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    All right, I got a small wad of cash I'm sitting on right now, and I'm kinda sorta maybe thinking about getting a new bike. I thought about a Lenz, but I pretty much have myself talked out of it. My longstanding philosophy (much espoused to my riding compadres) is that for 99% of the time a hardtail is just fine for the trails I ride, and to buy a bike based on 1% of my riding at the expense of added cost, weight, maintenance and complexity just doesn't make sense for me. So now I'm looking at the Airborne B-29 and the Dean Colonel. The plusses for the B-29 include those cool dropouts, and that sexy bent top tube (not to mention the nose art decals). The Dean, on the other hand, has replaceable dropouts and - this is oh-so-cool - an EBB, the combination of which would make it really easy to run my Rohloff on. If I get the B-29 I'll end up running two complete bikes, retaining the Buzzbomb, and both would be hardtails. If I get the Dean, I'll probably cannibalize the Buzz and save the frame for a later build. So, do I upgrade my bike or my home theater? Help me, I've fallen and can't get up!

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    Jonesin'

    From the title, I thought you had ordered a Jones or something. Just a little more fuel for your thought process...........http://www.jonesbikes.com/

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    I agree that for most riding a hardtail suffices. It gets you up the climb and down the descend "fine". I have 2 hardtails, so you'd think I'm set.
    Actually, I'm convinced that a good FS, and the Lenz more than qualifies for that title, will be nicer to ride on many occasions, and if in a hurry, faster as well. You can manage the same trails, but take messier lines, and show off wider grins.
    If I had the money to build a Lenz now, I'd be really looking for reason NOT to buy it, and probably find none.

    One Rigid SS, One Hardtail Gearie, One FS. That'd be a nice MTB stable. Actually, the absolute minimum for the dream stable IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobW
    My longstanding philosophy (much espoused to my riding compadres) is that for 99% of the time a hardtail is just fine for the trails I ride,

    I'll end up ...........retaining the Buzzbomb, and both (current and new bike) would be hardtails.

    Help me, I've fallen and can't get up!
    You are correct - a FS isn't NECCESSARY. But let me tell you brother, it's miiiighty nice...you don't have to worry about high maintence, sloppy pivots, squeeky noises etc much anymore...FS bikes have come a loooong way...beleive me...I bought a LX Equiped Proflex Animal back in 1995 for $2200 bucks and thought it was going to be a fo' Shizzle! but it sucked raw MonkeyNuts!! After that it took me all the way to 2002 to try a FS bike again, which I've been on exclusively except for my time with a Karate Monkey.

    1st recommendation: Get the Lenz, you won't be sorry.

    2nd recommend: you appear to have good success with the Buzz Bomb. Wait another 2 months and get the new Buzz Bomb FS (full suspension), it'll be VERY similar to a Titus Racer X (rear most pivot on the seatstay like the Lenz to avoid FSR patent licensing fee), and cost will be extremely low for a frame set that comes with front fork.

    I'm glad you're a 29er man with the BB, but I hate to see a brother with some cash miss out on a FS 29er...it's another world man....tellin' ya...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncj01
    [I'm glad you're a 29er man with the BB, but I hate to see a brother with some cash miss out on a FS 29er...it's another world man....tellin' ya...
    If I do go FS it BETTER be worth it! After all the spoutin' off to my buddies I've done about the industry manufacturing a demand for FS in the magazines, I'll have about a ration and a half to eat... ;^)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobW
    All right, I got a small wad of cash I'm sitting on right now, and I'm kinda sorta maybe thinking about getting a new bike. I thought about a Lenz, but I pretty much have myself talked out of it. My longstanding philosophy (much espoused to my riding compadres) is that for 99% of the time a hardtail is just fine for the trails I ride, and to buy a bike based on 1% of my riding at the expense of added cost, weight, maintenance and complexity just doesn't make sense for me. So now I'm looking at the Airborne B-29 and the Dean Colonel. The plusses for the B-29 include those cool dropouts, and that sexy bent top tube (not to mention the nose art decals). The Dean, on the other hand, has replaceable dropouts and - this is oh-so-cool - an EBB, the combination of which would make it really easy to run my Rohloff on. If I get the B-29 I'll end up running two complete bikes, retaining the Buzzbomb, and both would be hardtails. If I get the Dean, I'll probably cannibalize the Buzz and save the frame for a later build. So, do I upgrade my bike or my home theater? Help me, I've fallen and can't get up!
    I'd get the Dean. It doesn't have that weird flat seatstay yoke, and for those with day jobs, it's tough to keep more than a couple of bikes well ridden.

    I'm with you on the HT versus FS question. Look how many on this forum crow about their rigid single speeds - they're fun because they're rigid as much as anything. An unsuspended bike (or HT) is cheaper, lighter and helps aggressive climbing. Rocky descents are just as fun, even if they're a bit slower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobW
    If I do go FS it BETTER be worth it! After all the spoutin' off to my buddies I've done about the industry manufacturing a demand for FS in the magazines, I'll have about a ration and a half to eat... ;^)
    I swore I would never have a full-suspension bike. Not needed, I don't ride that extreme. Well I'm a changed man--big wheels, full-suspension, big smiles! Riding stuff I thought I never would, fast and without hesitation.

    I'll probably be looking for a steel HT sometime, I just can't completely get rid of the old HT heritage. There are just some trails that beg for a good speedy hardtail.

    If you don't like it... Someone will buy it--what's your risk factor $200-$300. Whatever you do, don't have 2 hardtails... Cannibalize if necessary.

    Most importantly, do what you know is right in the heart, because in all honesty, the mind doesn't work as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobW
    So, do I upgrade my bike or my home theater? Help me, I've fallen and can't get up!
    Definitely upgrade the bike. No question. What you think about full suspension is how I feel about home theater: totally unnecessary manufactured demand. Total waste of money.
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    Rob,

    if you've got the cash, ride, and want a new ride....go for it!!!

    i just got my custom ti ss 29er, and was also thinking about adding a 29er fs machine...read below on what happened to that idea.

    the two rides you are looking at are pretty sweet. i have owned two deans and they were pretty nice (the craftsmanship is second to none, the customer service is another story). when shopping around for my new frame, i have narrowed down my choices to dean, jones (traditional diamond) and desalvo. i ended up going with mike desalvo.

    i knew what specs i wanted on my frame...all the tube lengths and angles...every detail. dean just couldn't get their act together and email me (remember, i have owned two frames from them). jones was really busy working on orders for his spaceframe. he thinks it is a superior design and has plenty of orders for them. he quoted (with no promises) over 1 year for a traditional diamond frame. mike, on the other hand, emailed me within a few hours, and picked up the phone whenever i called. his price was about $200 more than the dean colonel, abit less than the jones.

    i ordered the desalvo and it got in within the quoted time frame. every detail exactly the way i wanted it and some great work too!!!! i'll post built up pics later. rides freaking damn unbelieveable too....put my first ride on it yesterday after a 24hr break from rain.

    as for the fs thing....don't talk yourself into getting one. lots of people are jumping on the boat and if you fell you do not need it, throw the idea in the garbage. i was looking into ordering a 29er racer-x with a custom steel front triangle (vicious groover and inglis cycles). i thought it would be nice, but i know i really do not need it (maybe later, but not right now). i ended up donating what would have been the deposit to UNICEF so i know i won't get back on that boat soon. personally, if my back or bones ever need rear wheel travel, i'll get a casetllano silk ti in 29er form.

    as for fs design being much better these days....search the builder forums and see how many people complain about creeking/sloppy pivots. granted, the racer x and leviathan look to be some of the stiffer fs frames out there....but more pivots and a rear shock will equal more maintenance....anyone telling you otherwise is just damn wrong.

    it's your money and you're free to spend it on how you'd like....wether a 6-7" travel 26" wheel'd bike or a 29er ss with a rigid fork. but, i try to give my money to american builders first, so i'd definately go with dean before airborne (though i know airborne does some great stuff).

    as for the ebb idea...it would work great with your rohloff and even better when you ditch it for ss!!!

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    Werd. LOL.

    I didn't really 'notice' that last sentence until you pulled out of the paragraph. My home theater consists of a 25" JVC I got on sale for $189.00. I would rather spend my money (and time) on bikes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jh_on_the_cape
    Definitely upgrade the bike. No question. What you think about full suspension is how I feel about home theater: totally unnecessary manufactured demand. Total waste of money.
    A poor attempt at irony. Maybe I should've added a smiley?

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    RobW,

    Smileys or no smileys, I get your message. If you think FS is frivolous don't get it. I only changed my mind because I changed the trails I was riding.

    I went to Keystone CO for a weekend, and realized this would be much more fun with some extra-give. But then again, most of the riders had 8" DH bikes--not racing hardtails .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jl
    RobW,

    Smileys or no smileys, I get your message. If you think FS is frivolous don't get it. I only changed my mind because I changed the trails I was riding.

    I went to Keystone CO for a weekend, and realized this would be much more fun with some extra-give. But then again, most of the riders had 8" DH bikes--not racing hardtails .
    No, No, No! Nothing about FS here, more about what a waste of time sittin' in front of a tv is... sorry for the mis-understanding, I really am starting to question whether FS has gotten to a level where it adds more than it takes away, if you get me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobW
    All right, I got a small wad of cash I'm sitting on right now, and I'm kinda sorta maybe thinking about getting a new bike. I thought about a Lenz, but I pretty much have myself talked out of it. My longstanding philosophy (much espoused to my riding compadres) is that for 99% of the time a hardtail is just fine for the trails I ride, and to buy a bike based on 1% of my riding at the expense of added cost, weight, maintenance and complexity just doesn't make sense for me. So now I'm looking at the Airborne B-29 and the Dean Colonel. The plusses for the B-29 include those cool dropouts, and that sexy bent top tube (not to mention the nose art decals). The Dean, on the other hand, has replaceable dropouts and - this is oh-so-cool - an EBB, the combination of which would make it really easy to run my Rohloff on. If I get the B-29 I'll end up running two complete bikes, retaining the Buzzbomb, and both would be hardtails. If I get the Dean, I'll probably cannibalize the Buzz and save the frame for a later build. So, do I upgrade my bike or my home theater? Help me, I've fallen and can't get up!
    I love both my hardtail and FS bikes and would never trade either one. I ride both often and with a smile. The opinions of my buddies or others who don't believe FS is an awesome ride is fine with me since they are the ones missing out. Those that condemn FS that have never tried it are just giving you a bad opinion. Someone else said it already - get what you really want not what everyone else thinks you should get. It's your ride that really matters. BTW my personal opinion is like Cloxxki's get one of each (SS, HT-gearie & FS) then really have fun. What else is there after that?.

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    After a lot of hemming and hawing, I'm gonna pull the trigger this AM on the Dean. The deciding factors? 1. I want to run my speedhub w/o a tensioner - the Dean has an EBB. 2. The Dean is keepin' someone in Co. in beans and bacon. 3. Ti. I'm gonna turn the Buzzbomb into a CX bike, I'll post pics of both bikes, stay tuned...

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