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    Lenz Behemoth teaser pics

    I started this build in March of 2010 - 2 yrs ago I didnt know what a bottom bracket, iscg tabs or headsets were
    I built this bike to learn about the bicycle industry as I am intimately familiar with the motorcycle industry - how much different they could be I thought - very different indeed! two wheels & the similarities stop there

    While waiting on my wheels to finish my build - here are some teaser pics....
    I am anxiously waiting to ride this thing to see if it was worth all the trouble & hassles which I will get into later
    If I deem it not worthy I will sell it!













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    nice teaser......would look cool with some of those snow camo MTX33 rims mikesee had.
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    Agreed, it would look good with those snow camo rims! Definitely interested in see the final results.
    I'm thinking about doing a similar 29er FS build project over the next couple years as well.
    "I ride to clear my head, my head is clearer when I'm riding SS. Therefore, I choose to ride SS."~ Fullrange Drew

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    9 months later

    I'll make this short & sweet-
    Will I build a Bimota of the biking world - NO!
    When an originally quoted delivery time turns from 6-10 weeks to 6 months - failure to understand your buisiness is in place
    When an originally quoted 2 week delivery time turns from 2 weeks to 3 months - failure to understand your buisiness is in place

    I purshased a 2000 dollar frame right or wrong on the premise it was Hammerschmitd compatible - I was told it was compatible - It was not! Due to the 150mm rear end spacing of the swingarm. Some custom machining later I was able to mate the HS system to the bike but voiding the warranty on the HS & long term reliability which was one of my main build goals is still out for jury decision

    After 9 months I finally have this bike together. I ordered from just about every major known online dealer & while some were slower shipping than others I had no issues whatsoever - now the frame & wheels.....

    Will I build another bike like this - NO!
    I will buy a complete bike from the LBS

    It rides great & is an absolute hoot to ride - that is somewhat dulled by the absolute pain in the ass it was to get the parts I needed.

    I'll post a thorough ride review once I get some time on it.
    If you want my advice - visit your LBS & just buy a complete bike & RIDE!

    This is my first bike built (& most likely my last) so build critics are welcome





    yeah the HS kicks ass




    I'll try to coherce the GF for some action shots this weekend...


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    looks good.

    building up your own custom bike is usually pretty straightforward. there are plenty of good retailers who are honest about part availability, and get you what you need in a few days max.

    as for being mislead about HS compatibility, that's one of those rare screwups. did you ask on this forum as well prior to the purchase?
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    I think it was the pink cables that jinxed you.
    Only bikes with black cables are Hammerschmidt compatible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morandi
    I think it was the pink cables that jinxed you.
    Only bikes with black cables are Hammerschmidt compatible.

    I chose the Pink Jagwire because I support the boobies - few things in life bring a smile to my face like a nice firm rack!

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    It might have been a pain, but it looks great.

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    About time you got that pos put together. Hope you love it.

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    Just a quick ride report

    I spent at least an hour realizing the increased stiffness of the entire bike reprogramming my brain that I could just make the bike stick in loose corners with no recourse.

    I will not ride a mountain bike without a HS system - period - its that good
    believe the marketing video & forget about the nominal weight or aditional drag in Overdrive
    its "good" weight low & between the axles

    the formula RX brakes are good the organic pads squeal a bit & the levers need more adjustment - have plenty of power & modulation

    the saint deraillur - just works with solid shift changes

    hadley hubs - the whirring from the rear at first had me looking back thinking I had a air leak...
    smooth
    the wheel build with Flow rims is stupid light! very stiff well made - no issues

    WTB prowler tires worked well in my local conditions - happy with them - though I may swap the front for somthing with better side bite

    I need a RS Reverb - !

    the suspension RS air & RP23 - set the sag & go
    going down I feel I'm leaving some on the table with the fork though
    what I really need is a 120-160mm Talas - FOX ARE YOU LISTENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ive rode enough 29er bikes Big S, Niner, Fisher to know this bike really is somthing special.
    It does not feel like a truck, you are not sitting on top,
    It feels like my 26in bike -
    it climbs excellent but the front is easy to loft over stuff
    the bike is very lively

    I think I have succeeded in building what I had envisioned.
    An all Day ALL Mtn bike that is as much fun to go up as go down & works well in the slow technical stuff
    that I can ride all day & explore while riding with a smile on my face without technical issues

    was it worth all the build hassles - NO
    would I build it again - NO
    will I sell it - NO

    1 things I would change with the build

    I would put a taper head tube - for the CC angleset to slack out the steering 1degree also increasing my fork choices

    Ride Well

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    Quote Originally Posted by bionicman
    Ive rode enough 29er bikes Big S, Niner, Fisher to know this bike really is somthing special.
    It seems the Kool Aid has finally sunk in. It is all about the ride. Bummer about the hassles in the build.

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    1. I love that finish. It looks great.
    2. I run my HS cable down the DT. It seems like a straighter shot than what you are doing.
    3. Are you running a 140mm or 120mm fork? The frame will handle either nicely with each having a bit different personality.
    4. Forget the Reverb and get a Gravity Dropper. If your Seat tube is 30.9 ID, they have a very nice 5" drop post now.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    White brothers makes longer travel forks if you're seriously wanting one

    http://www.whitebrotherscycling.com/29er.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    4. Forget the Reverb and get a Gravity Dropper. If your Seat tube is 30.9 ID, they have a very nice 5" drop post now.
    Enel, how easy is the Gravity Dropper to rebuild? I've been avoiding buying a dropper post simply because I don't want ANOTHER "shock" that needs a rebuild every offseason If it's something I could rebuild on my coffee table while watching Sexpo, I mean, Sportscenter, I would go out and buy one today

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX
    Enel, how easy is the Gravity Dropper to rebuild? I've been avoiding buying a dropper post simply because I don't want ANOTHER "shock" that needs a rebuild every offseason If it's something I could rebuild on my coffee table while watching Sexpo, I mean, Sportscenter, I would go out and buy one today
    They have no hydraulics in them and are stupid easy to service. All you have to do is regrease the post and replace the cable occasionally. If you can set up a derailleur, you can do it.

    I have never had to rebuild mine. I do have a few that are getting a little sloppy after a couple years use though. I hear you can send them back to the factory for a full rebuild for about 20 bucks and get them back within 3-5 days. Essentially the turn them around to you in a day.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    It seems the Kool Aid has finally sunk in. It is all about the ride. Bummer about the hassles in the build.

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    1. I love that finish. It looks great.
    2. I run my HS cable down the DT. It seems like a straighter shot than what you are doing.
    3. Are you running a 140mm or 120mm fork? The frame will handle either nicely with each having a bit different personality.
    4. Forget the Reverb and get a Gravity Dropper. If your Seat tube is 30.9 ID, they have a very nice 5" drop post now.
    1 - thanks!
    2 - Note taken I'll take a look at it
    3 - 120 Rock shox Reba RLT Ti - I went that way because of weight (considering both 120 & 140mm forks)& previous experience with RS forks I was happy with - RS also includes a shock pump which is a very nice addition!
    4 - yes 30.9 - I was tired of spending $$ on a bike buying componets that I couldnt ride so maybe once I get some more time on the bike I'll pull the trigger - note taken

    White brothers makes longer travel forks if you're seriously wanting one
    WB seemed to get many bad reviews, more expensive than the RS & much heavier....

    I have not weighed the bike but I would guess I came very close to my build intentions by keeping it as close to 30 pds as possible while keeping reliability & ease of maintinence foremost

    while I have no action shots here is a pic of the bike in its element

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    They have no hydraulics in them and are stupid easy to service. All you have to do is regrease the post and replace the cable occasionally. If you can set up a derailleur, you can do it.

    I have never had to rebuild mine. I do have a few that are getting a little sloppy after a couple years use though. I hear you can send them back to the factory for a full rebuild for about 20 bucks and get them back within 3-5 days. Essentially the turn them around to you in a day.
    I am using the new RS Reverb now since december. I absolutely love it. I still have my gravity dropper and a joplin on different bikes. The Reverb wins. Only thing I would change on it would be to get some goodrich braided hydraulic cable. But this is just my opinion. Awesome build. I have built my last three bikes piece by piece down to every bolt. It is always a major PITA, and every time I do it I say never again. But, I have become so picky if I do buy a bike complete I usually strip it down to get the stuff I like on it. It is a sickness
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    Quote Originally Posted by bionicman
    I chose the Pink Jagwire because I support the boobies - few things in life bring a smile to my face like a nice firm rack!

    So do bra's, and low cut ones bring a smile to my face.

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    I feel your pain in the build process having been through it many years ago. However, I must note that it gets easier with time and more builds, as you learn what does and does not work together. Soon enough you'll be able to search out what you need in a matter of minutes and it'll all work together in Harmony(most of the time).

    Nice bike!

    The one thing I cant stand is having times delayed considerably. I would have gone nuts with your delay times and probably gone w/ a different manufacturer.

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    Nice ride always liked the lenz, thought about one before I rode a niner, it was my very first build and I had delays too but better things come to those who wait, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    They have no hydraulics in them and are stupid easy to service. All you have to do is regrease the post and replace the cable occasionally. If you can set up a derailleur, you can do it.

    I have never had to rebuild mine. I do have a few that are getting a little sloppy after a couple years use though. I hear you can send them back to the factory for a full rebuild for about 20 bucks and get them back within 3-5 days. Essentially the turn them around to you in a day.
    I am using the new RS Reverb now since december. I absolutely love it. I still have my gravity dropper and a joplin on different bikes. The Reverb wins. Only thing I would change on it would be to get some goodrich braided hydraulic cable. But this is just my opinion. Awesome build. I have built my last three bikes piece by piece down to every bolt. It is always a major PITA, and every time I do it I say never again. But, I have become so picky if I do buy a bike complete I usually strip it down to get the stuff I like on it. It is a sickness
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    Wanted to update this old thread with a long term review

    I have been riding this bike about 2-3 times a week since I built it - close to 2 years now many many miles on this bike

    the frame is still in excellent shape, pivots trouble free!

    the bike climbs well if you stay seated & spin away to your legs/lungs content -
    if you stand you'll lose traction

    minimal pedal bob wo propedal ie low speed comp damping
    it is a very playful 29er poppy for a 29er & manuverable - most other 29ers I've rode even the newer rumbelfish has a truck like feel compared to the Behemoth

    I went with a 150mm rear hub but when you really get aggressive & try to slay berms the 29er wheels will flex on you

    air suspension fork & shock are due for some attention, wheels that Larry at mtnhighcyclery are still true & running strong

    hammerschmitd has drag but I just ordered one for my new 2nd bike as I am having trouble with shifting on the power that I've become accustomed to over the last 2 years

    while I was hard on Lenz for the initial build - it was worth it in hindsight as this bike is just getting warmed up & I look forward to many more miles!

    thank you Devin for being years ahead of the industry
    29er & 26 for me that 650b bandwagon will die

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