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    Jones Spaceframe

    My new Jones Spaceframe / ti truss fork were delivered today. The bike is at my LBS getting final assembly touches and hopefully will be ready later this afternoon or tomorrow.
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    whoah! looks....heavy

    whats it weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stert
    whoah! looks....heavy

    whats it weight?

    I didn't actually weigh the frame, although I should have. I'll weigh it once it's built up. I think most of Jeff's spaceframes end up in the 22 lb range, so they are reasonably light.
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    is that a .... mudguard? bummer

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    not bad at all.

    sorry about my ignorance but is it a fat tire bike?

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    Lovely

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    I still don't get it but don't let that stop you.

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    Sweet! If only I had the extra cash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uknathank
    is that a .... mudguard? bummer

    Jeff calls it a crud catcher. It's removable. He happened to have a frame with the options I wanted, but it had a crud catcher. Since I was indifferent to the idea of a crud catcher and it is removalble, I went for it
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    Quote Originally Posted by stert
    not bad at all.

    sorry about my ignorance but is it a fat tire bike?
    no, it's a commuter bike. hence the mudguard. hope this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stert
    not bad at all.

    sorry about my ignorance but is it a fat tire bike?

    You can run some pretty fat tires on it. Jeff actually makes a 135mm wide front fork to allow huge tire / wheel combos. Since I already had an I9 29er wheelset, I opted to go with the standard 100mm ti truss fork. I'll probably use different tires, depending on the terrain. It'll be setup as a 1X6, which should allow me to use it on most socal trails.

    As for the crudcatcher (mudguard) - it's removable.
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    Nice frame buddy ! What kind of build are you going with ? How long did you wait for them to build it ? You will have that bike forever .
    I just got my dream Ti hardtail bike this year and life is pretty good
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherijumper
    Nice frame buddy ! What kind of build are you going with ? How long did you wait for them to build it ? You will have that bike forever .
    I just got my dream Ti hardtail bike this year and life is pretty good

    I've been looking at Jones bikes for a while, but finally pulled the trigger. I was lucky that Jeff had a frame in stock with the options I wanted, so my wait time was pretty short. Once I bought the spaceframe, I ebayed my Vassago Optimus Ti (which was set up as a 29er rigid singlespeed). I'm planning on trying the Jones initially as a 1X6 while running the other parts from my Vassago build (I9 singlespeed wheelset, White ENO cranks, Jones H-bar). I may switch it back to singlespeed later.
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    As a fellow Jones owner, you will have a blast! I love mine. Its such a versatile bike, and rides really easy.
    I will pass on 2 bits of advice:
    1.make sure the EBB is always properly tight (check it before each ride), I failed to once and it slipped a bit, and now I have a bit of a creak that won't go away. Take it out and clean it and grease it at least every few months.
    2. Second, don't grease the thomson seatpost, put it in dry. Clean it with degreaser every now and again, but don't grease it. It causes the seatpost to slip, and creak, and also attracts dirt which can get between the frame and the aluminum seatpost insert, which causes a clicking sound. I cured mine by cleaning the seat tube, dropping some chain lube beneath the insert and turning the bike upside down overnight.
    Those are just a couple of niggles with the bike, but considering the abuse I've dished out to it, are few and far between. I wouldn't trade mine for the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morandi
    As a fellow Jones owner, you will have a blast! I love mine. Its such a versatile bike, and rides really easy.
    I will pass on 2 bits of advice:
    1.make sure the EBB is always properly tight (check it before each ride), I failed to once and it slipped a bit, and now I have a bit of a creak that won't go away. Take it out and clean it and grease it at least every few months.
    2. Second, don't grease the thomson seatpost, put it in dry. Clean it with degreaser every now and again, but don't grease it. It causes the seatpost to slip, and creak, and also attracts dirt which can get between the frame and the aluminum seatpost insert, which causes a clicking sound. I cured mine by cleaning the seat tube, dropping some chain lube beneath the insert and turning the bike upside down overnight.
    Those are just a couple of niggles with the bike, but considering the abuse I've dished out to it, are few and far between. I wouldn't trade mine for the world.

    Thanks for the advice!

    I'm initially running a ti Eriksen post since I already had it from a previous build. I may switch to the setback Thomson that came with the frameset later.
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    whats the reasoning behind the design? (besides looking nice). just seems like overkill for a commuter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stert
    whats the reasoning behind the design? (besides looking nice). just seems like overkill for a commuter.

    I may ride it to the bagel shop on occasion, but it's not meant as a commuter. It's designed to be a non-suspended mountain bike. The ride is supposed to be unlike most other rigid mountain bikes. Jeff would probably be a better person to explain the nuances of his design - http://www.jonesbikes.com/. He has lots of pics and videos of him (and others) riding some gnarly rock gardens / drops on the spaceframe.
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    wow, lots of silly responses. that thing is a work of art, enjoy!

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    I am in love with those frames. Wish I had the money to buy one. Be sure to post photos of the finished product.


    Out of curiosity...what happens when the headset goes bad? Doesn't look like you can remove the fork without breaking some welds.
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    Out of curiosity...what happens when the headset goes bad? Doesn't look like you can remove the fork without breaking some welds.[/QUOTE]

    The whole steerer tube slides out.

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    Duuude!

    That is some major weekend stoke! Good on you.
    Well, it was a good try.

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    the steer tube slides up through the bottom, that's why the pinch bolts are there top and bottom

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    my god that means mine is closer to being built. enjoy!
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    Just picked her up from my LBS. They were so excited to build the bike, they didn't charge me anything. SWEET! She weighed in at 22.5 lbs.
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    WOW! What a great bike! Enjoy bro


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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit
    my god that means mine is closer to being built. enjoy!

    I'm anxious to see how your new Jones creation turns out!
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    Damn that looks like a fun ride!

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    Nice ride. Enjoy !

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    That is one amazing looking machine. Give us a ride report ASAP. I'm hoping to get a ride on one next week to determine if I'll crack open the piggy bank.

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    Wow that things friggin sweet!!!! I would kill to have one of them!!!!

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    Pics of that bike are actually making me sweat, very nice ride!

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    that bike pops. i love the moots stem.
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    Where you dropped on your head when you where a baby?
    Quote Originally Posted by stert
    just seems like overkill for a commuter.


    I must give you credit on your astute observation in your first post that the frame looked heavy. Jones Space Frames are made exclusively from lead pipe.

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    Almost forgot to add, STELLAR job on the build. You absolutely nailed it.

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    Beautiful Bike. Enjoy it for years to come.

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    Awesome bike as always Yangpei....... That is one amazing looking bike.
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    where'd all the jones newbies come from?

    nice bike.

    enjoy!

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    Ridiculous

    In a good way!

    Give us a ride report.

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    now all you need is one of these

    http://paulcomp.com/chainkeeper.html
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    aluminium has a tendency to fail when you need it most. i.e. you end up with a bad day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter916
    now all you need is one of these

    http://paulcomp.com/chainkeeper.html

    That chainkeeper looks nice. I may have to invest in one of those!
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    Ti party at yangpei's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Woo hoo!!!!!!!!

    Oh my gosh... oh my gosh... oh my gosh... now that's a bike.

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    fine art

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    Looks flexy.
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    Mmmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yangpei
    I'm anxious to see how your new Jones creation turns out!
    I cant stand it anymore. I keep checking this thread for more pics.
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    Beautiful bike! But I have one very small nitpick. The bars are wrapped the wrong direction. They should be wrapped the other direction so when you pull on them the tape tightens instead of loosens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter916
    now all you need is one of these

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    Agreed! You don't want to scar up that beautiful frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    WOW! What a great bike! Enjoy bro
    and its so much nicer than aquaholics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yangpei
    Jeff calls it a crud catcher. It's removable. He happened to have a frame with the options I wanted, but it had a crud catcher. Since I was indifferent to the idea of a crud catcher and it is removalble, I went for it
    It`s not just Jeff that calls it a Crud Catcher

    http://www.crudproducts.com/products...cher-09/page-1

    A very useful (none Jones invented) itemfor those of us with MUD !

    Beautiful bike BTW
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    I am in total awe! Pinch! I am looking into a ti-frame and this is by far the best looking set up I have seen! Guessing I will have to invest in Jones, and then college loans will have to do for my junior and senior year. Bike and debt go hand-n-hand! Enjoy that dream macccchinnne

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    Nice bike. What saddle is that?

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    I like the ti stem and post rather than the Thomson black....ties it all together.......so it seems Jones is finally "in". I sold mine.

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    I'm diggin' the Ti stem and post as well. You really built that thing to go fast. Those tires are quick rollers . . . Arch rims and I9s . . . you must be headed for some smooth trails . . . are you sure it's not really your commuter?

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    As per Jeff's recomendations, I re-routed the cables to run inside the truss fork and seatstays. It looks much cleaner now. I also ordered a Paul's Chain Keeper
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    is that the gold glitter jones sticker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit
    is that the gold glitter jones sticker.

    Do they make a gold glitter Jones sticker?

    Jeff only mentioned a plain black one, a grey one, and a 3M refective one. I think the one I have is the 3M reflective sticker. It looks black in regular light, but shows up white if light is shined on it.
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    let me look for a pic, but i think thats the one i am thinking about.
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    Ok, so it has some great stickers, but how does it ride.

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    Hope your house is paid for, kids college education too.......
    Looks nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hairllama
    Ok, so it has some great stickers, but how does it ride.

    It feels great just tooling around my driveway! Unfortunately, I'm working this weekend. Hopefully, I'll get to try her out on some trails in the next week or two
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    Quote Originally Posted by larryo108
    Nice bike. What saddle is that?
    ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by larryo108
    Nice bike. What saddle is that?

    Sorry, I didn't see your comment earlier.

    The saddle is made by Prologo.
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    Wonderful! Nothing else to say.

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    I have gold, non-glitter stickers on mine


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    What size front chainring are you running?
    You wouldn't be in so much pain if you didn't ride like a dork!

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    Nice build, and welcome to the space(frame)cadets!
    Rip the bring!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPATCRASH
    What size front chainring are you running?

    32t
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias/Frost
    Nice build, and welcome to the space(frame)cadets!

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yangpei
    Sorry, I didn't see your comment earlier.

    The saddle is made by Prologo.
    Thank you.

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    You didn't go for the mechanical brakes just because you like red, did you?



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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    You didn't go for the mechanical brakes just because you like red, did you?

    No. I ordered the BB7's because many people recommended them. I didn't even know what they looked like before I ordered. These are my first mech disc brakes. I'm running Hope hydraulics on all my other bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte

    where'd all the jones newbies come from?

    nice bike.

    enjoy!
    My thoughts exactly. People should admit what they don't know and shelf the idiotic commentary.

    Awesome bike, awesome build.

    Truly a wealth of useless information.


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    not to be an elitest tool, but I really feel as though that bike is deserving better rotors than the avid roundagons. They don't really match the calibre of the rest of the component spec. Look into the 6 bolt magura perhaps, better quality and quieter braking.
    The bike is just astonishing otherwise though, I'd use carbon assembly past if you're worried about slippage with the seatpost. Its just grease saturated with tiny beads that reduce the amount of torque needed to secure the post. I would also use this past in the head of the seatpost for the same reason.

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    I was thinking of getting the Erikson seat post myself for my space frame.
    Why did you not buy the set back post ?
    I just ordered the fat tire & fork should be here in a few days.
    Nice build .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark59
    I was thinking of getting the Erikson seat post myself for my space frame.
    Why did you not buy the set back post ?
    I just ordered the fat tire & fork should be here in a few days.
    Nice build .
    I'm running Eriksen posts on a few bikes - all of which are straight posts. I've never tried any set back posts. The post I'm using on the Jones came from my Vassago Optimus Ti.
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    Running factory Avid rotors on BB7 are smart. The Hope and Magura riveted rotors look nice on their respective counterparts. BB7 is all about simplicity and factory spec is the way to go. Way to rep the best mechanicals available yangpei. - BB7 x 3 owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    Running factory Avid rotors on BB7 are smart. The Hope and Magura riveted rotors look nice on their respective counterparts. BB7 is all about simplicity and factory spec is the way to go. Way to rep the best mechanicals available yangpei. - BB7 x 3 owner.
    I agree absoultely 100% .
    I had a freind tell me my rotors did not look good with my build on the Jones bike,
    I was running the stock BB7 mech.. & rotors. I listened to him and put a set of
    Formula's rotors on . Yes they look good, but man do they squeal .
    I even used brand to pads with the new rotors. I never thought the BB7 rotors looked that bad in the first place.
    Now I know . Keep it simple and don't mix parts when they are working just for looks.

    I will be putting the stock BB7 rotors back on.

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    Most BB7 users will tell you that the Avid Cleansweep rotors are better than the Roundagon rotors though. I'm not sure if I can tell, but I use the Cleansweeps now anyway.

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    [QUOTE=luffy]not to be an elitest tool, but I really feel as though that bike is deserving better rotors than the avid roundagons. They don't really match the calibre of the rest of the component spec. Look into the 6 bolt magura perhaps, better quality and quieter braking.


    Bikes should be first about function, looks second. The Avid rotors work really well the the BB7s.
    If you really want to improve your braking performance with the BB7s get some of Jeff Jones' compression-less cable setup. Which uses Nokon housing, Stainless tubing, and Gore sealed cables. This set-up really makes the BB7s shine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark59
    I never thought the BB7 rotors looked that bad in the first place.
    I have read several posts recently knocking on the aesthetics of those rotors. personally, I really like the simple look of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Most BB7 users will tell you that the Avid Cleansweep rotors are better than the Roundagon rotors though. I'm not sure if I can tell, but I use the Cleansweeps now anyway.
    I would agree with that. Most of these minor changes you can not tell the difference.
    The clean sweeps do look better.
    All I know is my Roundagon's were working great. Something was telling me, don't mess with what's working.
    But that is how I learn sometimes.
    I have ridden with Jeff Jones at his home . I have spent time around him.
    When he sets up a bike or builds a bike he will tell you first hand,
    "I don't create anything for looks
    its all function or I don't do it".
    When i received the bike from Jeff everything just works together, everything is thought out thoroughly with many hours of testing by Jeff.
    Jeff is like a mad scientist in the woods of Oregon trying out different ideas to see what works and what doesn't.
    I have never spoke to anyone who is more passionate about building and riding bikes.
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    Not bad, for a budget build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man
    Not bad, for a budget build.
    You are correct. Because most of the parts came off an existing bike and the frameset was a gift from my wife, the build cost me very little. The only new parts are the modified 6 speed cassette from Jeff, the rear derailleur, a set of bar-end shifters, and a set of Paul's Thumbies. I also ordered a set of red Twenty6 Rallye ti flat pedals for when I feel like riding without being clipped in
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    Nice bike! Wish Jeff Jones would have given you a red sticker! Anyhoo, I can't wait to hear the ride report.

    Enjoy your new Jones.

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    Meh.

    The difference in finish between the Moots stem and the top of the fork brace just kills the whole look.

    /snark

    Still, in your vast cave of ti there must be a nice brushed Blacksheep or Seven stem somewhere right?

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    Just hit the Moots stem with a green Scotchbrite pad and all will be forgiven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haworth
    The difference in finish between the Moots stem and the top of the fork brace just kills the whole look.

    Thanks! Now that you've pointed out the difference in the finish, it's going to bug me every time I look at the bike

    Just curious, is the finish on Seven stems closer to that of the truss fork? I was thinking about moving to a shorter stem at some point.
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    i didnt want to bring it up either. my moots post is polished how come your stem is not. is it new? I am planning on running the moots post and stem combo.

    is it a 100mm stem. your are 5'11" right, just like jeff. I am the same height and loved his bike. he recommended a 100mm stem to me with the loop bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit
    i didnt want to bring it up either. my moots post is polished how come your stem is not. is it new? I am planning on running the moots post and stem combo.

    is it a 100mm stem. your are 5'11" right, just like jeff. I am the same height and loved his bike. he recommended a 100mm stem to me with the loop bar.

    Both the Eriksen post and Moots stem are about a year old. The stem is 100mm and I am 5'10". The bike feels pretty comfortable in the current set-up. I'll have to give it some time before I start tinkering. Eventually, I may try a shorter stem and layback seatpost.
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    I tend to think the layback is the way to go with the spaceframe. The rearwards weighting appears to be part of the whole design - light front wheel, endo resistance, actuating the rear "suspension", etc.

    Naturally, the layback post will also give you a little more room to move around in the cockpit. It's an upright setup either way.

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    Just curious, is the finish on Seven stems closer to that of the truss fork? I was thinking about moving to a shorter stem at some point.[/QUOTE]

    Could be. When I had the Moots stem on the Duo the clash of finishes was as hideous as your setup appears in the pictures. The Seven stem I replaced it with matched perfectly - hoocoodanode?

    If the finish on the Jones is the same as your ex Duo then a Seven ti stem (or pretty much any brushed ti stem) would be a better match.

    All snarking aside............ ride report sucka................. Surely a quick jaunt up Brown and down El Prieto isn't going to cut into working thaaaaaat much.

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    Bummer. I have a 30t Boone I'm not using.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeves
    I tend to think the layback is the way to go with the spaceframe. The rearwards weighting appears to be part of the whole design - light front wheel, endo resistance, actuating the rear "suspension", etc.

    Naturally, the layback post will also give you a little more room to move around in the cockpit. It's an upright setup either way.

    I talked with Jeff some more today about bike setup. He also feels that a layback post is well-suited for the spaceframe. So, I ordered an Eriksen layback titanium seatpost today. I already have a Thomson layback post, but I wanted to stay with the ti post.
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    I also added a set of Twenty6 Rallye ti flat pedals for riding around town. They are really light for a full-size flat pedal and come in a full array of colors. I'll definitely be putting the XTR pedals back on for trail riding, however.
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    Any chance to get out and really ride it yet?

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    ... and if we just ...

    That's what I run on mine, and people ask "Why?" and I say, "Cuz!" and it's like "OOOOH Bust!" and I laugh at them and they cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hairllama
    Any chance to get out and really ride it yet?

    Hopefully this coming weekend.

    I also participate in dragon boat racing and our team has a big race in Vancouver June 20-21. So, the coaches have been kicking our asses in practices both Sat and Sun the past few weekends. Usually after practice, I'm so sore and tired that I can barely move. I'm hoping to save some energy after practice to ride this weekend
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    Man, you'd have to pry me off that thing. It's not right that your garage door gets to have all the fun. Did you really decide to change seat posts without truly riding it? There are poor starving children in Africa who have no bikes . . . ride it for them, get it dirty! Strap on the lights and do a night ride, all this e-riding is killing the soul of that poor bike.

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    Finally got her dirty

    I took the Jones to Brown / El Prieto this afternoon. The trails were nice and tacky from the recent drizzle. Anyways, the bike rocks! It climb very well. I actually made it up to the saddle about 1 minute faster than my usual time with my full suspension bikes. The high speed stutter bumps on the fireroad still rattled my hands / arms a bit, but was much more tolerable than on the fully rigid bikes I've tried before. Coming down the El Prieto single track was great. I took it a little slower than I usually do since I was riding alone on a new bike. I made it down in about 12 1/2 minutes (probably 1 - 1 1/2 minutes slower than my fs times). Aside from a few pedal strikes, I didn't have any issues with the bike. It cornered amazingly well in the tight switchbacks for a big-wheeled bike. I was using the flat pedals (which I'm not used to) because I was too lazy to switch them out. I'll probably be putting the SPD's back on for future trail rides. Anyways, she's officially dirty now.
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    Nice! How were those tires in the slop? Any issues keeping the chain on?

    Also, depending on your riding style and the size of the tire, you can run some ridiculously low pressures...and that'll take care of a little of that stutter.

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    how low is that BB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GQOSE
    how low is that BB?
    The EBB is currently set up at the lowest (6 o'clock) position because Jeff recommended it to keep the center of gravity lower. The BB measures 11 1/4" at the present position. If I rotate the EBB to the 12 o'clock position, I can raise it about 1/2".
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeves
    Nice! How were those tires in the slop? Any issues keeping the chain on?
    The tires did fine - it was tacky, but not muddy at all. Most of the mud is from the stream crossings.

    I didn't have any issues with the chain on this ride. But, I did buy a Paul Chain Keeper, but still need to fiddle with the EBB to get it to mount properly.
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    I've been looking at the Jones and Blacksheeps, but haven't had a chance to ride either yet.

    Can you feel the vertical compliance? Or is is it more like the difference (in relative terms) in compliance between aluminum and high-quality steel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by topmounter
    I've been looking at the Jones and Blacksheeps, but haven't had a chance to ride either yet.

    Can you feel the vertical compliance? Or is is it more like the difference (in relative terms) in compliance between aluminum and high-quality steel?
    My only previous experience on a fully rigid bike was a few rides on a Gunnar Ruffian 29er with a steel fork and a Vassago Optimus Ti 29er with a Pace carbon rigid fork. Both were fun to ride, but were pretty punishing on the hand / forearms on fast / bumpy stuff. So far, I've only had one real off-road ride on the Jones. But, it defintely feels more compliant. The Jones bike / truss fork along with a more rear-weight bias helps with lightening up the front end and making the bumps less punishing. So, I guess you can feel the vertical compliance. I love the bike, but it definitely doesn't feel like my full suspension bikes
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    Quote Originally Posted by yangpei
    Hopefully this coming weekend.

    I also participate in dragon boat racing and our team has a big race in Vancouver June 20-21. So, the coaches have been kicking our asses in practices both Sat and Sun the past few weekends. Usually after practice, I'm so sore and tired that I can barely move. I'm hoping to save some energy after practice to ride this weekend
    i saw several teams out training in false creek a couple days ago. does look like an intense workout. i take it you're not the lucky guy that gets to sit in front & scream at the paddlers. sweet bike, btw. gorgeous tube manipulation & great parts spec. curious why you picked mechanical disks over hydros?

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    Quote Originally Posted by morandi
    As a fellow Jones owner, you will have a blast! I love mine. Its such a versatile bike, and rides really easy.
    I will pass on 2 bits of advice:
    1.make sure the EBB is always properly tight (check it before each ride), I failed to once and it slipped a bit, and now I have a bit of a creak that won't go away. Take it out and clean it and grease it at least every few months.
    2. Second, don't grease the thomson seatpost, put it in dry. Clean it with degreaser every now and again, but don't grease it. It causes the seatpost to slip, and creak, and also attracts dirt which can get between the frame and the aluminum seatpost insert, which causes a clicking sound. I cured mine by cleaning the seat tube, dropping some chain lube beneath the insert and turning the bike upside down overnight.
    Those are just a couple of niggles with the bike, but considering the abuse I've dished out to it, are few and far between. I wouldn't trade mine for the world.

    I've got the clicking sound in my seat tube as well...did you actually remove the aluminum insert? I'm gonna work on it someday this week and any further instruction would be great before I get after it.

    Thanks in advance!
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    I added the Eriksen setback seatpost yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yangpei
    I added the Eriksen setback seatpost yesterday.
    How's the bling-mobile? Get a chance to thrash it yet?

    Jeff stopped by our coast this weekend and we took him for a ride on our local trails (Avalon, next to Baltimore, MD). Guess how many Joneses?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil
    How's the bling-mobile? Get a chance to thrash it yet?

    Jeff stopped by our coast this weekend and we took him for a ride on our local trails (Avalon, next to Baltimore, MD). Guess how many Joneses?



    (click pic for answer.)
    Only the one ride 2 weeks ago. Since then, it's been mostly riding around town.

    Awesome pic with Jeff and all the Joneses!
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    oh thats just great. he is out riding with you guys and not making my bike...great.
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    Talk about keepin' up with the Joneses

    Would be nice to read an in-depth review on the steel Jones...

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    The vassago ti frame is sweet, why did you get rid of it? any issues with the frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yangpei
    Just picked her up from my LBS. They were so excited to build the bike, they didn't charge me anything.
    LOL. Dude, you're on a Jones Spaceframe and you can't roll your own build? Oy Veh!
    I don't like jail, they got the wrong kind of bars in there

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex s
    The vassago ti frame is sweet, why did you get rid of it? any issues with the frame?
    No issues with the Vassago. I really liked the Optimus Ti. It was (is) a beautiful frame. But, I've wanted a Jones Spaceframe for some time. I couldn't justify having 2 titanium rigid 29ers, so I sold the Vassago. It has a new home and is making someone else very happy.
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    In response to all the complaints about running mechanical discs on the Jones, I recently replaced them with a set of Formula R1 brakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yangpei
    In response to all the complaints about running mechanical discs on the Jones, I recently replaced them with a set of Formula R1 brakes.
    Phew! Jeff Jones would never use mechanicals on his personal bikes...

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    I nominate this bike for e-ride of the year.

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    Damn!!!

    That picture is wild!

    I saw a few pictures of Jones riding BB7's and I was really encouraged by it. Cause ya know he can clearly ride whatever he chooses

    Grats on the bike Yang!

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    Did you change to Formula because of the complaints of others or the lack of performance from the BB7'S ?
    I tried the formulas I didn't think they were any better. I was on the same path you were on as far as looks.
    After spending many weekends on these mechanicals you couldn't give me a set of Formulas . The power and the ability to adjust the pads is to important to give up.
    The only crash I have had on the Jones is when i put the fat tire on and was descending a steep rock garden and grabbed to much front brake by mistake and over the handle bars I went. In other words the brakes are powerful .

    I will give the Formulas the better look by a long shot.
    Performance goes to the BB7'S.
    Your bike looks awesome.
    Put the fat tire on the front you will love it.
    Especially if you like technical descents and big rocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark59
    Put the fat tire on the front you will love it.
    Especially if you like technical descents and big rocks.

    I've been toying with the idea of outfitting my jones with a fat front set-up.
    I'm not sure how much of a benefit it will be to me. I have no problem handling the drops and knarl with my current 29er weirwolf/GORDO setup. I can understand its benefits more to the east coast rider or riders that encounter snow, but curious about the benefits to the west coast/California rider with long ass climbs and descents. Anybody sporting one out west? Thoughts etc..?
    I'm maybe thinking slapping one of the new WTB Kodiaks on there might prove to be a more versatile setup, with a lot of the same benefits. Cheaper too!

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    The picture you see of me coming out of the rock garden or boulder garden is in Lake Tahoe Ca. Or Nev.
    Lots of rocks and technical descents. The fat tire is incredible in this setting. I was concerned with its climbing abilities myself. Jeff told me I would barely notice the difference.
    I didn't really believe him. Now that i have had it on for 2 months I barley notice it. Jeff was right.
    The last ride I did in Tahoe was called the Punisher ride about 6-7 thousand feet of climbing 9 K feet in altitude , my Jones is set up as a SS the tire was no problem. This tire is awesome! I was reluctant to purchase it myself I was fine with the 29er Gordo and the WTB Weir wolf and I didn't want to spend the money for the fat tire and fork.
    I am so happy i bought it.
    If your riding mainly in flat areas then it may be a different call. I like to ride everything out here in the west .
    I can't see myself taking this fat tire off its just to much fun in all conditions.
    Benefits:
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    Compliant
    Very forgiving
    Increase speed on descents over rocks with out hammering your upper body.
    Smaller obstacles are a non issue .
    Read Surly's site about wider tires they are faster in most conditions in dirt then smaller tires.
    I am not sure I would have believed anyone about this tire until I tried it myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark59
    The only crash I have had on the Jones is when i put the fat tire on and was descending a steep rock garden and grabbed to much front brake by mistake and over the handle bars I went. In other words the brakes are powerful .
    Hey, I want me some of dem brakes what throws you over the handlebars!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark59
    Did you change to Formula because of the complaints of others or the lack of performance from the BB7'S ?

    The BB7's were the only mechanical discs that I've tried. I was running them with Avid Ultimate levers and they seemed to work well. I didn't really have any issues with them, but only had a few rides on them. I'm running Hope brakes on all of my other mountain bikes. I really like the way the Hopes feel / modulate and they are plenty strong for my riding. I've been hearing good things about the Formula brakes for a while. And, I recently came across a really great web deal on the R1's, so I picked up a pair to try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morandi
    I've been toying with the idea of outfitting my jones with a fat front set-up.
    I'm not sure how much of a benefit it will be to me. I have no problem handling the drops and knarl with my current 29er weirwolf/GORDO setup. I can understand its benefits more to the east coast rider or riders that encounter snow, but curious about the benefits to the west coast/California rider with long ass climbs and descents. Anybody sporting one out west? Thoughts etc..?
    I'm maybe thinking slapping one of the new WTB Kodiaks on there might prove to be a more versatile setup, with a lot of the same benefits. Cheaper too!
    IMHO, the Fat Front is either faster or more fun in the rocks, sand, or snow. If riding relatively smooth fireroads or singletrack, I prefer the Weirwolf. BTW, I'm East Coast.
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    Just read this thread with interest. I should get my Jones in the next couple of days. Have specced the fat front as well as a normal front on Gordo's, both running on Phil Hubs...really looking forward too it.

    Jeff has just blogged my bike

    Gonna run it SS most of the time with 6 spd in the summer if I need it and Rohloff in the winter again only if needed, one speed is all I need most of the time.

    It has a King rear hub and BB on Jeff's last modified crank..I also have a Phil disc rear at home and I might use that with a WI freewheel and ENO cranks every noew and then just for the change.

    I'm running rack mounts so I can do some MTB touring and tow the youngest on a trailerbike, she loves the singletrack and it really makes me smile when I'm SS on a bike, towing a 5 year old on a trailerbike and I overtake he full suss boys on the climbs

    I hope this thing is everything I keep reading its been a long time in production and the anticipation has definitely heightened my expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot
    Just read this thread with interest. I should get my Jones in the next couple of days. Have specced the fat front as well as a normal front on Gordo's, both running on Phil Hubs...really looking forward too it.

    Jeff has just blogged my bike

    Gonna run it SS most of the time with 6 spd in the summer if I need it and Rohloff in the winter again only if needed, one speed is all I need most of the time.

    It has a King rear hub and BB on Jeff's last modified crank..I also have a Phil disc rear at home and I might use that with a WI freewheel and ENO cranks every noew and then just for the change.

    I'm running rack mounts so I can do some MTB touring and tow the youngest on a trailerbike, she loves the singletrack and it really makes me smile when I'm SS on a bike, towing a 5 year old on a trailerbike and I overtake he full suss boys on the climbs

    I hope this thing is everything I keep reading its been a long time in production and the anticipation has definitely heightened my expectations.
    I was at Jeffs house last week
    I was checking your bike out .
    It looks very nice!
    Sweet choice of components!
    Jeff and I rode at Mountain Bike Oregon last weekend,some of the best trails in the country!
    I was on my fat tire, Jeff was on the new 29er tires with the wide rims .
    These bikes handle so well.
    Your gonna love your bike.
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    Thanks Mark, I tried on the component front.

    I agonised over the rear hub and crank the most, everything else I was happy with, I was gonna go with Stans wheels and try and make it really light but Jeff convinced me the benefits of the wide wheels outweighed(sic) the weight savings.

    Jeff and Sheila's communication, service, advice and all round helpfulness and enthusiasm throughout this process has been everything I had hoped, I've felt very involved.

    I was stoked to find out during the process that I could get some 135mm wide Phil Wood hubs, again heavy, but smooth and bomb proof.

    Just received news its landed in the UK so I should get to build it and ride at the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot
    it really makes me smile when I'm SS on a bike, towing a 5 year old on a trailerbike and I overtake he full suss boys on the climbs
    Never underestimate the power to weight ratio of a 5 year old.

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    the Pilot - how much tax and duty will you be paying may I ask? I'm looking to order a Jones soonish - but I'm concerned about the customs duty/VAT.

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    Give us an update on that new Jones.

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    I can tell you that exactly, but obviously it depends on your build cost and the exchange rate.

    15% VAT

    I asked Jeff to pack it in to boxes frame+forks in one, the rest in another box. It was both cheaper than the bike built up more normally for shipping would be to ship, two smaller boxes, but most importantly it is not classified as a bike as I need to 'build' it and as such duty is 4.7% not 14% so 19.7% total based on the current exchange rate.

    I am pretty relieved as it was $1.37 to the pound when I ordered it and its $1.68 now
    Its the luck of the draw if you're caught or not, but Jeff documents the package properly to ensure the insurance is in order so not much change of slipping through.

    The other option is to go out and fetch it and bring it home, he costs of doing so are not much more than shipping in the off season plus you get to meet Jeff. I was going to do that but work got in the way.

    Shipping cost me nearly $800

    Should be here tomorrow so I'll post an update on the bike then

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    Fu*k work. It may have helped pay for the frame, but you do the daily grind everyday. The chance to meet the frames maker and shoot the sh*t on a ride - priceless and once in a lifetime.

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    I'll get some pictures up of my Jones soon and a more thorough write up but first impressions from the weekend..

    STIFF, crikey that front end is stiff and accurate, the hubs and wheels must help with that, I expected a little more give at the front, and the spaceframe is very laterally stiff, again making it accurate with great power transfer.

    Very agile, fast steering yet very stable, gets LOTS of air

    Massive traction when using the fat front, feels very light (although not that light really for a SS at 24lbs) but specced pretty burly.

    Really good shock absorption from the spaceframe, although it is a little disconcerting to have the frame flex when you sit on it but it certainly does what it says on the tin on the trail.

    Climbs really well.

    Looks fantastic in the flesh

    I messed with the tyre pressures a little and improved the shock absorption and grip on the front without affecting steering after the first few miles. I'm sure I'll learn more how to set it up just right.

    Never answered so many questions on the trail in my life!

    Brakes are lovely, great modulation and feel, plenty of power for single finger braking.

    King rear hub sounds like a swarm of bees! I think I prefer the Royce/Hope sound but you can't argue with the speed of engagement, but everyone knows about King hubs I'm sure.

    More later..

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    Those things are grotesque, I want one soo bad.

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    Part time geared

    Ok, been out for a few rides on the Jones in a couple of different configurations. I really like this bike. Everything I had heard, is true, for me. I have changed the stem a couple of times, but have it right now for me at 100mm, it's a 23" frame and I am 5'11" with a 32 inside leg, I am nicely over the back but not too far. All the bolts are ti, I have a 203mm rotor on the front, 183mm on the back,with the Hope X2 pro's and braided hoses, coupled with the big wheel, truss fork and low stance the braking is amazing, so much traction.

    I thought I might get a lot of pedal strikes, but the very short wheelbase seems, much like a swb Landrover, to prevent this in the main, get the odd one, but the benefits outweigh the downside.

    You can really feel the give in the frame when seated, it does take alot of the sting out of the trail, although SS I am out of the saddle most of the time. You can also tell this frame is laterally stiff it just rails corners. I think my wheels help here being very stiff, gordo rims on Phil 135 front hub.

    Here it is set up 6 spd on the King hub, 17 -34 JJ custom cassette on the back with a 34 blackspire on the front and a thumbie, with the big wheel. I am waiting for a boone front ring, but it"ll be a couple of months yet.

    We're heading into the winter here in the UK so I will be looking to put some more aggressive tyres on it, as big as I can and I will run it SS all through the winter with the std front wheel on. It builds up at 25lbs geared, so not light but not too heavy either given the bulletproof components. I could shed 2lbs in tyres and another 1/2lb in the saddle but I don't think weight is an issue at that so I'll leave it.

    I just want to ride it all the time at the moment
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    More Pics

    Here's my flikr page for anyone that wants to see more.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pilot/

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot
    ...All the bolts are ti....

    ...I don't think weight is an issue ....

    Did you get the Ti bolts because you had too much loose change burning a hole in your pocket?
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    Now, then, I'm English, so I get sarcasm

    However, whilst that sounds like a contradiction, we get ALOT of moisture in the UK and steel bolts rust, slowly , but they do rust....ok, ok, it's a fair cop I'm a bit anal

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    Just got back from a ride at my local trail centre, great ride, used the big wheel. Definitely more traction and absorption (that fork is Ti but it is mighty stiff, no noticeable tuck under braking into hairpins where there are alot of braking bumps/bomb holes, the big wheel does slow the steering because of the extra tyre on the road. Noticeable when you change back to the 'normal' 2.55" It wouldn't be to everyones taste.

    The frame and setup lets you really drive into and out of corners too without any feeling of lost power, so chuckable.

    Can't think of anything else to say really its just great fun an absolute hoot

    Love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus Maximus
    Did you get the Ti bolts because you had too much loose change burning a hole in your pocket?
    Eh give the man a break......he's stoked with his new ride n your just jealous..

    Looks great pilot..like the Brooks retro style.... ...Im interested to know what that fatty rides like...I had one all lined up but the credit crunch and interest rate dive put my MerlinJones on hold... ride, ride, ride while the trails are buff in the UK

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    I've just sent Jeff an email - I have not told my wife yet :-O

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well Its Gone



    Well it was awesome while it lasted. My jones has been stolen by some scum bag, who I don't think even knows what he's got.

    Also took my wifes Cotic Soul and her roadie and my 5 year olds bike

    Massive Oxford Thatcham aproved lock on them both to a round anchor in a locked garage, hydraulic boltcrops it looks like.

    If you see a Jones+fat truss for sale used, be suspicious. mine has no cable guides except a front mech stop to the left of the headtube. Its set up 6 speed, and the Phil Wood 135 slr front hub is pretty rare too. They have it with the standard width Gordo wheel.

    Frame No ends 74, fork no ends 57, it has an Erikson ti post and Jeffs crank. as the pictures but without the fat wheel.

    Not many in the UK! Who's gonna buy it.

    I've waited a long time for this one, how long for another.

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    Man, I can't believe someone stole your Jones!
    Who the hell is gonna buy it, must be the most recognizable and therefore unsellable bikes there is.
    Very sorry to hear that.
    As a fellow Jones owner, I hope you get it back.
    Good luck,
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    Thats tragic and something I live in constant fear of.

    The local shops know mine. I'll tell them there's a rogue one on the loose.

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    As they say on this side of the pond, that sucks!
    Having a new bike stolen before it's even broken in
    is very depressing (I've been there), but one as special
    as a Jones is truly tragic. I hope they catch the bastard.
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    Thats is one of the negative aspects of owning a Jones.
    I am watching the bike and locking it up more then any of my other bikes at times it seems
    to be a pain in the ass.
    I am really sorry to hear this sad news.

    I can only wish you a peaceful mind as soon as possible

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    Really sorry to hear that your Jones has been stolen and from a well secured location too

    Considering the equipment needed, I wonder if it was `stolen to order`?

    If not, it would be worth posting on the UK bike sites such as Bikemagic and Bikeradar etc.

    `Twas a great build BTW

    Good luck getting it back,
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    pilot...thats bad news....where you based so we can put the word out.

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    Found several stolen rigs via the forums and ebay or CL. Watch the local hock shops as well. With the space frame it is both good and bad as the frame will attract attention. This should make off loading it a PITA without questions.

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    Thanks everyone. I'm based in Hinckley in the UK. It certainly has some bits like the front hub that are even rare on a Jones. I don't think they knew what they were taking.
    I've put the word out on STW and the local bike shops and obviously here. Trying to watch ebay etc.

    They also took my wifes Cotic Soul and her Specialized Ruby and believe it or not my 5 year old daughters Islabike along with lights and stuff but left some expensive, unlocked roadie bikes hanging on the wall.

    Who's gonna want a 6 spd mountain bike with no suspension unless you're really into it and you would ask questions wouldn't you. Stolen is stolen and if it's ever identified by the police you have to return it, would you plonk down big $$?

    It'll end up in a dump or with some kid thrashing it around a jump park

    I'll keep trying to publicise it and try and make it impossible to move on, hopefully it will surface.

    It looks like I may not be able to get another in the foreseeable future even if I had a blank cheque having spoken to Jeff, and the cranks are now unobtainable; major disappointment.

    If anyone has any news my email is phil.pryorATblue-ngDOTcom

    Cheers all.

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    I'm sorry to hear you bad news Phil. Hope you get it back soon.

    Like Martin I'm aways worried mine will go walk abouts, Lets hope it turns up soon as it will be easy to spot.

    The only problem for us few UK Jones riders is that everyone is going to think they've seen your bike as and when we ride past.

    Good look, we'll keep looking for you.

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    John,

    Thanks for that. It is a downside if people think they have seen mine and report it. Hopefully, since I think most of you guys, i.e. the UK owners like Stu yourself, Martin et al. are known there shouldn't be many false alarms. I think the front hub and rack mounts is the biggest giveaway on mine.

    I apologise in advance if here is any inconvenience to you or any of the other uk owners out of all of this.

    Is it worth a UK owners register/list so we can keep in touch. It might be of use if anything happens to any others in the future?

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    Are those the Jones massaged last generation of XTR cranks? Looks like, just trying to be sure. If you need some 180's I may know of some for sale.

    Good luck finding that beauty!

    Cheers!

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    the pilot that sucks big time. Try a post on Retrobike as well, theres a keen ebay and gumtree watch.

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    Just stumbled across a photo of a new crank from MRP. Looks very similar to the old XTR in shape.I wonder if it can be polished?


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    Anyone seen or heard anything? I have a search on ebay and looking at Gumtree in the UK, singletrackworld forums.

    If any space frames come up for sale I'll happily supply the frame and fork numbers to compare.

    Also I think my Phil Wood SLR 135mm front hub is rare as rocking horse doo, so it should be pretty obvious, only one front mech cable guide too.

    Missing it loads

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    ah man

    Pilot, I just read this whole thread as I am so intrigued with the Jones Bikes. I feel terrible for you and your family. Just horrible. Hope you get your bikes back. Best of luck

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    yeah man sorry to hear about your loss. Have you tried to contact local shops? I hope all ends well for you. once agian sorry man.

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    As a guy who just landed his first Ti rig, which I now call my life bike, I can't tell you how much of a pit fall I felt going through this thread and thinking all is well. The fact that it came down to you no longer having it make me ill. I hope it works out. I had 3 bikes stolen a few years ago and through the due diligence of my local police force and some luck I got them back. I wish you the same luck and all the ill will in the world to the scum bag who took your dream rig. Good Luck and hopefully.....Ride on ma man.

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    Well, I have a replacement, not found either my stolen bike or the scumbags that did it. Hopefully it will turn up one day, either in the classifieds or something. I'm keeping a lookout on ebay etc.

    In the meantime I am hoping to keep this one somewhat longer, especially as there are no more of its ilk to be had even if I wanted one, so I guess in a weird way I am pretty lucky.

    The replacement is built up a little different, heavier duty, than the usual Jones type build but I like it so far.

    I've gone a bit overboard on the security and am a little paranoid now, but its probably normal, hopefully I'll get over it.

    Cheers for the support anyhow

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    glad you have another....but no pic to celebrate?

    So is it official....no more Merlin Jones?
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    No offence but i am not that keen on the looks but i would imagine it rides very well.Probably be a classic though.

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    doh.....what are doing posting on this thread then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidsuma

    So is it official....no more Merlin Jones?

    According to Jeff's blog, Merlin is no longer making any more frames:

    "Merlin informed us, after we had placed an order for more frame sets with them, that they wont be able to build for us anymore. They wont be building as many ti frames as before and wont be building anymore aftermarket frames. Unfortunately many of the people who were involved with the Jones frames are no longer employed there. I thank every one involved with the frames and those of you who bought one.. or more. The frames have been beautiful and Im glad we were able to make them available for the time that they were.
    Currently Im working on building up the last Merlin built frame sets into rolling chassis and bikes. We are also working on other options for productions Jones frames and parts."
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot
    Well, I have a replacement, not found either my stolen bike or the scumbags that did it. Hopefully it will turn up one day, either in the classifieds or something. I'm keeping a lookout on ebay etc

    The replacement is built up a little different, heavier duty, than the usual Jones type build but I like it so far.
    Pics of the new build please.

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    I'll post some pics soon whilst it's geared, switching to SS pretty soon.

    And as Yangpei and Mr Jones says..no more Merlin Jones, in fact at the moment, unless it's full custom with the associated wait, no more Ti spaceframes..

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    I need to take some arty ones with a decent camera, but here's a few during a very cold ride, everything froze up!




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    Oh you lucky man!...but what will the Oregon Originator come up with next?
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    Hmm dunno, Jeff is still helping me with set up and advice, top bloke. Steel truss fork and poss cro-mo spaceframe on the way, wonder what an 853 or even 953 frame would be like?

    Signed up for the Trans Provence now next September, looks wicked, don't think anyone has done the whole event rigid before...looks like the Saint brakes and crank will come in after all...


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    Should clarify, steel fork and frame not on the way to me!!!

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    hows your shifting? i thought white industries voids your warranty and doesnt reccomend shifting with that crank?

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    Pilot, Never thought I'd see Saint components on a Jones, but I'm glad you got yourself a replacement.

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    It is an unusual build

    I thought about it alot, especially since my previous went for the more usual fayre. But I wanted an easily SS crank, I had noticed that on some of the rocky terrain I grabbed the chainring on my old one, so a bashring was in order for that king of riding.

    The brakes add some 100g per wheel over say a lightweight xc setup like Hope X2 pro, but stop like you wouldn't believe, can't have too much brake in my view, especially on a Jones where you can use them so effectively because of that fork and the geometry.

    The double crank only adds 200g over lightweight carbon triples, similarly the rear mech, 70g I think over XTR but much more robust and importantly for me can be used with low ratio cassettes (For when I run 6 spd with a SS rear hub 15-25 or similar) or high like the 11-34 9spd on it.

    I'm already running Gordo's (not light but stable, stiff and wide) with the rampages or Weirwolfs so again not really light and also the Endomorph on the front. I saved more than the weight of the brakes and crank by putting a DH tube in the endomorph rather than the Surly tube.

    It will be SS for 6 months of the year so I lose the granny ring and bashring, mech etc.

    So overall like for like the Saint components add 1 1/4lb over a XC set up, can't get exited about that with all the advantages of wide wheels, mega brakes and robust components

    Plus I think it looks really cool and it needs to stand up to the stuff in the video link

    Weighs in at 27lb as built in the pics. It loses about 3lb I think going SS with the mech's cables, shifters, rings, cassette all biting the bullet, so 24lb.

    On the rear hub it's a Royce http://www.genisysconsulting.co.uk/royce-uk/hubs.htm not a White Industries and standard not eccentric as it has an EBB, they are very lovely British hubs from a very small engineering house, with a greasing system for the titanium freehub bearings using plungers and a drilled axle, so no crap gets in but it rolls forever. The finish on them has to be seen to be believed.

    Cliff is looking at producing a 135mm front cos he's exited about the bike and concept

    I'm trying to convince him to build a SS rear too based on the 9sp hub.

    I just need to keep hold of this one!

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    Looks like the Jones website is down? Anyone know whats up? Revamping w/ transition from having the Merlin made frames?

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    Jones website back up...

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    The website is back up, but the blog is still down.

    Having previously owned a Mones, can someone fill me in on their relationship at this point? People keep hinting towards a split between Jones and Merlin. Can someone confirm this?

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    Isn't Lynskey doing Ti frames for everybody now...

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    Merlin are no longer making frame for Jones, they're apparently concentrating on Carbon frames. Currently Jeff is looking for a new manufacturer .......... I'm not sure about Lynsky - there are some features on the Jones frames that Lynsky don't do - ie squashing the chainstays for tyre clearance - according to Brant anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing
    there are some features on the Jones frames that Lynsky don't do - ie squashing the chainstays for tyre clearance - according to Brant anyway.
    To clarify - in my discussions with Lynskey about my frames, they have said they don't like ovalising/indenting tubes excessively.

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    Yes, Lynskey prefers to twist their tubes as opposed to more traditional and proven tube manipulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xJAHx
    Yes, Lynskey prefers to twist their tubes as opposed to more traditional and proven tube manipulation.

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    Do they do that in house? Must be one hell of a machine to make those helical downtubes!

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    I have a question about the crudcatcher, what are the dimensions? Length and width at the widest point?
    Beautiful bike!

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    I spoke to Jeff the other night - he said he was making progress with finding a new manufacturer - and that he was building a steel spaceframe, hopefully he'll blog it soon.

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    Does anybody know the axle-to-crown distance of the truss-fork ?

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    Hey pilot, any new info on your stolen bike?

    Just read the whole thread and cannot imagine what I would do if my dream bike was taken from me!! Glad you got a replacement though.

    It's a good to be over-protective about your new ride, if these guys are still out there they will probably steal again!! Good luck and I hope you find your bike (or the scum bags) soon!!

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    about 440mm

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    steel version?
    that would be cool but I do like the Ti version.
    one of these days I will be force to buy one

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    I think they're actually 435mm Axle to Crown, same as his steel fork.

    jw

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    "And single-speeding 29ers are mountain biking's equivalent of Scientologists..." - Captain Dondo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yogii
    Hope your house is paid for, kids college education too.......
    Looks nice.
    Dude, cmon- You only live once. That's not cool.

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    I don't think you can buy a truss fork on it's own.

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    i know

    how's it all going with the Jonesy ya'll?

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    floorguy, no news I'm afraid, but even if I do get it back its not mine anymore, beongs to the insurers. I would try to buy it back to put it back into the hands of someone who really wanted it.

    Jeff put one of very similar spec to mine aside from the final Merlin batch so I managed to get one before production ceased. About 50 worldwide I think there are.

    Very happy with my current rig, looking to put a Surly Larry on it soon, the Saint kit works brilliantly, although not the lightest, the brakes are amazing on a 26lb bike, so much power and control.

    I'm singlespeeding it this weekend so I'll see what it weighs at that.

    Just di the Whinlatter challenge in the UK on it and it was great wih the big wheel.

    I'm doing the Trans Provence in October on it, 7 days across Provence, the first rigid bike to do it I think, that is pretty rocky I'm told, 10K of climbing and 28k of descending :-)
    http://www.trans-provence.com/route/overview
    http://www.trans-provence.com/gallery/videos

    SHould be alot of fun but I really need to get fit. The Jones should see a fair bit of racing this year actually, Keilder 100 over here in the UK, Dyfi Enduro, SITS 24 solo...

    I'll post some pics of it SS.

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    [QUOTE= About 50 worldwide I think there are.

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    Jeff said about 75 in total (Merlin made)

    here is one of the last, if not the last. Jeff is still putting it together and should go for a ride this weekend.
    Jones Spaceframe-12.jpg

    Jones Spaceframe-16.jpg

    Jones Spaceframe-17.jpg

    Jones Spaceframe-20.jpg

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