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    J vs. H vs. Mary

    Bought the origin8 spacebar several months ago and really liked it. Ended up abandoning it after seeing all the carnage from broken Marys and Spacebars. Now that the new space bar is out (off road edition) I am thinking of picking one up (still dirt cheap). Also wondering if I should swing for a Titec J or H bar (is the only difference the rise?). Wanted to get some input from people who have tried them and see what they suggest. Mine would be going on a monocog flight.

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    I've used all 3.

    So far the "J" bar is my favorite.

    The Mary has a decent range of hand positions and I like the angle of it. However it looks like it would work well with a handle-bar basket...

    The "H" bar was a step up in the hand positioning range but the extra bend in the bar made it difficult to mount stuff. It also gave a funky bar an even funkier aesthetic.

    Not that I ever pushed the envelope of an "H" Bar or Mary, but the 31.8mm dia of the "J" bar makes for a more rigid feel and gives an impression of greater control.

    YMMV

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    Had a regular mary and loved it.

    saw the broken bar pics and bought a chromo version.

    i abuse it and still love it...can't see why i'd need another bar.

    but i am not really that worried about the weight of my bike parts.
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    I have a J-bar and love it. Really seems to work well for me.
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    I only like the Mary inverted, though it's not my favorite...

    My current favorite is the Surly 1x1 Torsion Bar. It's steel, wide and properly flat as all bars should be. Stay classy yo.

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    I used a Mary for a couple years, and have been on the H for a month. I find the Mary's hand position spot on for comfort (mind you, I have narrow shoulders), I like the way it looks, and is 100g lighter than the H. But the H feels sturdier, has a better reputation for durability, and allows me to clamp my night light perfectly (my light mounts slightly crooked on the Mary, which annoys me). The H bar is the ugliest bar in production, IMO, and would love to get the J, but I need all the rise I can get. I might be tempted to go back to the Mary or try a spacebar if I was confident that it was durable. At 27 degrees, the Flo-wing is also on my radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    I have a J-bar and love it. Really seems to work well for me.
    Does one "have" to get a longer stem to use the J-Bar to compensate for the increased backsweep? I admit I think it's ugly as sin, but am open to suggestions for my rigid 29"er SS...I did like the Mary years ago. I remember looking at the Titec H bar and thinking it was just too ugly to look at. The H bar is "ok". I also thought about the Salsa ProMoto flat bars in 17 degree... If a longer stem is preferred, how much of an increase over where I am now (in mm's)? What's the recommended "down" angle of the bars? Questions, questions, questions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyescream
    Does one "have" to get a longer stem to use the J-Bar to compensate for the increased backsweep? I admit I think it's ugly as sin, but am open to suggestions for my rigid 29"er SS...I did like the Mary years ago. I remember looking at the Titec H bar and thinking it was just too ugly to look at. The H bar is "ok". I also thought about the Salsa ProMoto flat bars in 17 degree... If a longer stem is preferred, how much of an increase over where I am now (in mm's)? What's the recommended "down" angle of the bars? Questions, questions, questions...
    The h-bar has a bit of forward sweep while the j-bar does not. With the h-bar, you'd probably be fine w/your current stem, but the j-bar will likely require a longer stem.

    I tried a Salsa motoace 660mm X 17 degree bar and was frustrated by the lack of sweep I had gotten used to; it definitely needs a longer stem.

    The guy who designed the Mary Bar has a 31.8mm X 685mm X 25 degree riser bar here: http://www.ragleybikes.com/our-products/carnegies-bar/

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    I have used wide bars, narrow bars, ti H-bars and the J-bars all without any need to change the length of my stem.
    Currently running 700m wide Truvativ World Cup SS bars but am also playing with the idea of putting my J-bars back on.

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    Mary...

    What's the deal with the broken Mary's? Did On-One fix the problem? What was the problem? I've been running them for a couple of years now with no signs of cracks or other issues.....
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    The H-bar may not be much of a looker, but when you're riding one you won't be thinking about that. In fact, you won't be thinking about the bar at all. It just disappears, so to speak. Shifting from one hand position to another is effortless, and the main position is perfect for both sitting and standing up, either when climbing, cruising or descending.

    I'll keep saying that no other part has changed my riding so profoundly. Both comfort and confidence are seriously increased by the position of the H-bar.

    In case you're wondering, my previous bar was a 28" wide Azonic Double Wall DH bar - not exactly low on the confidence/sturdiness scale either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions
    What's the deal with the broken Mary's? Did On-One fix the problem? What was the problem? I've been running them for a couple of years now with no signs of cracks or other issues.....
    Get a Ragley Carnegie's Bar if you are concerned about breaking a Mary. 31.8mm clamp diameter and designed by Brant Richards for techy riding. Should be a bit more burly and tougher than a Mary.
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    Didn't need to extend the length of the stem, but did find I wanted the bar "up" a bit. I have a long torso, and for standing and climbing while on the "regular" grip position, I raised the stem by putting a fairly tall Salsa stem that still has about the same amount of forward reach to it. Comfy when I sit, perfect when I stand. Your fit and position requirements might be different than mine. I wanted the flat J-bar for the space to mount on the crossing bar, and I liked the aesthetics better than the H-bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Get a Ragley Carnegie's Bar if you are concerned about breaking a Mary. 31.8mm clamp diameter and designed by Brant Richards for techy riding. Should be a bit more burly and tougher than a Mary.
    Here's the lab test on the Carnegie's Bar.

    http://www.shedfire.com/2009/07/14/e...gie-test-pass/

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions
    What's the deal with the broken Mary's? Did On-One fix the problem? What was the problem? I've been running them for a couple of years now with no signs of cracks or other issues.....
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=373483

    As I understand, On-One stopped making them, Origin-8 advised riders to stop using their Mary-like Space Bar for off-road usage, and Origin-8's recent redesign is not as wide and only has 15 degrees of sweep.

    After 2 years of no problems on the Mary, I've retired it, and feel like I got my money's worth. I'm content with the offerings Titec has.

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    i run the "H" bar in the winter for base training. putting in longer miles and need the many hand positions that it offers. around feb. i throw the flat carbon bar on and go racing.

    i also run a fleegle on my SS for a wider bar, but am looking for a lighter replacement. the bar itself is fine and strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Get a Ragley Carnegie's Bar if you are concerned about breaking a Mary. 31.8mm clamp diameter and designed by Brant Richards for techy riding. Should be a bit more burly and tougher than a Mary.

    This begs the question..... Should I be concerned about breaking a Mary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions
    This begs the question..... Should I be concerned about breaking a Mary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkane
    Had a regular mary and loved it.

    saw the broken bar pics and bought a chromo version.

    i abuse it and still love it...can't see why i'd need another bar.

    but i am not really that worried about the weight of my bike parts.
    Am like you. Have a regular Mary and saw the broken bar pics.
    Have bought a Ti Black sheep but would need another one for a rigid bike.
    Would love the Chromo version.
    But where do you guys live ?
    I'm in Australia. On On-One's web site, bars are only 15.00 but shipment is 48.67.
    It is a joke, do they expect to sell anything ?
    I've had forks shipped from the UK for 12.00 !!!!!

    Checked the new distributor web site. Pretty minimalist. Drop us a line.
    Have done that months ago with no success !!!!
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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by brant
    Here's the lab test on the Carnegie's Bar.

    http://www.shedfire.com/2009/07/14/e...gie-test-pass/

    Brant-
    I've loved my mary bars I was one of the first one to order one here in the U.S. from England before any shops carried them over here.
    Now I can't wait to get a set of the Carnegie's Bar.
    Where is the best place to order from for delivery here in the USA?

    thanks!
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    I just ordered a Titec J-Bar from Mr. Jones himself, with his cork grip and tape wrap. Sure it was a little more expensive, but I know it will be done right. And he was able to answer all of my dumb questions about stem length!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions
    What's the deal with the broken Mary's? Did On-One fix the problem? What was the problem? I've been running them for a couple of years now with no signs of cracks or other issues.....

    I ran my Marys for 3 years with no issues, including 1-2 years with a rigid fork and several hard crashes. I weigh 210 and don't do crazy stuff, but i trust the bar. I have since moved on to H-bar and am now back with riser + barends, just to piss off the fashionistas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbchess
    Brant-
    I've loved my mary bars I was one of the first one to order one here in the U.S. from England before any shops carried them over here.
    Now I can't wait to get a set of the Carnegie's Bar.
    Where is the best place to order from for delivery here in the USA?

    thanks!
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    Help from the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by eric_syd
    I'm in Australia. On On-One's web site, bars are only 15.00 but shipment is 48.67.
    It is a joke, do they expect to sell anything ?
    I've had forks shipped from the UK for 12.00 !!!!!

    Checked the new distributor web site. Pretty minimalist. Drop us a line.
    Have done that months ago with no success !!!!
    Still no luck with these guys.

    Could someone on this forum source a Cromo Mary for me from the UK and ship it to Australia at a reasonable rate. I'd pay upfront by Paypal.

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    hey eric!

    email me at: [email protected] with your full address and stuff and I'll hook ya up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    I have a J-bar and love it. Really seems to work well for me.
    +1 - for rigid riding. I prefer the more traditional style bars for my dual suspension though.

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    Who has the Carnegie's with kevlar wrap?
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    if you are tring to buy some, look to Chain reaction cycles
    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=48240

    I've got a pair and they are great. I've run the alloy version for a good year or so and they are just like those but lighter. Only have a few rides on them so not sure about any improved comfort yet.
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    I have used all three as well. I didn't like the Mary bar, but I did like both the J and H bar. I recently swapped my bars for these gems from Groovy Cyclworks and they are now my favorite of all time. He makes them in an affordable steel version as well as Ti pictured here:

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    How do the Ti Luv Handles feel on the rigid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by worrptangl
    How do the Ti Luv Handles feel on the rigid?
    They have great shock absorption, but isn't flexy like a noodle.

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    I like my H bars but I have wrist problems. So I'm still trying to find a bar that doesn't bother imy wrists. I'm considering these bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worrptangl
    I like my H bars but I have wrist problems. So I'm still trying to find a bar that doesn't bother imy wrists. I'm considering these bars.
    You will like groovys. The bend is half of the H bars. Rody at groovy is easy to work with too.

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    Now should I go for the steel or the Ti? Lol

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