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    My new 29er.

    It is nice to see all those custom builds out there.
    I have been around 29ers long enough to know what I wanted in a new bike.
    1. The down tube has to be manipulated to give me bottom bracket stiffness.
    2. It needs to have a tapered head tube to give me the front end control I crave.
    3. It needs to have 16.9 inch chain stays with plenty of clearance for any tire I wish to run.
    4. It needs to run a conventional front triple and clamp on type derailleur.
    5. The geometry has to be able to comply with drop bars, since I have wanted to try them out forever.
    6. It has to be rim brake compatible.
    7. It needs to have top tube cable routing.
    8. It has to be orange with white graphics and a white saddle.
    And lastly it has to come in at under $600!

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    That looks a bit like Devin's work...

    Here's mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004
    That looks a bit like Devin's work...

    Here's mine
    Except my builder doesn't use a dremmel!
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    So again...??? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    2. It needs to have a tapered head tube to give me the front end control I crave.
    But yet you have an adjustable stem on it? I'm confused. The adjustable stem would be your weak point I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    Except my builder doesn't use a dremmel!
    If you went with hydros you would be in the dremmel boat as well... not too many hydro rim brakes out there but they are out there-
    I Just wish I could ride more!


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    Quote Originally Posted by timbo337
    But yet you have an adjustable stem on it? I'm confused. The adjustable stem would be your weak point I think
    Strictly for fitting purposes since I am trying out drops.
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    Carbon?

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    How about a warning in the title so we know not to click it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmw
    How about a warning in the title so we know not to click it?
    ditto
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    There is no distraction. You only hear the sound of your breath and the crunch of the wheels across the dirt.

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    Guys,

    Just look at the poster before you decide to click!
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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    1. The down tube has to be manipulated to give me bottom bracket stiffness.
    2. It needs to have a tapered head tube to give me the front end control I crave.
    3. It needs to have 16.9 inch chain stays with plenty of clearance for any tire I wish to run.
    4. It needs to run a conventional front triple and clamp on type derailleur.
    5. The geometry has to be able to comply with drop bars, since I have wanted to try them out forever.
    6. It has to be rim brake compatible.
    7. It needs to have top tube cable routing.
    8. It has to be orange with white graphics and a white saddle.
    And lastly it has to come in at under $600!
    That's a pretty specific list. If you fulfilled all of those criteria, congrats. I can't wait to see the whole build. Good for you for teasing. The 29er board users seems so entitled sometimes. (double )
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    I dunno I hate waiting. Lol. Just wanna see the whole thing ESP when it's sooooo specific
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    you're holding the camera too close!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmw
    you're holding the camera too close!
    I so that sometimes!
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    Oh, and it has to be lighter than my Titanium hardtail!
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    What a let down clicking on that was. When I see a post about somebody's new ride I'm expecting some decent bike porn, not a bloody striptease show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmw
    you're holding the camera too close!

    Use lower aperture, something like f11 or f16. thats if you're using a dslr camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomJan27
    Use lower aperture, something like f11 or f16. thats if you're using a dslr camera.
    I did, and I used it wide open as part of the strip tease!
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    The only thing good about this thread is the Charge saddle, otherwise it's lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    The only thing good about this thread is the Charge saddle, otherwise it's lame.

    Lame?
    You are hurting my feelings!
    I took the rig out today with the new Charge saddle. I think I might like it. Usually I like my saddles like I like my women. Soft and squishy!
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    Nice pictures, pictures are not lame.
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    Any guesses?
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    Wide open is what gives you the bokeh effect in the pic, you have to use lower (close the ring) aperture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomJan27
    Wide open is what gives you the bokeh effect in the pic, you have to use lower (close the ring) aperture.
    Low aperture gives bokeh effect, higher apertures brings more of the picture into focus. Another factor is the sensor size in digital cameras. Small point and shoots are not as effective as giving bokeh as DSLR cameras.
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    looks like you took an existing bike and made your list from that. Curious combination of features, old skool and new. drops is no problem for most 29ers since the bars tend to be too high already. anyway, go ride it.
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    Fail until Full Monte is provided.
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    I'd venture to guess it is a Salsa Chili Con Crosso.

    What say you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iron29er
    I'd venture to guess it is a Salsa Chili Con Crosso.

    What say you?

    Jeff

    Wrong!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikecop
    looks like you took an existing bike and made your list from that. Curious combination of features, old skool and new. drops is no problem for most 29ers since the bars tend to be too high already. anyway, go ride it.
    Actually no. I got the bike complete, brand spanking new. I changed tires, stem, saddle and pedals but that has been it so far.
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    Epic Fail Thread

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    And as far as stripteases go, this one is. . . . . . . .

    I guess you'll just have to wait for me to complete that last sentence.
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    BTW: The larger aperture aperture enhances the effect, but it's a bit more complicated than that. For maximized bokeh, it's critical to get the camera as close to the object being focused on and the background as far as possible from the focal plane, regardless of aperture setting.

    A larger aperture (smaller number) setting will yield more separation in a given situation, but it's (by far) not all about aperture setting.

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    Epic waste of time.

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    The full Monte!!

    Well here are some "non spy" pics of my new ride. Pictured next to my "Monster Truck"
    I put 35 c tires on it vs. the 30 c ones that it came with. The real challenge was getting my bars up high enough to actually make the drops useful. With the short head tube and the long low stem that came with it, anything other than riding the tops of the bars, was painful. I bought an adjustable high rise stem, but even that wasn't enough. Yesterday I put on an old zoom clamp on riser that got me up another 2 inches or so. Now I am actually comfortable in the drops! Very fun bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    5. The geometry has to be able to comply with drop bars, since I have wanted to try them out forever.
    Clearly it's not. There is threads on high stems but I don't even think that will do it since on average you want the drops roughly 3 inches below the top of the seat.

    Sweet Voodoo, the Canzos are great.

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    I like the frame colour and the Voodoo in the background.
    Dunno what's going on at the top of the steering tube/stem but its damn untidy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Clearly it's not.

    Sweet Voodoo, the Canzos are great.
    The problem is that I don't know of a road or cyclocross bike that is designed to get the bars up high enough for the average rider. Road bikes used to be sized larger so you had less seat tube showing, you had more head tube, and a quill stem that you could raise to get your bars up.
    Today's road and cyclocross bikes are set up for young, long, limber, and lean racers, so the rest of us have to suffer the consequences.

    I really like my Canzo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugor
    I like the frame colour and the Voodoo in the background.
    Dunno what's going on at the top of the steering tube/stem but its damn untidy.
    Untidy yes, but necessary to get the bars up high enough. I am sure the fashion police here are going to have a field day with it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    The problem is that I don't know of a road or cyclocross bike that is designed to get the bars up high enough for the average rider.
    http://www.serotta.com/fierte_steel/specs.html#msrp

    http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/amos/70-999

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    Pr'sumably not a good option if he bought a 500 dollar entry level BD cross bike to try out drops or road riding or whatever.

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    Orange bike is fugly. The stem has to go. The voodoo is sweet though.

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    All of those spacers and extension look like $hit! Sorry, it just does. I understand what you are going for, but????

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    Nice bike, nice color, but what's the use of drop bars when they're up that high ?
    I get flashbacks from easy Rider...
    I don't trust the extender either, so better get used to sitting a bit deeper real soon.
    I'm not with the Fashion Police, if I was I'dd say the seat has to be black for a perfect match
    I like the thumbshifters on the Voodoo, nice touch.
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    Check out a Salsa Vaya maybe? Or the Planet X Uncle John...don't know what size you need but they have long headtubes.

    Also, the Moto doesn't have a tapered headtube. Just an integrated headset.

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    Ah yes .. a claytons bar. Its the drop bar you have when you don't want to drop.
    There are so many linkages and joins there with the steertube extension and adjustable angle stem that I think that that is not only pretty ugly but downright dangerous on a cyclocross bike.
    Why don't you just put some riser bars on it?

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    Wow... gotta agree this thread is a totally epic fail... Not even a 29er its a cross bike and it looks like crap with the bars lifted up like that, not to mention the saftety issues regardless of the fork steerer material.

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    You folks crack me up.
    So a question for you metallurgists out there? What forces is it going to take to break my funky stem and riser set up and what specifically makes it so dangerous? Why should I go to flat or riser bars when I really want a drop bar?
    How many of you with drop bar bikes ride the drops a good portion of the time? Most road riders I see are on the tops or hoods most of the time. Why should I have to give into an uncomfortable position just to please your sense of style and fashion?
    Same with the set up on my mountain bikes. I like my bars above my saddle. Now if I had very long arms it would be a different story but everyone is built differently.
    Back in the mid to late 80s bikes came with shorter stems and riser bars. Then the trend went to longer stems, flat bars, narrow bars and a much lower riding position. Now it is swinging back the other way.
    If you look at my setup my drops where I hold are below my seat level.
    Here is an interesting read from the late Mr. Brown. http://www.sheldonbrown.com/handsup.html
    But thanks for the feedback!
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    Here ya go:

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/forumdisplay.php?f=47

    Cyclocross forum is over in Road Bike Review


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    Dicky, Set up your bike to work for you - to H3LL with what anyone else says. I think it's ugly too - but if it works, well, I live in NorCal now and don't have to look at it!!! Did you look at the Salsa Fargo? That frame has a tall headtube and might suit your needs for a drop-bar machine. And it has a bazillion water bottle braze-ons (OK - 5 or 6...) that would be awesome for camping in Anza-Borrego!
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    While I agree that it is not a 29er , cut the guy some slack . What do you guys find so offensive about the OP setting up a bike to his preferences ? Give him some credit for thinking outside of the box , or better yet , post up pics of your own .

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    While I agree that it is not a 29er , cut the guy some slack . What do you guys find so offensive about the OP setting up a bike to his preferences ? Give him some credit for thinking outside of the box , or better yet , post up pics of your own .

    Thanks for the support guys!
    I don't really care what anyone thinks. From the get go I was expecting to get a bunch of junk for posting this. It was a cage rattling post from the beginning.

    Scott, I don't think anyone makes a head tube that tall! I didn't want to spend a boat load of money on a bike that I may or may not like. I was thinking if I liked the bike, to eventually sell it and get something "nicer" but I must say I am really impressed with it, and see no need to "upgrade".

    And I do know about the cyclocross forum. I even responded to a post on flat bars there. Seems like I am not the only one who has struggled with the drop bar position that the bike makers have decided everyone should be running.
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    I think the difference here is a cyclocross race specific bike VS a monstercross or a cyclocross bike that will be ridden on trails. If you look at the Vassago post for their cross bike (on the 29er forum), you will see lots of the same.

    But it makes me wonder what your road bike might look like. You must have similiar bar and stems on there, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicmtbr
    I think the difference here is a cyclocross race specific bike VS a monstercross or a cyclocross bike that will be ridden on trails. If you look at the Vassago post for their cross bike (on the 29er forum), you will see lots of the same.

    But it makes me wonder what your road bike might look like. You must have similiar bar and stems on there, no?

    No, cause I don't have a road bike. I got rid of my last one years ago. One of the reasons that I never much was into road bikes was because of the bar fit issue. Now that I have resolved my fit issue, everything is fine. I figure if I want to go out on a road ride or do a road event with some friends I will just throw some 25 c road tires on it.
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    Just for fun I went through a bunch of event photos from different road rides. Probably less than one percent of the riders were in the drops. So what is the purpose of riding a drop bar bike it you are on the tops or hoods all the time? What is the drop for? Oh ya to look cool!
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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    Just for fun I went through a bunch of event photos from different road rides. Probably less than one percent of the riders were in the drops. So what is the purpose of riding a drop bar bike it you are on the tops or hoods all the time? What is the drop for? Oh ya to look cool!
    The point is to have multiple hand position and one of those hand positions is supposed to be aerodynamic and one is for cruising or JRA.

    Rolling along...tops and hoods...hammering it...drops....fast paceline...drops...

    You have multiple positions alright, but neither of them gives you any real aerodynamic advantage because you are so upright.

    Since you clearly do not care about any aero advantage (which is totally fine) you should look for a cockpit setup that allows the multiple hand positions you are after yet does not require you to compromise the design of the frame.

    But dude...its your bike...do what you want.

    Kind of looks like a spoiler on a lifted pickup truck to me.

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    F0ck the dumbshi+. Whatever works for you works for you. Unless you're Fo, then you have no hope and should immediately hurl yourself ass over tea kettle down the nearest flight of 20+ concrete stairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lanpope
    The point is to have multiple hand position and one of those hand positions is supposed to be aerodynamic and one is for cruising or JRA.

    Rolling along...tops and hoods...hammering it...drops....fast paceline...drops...

    You have multiple positions alright, but neither of them gives you any real aerodynamic advantage because you are so upright.

    Since you clearly do not care about any aero advantage (which is totally fine) you should look for a cockpit setup that allows the multiple hand positions you are after yet does not require you to compromise the design of the frame.

    But dude...its your bike...do what you want.

    Kind of look likes a spoiler on a lifted pickup truck to me.



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    But what is the purpose of drops them if hardly anyone ever uses them? On your road bike, how often do you use your drops? What is the aero advantage of being on the tops or hoods almost all of the time?
    When I am in the drops on my rig it feels right, the way it should. Sorry the fashion police don't like it!
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    I've been thinking of trying that same CX bike with about 40mm tires front and back and am wondering if it's fun to ride off road or just hellish compared to your FS? I'm thinking it might be good for long climbing trails, maybe with a carbon disk fork on there with a long uncut steerer and clearance for the 45mm Panaracer Fire Cross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupboy
    F0ck the dumbshi+. Whatever works for you works for you. Unless you're Fo, then you have no hope and should immediately hurl yourself ass over tea kettle down the nearest flight of 20+ concrete stairs.

    I have always idolized Fo, and aspire to be like him. Other than his huge forehead!
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    Quote Originally Posted by esXso
    I've been thinking of trying that same CX bike with about 40mm tires front and back and am wondering if it's fun to ride off road or just hellish compared to your FS? I'm thinking it might be good for long climbing trails, maybe with a carbon disk fork on there with a long uncut steerer and clearance for the 45mm Panaracer Fire Cross.

    The bike is a real hoot and climbs real well off road. Got to take it slower on the downhills but for uphill, gravel and roads it is great. I went from the stock 30c tires to nicer 35c tires.
    I was going to get this bike with carbon fork and disc brakes but it wasn't in the budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    When I am in the drops on my rig it feels right, the way it should.
    How does it feel in the hoods? Or are they not used?
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    But what is the purpose of drops them if hardly anyone ever uses them? On your road bike, how often do you use your drops? What is the aero advantage of being on the tops or hoods almost all of the time?
    I've noticed that at 'cross races. Riders (fit racers no less) very rarely use the drops. It seems kind of dumb to have a big section of bar that can't be used because it's so low.

    And I think that stem riser looks a little funny, but if it works, good for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the munts
    I've noticed that at 'cross races. Riders (fit racers no less) very rarely use the drops. It seems kind of dumb to have a big section of bar that can't be used because it's so low.
    The reverse being that when you are drop bar MTBing you generally use the drops all the time and not the hoods at all.

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