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    My Chinese Titanium 29er

    Just got the confirmation pics. Took about 35 days. It's not a complete custom as far a geo but I had them build it for full housing and to have a replacable hanger. I'll post pics when I get the frame in.



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    Looks as pretty as any boutique builder's Ti frame (and I have two). For what it's worth, my wife has a Habanero Ti cyclocross bike (made in China) and it is very very nice -- I'd happily ride it (if it fit). I think this will work out great for you.
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    Looks nice.

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    I should have mentioned where, how much and all of that. I ordered it off Aliexpress. Xi'an Titanproduct Co., Ltd. - Small Orders Online Store, Hot Selling titanium cyclocross bicycle, titanium bicycle frame 26er, titanium 29er frame and more on Aliexpress.com They have website as well.

    It was $895 shipped. I also ordered a bar, headset and some spacers. They combined the shipping so I just paid shipping on the frame. It was about $1050 for all of it shipped.

    They have been great to deal with so far. It has a lifetime warranty. Not sure how hard it would be to get them to honor it. To be honest, at that price if something goes wrong I will probably just find a local-ish place that works with titanium and have it fixed here instead of paying to have it shipped to china and back and be without a frame for 8 months or whatever. I'll work that out if it happens I guess.
    They do complete custom, you tell them what you want and they will build it. There is no extra charge. You have to send them all the dimensions. It's not like Moots where you give them your measurements and they plan and build.

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    Got the frame in the other day. Frame looks good. 19" frame and weighs just under 3.5 lbs. Started to build it up last nigh. Should finish it tonight. Here are a few pics. Frame is kind of a mess. That ani-seize gets everywhere.





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    Let's see that bar! Nice frame too!

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    Looks like a well built frame.

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    I bought a ti 29er frame from them back in 04 to replace my stolen bilenky. We used to call them ChiTi 29ers on this board and there was discussion/assumption that the frames were not argon vacuum welded or some other tech that I don't understanand. They say they do 10k frames a year for other brands, but they'll do your custom too. The fake rep name was James. Not much of a salesman. Eventually he emailed me "you send money now!". So I did. 0 problems with the frame, raced it, rode it for about 3 years, when the bilenky came back sold it to a retiree who slapped some big apples on them and rides about 100 miles a day. Seriously. He goes through a set of big apples about once every 4 months! Still rollin'

    Just remember, they build EXACTLY what you say, so if you screw up, its your own fault

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    Nice - definitely got my attention!!!............been thinking about stripping down my old '04 Cannondale Jekyll and building a 29er - may go project 321 and put my C-Lefty Max on it..........
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    I already posted some of these in the "post a pic of your 29er" thread, but I guess I'll put them here for those that are interested.




    I ran out of housing, so I don't have a rear brake yet.



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    how doe she ride?

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    I'm recovering from my second shoulder surgery and won't be cleared to ride for another 2-3 weeks. But she rides pretty sweet in my driveway. The fit feels pretty good, won't know for sure till I hit the trails.

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    No offense.. just musing. When I look at this bike, my first reaction is this frame exemplifies everything that is wrong with America... sure, its an OK looking bike... front end geometry and long head tube seem incorrect to me and there seems to be no rear tire clearance... but who can complain when getting a titanium frame for $900, other than the American frame builder barely making it because he is beign undermined by slave wages being paid in a communist country... Oh well, As I head out for my memorial day ride thinking about the sacrifices that soldiers have made for our freedom while riding on my Made in the USA titanium frame, I won't be having regrets for spending a few extra hundred bucks for higher quality and supporting my fellow country man... but thats just me.. others value the almighty buck more... good for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw View Post
    No offense.. just musing. When I look at this bike, my first reaction is this frame exemplifies everything that is wrong with America... sure, its an OK looking bike... front end geometry and long head tube seem incorrect to me and there seems to be no rear tire clearance... but who can complain when getting a titanium frame for $900, other than the American frame builder barely making it because he is beign undermined by slave wages being paid in a communist country... Oh well, As I head out for my memorial day ride thinking about the sacrifices that soldiers have made for our freedom while riding on my Made in the USA titanium frame, I won't be having regrets for spending a few extra hundred bucks for higher quality and supporting my fellow country man... but thats just me.. others value the almighty buck more... good for them.
    Really ?? Did you men to right no offense, cause thats pretty offensive. I am not worthy of your respect because my bike was made buy a bunch of flannel wearing, molson drinking hockey loving socialists.

    The OP put together a rather sweet looking bike at a pretty good price and you have to shat on him?

    Enjoy your ride

    ps dont think Jerry would approve of you harsh words peace man

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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw View Post
    No offense.. just musing. When I look at this bike, my first reaction is this frame exemplifies everything that is wrong with America... sure, its an OK looking bike... front end geometry and long head tube seem incorrect to me and there seems to be no rear tire clearance... but who can complain when getting a titanium frame for $900, other than the American frame builder barely making it because he is beign undermined by slave wages being paid in a communist country... Oh well, As I head out for my memorial day ride thinking about the sacrifices that soldiers have made for our freedom while riding on my Made in the USA titanium frame, I won't be having regrets for spending a few extra hundred bucks for higher quality and supporting my fellow country man... but thats just me.. others value the almighty buck more... good for them.
    Your stoopidity seems incorrect to me
    Ever wonder why so many bikes have a curved downtube in that area of frame? Hint: it has a lot to do w/ fork crowns and also tires coming into the downtube.
    Nationalism is for morons, and your post absolutely proves it! Those soldiers we're remembering today fought Nationlism in WWII!

    Edit: Oh, and I absolutely meant to offend

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    Usually when a statement starts with "no offense" you know there is gonna be a truck load of it.

    First, if you can point me toward a US made ti frame for $1000 I'll send this one back and buy it. Carver, Habanero and like priced frames are not US made. Moots are good bikes... good boutique priced bikes, but I don't have, nor would care to drop 3 large on a Moots frame.

    The headtube length and angle are the same as a lot of Niner frames, so I'm not sure what you are talking about there. When looking at things from a biased perpective you tend to see what you want to see I guess. As far as tire clearence, I live in hot, dry Texas I don't need 3.8 tires or whatever so tire clearance has never crossed my mind. Never bought a rear tire more than 2.1 in my life.

    Be sure and tell all the veterans you see today that you over payed for a Moots. I'm sure they will be thankful or tell you to shut up. Oh I almost forgot, no offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrain48 View Post
    Really ?? Did you men to right no offense, cause thats pretty offensive. I am not worthy of your respect because my bike was made buy a bunch of flannel wearing, molson drinking hockey loving socialists.

    The OP put together a rather sweet looking bike at a pretty good price and you have to shat on him?

    Enjoy your ride

    ps dont think Jerry would approve of you harsh words peace man
    My apologies to the OP. Didnt mean to offend. Got caught up in a Made in the USA rant...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Your stoopidity seems incorrect to me
    Ever wonder why so many bikes have a curved downtube in that area of frame? Hint: it has a lot to do w/ fork crowns and also tires coming into the downtube.
    Nationalism is for morons, and your post absolutely proves it! Those soldiers we're remembering today fought Nationlism in WWII!

    Edit: Oh, and I absolutely meant to offend
    No offense taken... I apologized for my off the mark rant. If you could care less about hte status of the USA, more power to you.. the fact you have the time to post 3500 times on MTBR says alot...

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    Hey, where did you get the frame's geometry from? I can't seem to find it anywhere, but I'd love to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandwich View Post
    Hey, where did you get the frame's geometry from? I can't seem to find it anywhere, but I'd love to know.
    You tell them what u want and they send u the drawing. U OK the drawing and they build it. The Geo for my frame is the last pic on my second post in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw View Post
    No offense.. just musing. When I look at this bike, my first reaction is this frame exemplifies everything that is wrong with America... sure, its an OK looking bike... front end geometry and long head tube seem incorrect to me and there seems to be no rear tire clearance... but who can complain when getting a titanium frame for $900, other than the American frame builder barely making it because he is beign undermined by slave wages being paid in a communist country... Oh well, As I head out for my memorial day ride thinking about the sacrifices that soldiers have made for our freedom while riding on my Made in the USA titanium frame, I won't be having regrets for spending a few extra hundred bucks for higher quality and supporting my fellow country man... but thats just me.. others value the almighty buck more... good for them.
    Really??
    I have posted this same response elsewhere on this forum but it is as apt here as it was there:

    As an outsider I would say that there is LOT more wrong with America and Americans than a guy who buys a bike manufactured overseas.

    If you cannot see that then you are part of the problem.
    Oops....No offense.

    And that bike looks great to me no matter where it was built.
    I seriously dislike the way some posters are openly racist with their comments on Asian built frames and then try to hide it behind US patriotism.
    Sorry, it is racism. No matter how you butter it up.

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    if it has not been stated may i as what HB those are. nice ride!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kreater View Post
    if it has not been stated may i as what HB those are. nice ride!
    HB? What does that mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    HB? What does that mean?
    Handle Bar?

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    Oh, handlebar. It's a ti bar from the same company. $80 I think. I think I need to cut it down a little. Does anyone know if cutting ti is any different than anyother type of material?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw View Post
    No offense taken... I apologized for my off the mark rant. If you could care less about hte status of the USA, more power to you.. the fact you have the time to post 3500 times on MTBR says alot...
    Remember, assumptions and a55holes...
    Nowhere in my post did I say I don't care about USA! FYI, I'm a Canadian national, now naturalized US citizen, since 2007. I say "am" because Canada doesn't recognize the US requirement to renounce all other citizenships when you become a US citizen. I moved from a resort (what most would consider a rather idyllic life style) after a 17 year stint as a ski bum, to return to school (School of Mines) at 35 (2005) to bang out, first a BS, then a MS in Power Engineering. And a week from today, I'll be starting a position w/ US Dept of Interior; Bureau of Reclamation's hydroelectric operations. So, again you're making blind and stoopid comments/statements. Might I suggest you stop while you're behind...?!

    Edit: and those "3500" posts...you also can't read because it clearly says low 3200's. And, they're an accumulation from more than a few years.

    Edit edit: Some d0uche nozzle neg rep'd me saying he's sorry "they" let me in and that I must be a Democrat... The chicken5h1t didn't sign it... Yeah! FYI you T-bagging non-thinking fromunda cheese scum, new blood is good because all the in-breeding in the GOP has made you (yeah, specifically YOU) dumber than a box of hair! And, stop having babies w/ your sister!

    Edit edit edit: Learn how to Spell 'Stupid' was a neg rep. The irony you'd pick this to comment on, STOOPID!
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    Very nice bike! Congrats!

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    Apparently rascists dont like being called out as rascists.
    Rascists are also gutless and leave negative rep rather than actually coming out and saying what they should say on the forum.

    Typical.

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    Cut Ti the same

    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    Oh, handlebar. It's a to bar from the same company. $80 I think. I think I need to cut it down a little. Does anyone know if cutting ti is any different than anyother type of material?
    Let me say first that I love your setup and hope you get to trash the hell out it it soon (speedy healing dude), but if you have a regular pipe cutter from HD or Lowes it will work just fine. I say regular, but I mean a normal weight one, not a PVC cutter. You may have to go around it a couple of extra times, just remember to tighten it down a little after each revolution. - Oh, but make sure the pipe cutter is made in CHINA, the ones made in the USA will not cut titanium...unless it is USA Ti...ok I joke....good luck.

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    I would like to hear about the ride quality for the bike... Looks very sweet

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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw View Post
    No offense taken... I apologized for my off the mark rant. If you could care less about hte status of the USA, more power to you.. the fact you have the time to post 3500 times on MTBR says alot...
    ARRRRRGGGHHHHH

    COULDN'T care less..... It's COULDN'T care less. If you COULD care less then you would still have some caring available.

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    In response to the gutless person who used the rep to post this.

    supporting US businesses does not make a person racist
    No, but openly slamming a company by stating that they use slave labour and trying to hide his dislike for Asian manufactured goods is IMO rascist. At the very least it is a stupidly naive view of the world.
    Oh, and not to mention just straight out offensive (even with "no offense" added to his post).
    To the poster of this rep, get some balls.
    If you have an opinion then post it in the forum.
    Anonymous negative rep posters are the most gutless of the gutless.
    You are already posting from the anonymity of your keyboard and yet you need even more anonymity by posting anonymously in the Rep section.
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    I don't understand the whole rep thing. Can someone tell me or point me toward a link?
    Let's get back on topic, let's talk about how sexy my ride is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw View Post
    No offense.. just musing. When I look at this bike, my first reaction is this frame exemplifies everything that is wrong with America... sure, its an OK looking bike... front end geometry and long head tube seem incorrect to me and there seems to be no rear tire clearance... but who can complain when getting a titanium frame for $900, other than the American frame builder barely making it because he is beign undermined by slave wages being paid in a communist country... Oh well, As I head out for my memorial day ride thinking about the sacrifices that soldiers have made for our freedom while riding on my Made in the USA titanium frame, I won't be having regrets for spending a few extra hundred bucks for higher quality and supporting my fellow country man... but thats just me.. others value the almighty buck more... good for them.
    USA made custom ti for less than $1200, where?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    In response to the gutless person who used the rep to post this.

    [moar cry].
    Do you have to publicly whine every time you get a neg rep?
    If you don't like it, don't check on your rep all the time.
    Problem solved!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    I don't understand the whole rep thing. Can someone tell me or point me toward a link?
    It's not worth the effort.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    Let's get back on topic, let's talk about how sexy my ride is.
    This!
    That's a great looking ride. Congrats!
    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    Time to stop believing the hype and start doing some science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Apparently rascists dont like being called out as rascists.
    Rascists are also gutless and leave negative rep rather than actually coming out and saying what they should say on the forum.

    Typical.
    you dont need to call someone a racist. somebody gave me negative rep and called me a pretenous richardbag because I pointed out someone was rude for putting down a bike that somebody put a lot of time and effort into. I know that this is a internet bulliten board but there is truly no need to take a dump on somebodies bike. dont matter if its a huffy or a Rocky Element 70 (you can tell what I dream about) if you like it its a nice bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Anonymous negative rep posters are the most gutless of the gutless.
    You are already posting from the anonymity of your keyboard and yet you need even more anonymity by posting anonymously in the Rep section.
    What are the chances that I get the following anonymous neg rep for -15?


    Because NEG repping without signing is gay, but you don't check yours, so doesn't matter.
    Homophobic and hypocritical?
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    Wont get it from me.
    But my post has brought more jellyfish out of the closet.
    And freightrain, you obviously have a different tolerance to rascism than me.
    Last edited by TR; 05-29-2012 at 02:26 PM.

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    What is going on in here? All I did was buy a bike... be it a sexy bike, but not sexy enough to justify all the shenanigans and tomfoolery going on.
    "Be cool my babies!"-C.O.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Wong get it from me.
    But my post has brought more jellyfish out of the closet.
    And freightrain, you obviously have a different tolerance to rascism than me.
    To me the big problem with the post wasnt the implied rascism that comes form his response. The problem was for me that the OP had enough pride in his build( which he should cause its wicked effin sweet as we say here in the northeast.) to share with us. The is no need to take a big crap on his bike. When schneidw apologized to him I thought that was pretty big of him enough said. I do agree with you TR that its pretty low to give somebody neg rep and not attach your name. I may be new here but I belong to other forums for the other intrests. One has rep the other doesnt. the one that does only has positive to my knowlege ( I have never gotten any neg) and it shows the poster when they give it. I dont condone rascism and I dont think that schneidw meant it to be a rascist post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    What is going on in here?
    You got a sweet Ti bike!!
    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    Time to stop believing the hype and start doing some science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutless anonymous poster
    what is a rascist? Idiot.
    Added back to the discussion where you should have posted it if you wanted to actually be involved in the discussion.

    You dont know what a rascist is and yet I am the idiot?

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    Wow!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    Got the frame in the other day. Frame looks good. 19" frame and weighs just under 3.5 lbs. Started to build it up last nigh. Should finish it tonight. Here are a few pics. Frame is kind of a mess. That ani-seize gets everywhere.

    *pix*
    That is one sexy build! I love the 'all silver' thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    What is going on in here? All I did was buy a bike... be it a sexy bike, but not sexy enough to justify all the shenanigans and tomfoolery going on.
    "Be cool my babies!"-C.O.




    You didn't post enough pics to keep the homophobes, bigots, racists and idiots occupied. Flame away.


    Disclaimer: I didn't neg. rep. anyone in this thread, mainly because I can't figure who deserves it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Added back to the discussion where you should have posted it if you wanted to actually be involved in the discussion.

    You dont know what a rascist is and yet I am the idiot?
    I think he means that the word is "racist."
    Typical internet garbage. We know what you mean.
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    very cool bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    I think he means that the word is "racist."
    Typical internet garbage. We know what you mean.
    Funnily my spell checker does not think it is wrong.
    Anonymous Negative Repper should get himself a job working for whoever the company is that provides that to Firefox.


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    looks good!

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    Lenny,

    The bike looks great!

    I would really like to hear about the ride. I lust for a Ti Inbred. They haven't made them for years and this could be a way to get the same geometry without spending $3k. I can't justify that much.

    Keep us posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    Usually when a statement starts with "no offense" you know there is gonna be a truck load of it.




    Back when everything was still made in the USA, I could afford it. But now I seems I can hardly even afford the high end foreign stuff. And this only goes back less then 10 years.

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    Thanks for all the compliments.
    I go back to the doctor on the 12 and I hope he gives me the go ahead to do some riding. I'll post up when I get a review of the frame, other than how it rides in my driveway.

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    Same from me - I don't care about the others' rants that have NOTHING to do with the original topic......I want to know about the ride cuz I'm willing to cough up the cash to get one of these frames.....combined with my Carbon Lefty and some Stan's 29er wheels, I could get my weight down to around 22 lbs. and be one happy 50 yr. old fart on the trails.............might go carbon fiber on the HB, though..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_chrome View Post
    Same from me - I don't care about the others' rants that have NOTHING to do with the original topic......I want to know about the ride cuz I'm willing to cough up the cash to get one of these frames.....combined with my Carbon Lefty and some Stan's 29er wheels, I could get my weight down to around 22 lbs. and be one happy 50 yr. old fart on the trails.............might go carbon fiber on the HB, though..........
    With those two parts you could get an aluminum frame to 22 lbs easily. I have an XTC aluminum and it still has a very heavy seatpost and fox fork at 23 lbs.

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    Lenny.. the bike looks great.. let us know how she rides on the trails as soon as possible.. don't let the haters get to you... enjoy the ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Rod" View Post
    With those two parts you could get an aluminum frame to 22 lbs easily. I have an XTC aluminum and it still has a very heavy seatpost and fox fork at 23 lbs.
    When the Southeastern Bike Expo blew through Georgia in early spring, I got to ride a number of different bikes and by far, the titanium rides I sampled were more comfortable than the steel / carbon / aluminum bikes........weight is one factor, but since I'm getting older, I'm ready for that tad bit of extra comfort Ti offers...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_chrome View Post
    When the Southeastern Bike Expo blew through Georgia in early spring, I got to ride a number of different bikes and by far, the titanium rides I sampled were more comfortable than the steel / carbon / aluminum bikes........weight is one factor, but since I'm getting older, I'm ready for that tad bit of extra comfort Ti offers...........
    Exactly.

    I could buy a carbon Inbred and achieve the light weight while keeping the geometry. But, it wouldn't ride like the steel frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_chrome View Post
    ........weight is one factor, but since I'm getting older, I'm ready for that tad bit of extra comfort Ti offers...........
    Yes, I turned 40 this year and I hope the ti will give me a smoother HT ride. I loved my alum hardtail but I wouldn't mind smoothing out the ride a little without going FS.

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    I'm interested in your bike, thanks for posting it here.Have you owned ti before, were you looking for stiffness or comfort?
    I may become a customer too as I've been looking for used ti frames to stay near $1000 but can't find what I'm looking for.
    Can they do butted main tubes? I don't want an overly stiff frame but do want some modern features like 30.9 seatpost and a tapered headtube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artnshel View Post
    I'm interested in your bike, thanks for posting it here.Have you owned ti before, were you looking for stiffness or comfort?
    I may become a customer too as I've been looking for used ti frames to stay near $1000 but can't find what I'm looking for.
    Can they do butted main tubes? I don't want an overly stiff frame but do want some modern features like 30.9 seatpost and a tapered headtube.
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    Never owned ti before. I was looking for a steel type ride without the weight. They will do a full custom frame. You tell them everything you want and they will work up a geometry drawing, email it to you, you okay it or make changes and then they make your frame. 35 day build time, they send you pics of the frame, you okay them then they mail you the frame. It took about 10-ish days to get to texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeT View Post
    Looks as pretty as any boutique builder's Ti frame (and I have two). For what it's worth, my wife has a Habanero Ti cyclocross bike (made in China) and it is very very nice -- I'd happily ride it (if it fit). I think this will work out great for you.
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    Looks as pretty as any boutique builder's Ti frame (and I have two). For what it's worth, my wife has a Habanero Ti cyclocross bike (made in China) and it is very very nice -- I'd happily ride it (if it fit). I think this will work out great for you.
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    I was leaning towards a carbon frame for my next build, but after seeing your Ti frame, I'm having seconds thought...

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    nice frame!

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    Nice frame and build. One thing I noticed was that the rear derailleur hanger seems to be part of the drop out and non-replaceable. Is this correct? I took a look on aliexpress/alibaba and they all seemed like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reshp1 View Post
    One thing I noticed was that the rear derailleur hanger seems to be part of the drop out and non-replaceable. Is this correct?
    It's replaceable

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    ^ They are right, it's replaceable. I ordered two extra hangers with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    ^ They are right, it's replaceable. I ordered two extra hangers with it.
    Oh duh, it says so right in your first post.
    Thanks for confirming.

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    Very nice Lenny ,congratulations! I have been eyeballing the new ti GT xizang 29'r but after seeing you had one custom made for the money you spent,must re-evaluate my plan

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    Quote Originally Posted by VChuck View Post
    Very nice Lenny ,congratulations! I have been eyeballing the new ti GT xizang 29'r but after seeing you had one custom made for the money you spent,must re-evaluate my plan
    The frame seems top notch. If you have $4 G's burning a hole in your wallet, get a Moots if not this is a solid(cheap) route to go.

    I should be getting a ride report in the next week or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    The frame seems top notch. If you have $4 G's burning a hole in your wallet, get a Moots if not this is a solid(cheap) route to go.

    I should be getting a ride report in the next week or so.
    if I had 4 G's I would go to the fareast and see relatives,get better job! Heh!
    Nope ,I like your modus operendi (cheap)
    keep us updated,Lenny.
    let us know how she rides!

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    Damn good looking bike. Very interested in the ride report. I'd love to give a Ti frame a try someday, this might be the ticket.
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    Lovely that.... nice work.

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    Still waiting for a review of the ride......c'mon, let us know what the lowdown is on this baby.........
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    Dude, I wish. I"m 9 weeks out from my second shoulder surgery in 6 months. Doc said he'll clear me to ride trails on the 12th of this month. After everthing I've been throught with my shoulder, I'm doing everything he says. I'll keep you posted.

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    Damn Lenny,take care of that shoulder, hope that you make a quick recovery.then "LET US KNOW HOW SHE RIDES!!!"Heh

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    I asked them for a short CS frame - wouldn't do it

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    Chinese builders like the 17.5 stays or longer ...

    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post
    I asked them for a short CS frame - wouldn't do it
    A year and a half ago when I was looking for a Ti 29er that was one of my requirements. Exchanged emails with 2 or 3 Chinese Ti frame makers. All seemed to make chainstays around 17.5 to 17.75 inches. Anything custom was fine, except chainstays had to be that range.

    Carver bikes was able to get about 17 3/8 inches, but then I was no longer dealing directly with the builder.

    Ended up going with a Russian Ti frame builder who was able to make my stays 436mm or about 17 1/8 inches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post
    I asked them for a short CS frame - wouldn't do it
    I got mine from Kona
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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw View Post
    No offense.. just musing. When I look at this bike, my first reaction is this frame exemplifies everything that is wrong with America... sure, its an OK looking bike... front end geometry and long head tube seem incorrect to me and there seems to be no rear tire clearance... but who can complain when getting a titanium frame for $900, other than the American frame builder barely making it because he is beign undermined by slave wages being paid in a communist country... Oh well, As I head out for my memorial day ride thinking about the sacrifices that soldiers have made for our freedom while riding on my Made in the USA titanium frame, I won't be having regrets for spending a few extra hundred bucks for higher quality and supporting my fellow country man... but thats just me.. others value the almighty buck more... good for them.
    SIR. YOU are whats wrong with AMERICA!. don't blame the "slaves" , Blame American company's who gives them our jobs.
    Soldiers ( my father being one) go blow sheeit up ,In those Countries following our countries anti-everything-not-capitalist-agenda.
    so they can set up factories to sell us back stuff we use to make in the 1st place.
    i.e. American rules of origin state the the For the MADE IN AMERICA sticker to be on a product such as bikes, it does not matter if they were made here only as final steps of manufacture were made here as in MANUFACTURED IN CHINA,ASSEMBLED IN THE STATES .one such example are some Cannnodale, felt , trek, bikes
    so unless you'r "FREEDOM" bike was made at a garage in Colorado my dear SIR. It might not be so free after all.
    China / india BTW supplies most of our Titanium, steel , aluminum-carbon -rare earths etc. which drive prices we have to pay trhu the roof and keeps us undermined by slave wages.
    as our capitalist reserves are busy being free to us underground
    in case you're wondering , i was laid off, along with 400 others as the company operations moved overseas , month later the owner who is a congressman (not gonna say the name) bought a 2 mill yatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoreni View Post
    A year and a half ago when I was looking for a Ti 29er that was one of my requirements. Exchanged emails with 2 or 3 Chinese Ti frame makers. All seemed to make chainstays around 17.5 to 17.75 inches. Anything custom was fine, except chainstays had to be that range.

    Carver bikes was able to get about 17 3/8 inches, but then I was no longer dealing directly with the builder.

    Ended up going with a Russian Ti frame builder who was able to make my stays 436mm or about 17 1/8 inches.
    Thanks for that. Who is the Russian builder you used?

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    I got mine from Kona
    Is that a custom build? Didn't know Kona did that sort of thing

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    Russian Builder

    My Russian builder is called Triton.

    If you do a search for Triton on MTBR's site, he has a few threads show up (one being my frame). A couple are in the 29er section and he has his own thread he started in the Bike and Frame boards. He also has a website, but it is not maintained regularly.

    I believe he has built 29ers with 16 3/4 inch chainstays. He will build anything you want, full custom. Price, slightly more than the Chinese builders.

    Only negative is that it is taking hime 5-6 months to do frames.


    Is that Kona a Lynskey made Raijin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post
    Is that a custom build? Didn't know Kona did that sort of thing
    Nope... it's a 2012-1/2 Raijin... production frame.
    Kona likes Ti and has put out Ti frames made by Sandvik (I think) and Lynskey periodically over the years. My frame was made by Lynskey.
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    Twice as much ....

    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Nope... it's a 2012-1/2 Raijin... production frame.
    Kona likes Ti and has put out Ti frames made by Sandvik (I think) and Lynskey periodically over the years. My frame was made by Lynskey.
    The Kona Raijin is going to be over twice as much as the China Ti frame in this thread. Only thing it has in common are the Chinese ti tubing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoreni View Post
    The Kona Raijin is going to be over twice as much as the China Ti frame in this thread.
    cool story, bro.
    short chainstays came up, and since the chinese mfr won't do it, i told him where I got my short CS frame.
    we all know you love your Triton, and that may be a good option too. For me personally, it looks incredibly stiff, which is not what I was looking for in a Ti frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoreni View Post
    Only thing it has in common are the Chinese ti tubing.
    I'm not sure about the Lyskey Ti sourcing, but you are right... and the difference in CS length is why it came up in the first place.
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    Be mindful that if they are using sliding dropouts they may be talking maximum chainstay.
    My Blacksheep has maximum chainstay of 17.71"
    Useable chainstay of approx 16.9".
    Minimum chainstay of approx 16.1".

    You may be losing something in translation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Be mindful that if they are using sliding dropouts they may be talking maximum chainstay.
    My Blacksheep has maximum chainstay of 17.71"
    Useable chainstay of approx 16.9".
    Minimum chainstay of approx 16.1".

    You may be losing something in translation.
    Not following... how can "maximum" be longer than "useable"? Maybe I'm not understanding.
    For bikes with sliders and track ends, the minimum seems to be what shows up in geo charts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post

    I'm not sure about the Lyskey Ti sourcing, but you are right... and the difference in CS length is why it came up in the first place.
    "As to the raw materials; did you know that everybody's starter materials (tube hollows) come from either Russia or China. Yes that includes Sandvick, Haynes, Wolverine, and Reynolds. Yes the tubes that these companies create using Chinese and Russian raw materials do in fact go to aerospace/defense use as well as bicycle frames (including ours)." - Mark Lynskey
    source: Weight Weenies • View topic - How light can a Ti hardtail frame be?
    About the 6th post down.

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    What is that "join" on the right seat stay? Scroll down to the big pictures toward the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Not following... how can "maximum" be longer than "useable"? Maybe I'm not understanding.
    For bikes with sliders and track ends, the minimum seems to be what shows up in geo charts.
    Sorry, now I am being lost in translation and thinking about it further I have confused myself.
    I guess the main thing I am trying to say is that with sliders there will be a level of adjustability of CS length which may allow the adjustment needed but that the Chinese are only providing the one figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    "As to the raw materials; did you know that everybody's starter materials (tube hollows) come from either Russia or China. Yes that includes Sandvick, Haynes, Wolverine, and Reynolds. Yes the tubes that these companies create using Chinese and Russian raw materials do in fact go to aerospace/defense use as well as bicycle frames (including ours)." - Mark Lynskey
    source: Weight Weenies • View topic - How light can a Ti hardtail frame be?
    About the 6th post down.
    thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    What is that "join" on the right seat stay? Scroll down to the big pictures toward the bottom.
    Lenny, it's so you can run a belt drive instead of traditional chain...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cycljunkie View Post
    Lenny, it's so you can run a belt drive instead of traditional chain...
    Oh, thanks.

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    Now things are starting to settle down, I'll chime in. Nice lookin bike! Congrats!
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    keep your off topic opinions to yourself, and quit whining about neg rep dooosh -signed "gutless person"
    If you want to debate, do it where I can debate with you.
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    Looks nice, just not a big fan of chinese frames

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    I agree, looks great and if it meets your ride expectations, it's a fantastic deal.
    If more owners chime in with positive reviews, I would consider placing an order.

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    Where do you get the specs to send to the manufacturer? Are you just sending pictures and working from there?

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    Well, finally my first ride report... sort of. It's my first ride in almost 9 months. In the last 6 months I had two shoulder surgeries. So, I went out for pretty easy ride. No big climbs or super technical ridding. I'm gonna ease into it and get my confidence back.

    Anyway, Ride started out great but about 5 min in I notice the back end felt like a noodle. I stop to check things out... lose rear skewer. Tightened that back up and to went on. Bike fits me pretty well geo felt great. In the corners it felt as stiff as a ti frame is expected to feel. Had great acceleration and felt very responsive. During some of the rocky sections I noticed quite a bit less chatter than my aluminum frame. Looking forward to some long rides. About 4 miles in the rear started feeling noodly again. Stopped, thinking skewer again, but I had a low tire. I was about a mile from the car so I used my only co2 to air it up, thinking/hoping it would make it to the car. Seemed like a slow leak... nope. Went totally flat. Had a tube but used my only co2. So, first ride in 8 months I flatted and had to walk a mile back to the car. Now that's taking the piss.
    Like I said it will still be a few weeks before I feel stong/confident enough to really take her through the paces but I very happy with it so far.




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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    thanks.
    was the Raijin a limited production? I dont see it on their website. If the chainstays are short and the price is right, this may be a great bike!!

    Plus, I've always loved Kona!!
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    My shoulder is getting better and had my first ride on a "real" trail today. Lots of climbing, sand, loose rocks, lots of roots. I was very pleased with how it performed. Felt stiff and efficient on the climbs with no discernible flex in the rear triangle. Was able to stay seated and motor up the hills.
    There were several very rough/rooted descents. Even with my bad lines it decended with confidence.
    Very reponsive and maneuvers easily in tight spaces.
    I've had a full suspension 26er, aluminum hardtail 29er and 26er and this is, for me, the best of both worlds. More efficient than my FS and MUCH smoother than my aluminum HT. If you've wanted a Ti frame but can't/don't want to spend 3k, this is a solid way to go. The durability is yet to be seen of course but so far... so go.
    I’m a long way from a professional reviewer so if you have any specific questions let me know.

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    Thanks for the followup review Lenny,nice bike you got there!

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    Congrats on being closer to being healed

    ...and on getting to ride such a sweet-looking bike.

    I have a steel 29er, an alu, and a carbon one. I'm looking at one of these to feed the addiction. I'm currently taking measurements and notes on what I like about those other bikes to try to "cobble together" the frame layout that I want them to construct. Or should I shoot for numbers close to what my "favorite" bike has? I haven't bought a bike off the shelf in nearly 20 years, so I'm not completely in the dark. I just feel like I am.

    What's the benefit of short CS? Climbing, theoretically, I'd guess, but is there anything else? Also, I've ONLY ridden rigid since the mid-eighties (yup, I'm old); so does anyone/do you have any suggestions on fork length/material? Are they able to make the headtube so that it accepts integrated headsets? If so, the answer to my previous question ought to work itself out pretty easily. Suggestions/misgivings about a carbon wheelset? I mean, is it just a bike, except made of Ti?

    I'd really welcome suggestions and/or information that anyone that rides Ti can give me.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasnavy05 View Post
    was the Raijin a limited production? I dont see it on their website. If the chainstays are short and the price is right, this may be a great bike!!

    Plus, I've always loved Kona!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by texasnavy05 View Post
    was the Raijin a limited production? I dont see it on their website. If the chainstays are short and the price is right, this may be a great bike!!

    Plus, I've always loved Kona!!
    The (first and only) company I contacted does custom geometry. You send them the info of what you want, and they will send you a CAD of what you told them. It's pretty cool. I've been trying to cobble together what I want, and I've been going through it with them. They will make the CS as short as you want it as long as you can still fit the tire. The rep is VERY helpful - even through my indecision. I think I've been through 3 revisions of 2 prospective frame designs. They offer one with a sliding dropout, custom, w/ the same meas/geo as the other frame, for the exact same price.

    Anyone have anything that I need to take into account in my geometry? I plan to ask some local guys, and to try to narrow down the "best of" my 3 29ers to tweak this Ti frame into something beyond special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expostdelirium View Post
    ...and on getting to ride such a sweet-looking bike.

    I have a steel 29er, an alu, and a carbon one. I'm looking at one of these to feed the addiction. I'm currently taking measurements and notes on what I like about those other bikes to try to "cobble together" the frame layout that I want them to construct. Or should I shoot for numbers close to what my "favorite" bike has? I haven't bought a bike off the shelf in nearly 20 years, so I'm not completely in the dark. I just feel like I am.

    What's the benefit of short CS? Climbing, theoretically, I'd guess, but is there anything else? Also, I've ONLY ridden rigid since the mid-eighties (yup, I'm old); so does anyone/do you have any suggestions on fork length/material? Are they able to make the headtube so that it accepts integrated headsets? If so, the answer to my previous question ought to work itself out pretty easily. Suggestions/misgivings about a carbon wheelset? I mean, is it just a bike, except made of Ti?

    I'd really welcome suggestions and/or information that anyone that rides Ti can give me.

    Thanks.
    About CS...standard short about 440-445 is about right IMO....unless you want more traction on standing climbing, or you want the loft the front wheel easily. Then you y want it shorter. This isn't taking into account unusual saddle positions or body dimensions though. Remember that it is harder to get clearance from Ti compared to a steel frame due to tube diameters, so think about your prefered tyre width carefully. Personally, I'd go 73mm BB, sliders and try for a 2.3 tyre clearance. What kind of bike is it? Fully geared/SS/race xc/trail?

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    My short chainstay chinese ti frame

    68.5 Ha
    74 SA
    415 m"m chainstay
    120 m"m travel
    very pleased with the outcome. XACD build it according to my specification = geo+design.

    very aggressive AM rig
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    ^ Which company made your frame Guyg? (Just what I'm after)

    Edit: Oops, should have read that a bit more carefully to start with...

    How long was your wait time, and what is tyre clearance like?

    And is it still Porter you deal with, how did this go?

    Cheers, sorry for the bombardment
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    That is VERY nice. Again, interested in tyre clearance?

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    Tire clearance 2.35

    I've installed the hans dampf 2.35 with no issues. running now ardent 2.25 with lots more of clearance

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    nice looking frame....any ride reports? Curios if you find it flexy or solid.

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    about you say this :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post
    ^ Which company made your frame Guyg? (Just what I'm after)

    Edit: Oops, should have read that a bit more carefully to start with...

    How long was your wait time, and what is tyre clearance like?

    And is it still Porter you deal with, how did this go?

    Cheers, sorry for the bombardment
    I have waited for 4 weeks, but every monday porter got a mail from me asking how things are advancing. the clearance is 2.35 with no issues.
    he was very cooperative and done a realy good job.
    The bikes rides very very good. climbs like a Mgoat and descends/rails like a Rcoaster.
    It weigh alot for a ti frame - 2.1 Kg but thats because the 30.9 seat tube, thickend chainstay and down tube (1.2 m"m instead of 0.9 ) and all the extra gussets in the BB area.
    I'm not a weight weenie so I realy dont mind the extra heft.

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    Thanks for the reply.

    So, the actual build took 4 weeks? I was really wondering on total time from initial contact to end of build, sometimes called a 'build time' Many builders are ~6 months

    Great looking bike (and great looking Prime btw )

    Edited for clarity
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    Nice looking ride!

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    The structure and design

    Quote Originally Posted by finch2 View Post
    nice looking frame....any ride reports? Curios if you find it flexy or solid.
    makes a very solid frame. the relatively small F&R triangles plus thw top tube reinforcement and rhe BB gussets make the frame rigid. I also use a 10 m"m qr rear axle so there is no flex at all.

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    Total time

    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post
    Thanks for the reply.

    So, the actual build took 4 weeks? I was really wondering on total time from initial contact to end of build, sometimes called a 'build time' Many builders are ~6 months

    Great looking bike (and great looking Prime btw )

    Edited for clarity
    2 weeks for the design and final price
    4 weeks to build
    1 week for shipping.
    less than 2 mobth total.
    Thanks for the comp and the prime is by far the best full suspension am rig that i've ridden. (starting in 97 and ridden mainly Intense - Uzzi sl to slopestyle). The production frame will be awsome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyg View Post
    2 weeks for the design and final price
    4 weeks to build
    1 week for shipping.
    less than 2 mobth total.
    Thanks for the comp and the prime is by far the best full suspension am rig that i've ridden. (starting in 97 and ridden mainly Intense - Uzzi sl to slopestyle). The production frame will be awsome.
    Brilliant stuff. Have you a copy of your CAD/drawing (if indeed you had one) you could post up?

    The BB looks (to my not very trained eye) low - which I like btw. Must make for a very stable feel

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    thanks.... 315 m"m for the BB height. here is the full spec

    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post
    Brilliant stuff. Have you a copy of your CAD/drawing (if indeed you had one) you could post up?

    The BB looks (to my not very trained eye) low - which I like btw. Must make for a very stable feel
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    Quote Originally Posted by some redneck who was too ashamed to post this in the thread, so used it to post anonymous rep
    The racist thing is nauseating. Because someone does not support a country's ethics or work standards does not make then racist. You are using the race card as a crutch to avoid the facts just like so many blacks do in this country.
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    Nice frame .....

    @ GUYG

    That is one sweet looking frame. I am really impressed by your frame's design, especially around the bottom bracket area. Glad to see Chinese ti frame makers are doing short-stay 29ers. If the demand is there, they will build it.

    Curious, can you give an idea on how much you paid?

    Last, this frame deserves it own thread.

    Again, sweet looking frame!
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    thanks
    the price was less than a grand.

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    Ti inbound...

    Quote Originally Posted by finch2 View Post
    About CS...standard short about 440-445 is about right IMO....unless you want more traction on standing climbing, or you want the loft the front wheel easily. Then you y want it shorter. This isn't taking into account unusual saddle positions or body dimensions though. Remember that it is harder to get clearance from Ti compared to a steel frame due to tube diameters, so think about your prefered tyre width carefully. Personally, I'd go 73mm BB, sliders and try for a 2.3 tyre clearance. What kind of bike is it? Fully geared/SS/race xc/trail?
    I wish I had been back here w/in the last month. I ordered my frame 2 days ago. With the sliding drops I'm in the 440 neighborhood, which is right around where my other bikes are. I didn't take tire clearance into that much consideration, but I don't ride super fat tires anyway. I'm usually 2.1-2.25". I ride wider ones in the front when I need to though. I might've oped for the 73mm BB, had I been more diligent in getting back to find answers that I'd asked. Stupid of me not to. With the geometry that I ordered, it should be toward the AM end of XC. The "tough" trails here have some "high-risk" technical stuff, and they are very hilly. They are often hilly and technical at the same time. I like rolling and flowy stuff, so this might put me in a good place to handle both. If not, there are ways around the stuff the bike or I don't handle well.

    One more thing:

    I'm sort of old-school (so why am I on a Ti?), so I still ride rigid 29ers, and I'm building this as a rigid as well. The question is: Is there anyone around here that rides a carbon fork on their Ti, or that has ever? If so, what finish? I like my carbon forks, but I would also listen to suggestions of other materials. I'd like to know the benefit of other types of forks as well.
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    You bike looks awesome, super stiff.

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    Man, I really dig the looks of titanium bikes. Those are looking sweet, no matter where they were made.
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    Looks sweet!

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    I just ordered mine hopefully in time for chistmas delivery. I'll post the final drawing when I get it. There were lots of decisions up to this point, now the biggest one is what I'll put on the down tube.
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    ok, silly question: What does the "Chinese" mean in the context of carbon fiber frames?

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    It refers to the country of origin and can also denote that there is no brand or marketing function. You are buying directly from a manufacturer.
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    Got mine a month ago or so, waited on some Chinese-sourced carbon parts from 3 different countries, and after having it all arrive the day after Thanksgiving, it is built. Only thing not Sino-sourced would be the tires and the cranks. I already had both of those things, or I might've ordered them in as well.

    I've ridden it the last 2 days, and I must say that the fear of too much flex or any other fears have been quickly and quietly put to bed. I will have another one before long. Thinking of a cruiser-type one (I think you know the model I'm talking about), or a fatbike. Why not both?

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    which builder did you use?

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    Looks great!

    Tapered head tube?

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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan GSR View Post
    Ok, so lets get some more info on this!

    Where did you order from? and how was your experience with them? exactly just how detailed did you have to be to get it done correctly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BacDoc View Post

    Tapered head tube?
    yes 44/56 zero stack

    Quote Originally Posted by FLMike View Post
    Ok, so lets get some more info on this!

    Where did you order from? and how was your experience with them? exactly just how detailed did you have to be to get it done correctly?
    xacd made the frame
    took 7 revisions of the frame drawing to get it just right
    412mm ( 16.2" ) chain stays
    the frame is beautiful
    the only problem, one that ive read others complain about, my seat post diameter is WAY off

    supposed to be 27.2
    and my post just flops around in there, it is closer to 27.4 according to my calipers
    i was able to take up the extra space with a soda can shim
    but i wish i didn't have to do that
    i built it up tonight, it is 95% done
    i just have to install the star nut on the fork, and install a new front brake hose

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    What kind of geo did you go for? How big of tire clearance are you getting? Why no dropper post friendly seat tube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    What kind of geo did you go for? How big of tire clearance are you getting? Why no dropper post friendly seat tube?
    68.5 degree headtube angle built around a 120mm tower pro fork
    right now i have a 2.25 racing ralph on there, but looks like i might be able to fit a 2.35
    here is my final drawing


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    Sorry to ask all these questions, and maybe it's been posted before, how much does such a frame like this cost? TIA.

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    i paid $1500 shipped

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    PM, and I can get the drawing to you. I feel kind of dirty posting the thing here.

    I paid 750ish (inc shipping and PP fees) and got a bunch of other stuff w/ it (headset, extra sliding drops, post clamp). It was a great deal. I've been informed that they can't make the frame I'm wanting, but I've found another company. Now, all I have to do is get the rep from that new company to quit arguing the fine points of the difference between 700c and 29er, I might be able to get somewhere and buy a frame.

    I have a tapered, no-stack head tube. Straight downtube, and 27.2 (dead-on) straight seatpost (at 73). Sliding drops 390 to 440 (or some such, 435 avg I think) which can be split to run belt-drive, and I can slide the wheel so far forward that I can't get my finger between the tire and the post. I went with a slack (for me) 70 (I think) HTA. It seems like the front tire is kind of gyroscopic, and wants to "right" itself when I turn. That said, it doesn't handly poorly, esp at speed. It feels like my other bikes. The gyroscopic feeling is only notable at low-speed. I have a rigid carbon fork on it ($111 shipped), and SIXC cranks that I'm running 1x9 w/ SRAM X-0 twisties. Carbon bar, stem, post, Elixir 7, Chinese carbon wheels w/ SB8 and Spec FastTraks. Pretty light, and pretty stiff. Ordering an "alternative" belt-drive next week, and going single for awhile. I still have my carbon 29er that I can ride when I have this single-speed.

    When I get a some good pics, I'll post them.

    In the meantime here is the driveside drop w/ the split. There's a bolt in the end of it to keep it together.


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    wow that is fantastic, it took me a few minutes to figure out how it broke apart!

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    390????
    i need pics NOW
    especially seat tube and bottom bracket area

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    Looks very nice!

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    looks very nice!

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    In for pics as well. 390 sounds crazy.

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    I would be very interested in how you feel the stiffness of the BB area is Expost....I am considering a frame along these lines but I'm not sure how it'll feel.

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    first ride, AMAZING
    full review coming soon


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    I'd read above (or somewhere) that these frames were feeling a bit flexy. I haven't experience ANY of it. I don't feel any pedal bob, or any other fort of flex.

    Where are people getting 390, and what are you all referring to?

    Didn't have a chance to stop and take trailside pics last weekend. Actually never thought of it. I'll try to make it happen another time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by expostdelirium View Post
    I'd read above (or somewhere) that these frames were feeling a bit flexy. I haven't experience ANY of it. I don't feel any pedal bob, or any other fort of flex.

    Where are people getting 390, and what are you all referring to?

    Didn't have a chance to stop and take trailside pics last weekend. Actually never thought of it. I'll try to make it happen another time.

    https://i.imgur.com/kTM3D.jpg
    Theyre referring to one of the aforementioned frames with sliding dropouts, the minimum chainstay distance..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLMike View Post
    Theyre referring to one of the aforementioned frames with sliding dropouts, the minimum chainstay distance..
    yup, and there is no way that is a 390mm stay
    more like 435mm minimum
    straight seat tube is a dead giveaway

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    Wow!!!!! I should've read before I posted a question about my own post (embarrassed). I should've measured properly the first time to avoid this as well. Sorry guys/ladies.

    430 by this measurement, and the tape is off the back of the skewer on the rear.



    Looks like I could move it forward another 7-10mm until that bolt "fronts out" (as opposed to "bottoms out"), so I might be around 420ish w/ the effort.



    The tire would be quite nearly touching the seatpost, but I could get it under 430. No 16.2", but not bad...I guess. But yeah, 390?! Ridiculous. Again, I apologize.

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    Crickets, huh? I was wondering.

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    Sweet looking bike

    That's a sweet looking bike. For that kind of money you can't go wrong. Enjoy her and make sure she gets her exercise.

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    belt drive

    Inbound belt-drive!



    New cranks inbound tomorrow. I'll bolt the "ring" from this to the new cranks so that I can swap between geared and SS/belt quickly.

    So, how's it work? I don't know. I'll post it here when I find out.
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    On its way!

    On the way from Xi'an Titan Product and should be here next week!
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    Looks great, what are your specs?

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    I hope I like what I asked for.

    I got help on the geometry from Walt Werner of Waltworks and then tweaked that a bit.
    I'll use a Fox 34 fork set at 120 so the assumed fork length was with sag.
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    Needed a larger cog on the rear of the non-Gates belt drive. Went out and got that handled today. Probably take the machinist a few days to get to it. After that I will be able to sell rings and cogs that will allow folks to try belt drive more reasonably. Can wait to get it bolted up and tried out.

    Send a pm if you are interested in finding out more. I'm still in the early stages but I will tell you what I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    Oh, handlebar. It's a ti bar from the same company. $80 I think. I think I need to cut it down a little. Does anyone know if cutting ti is any different than anyother type of material?
    You will likely have to work harder than if it were steel or alum especially. The initial mark is hard to make and you will want to be steady armed making it, so as not to mar the finish. Some people will use duct or gorilla tape to avoid slip marks at the start.

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    Any bigger geometry chart with measurements for scale?

    Thanks for sharing your frame and build with us Lenny. I was also looking at this frame maker and it's nice to see someone benefit from it. I was also looking at the geometry drawing, but can't make out the scale of it because of the size. Would you be kind enough to share a full size version of it with me either on this forum or via email? Cheers.

    PS Your choice of the thomson elite stem in alloy with the ti headset is spot on. Very pure looking to match the lack of branding on the frame. I was lucky enough to score XTR m985 front/rear derailers and shifters all for 200 dollars used from a guy at the bike shop I work at...I was like a kid on christmas with his first red bike. Sharing your frame geometry would help me continue that trend with a few modifications based on my effective top-tube and stand-over measurements.

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    Rise. rise up and walk, er, ride!

    i'm trying to lazarus this thing, and here's why:

    I got my Ti frame from Waltly coming up on 6 years ago, and I love this bike more than any other bike I've had or have ridden for any amount of time.

    Just recently I got a great deal on a carbon 50mm ext/45mm int 29er plus on Hope Pro 2 Evo hubs. I'm not a brand snob, and I know they are "older" but the deal was too good to pass up. They are 100x15 TA and 142x12 TA, but came with adapters that allow me to rin them up front as QR, and the other to set them up Boost. I ordered the conversion kit to be able to run the rear QR as well. i also got the Boostinator kit as well, just in case.

    I had convinced myself that I would not be able to fit a 2.4" tire into the rear on this frame. I'd already had the 2.4 on the front and it fit fine. So in the course of waiting for my parts to come, I started looking for Chinese frames as I am no stranger to them, and they've always been good to me. I had the worst time trying to find a frame that would fit a 2.4 without having to buy a Chinese carbon version of the Stache w/ the raised stays. Waltly was completely unresponsive when I contacted them, and I'm not sure why. My parts came in yesterday so I swapped the ends and put the rear wheel in place, and there is TONS of room! These Ground Controls are nominally 2.4, but measure 2.6, and they fit! My plan is to get some 142x12 thru-axle dropout so I can put the wheels how they "should be", and I'm unsure if I want to upgrade the fork or not. If I keep it as-is, with no TA sliding drops, I can just swap wheels as I wish.

    I need to do some adjustment, but I can move the sliders forward a bit if i want to, and with the money I've saved on not having to buy a new frame, I will be doing some other upgrades in the near future. I have an X-9 shifter w/ a rear derailleur w/ clutch sitting around, and I'll probably buy new carbon cranks as well. For $750 this frame, in the dimensions I ordered, with the ability to run belt-drive, regular 29, as well as 29+, with minimal fuss is incredible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by expostdelirium View Post
    These Ground Controls are nominally 2.4, but measure 2.6, and they fit! My plan is to get some 142x12 thru-axle dropout so I can put the wheels how they "should be", and I'm unsure if I want to upgrade the fork or not. If I keep it as-is, with no TA sliding drops, I can just swap wheels as I wish.

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    Shame on me, but I have some PMW sliders, thru axle (shimano e-thru style) listed on ebay at the moment. Never used, bought as spares, but then sold my soma
    Silly bike things happening.

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