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    Love slack angles. Love hardtails. Hate boat anchors. XC options?

    Hey all. Been out of the loop for a bit and was wondering if there are slaked XC options now besides the Whyte 929 for instance. Love slack angles but these all seem to be attached to weighty all mountain frames which I really don't need.

    Many options? Like Honzos, TransAms etc but they're just too heavy.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Titus Fireline when available in July. This is Ti so should handle weight.
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    Re: Love slack angles. Love hardtails. Hate boat anchors. XC options?

    How about the Kona Taro? The stock build is heavy, but you could probably order the frame only.

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    I suspect that most any current carbon 100 mm xc hard tail would suit you, if equipped with a 120 mm fork. Just choose one with a low-ish bottom bracket, so handling stays reasonable when you lift the front.

    I've still got an original Superfly hard tail that was designed around an 80 mm fork, and it rides just right for me at 100 mm (the little bit that I actually ride a hard tail). The change was very noticeable.
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    I was going to ask this same question, but I also know that the carbon bikes would probably fit the bill, however, I'm a heavy rider and I'd be worried about breaking frames.
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    The Whyte gets great reviews whats your problem with it?

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    I actually love the Whyte. Think its one of the more forward thinking designs at the moment. Just thought there might be more options now that slack is starting to pick up momentum as a 'non hardcore' idea.

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    The Whyte gets great reviews whats your problem with it?
    From my point of view getting one (all sold?) and specifically they don't do frame only.

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    Love slack angles. Love hardtails. Hate boat anchors. XC options?

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    Yelli Screamy..
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    Trek Stache?

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    Re: Love slack angles. Love hardtails. Hate boat anchors. XC options?

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    Yelli Screamy..


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    Love my 929, though due to back problem I back on a FS atm. I've not tried any of the std 29er geo bikes to compare it with though. I tried the 729, was sold & ordered the 929 blind. The only way to get one, as they seeming sold out before even reaching a showroom floor. I can't say it feels particular slack, not compare to my similarly angled prophet, but it inspired me with confidence & out climbs my legs with the 1x10 gearing, though I'm happier with the more forgiving sloppy (waggling around) climbing technic you can adopt (on slack bikes). Being able to change the CS length is definitely an education in how even small (5mm approx) steps makes a big change to the feel. Cracking bike & got me wanting a similar FS..
    When i was looking, i considered the genesis high latitude, but couldn't get a demo (i hear good reports of it since), though it probably falls into the 'weighty-ish' class. The Taro looked good but I didn't like the spec & isn't available frame only (in the UK). The yelli isn't cheap and wasn't available when I wanted the bike, but is a pretty chunky frame (for the OP). The ragley bigwig has appeared since I was looking, but again is a steel frame so may not suit. Also as mentioned the trek stache gets lots of recommendations.
    Have you looked at the whyte 5/6/729 bikes with a eye to upgrading what you dont like? Or even running a they are, as the 729 was my next choice when I bought, the 'ride' convinced me I needed one.
    I wonder if there's any chance that they bring in 2014 929's early too? (Like the t-129)

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    First gen Canfield Nimble 9 is a lighter steel frame if you like the feel of steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    +2...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    First gen Canfield Nimble 9 is a lighter steel frame if you like the feel of steel.
    There was a rumor posted the other day that they're coming back with the Gen 1 frame as a separate model, maybe even a carbon version? The Bros aren't shy about filling a niche, so there could be truth in it.

    The Chromag Rootdown looks like it would be fairly light too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshM View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    I was going to ask this same question, but I also know that the carbon bikes would probably fit the bill, however, I'm a heavy rider and I'd be worried about breaking frames.
    Carbon frames can support weight better than aluminum. They just don't like to be flung hard across the rocks.

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    The frame is ~20% of the weight of your bike, ~2-3% of you+your bike+your clothes and gear. Get the geometry you want, put some reasonably light parts on there, and throw away your scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluster_tolerance View Post
    + 68/16.7
    Nice.

    And what Walt said. A pound or two shouldn't deter you from a frame that otherwise suits your needs.

    If it's not steel your after for other reasons... then Yelli. Also consider the Banshee Paradox.

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    Rootdown is lovely but not terribly light, med frame is 6.2ish. Gen 1 N9 is the lightest in the steels so far, my small is under 5. The lightest regardless of frame material so far that I could find is the Carver Ti 420 sub 4.

    As an aside I really do hope they bring the Gen 1 N9's back they are fantastic as is.

    I should also note that I defer to the obvious experts re weight, ultimately frame weight is not the end all. Though I do notice a pound or two particularly in certain areas like forks and wheels (rims, tires.)

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    Kona Raijin? Sort of slack and sort of short chain stays. Sort of expensive too though.
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    26.6lb, without going downtown, med frame is 1900g (4.18lb)

    https://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7806/taro022.jpg
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    @Haggis - Thats a great looking build! Those Kona frames are awesome looking, I'm glad they've stuck with the new clean lines... Hows the ride?

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    pivot les might suit

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    Another vote for Yelli Screamy... Been awhile since I had my frame in my hands but it was NOT what I would consider heavy. Around 4 pounds and capable of ANYTHING

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    Love slack angles. Love hardtails. Hate boat anchors. XC options?

    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    @Haggis - Thats a great looking build! Those Kona frames are awesome looking, I'm glad they've stuck with the new clean lines... Hows the ride?
    Took a while to get used to a hard tail again. Taken it everywhere I ride my ReignX, and its well suited to long road miles, so I'm happy with it. Rode a Stumpy FSR 29 last weekend, and the extra 31mm of chain stay was immediately noticeable... Taro handles much quicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmoo View Post
    Trek Stache?
    Ya, I have a Stache, it should fit the bill. It has a 12x142 rear axle - which is still not universally standard on hard tails these days, but is pretty cool. Also tabs for a chain guide if that's your thing. I don't think the stock builds are super light, but that's nothing that dollars won't cure.

    It is a fun bike to ride

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    17 months later...... Hope he's got a bike by now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaBass_ View Post
    17 months later...... Hope he's got a bike by now!
    Hey, what do you know, they have dates on these things now ;-) D'oh. Nevermind the rookie over here.

    Although in fairness, I've been shopping for a bike for a good 6 months - can't make up my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p1nhead View Post
    Hey, what do you know, they have dates on these things now ;-) D'oh. Nevermind the rookie over here.

    Although in fairness, I've been shopping for a bike for a good 6 months - can't make up my mind.
    I've had my first gen Nimble 9 SS for a few years now and have been happy with that.
    Had a blinged out Mukluk too but sold that and picked up a used Krampus then fitted a Float 34 on it. It's a fun bike but a bit heavy.

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    Specialized released a new version of their Stumpjumper HT Evo this year w/ 120mm pike, wide rims and 1x10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finch2 View Post
    pivot les might suit
    +100000000000! Light, stiff and room in the back for 2.8 tire on 35mm rim. With 120mm fork, it has just over 68* HA. Just a blast to ride; Reminds me of being a kid on a BMX bike again.
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