeschooling and I have very little money to spare. I am very interested in the Motobecane Fantom 29 you have listed on your site but it states that it is sold out.
    I am 6'1" with a 30" inseam and I have a very long torso and the arms of an ape.Will you be getting any more of these in in a size for me? And if not what would be a comparable bike in the same price range with a good front suspension?
    I'm sorry I had to contact you like this but I've tried to contact
    your sales staff and haven't gotten very good results.
    Thank you for any help you can give me with this.
    Please private message for my email or phone# to discuss this.
    Thanks again,
    Tracy J Saul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buggyr333 View Post
    Whats the name of that Wally bike, I wanna do some research to see.

    Edit: Not a clone, look at the headtube, the Wally doesn't have an intergrated headset, and it looks like the dropouts are different too, hard to tell in the pictures though.
    I th9nk it's a mongoose deception.

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    I realize this thread is quite old, though there are some more recent posts. I've read through a lot of the vitriolic comments concerning Bikes Direct, and felt the need to comment, as I bought my titanium Motobecane Fly Team 29er from them a couple months ago. It was my first BD purchase, but I'll tell you this much: it won't be my last.
    I don't get all the negative comments about BD. Support your local LBS by taking your bike in to get tuned or have work done on it, which I do. I've also bought many a bike from my LBS, and so I feel justified in saving the money I did by using BD.
    One of the major comments I don't understand people making is that they hate BD's marketing structure. Well, first of all, it's MARKETING. What company doesn't beef up their claims about things to make their product sound good? Seriously. What economic system do you think we're using?

    Second, I don't think there's any way anyone could argue that the bike I bought isn't a ridiculous deal, worth literally thousands more than I paid (if compared to similar offerings from the 'big guys'). The frame is titanium, and aerospace grade titanium, I might add. X0 Front Derailleur. X0 Rear Derailleur. X0 Shifters. Reba RL front fork (that goes for between $450-600 by itself), which by the way has the same adjustments on it and feels/performs just as good as the Fox fork on my last 'big name brand' bike (which cost me $4k and was only aluminum, and didn't come nearly as well-equipped as my Motobecane). Elixir 9 brakes. FSA Afterburner crank (sure, not the best, but it's solid, and it's pretty friggin far from terrible). Vuelta XRP Team 29er SL wheels (didn't know anything about Vuelta before this bike, but in two months of riding rough, rocky terrain, they've stayed true, are very light, and very fast... what else could you ask for exactly?). I did swap the seatpost for a carbon one (personal preference, the Ritchey one was pretty light and worked just fine), and the handlebars for wider, riser carbon bars (again, personal pref.)... but this is something I would have done on ANY bike I would have purchased (since NOTHING in this price range comes with carbon bars or seatpost... and guess what? Neither did my last bike at $4k).

    $2099.

    Now, anyone feel free to tell me where you can get a better deal?! The frame has zero cracks, perfect welds, similar geo to a lot of the top 29er hard tails out there, so how exactly is the BD marketing SO terrible? GF (Trek) Superfly Elite is a carbon frame (imo not as good), and the components really are pretty similar, and it's just shy of $5k.
    So how exactly is Bikes Direct putting crappy components on crappy frames and then lying about the 'deal' they're giving us? I really don't get the disconnect. Components are components. BD isn't making their own 'crappy' versions of the components that come on EVERY OTHER BIKE.

    I've been riding mountain bikes for years, and have NEVER in ALL my days come across as amazing a deal as my Motobecane. It's simply the fastest, most agile, fun, cheapest priced 29er I've ridden, period.

    In closing, I say if you can get a great deal on a bike, why wouldn't you? Don't listen to all the fanboy idiots talking about Trek and Specialized, etc. Guess what? They're all bikes. Many of them are made in the SAME factory. Give me a break.
    And as far as sizing goes, sure I've taken bikes out for test drives plenty of times, but I'm not sure how much it really matters. You don't really get a good feel for the bike until you take it on a trail and go for it. You can ALWAYS shorten/lengthen a stem or move your seat forward/back or get a setback seatpost. it's really not that hard to make the bike fit correctly as long as you get reasonably close on size. I'm 6'1", 34" inseam, the website recommended a 19" (which I was already probably going for anyway because my last bike was a 19"), and guess what? It fits PERFECT.
    So say what you will, fanboys and girls, I'll be the one passing your ass on my Motobecane. But hey, you look GREAT, so who cares, right?

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    Just as a last note and addition to my previous comment, just doing a google search for all the parts I listed on the bike (JUST the ones listed, which doesn't include the bars, seatpost, headseat, tires etc.), I came up with a number relatively close in cost to the TOTAL cost of the bike, so toss in the other parts and the PARTS ALONE are worth MORE than the bike actually cost. What does that sound like to you? To me it sounds like I got a *****in' titanium frame FOR FREE.
    If that's not a good deal, then I guess I just don't know what is.

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    Finally got the 29point5 completed this weekend. Put a few miles of street riding on it via head lamp in DT Denver, CO last night. Bike rides great. Haven't hit dirt yet, hope to this weekend. Smooth, quick, responsive. Seems like the frame is laterally stiff/rigid. You can feel the inertia of the big, 29er wheels on slow speed manuverability, but only if you're closely looking for it. Looking forward to some trails this weekend.

    Me: 5'10", 30" inseam, relatively longer reach (arms/torso) for my height. Shops usually size me off of reach and not stand over, as that is the more critical dimension. I usually end up with a frame a little tall for me and have to cut about 3" off the seat post to get the right height/bend in my knee. A LBS sized me as a Large frame when I bought my 2011 Specialized Enduro. I will probably cut the seat post on the 29point5 as well.

    Bike: Gravity 29point5, 17.5" frame

    First impressions:

    1) Standover is pretty high. The side of the box that the bike came in said that I needed a 33" inseam to clear this frame by 1". Not sure if I believe that or not, as it didn't say you need a 33" to clear a 19.5 or 17.5 or 15.5 frame... I doubt Gravity has different boxes printed for every bike they ship out.

    But: When I'm on the bike, the fit is great. Standing on flat feet, straddling the frame, I'm pretty close to the TT. But standing over a bike on flat feet happens so rarely while riding that I'm not worried about it. When I have my RF on the pedal and my LF on the ground (with the bike tilted to my left side, this happens much more while riding), the frame feels fine. Again, even at 5'10" with a 30" inseam on a 17.5" frame, I'm not worried about stand over. (Which is comforting as I was initially very worried)

    2) Frame quality seems good. Paint is nothing to write home about. In fact, I pretty much hate the matte black paint on the 29point5. But this was the level of components that I wanted, so I'll deal with the ugly/boring paint job. I can tell the paint will scratch easily, but oh well, its a mtn bike. Maybe I'll get lime green touch up paint for a little mix in colors :-)

    3) Bikesdirect has good communication and support. UPS damaged my bike/box in shipping (derailluer hanger was crazy busted and a few scratches on the frame). In addition, the front Elixir 5 caliper was defective (pinched o-ring on the body, it was leaking fluid). BD was prompt in response and quickly shipped me a new derailluer hanger and Elixir 5 front brake. Neither of these issues were their fault and they still promptly took care of me. I told them I didn't care about the scratches on the frame... again, its a mtn bike, I'll have added my own scratches/dings/nicks within 5 rides.

    4) The FSA V-drive cranks feel good/solid. No noticeable flex when you stand and crank hard on the pedals. The X.9 shifters are amazingly sharp/crisp in their action. My Specialized Enduro has an X.9 RD, but X.7 shifters... the X.9 shifters are much better in feel. The Reba SL fork seems nice, but I've jumped a few curbs/pot holes in DT Denver.

    5) The seat post, clamp, handlebar and stem are no-name brand and seem heavy. They don't affect the ride of the bike. In fact, these are easily replaced through some online or parts bin shopping - so I'll take my time and wait for a good deal. First thing I'll do is go with a wider handlebar, I prefer a more AM style bar, like the 720mm bar my Specialized Enduro has. The hubs are also no name and look heavy. They'd probably be better suited on a 29er commuter bike. Maybe I'll wait to find a deal on a complete 29'er wheelset.

    Only compaints so far:
    1) The bike is really boring in all black. Every component I buy for this bike will be some color other than black.

    2) There isn't a chainstay guard, so the chain slap against the frame is loud and chips the paint. Might just go ghetto and wrap an old inner-tube around the chain stay. Otherwise I'll get one of the LizardSkins neoprene chainstay guards. Maybe bright yellow or lime green to help address complaint #1.

    Here's a pic from the garage last night (the rear reflector will come off today).
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    Thanks for the info, hokiebrett. UPS was really malicious with my box/bike too. I've never seen such a deformed hanger.

    I agree with the handlebars, stem and other auxiliary parts. They seem to be built to last with no consideration of weight.

    I have the Point4 and I'm really impressed with the X9 RD. If the X9 shifters are a serious upgrade from X7, it'll be my next upgrade down the road.

    The matte black looks really clean, imo. The only thing that bugs me is the GRAVITY and TWENTY NINE logos everywhere.

    Once you hit the trails, you'll be really happy. I'm really satisfied with my bike. Descents and overall feel is really smooth.

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    Honestly man, I like the way the bike looks. It's not that blingy, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's boring. Certainly not as drool-worthy as others I've seen, but those others will cost you 3x as much, so who cares? Pass them on the trail on the Gravity and see what that does to their faces. ;D

    Sorry you had to deal with UPS messing up the bike. They bust up my packages all the time. I hate it. Glad BD took care of you. I haven't had to utilize their customer service, but from everything I've read about it on these forums, I wouldn't be worried at all if I had to.

    I'm curious on the weight of that build of yours. I know it won't be the lightest at all, but do you know what it weighs? Just wondering.

    Good riding, be safe, and have a blast on that bike!

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