Loooong chainstays, that being said i'd like to throw my leg over one.... but for those who don't this is pretty neato...
Why do you like long chainstays? One of the reasons I've never really been into 29ers is that I can't pull up because the chainstays are too long. A 29er with short chainstays might actually be fun for me.
Why do you like long chainstays? One of the reasons I've never really been into 29ers is that I can't pull up because the chainstays are too long. A 29er with short chainstays might actually be fun for me.
I find that if the stays are longer and the bb a bit lower i fell inbetwwen the wheels vrs. on top of them.... Seems to help me climb techy stuff better... harder to pull up the front wheel doesn't seem to hinder me much...
I tend to gravitate to long 26er bikes as well, maybe its my short legs, long torso, and freakishly long arms
I am giddy. Giddy I tell you. Always wanted a Canfield back in my full sproing days, but it was always a dream. Now I can dream about a sweet 29er hardtail with short short CS and hot details. Thanks Canfield.
CS seems so short that keeping the front down on climbs would be a nightmare. Maybe not but appears that way. That is way shorter than most 26ers. Then again, it would be a wheelie machine that could be fun on some trails....not for me but this should make some short-CS fans happy.
Long chainstays are nice at speed over rough terrain and in fast corners, something I have in spades in my area.
Still, if I lived where there was a lot of wheelie drops and ledgy, rooty stuff to pop over, the Jabbers long front center and 17.75" CS length would be a chore.
Different strokes. Still, the proof is in the pudding, as they say, and I would love to try the Nimble 9 to see how it plays out.
CS seems so short that keeping the front down on climbs would be a nightmare. Maybe not but appears that way. That is way shorter than most 26ers. Then again, it would be a wheelie machine that could be fun on some trails....not for me but this should make some short-CS fans happy.
Chris took it out for a test ride yesterday and ended up riding it for quite a while. He said that he didn't have a problem keeping the front end down on climbs. Its a pretty fun bike to ride.
if it's got alot of bb drop, which it appears to in the photos, it won't be difficult keeping the front end down. and there are plenty of 26" hardtails in the 16.25" and under range. with more than 2" of bb drop, this *should* ride more stable than them. if, on the other hand, the bb drop is 1.5" or less, i would be interested. i need me a bike that's xc, but more play worthy.
Another DH related company releasing a HT. Yahoo If they took that DH Dorado fork off the Lenz play toy I'd be impressed with Can Diggle http://www.canfieldbrothers.com/products/can-diggle
and now I can giggle Definitely we need another Alu HT!
Every time I look at the seatstay/top tube intersection on the brown frame I can't help but picture a fresh piece of dog doo draped over the frame. Not saying I don't like the innovative design or the color, i just can't look at it any other way now
ooopps, forgot to list on the site that is bolted on. that block is remove-able so that it is nice and clean looking 29'er ss. you know the bro's got your back
Here is one of the frames built up.
I just got it built up today and have not got it on the trail yet.
Super short stays make wheelies fun on a 29er.
Easton wheels
Easton Carbon bars and ea70 stem
Raceface headset
xo rear mech and grip shift
Conti 29er tires
USE suspension post will be changed out for a Easton Ea70 post
I called Canfield, the price will be in the $900 range ...
that doesn't sound right. the canfield site just lists 'cro moly' tubing, nothing special. the 5.5 lb weight reinforces that perception of nothing special about the materials here.
maybe canfield is just fishing around for pricing, and threw out the 900 figure to see how many people would say 'no way in hell' before the final price is established.
Originally posted by bucksaw87
I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.
CS seems so short that keeping the front down on climbs would be a nightmare. Maybe not but appears that way. That is way shorter than most 26ers. Then again, it would be a wheelie machine that could be fun on some trails....not for me but this should make some short-CS fans happy.
Brian, you could do similar with an Astrix for geared at a third the price - short seat stays seems to be the goal here. For SS, I do not like the front derailleur apparatus, but it is a fine looking bike with a bit of a street cred name. Dial in rear sliders are cool - no issues there other than occasional squeak. Clean your bike body parts just like your mama told you to. Honestly though, there are lots of better custom builds out there in that price range. I know these guys have a downhill name, but their sticker won't make you faster. You could get a nice AZ custom frame to suit you well..look at Coconino....and pick up the 3rd water bottle mount.
The front block that holds the front mech on can be unbolted if you go single speed.
So that there just a small hole. You can see this on the small brown frame.
VM
I find that if the stays are longer and the bb a bit lower i fell inbetwwen the wheels vrs. on top of them.... Seems to help me climb techy stuff better... harder to pull up the front wheel doesn't seem to hinder me much...
You are on to something big there, that those who blindly follow the "conventional short chain stays are better wisdom" cannot see, or feel, or know. Just climb away in your lonely little world, so efficiently, so effortlessly, and known there are other weirdos out there giggling on those tough techy climbs like you.
"The physician heals, Nature makes well" - real fortune cookie
You are on to something big there, that those who blindly follow the "conventional short chain stays are better wisdom" cannot see, or feel, or know. Just climb away in your lonely little world, so efficiently, so effortlessly, and known there are other weirdos out there giggling on those tough techy climbs like you.
I agree with both of you, but with 70mm of BB drop, this would still be interesting to try.
Chris mentioned last year at Fruita FTF that they were working on this.
Wasn't sure if he was taking the p1ss or not at the time, but he was sounded really stoked about 29er performance.
Very cool to see it, but not so cool price.
I'll take one for a pedal when given the chance.....
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Every time I look at the seatstay/top tube intersection on the brown frame I can't help but picture a fresh piece of dog doo draped over the frame. Not saying I don't like the innovative design or the color, i just can't look at it any other way now
Ha, That was the first think I noticed on the frame as well. Wonder how long before someone nicknames their rig the "nimble turd"? Or perhaps they will get creative with photoshop who knows.
Think that for 900 Canfield is going to have a few sitting around the shop.
Love it, love it! I've been a Canfield mark since before I had my F1 (which I sold due strictly to it not getting used). Granted, when I opened the thread I had my hopes up for a 29er CanDiggle but I'd probably use this more since I'm so in love with my Lunchbox. My only problem with it is the ugly sliding dropouts (purely asthetics) but I'm going to have to keep my eyes on this.
"I'll disintegrate over time if I expect my body to try to keep up with my mind" -BM
I love the geometry, but $900 is like $300 too much for a non-853 taiwan frame. I would rather have a niner biocentric EBB than those sliding dropouts too...
i just talked with chris and he threw out the 900 price tag in the midst of a flurry of work. final pricing is not in yet, but expect the price tag to be south of 900. final is not in, so keep your eyes peeled for a real number in a little while.
What is old is new again. I have plans in my hand dated 9-19-99 showing a WTB designed bike for Gary Fisher that looks a heck of a lot like this that has a 16" chain stay spec.
Anyway.....cool rig, but I agree, that price is steep for a non-custom frame.
What is old is new again. I have plans in my hand dated 9-19-99 showing a WTB designed bike for Gary Fisher that looks a heck of a lot like this that has a 16" chain stay spec.
Anyway.....cool rig, but I agree, that price is steep for a non-custom frame.
10 years...
Would you say that a lot has changed in terms of wheelsize options since, or rather too little, considering the impact on riders who make the switch? Gary's opinion (and I keep repeating it as people forget, he was a UCI XC World Champ not too long before this) seems to have made op his 29" opinion on this first bike. WTB chose the Nanoraptor tread for the first 29" tire, as I read, since it was the current favorite 26" WTB tire for racerboy Gary, and it would offer good XC performance comparison this way.
Lance - nice to see you post to this. I am glad after all these years of talking about a 29" frame you have come out with this frame.
To all out there - this frame may not be right for all, but for those that do get them (and get what Lance has designed) it will be great. Lance has been around the 29" scene since at least 2003 - he knows what he is trying to do here.
Although the Canfield name has been about DH and FR to this point - both brothers have ridden many many thousands of XC miles getting to the trails, and just riding around. While Lance worked with me in Grand Junction for White Brothers we did a great number of rides over the course of 3 years on more 29" wheeled bikes than I care to remember - no one bike will ever be perfect for eveyone - but this is a new option that ironically has not been produced so far - and might just answer a few riders desires.
Also - remember that the diffence between standard cro-mo and things like 853, and other higher end tubes, is a few dollars and ounces in the raw form - there are a lot of other things, even in Taiwan, that can honestly drive the price of a frame up - wait until they finalize the prices before you make your decision on what you can afford.
Wow - I just realized I haven't posted here for something like 5 years...I've been riding my bikes instead.
Rode one for a bit at the outdoor demo.... I think canfeild was doing a bit of underground marketing at thge demo...
Well anyhoo took a spin on the 29er. I'm very impressed! if you have had trouble wheeling a 29er your problems are solved with this rig. A bit hard to keep the front end down on techy climbing but not as bad as i was expecting. And on the down hill this bike really liked to be in the air (dare I say flickable?)
Would love to own one even if it was just a play bike....
Rode one for a bit at the outdoor demo.... I think canfeild was doing a bit of underground marketing at thge demo...
Well anyhoo took a spin on the 29er. I'm very impressed! if you have had trouble wheeling a 29er your problems are solved with this rig. A bit hard to keep the front end down on techy climbing but not as bad as i was expecting. And on the down hill this bike really liked to be in the air (dare I say flickable?)
Would love to own one even if it was just a play bike....
what fork was on the demo? reba 120? beefy tires? short stem?
Originally posted by bucksaw87
I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.
besides the fugly braze-on that is a nice looking frame
so you read arkadi's post, but didn't read the response directly under it from canfield?:
ooopps, forgot to list on the site that is bolted on. that block is remove-able so that it is nice and clean looking 29'er ss. you know the bro's got your back
I'd like to see canfield post a photo of the frame w/ the FD mount removed so we can see if /how clean it does look.
I also suspect that until canfield does post a photo, there will be a million mtbr posters saying 'i'd buy it if it weren't for that ugly braze on'.
Originally posted by bucksaw87
I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.
With all due respect to what might be a kick-ass frame, but that brown looks completely fugly.... the black one on the blog and the grey one posted earlier look real nice though! Especially the grey.
EMD9, drop-bar Bandersnatch, Surly LHT, a couple of Ridleys ... and a lot more bruises than can be counted
Ha, That was the first think I noticed on the frame as well. Wonder how long before someone nicknames their rig the "nimble turd"? Or perhaps they will get creative with photoshop who knows.
That's funny because you were asking for them to let you ride one for the SSWC's. I think you are still upset about that when you got laughed at but if that made you feel better (to take your cheap shot) more power to you I guess.
Originally Posted by crux
Think that for 900 Canfield is going to have a few sitting around the shop.
Well the price remains to be seen but your comment is funny and yet hypocritical all at the same time? This statement does not make sense from someone who has some of the most expensive hardtails I have ever seen. Now if you could actually ride any of your bikes worth a crap then you would have more credibility locally and on this forum.
Tell you what since you are into throwing rocks. When I get my Nimble 9 built up you can bring out your most expensive TI hardtail. We will go to every technical roller, drop, jump and climb in the north and south foothills. When the day is done you can tell me what you think of the bike then, agreed?
This looks like a bike for those with great bike handling skills. I Can't wait to try one, though I doubt I can take it to its full potential. Short chain stays and bent seat stays are exactly what I would design into a custom bike.
Is there enough vertical compliance for a 150lb guy? Has anyone beat on it yet? I mean if its built for a 200lb dirt jumper, then it would be too stiff for me.
That's my biggest question too: what's the ride like? I'm shopping for an endurance event/trail 29er for next season and I haven't decided on a hardtail or an XC FS. I've got a nice custom Strong that was built when I was fitter (and skinnier) and is feeling a bit too "racey" lately and a Lunchbox that's the go-to bike but probably too much to ride in the Butte 100 next year. This frame is getting close to my targets if it has a bit of compliance in the ride.
"I'll disintegrate over time if I expect my body to try to keep up with my mind" -BM
My weight is 150 lbs and I've been riding it for a couple months now. My impressions of the ride are that if feels stiff while pedaling and at lower speeds but once I get moving quickly, the rear feels softer on bigger hits and G-outs. It feels like the right amount of compliance vertically, because of the radial chainstays. One thing to think about is that as the frame size gets bigger, the seat stays have less leverage to allow them to bend. So the smaller bike will feel softer than the large frame. I like the medium size for me at 150 but I think it would be good for anyone up to atleast 200. I'll be doing some testing in november to evaluate the weight it takes to deflect the rear a given amount. I'll keep you up to date on the results.
Excellent, thanks for the reply Lance. It looks like I'd probably choose the medium to dial in the fit and I'm much much closer to 200 than to 150 so it'd probably give my tush some cush. I'll stay tuned in for the final SRP.
"I'll disintegrate over time if I expect my body to try to keep up with my mind" -BM
When I get my Nimble 9 built up you can bring out your most expensive TI hardtail. We will go to every technical roller, drop, jump and climb in the north and south foothills. When the day is done you can tell me what you think of the bike then, agreed?
Excellent.......this kind of HT has my interest ! Not interested in an ornament to show off to the E crowd but a frame that will be durable and lots of fun to ride ! TIG.
One thing to think about is that as the frame size gets bigger, the seat stays have less leverage to allow them to bend. So the smaller bike will feel softer than the large frame.
This just seems counter-intuitive to me. So I'm confused. I thought a smaller triangle would be stiffer and stronger, and therefor have less compliance than a larger triangle with similar tubes.
This just seems counter-intuitive to me. So I'm confused. I thought a smaller triangle would be stiffer and stronger, and therefor have less compliance than a larger triangle with similar tubes.
Anybody?
I think what Lance means is that as the seat tube increases, the seat stay goes up at more of an angle on the larger frames and the force from the axle to the saddle is more direct.
Originally Posted by buddhak
And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.
I think what Lance means is that as the seat tube increases, the seat stay goes up at more of an angle on the larger frames and the force from the axle to the saddle is more direct.
So a 23" frame rides stiffer than a 15" frame given the same tubing? Not likely.
Regardless of angles, the tube stretched out over many more inches seems like it's going to flex more. Doesn't it?
I think the whole "compliant, but stiff thing" in hardtails is overrated anyway.
Overrated? Yes.
Significant? Yes again.
I've owned many hardtails, all had/have different compliance and stiffness.
Bianchi Siss - Super compliant and not stiff at all. Tire rubbed stays under load. Stays broke after 3 weeks.
Surly 1x1 - Not as compliant, but comfy, and much stiffer, although I detected some flex under pedaling loads. Broke after 3 months at stays.
Surly Instigator - rode like the 1x1 with weird geo. Sold it.
Vulture customs steel - this 8lb hardtail employed tandem tubing in the stays and massive tubes everwhere else but the seat stays. Had zero BB flex and zero detectable frame flex while the ride was similar in comfort to the 1x1. Sold after 4 years. Still being ridden by a 250lb dude here on MTBR.
DeSalvo ti - rode like a jackhammer. Kidneys would bleed!. Zero comfort and zero frame flex. Incredible stiff. Sold it after 2 years.
Quiring ti - soft like silk ride and very little BB flex if any. This is the best hardtail frame ever!
Good to know. I am not a hardtail snob by any means. My Ventana was stiff, My Fisher was stiffer, but I liked both with a suspension fork up front. My Zion is flexy and I like riding it rigid. Monkey was sort of in between
Regardless, and back on topic: The Canfield's geometry looks very fun and mine is on pre-order.
Originally Posted by buddhak
And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.
A radial seat stay bend is there to encourage the SS tube to bend. The force on the wheel is either vertival (up) or tangant (up and back). This force in relation to the SS is the leverage applied to the tube. For arguments sake, If your SS tube is in line with the force, it will have no leverage to bend the tube. However if the tube was at 90 degrees to the force, it would have max leverage to bend the tube. So a smaller frame, the SS sits at more of an angle (attaches lower) so it requires less force to get it to bend.
Padre - your right, the longer the tube is, the easier it will bend, like a coil spring. The longer the wire the softer the spring. Imagine if you had a really long shock with a straight wire, no coils, it wouldn't want to bend no mater the wire length, it has no leverage. Same idea, reduce the leverage angle to stiffen the ride. Basic geometric force manipulation.
I don't understand the seat stays wrapping around the seat tube. All the force from rear end hits will be pulling on those welds. Wouldn't it be far more effective to weld to the back of the seat tube?
The force is going to pull on the welds either way. I wraped the tubes over the TT for the look but also to increase the length of weld. Stiff connection to force the tube to bend instead of overloading the weld.
We where in Moab for the HoDown. Charged the Nimble 9 on Porc rim and a couple other burly rides. Loving that thing, really fun to ride tech trails.
We got pricing but we aren't happy with where it puts retail. We are trying a couple things to get where we want to be.
Enel - The Nimble 9 will fit the biggest tires made at 16.5" chainstay. If you go shorter it needs to be a 2.25 or smaller. I've been riding mud alot lately with a Racing Ralph 2.25" at 16.5" cs, never drags or piles up with mud. It has about 1/2" of clearance setup like that.
Thanks for the input Ike-
We don't have pricing yet or a ETA-
Sorry guys- we are still working on getting them made-
Lance is in Taiwan now-
We are shooting for around 550.00-
cheers
Chris
We don't have pricing yet or a ETA-
Sorry guys- we are still working on getting them made-
Lance is in Taiwan now-
We are shooting for around 550.00-
cheers
Chris
That would be one mighty attractive pricepoint IMHO.
I find that if the stays are longer and the bb a bit lower i fell inbetwwen the wheels vrs. on top of them.... Seems to help me climb techy stuff better... harder to pull up the front wheel doesn't seem to hinder me much...
I tend to gravitate to long 26er bikes as well, maybe its my short legs, long torso, and freakishly long arms
We don't have pricing yet or a ETA-
Sorry guys- we are still working on getting them made-
Lance is in Taiwan now-
We are shooting for around 550.00-
cheers
Chris
$550????!!!!
And I was so ready to write this frame off due to cost.
Things just got complicated. (And very interesting)
Great looking frame. I really like the direct mount steup (I just wish Shimano would make a 22-36t small cage version), and while the minimum chainstay length is a little short for my liking, I am going to have to try and not purchase one of these frames. The geometry seems very Karate Monkey-ish (yeah yeah I know 100mm fork, shorter chainstays, touch longer top tube on the 15") but those are things that interest me greatly after spending some time on my Karate Monkey. Get that pricing figured out and let us know. I'm not signing up for 2 or 3, but I'd definitely take 1!
Yep who takes my details? One for me in black large ooo maybe grey maybe both.
How about shipping to the uk? This frame could be the perfect Scottish highlands hardcore 29er hardtail. Well until I get my Wolfhound.
So are we still looking at January? Or has that slipped?
The Nimble 9 will fit the biggest tires made at 16.5" chainstay. If you go shorter it needs to be a 2.25 or smaller. I've been riding mud alot lately with a Racing Ralph 2.25" at 16.5" cs, never drags or piles up with mud. It has about 1/2" of clearance setup like that.
flymybike- What width rim are you running with the RR tire? Has anyone tried a 35-38mm rim with say a Rampage, Ardent 2.4, or RR 2.4?
"I ride to clear my head, my head is clearer when I'm riding SS. Therefore, I choose to ride SS."~ Fullrange Drew
I have read it. One would hope that upon return from Taiwan there would be a confirmed price and a more solid delivery time frame. I wasn't trying to be dumb. It was a legitimate bump to the thread in hopes of dredging up some news.
The UGLIEST frame I've ever seen! What's up with those seatstays? Poop brown is a great color too!
I have to agree. I like the brown though. And the BB area just looks ugly and out of place.
I do like the full length housing guides. But the one piece seat stay has gotta go. And the front mech? Why not just use clamp on like the rest of the world.
I emailed Canfield and they have a preoder list for anyone interesting in first dibbs. I am so tempeted but need to sell my other frame before the wife oks more bikes.
I like to ride Bikes. This might be turning into an obsession, not sure?
nitrousjunky, I haven't tried any rims that wide, thats wider than my DH wheels but I assume your looking to run it as a snow bike..? It'll fit all the normal big tires but I haven't tried a Nokian 3.0. Don't think that'll fit. 2.4 tires fit fine on my 28mm rim.
We are looking good to be hitting the $550 mark. Delivery is still very much up in the air. We have had dates given to us but I know how this works and I'm not ready to put it out there because there is always delays in my experience.
I've heard a few comments on the chainstays looking out of place. I though it looked cool when I drew it, it could be changed out for a more conventional setup (and easier and cheaper to make!) but does anyone like it. Lets hear it. I can want to make you happy, I already have one! haha Straight into the seat tube looks nice and clean and is requires less cuts.
jmadams13 - The BB is in the right spot trust me, I think the seat tube is throwing you off. If you want a long chainstay you can have a normal look. The Shimano direct mount front derailleur is the reason you get a short chainstay, if you did a normal tube clamp derailleur it would be touching the tire at 17.4 unless you bend the seat tube and then it's not to spec and wouldn't be right. (although it does work on the Paradox). FYI - if you've ever set up a direct mount, you would never go back to a tube clamp, there is no trial and error (mostly error) just one bolt and it's perfect. Tube clamps suck!
Most of the response to aesthetics are referring to the the TT-SS junction. Not much strife about the chainstays. The seatstays are reminiscent of how my old GT Performer was built. Only negative about that configuration is that if you lean your knees in when cornering sometimes you will hit the tubes. My vote is to roll it out as it is
I've heard a few comments on the chainstays looking out of place. I though it looked cool when I drew it, it could be changed out for a more conventional setup (and easier and cheaper to make!) but does anyone like it. Lets hear it. I can want to make you happy, I already have one! haha Straight into the seat tube looks nice and clean and is requires less cuts.
Keep it. It looks great. Distinctive too. I'm eying one for spring... Who wants to buy a,,, ahhh, never mind...
I truely hope Canfield sells a ton of these HT's.......then maybe they with make the Sauce 29er or better yet the One29er...now that would get me all wet!....you guys can have the HT's!!
I've heard a few comments on the chainstays looking out of place. I though it looked cool when I drew it, it could be changed out for a more conventional setup (and easier and cheaper to make!) but does anyone like it. Lets hear it. I can want to make you happy, I already have one! haha Straight into the seat tube looks nice and clean and is requires less cuts.
While I agree that straight in looks clean, it would cost the frame some identity. I like it as it is. The chainstays and direct mount f-der are sick.
Currently I am a crankset and a frame away from having all the parts for a new 29er. With a 120mm Reba waiting around I would prefer something designed around a longer fork. Currently that leaves me with a FS frame, the Nimble, or the Banshee Paradox. Out of those options I am pulling for the Nimble
nitrousjunky, I haven't tried any rims that wide, thats wider than my DH wheels but I assume your looking to run it as a snow bike..? It'll fit all the normal big tires but I haven't tried a Nokian 3.0. Don't think that'll fit. 2.4 tires fit fine on my 28mm rim.
Nope, not a snow bike (could be this week though). I've ran 38mm Kris Holm rims with Rampages on my last 2 rigid/ss bikes. No way I'll go back to a more narrow rim on a rigid/ss ever again (unless maybe if I ever raced one). Could you give us a inside chainstay measurement so we'll know if fatter will fit?
If my memory serves correct my set measures 60-62mm at the widest point.
"I ride to clear my head, my head is clearer when I'm riding SS. Therefore, I choose to ride SS."~ Fullrange Drew
I agree that the design is different. Having a different design does offer some identity. And will be a positive for some and a negative for others. For me I think it is a positive. But the most important thing is, how does it ride?
I agree that the design is different. Having a different design does offer some identity. And will be a positive for some and a negative for others. For me I think it is a positive. But the most important thing is, how does it ride?
We have been riding the protos since summer and they ride very well. I stopped ridding my Sauce and was just ridding the 29 for the most part. So far its been fun ridding a hardtail again. VM
We have been riding the protos since summer and they ride very well. I stopped ridding my Sauce and was just ridding the 29 for the most part. So far its been fun ridding a hardtail again. VM
So how long until we see the Sauce 29??? Canfield would expand their market/company by 10 fold...
I think the wrap around stays are neat. Takes more skill/machining than two seperate stays... and if it's welded/brazed all the way around, one could make the arguement that the joint would be pretty strong due to the extended joint...
[QUOTE=metelhead]So how long until we see the Sauce 29??? Canfield would expand their market/company by 10 fold...[/QUOT
Chris and Lance don't build a lot of frames each year so they are growing slow. Thats kind of they way they want it. A sauce 29er would be great but you don't need 6 inches of travel on a 29er. Maybe they will do it but they don't have any plans to build one for now.
VM
So how long until we see the Sauce 29??? Canfield would expand their market/company by 10 fold...[/QUOT
Chris and Lance don't build a lot of frames each year so they are growing slow. Thats kind of they way they want it. A sauce 29er would be great but you don't need 6 inches of travel on a 29er. Maybe they will do it but they don't have any plans to build one for now.
VM
thanks. I need a 6 inch 29er much more than I need another HT....either way a Sauce 29 would rock!
Is there a shot from the back of the frame? I'd like to see what the stays look like and how the sliders are mounted.
Do the top of the sliders ride under a shoulder? I can't tell if the boss that the bolt heads rest on is raised or if the frame/dropout is offset inward near the top to provide a shoulder for the moving dropouts to slide against. A picture from the back would go a long way here.
The sliders have 2 posts inside of the dropouts and a tension screw with a nylock to lock it in place- The 2 outer bolts are on the surface.
I have been rocking a SS setup since interbike with no slipping.
Check out this vid from a snow ride I did a month ago in Utah-
My setup is a Racing Ralph 2.4 at about 16.5" chainstay length.
I shot this to show the tire clearance in bad conditions. That tire is the biggest out- at 14.5" from the axle to edge of the tire- Same as the WTB dissent DH-
Thanks for the info Chris. I think the wrapped seatstay looks good. The side shot makes it look kinked, but your Interbike youtube video shows a nicely swept radius. It's both functional and distinctive - nice touch. Glad to hear about the non-slippage ... always a good thing.
I'm definitely interested in this frame. I'm a big fan of short stays, big rubber, and getting as much BB drop as the law permits. The ability to run geared or SS is icing on the cake.
Nope, not a snow bike (could be this week though). I've ran 38mm Kris Holm rims with Rampages on my last 2 rigid/ss bikes. No way I'll go back to a more narrow rim on a rigid/ss ever again (unless maybe if I ever raced one). Could you give us a inside chainstay measurement so we'll know if fatter will fit?
If my memory serves correct my set measures 60-62mm at the widest point.
It has 72mm inside clearance minimum so you should be good.
Thanks for all the input on the seatstays, I didn't want something little like that have people be turned off. Cheers
Any thoughts on the color line up? We like the grey and black, brown is up in the air...
Since you asked, how about a color, like red, yellow, orange, maybe green, or something. Of the three colors originally slated I most preferred the brown. Anyways, I'm looking forward to getting one of these frames, regardless of color. I love the way 29ers roll, but hate the way they handle... now is that a function of wheel size? or frame geometry? I plan on answering that question soon!
I love the way 29ers roll, but hate the way they handle... now is that a function of wheel size? or frame geometry? I plan on answering that question soon!
...the pilot's ability to adapt to change in wheel size.
Any thoughts on the color line up? We like the grey and black, brown is up in the air...
Black, White, Orange are my favs. If you offered orange, it would be a tough call between that and the black. Of your current choices, Black definitely.
Originally Posted by buddhak
And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.
Nooo! I certainly wouldn't buy one if it meant buying new forks as well!!!!
You would not need a new fork. The tapered HT allows you the option of running a standard 1 1/8th or a tapered fork. I would use it likely with 1 1/8, but forks are going this direction, and the option is good.
All you would need new compared to your current ride is a new headset lower cup and race.
Originally Posted by buddhak
And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.
You would not need a new fork. The tapered HT allows you the option of running a standard 1 1/8th or a tapered fork. I would use it likely with 1 1/8, but forks are going this direction, and the option is good.
All you would need new compared to your current ride is a new headset lower cup and race.
Yup! Tapered head tubes tighten up the handling nicely. That would be a good thing on this frame.
I started looking around and the wrapped around seat stay thing was a popular deal with old steel road bikes. I've got a Raleigh fixie that has that feature.
Colors? Meh! Orange is good. But Purple now......that's a color! Too bad it isn't an option.
Black, silver, and white never go out of style. Red and Orange are good backup colors.
I hadn't noticed the missing ISCG mount. Kind of a big oversight on a modern AM hardtail. Not sure if I will ever run a hammerschmidt, but I would like my frame to have that option. It's also helpful for taco style bash guards or chainguides for 1x9 setups. I would like this feature thrown in and the price to stay about the same, naturally At this point in time this isn't a deal breaker. Since this is steel any number of builders could add an ISCG to it down the road if I absolutely needed it
Fug the tapered head tube I will take my 1-1/8th and $30 CC S-3 and happily ride off into the sunset oblivious to my "inferior" non-tapered steerer
Is it January yet? Are you guys going to do any pre-orders?
We are putting a pre-order list together for them- Just email me with your size and color choice.
As for the Seat stays rapping around the toptubes- they are welding at the top into a cool looking point.
I saw the bike in person on Sunday and the wrap around seat junction looks cool. At first I thought it was rounded and bent around but it welds at a point as you can see in the pic Chris posted above.
Nice bike! I really like the idea of a steel HT built up for trail riding and not just XC stuff, can't wait to ride one in its element.
I like the blue idea also, how about a nice green. I just need to get the ok for another bike build and I will get on the list.
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I like to ride Bikes. This might be turning into an obsession, not sure?
Chris left for taiwan on the first to oversee production on the Jedi's and Lance is back up in Jackson. Maybe Lance can give a update when he checks the post.
As for action shots we have to much snow to ride. Plus with only 6 bikes out there not to may people are ridding them.
Vaughn
I'm curious if any changes were made to the derailleur mounting "block" on the frame, or if anyone has a close-up picture of the frame with the block removed. Anyone?
Any thoughts on the color line up? We like the grey and black, brown is up in the air...
If I had it my way, I'd love to see more of a charcoal metallic instead of the plain grey... I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I also second the votes for some vivid shades like red, orange, green, and blue. I suppose white would be ok too since it seems to be the "in" thing.
Sweet frame... can't wait to get my hands on one!
"America is all about speed... Hot, nasty, badass speed!!!"
Cool. Not looking for any images in particular, just biding time
Any L prototypes floating around for a "stack" and "reach" measurement?
Another prototype question. What forks have you guys tried out and what are you favoring for travel?
Yeah i'm trying gauge size to i've got my eye on a large (with 50mm stem, inline post)
At 6'2"
Anybody got any thoughts on sizing? I know it's got a pretty long tt but thats at full extension.
I want it to be nimble but i wanna ride it all day without my back breaking.
Yep, sizing is the one thing that has me a bit shy on this frameset. Going by TT length alone it is the same size as my 26er, but I think stack and reach would be a bit different. FWIW, my previous 29ers have had over 25in TT and over 90-110mm stems. Of course they drove like a truck around the switchbacks I am hoping I can run with an 85mm stem on this build and a setback post to get the reach I need for comfort. Sometimes it sucks being 6'3" with a 33in inseam. Not many companies make a frame that is long enough for my torso and arms.
My slalom setup bikes have always been mid 23in Eff.TT, but they were not comfortable to sit and pedal for any length of time. Great for mobility and flicking, but not for trail riding.
Yep, sizing is the one thing that has me a bit shy on this frameset. Going by TT length alone it is the same size as my 26er, but I think stack and reach would be a bit different. FWIW, my previous 29ers have had over 25in TT and over 90-110mm stems. Of course they drove like a truck around the switchbacks I am hoping I can run with an 85mm stem on this build and a setback post to get the reach I need for comfort. Sometimes it sucks being 6'3" with a 33in inseam. Not many companies make a frame that is long enough for my torso and arms.
My slalom setup bikes have always been mid 23in Eff.TT, but they were not comfortable to sit and pedal for any length of time. Great for mobility and flicking, but not for trail riding.
Chris and Lance are both over 6' 2" and are riding Large frames. Me and my brother are 5' 10" and are on Meds. I have a friend on the small and he is 5' 5 or so. So I am on the same size as a 26 inch wheeled bike.
Vaughn
Chris and Lance are both over 6' 2" and are riding Large frames.
Good for a data point I suppose. Physiology does come into play though. My short leg and long torso build is not the same as someone with long legs and regular torso length. I am somewhat jealous of those with normal or short torso builds. They can run all these great 50-70mm AM stems. Me, I get to dig around for a 100mm or longer stem in order to be comfortable on anything under 25in in TT length
Sometimes it sucks being 6'3" with a 33in inseam...
Me, I get to dig around for a 100mm or longer stem in order to be comfortable on anything under 25in in TT length
I feel your pain, brother. At 6'4" with a 34in inseam, I will be seriously pushing it to fit on the Large. I'm hoping that a setback post and a 100-110mm stem will do the trick. I'm currently on a 21" Inbred (25.2" ETT) with a 90mm stem, so I'm giving up quite a bit of TT length for those uber-short stays.
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"America is all about speed... Hot, nasty, badass speed!!!"
Good for a data point I suppose. Physiology does come into play though. My short leg and long torso build is not the same as someone with long legs and regular torso length. I am somewhat jealous of those with normal or short torso builds. They can run all these great 50-70mm AM stems. Me, I get to dig around for a 100mm or longer stem in order to be comfortable on anything under 25in in TT length
are you running 710 mm bars? back in the day, i too had to ride bikes w/ 25 inch ETT's, but as i migrated to wider bars I can now comfortably ride bikes w/ ETTs in the 24 inch range...with 70 mm stems. i'm 6' 3" with long arms, and average torso/leg ratio.
Originally posted by bucksaw87
I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.
re: tapered head tube -- sure, it's a no brainer for an alu frame (tapered HT tubing is readily available, and light; and with a large diameter alu downtube, the DT/HT junction is big and stiff w/ a tapered HT) and banshee screwed up by not having a tapered HT since it would have preserved compatibility w/ current and future forks.
BUT for steel frames, i'm not sure it's a no brainer. first off -- are tapered HT's readily available in steel? I don't recall seeing any. I've seen 1.5 HTs but those have been very rare, and heavy.
My extra fork is a new 120 travel thru axle minute, 1.125 ST, so I'm fine w/ the current nimble 9 headtube.
Originally posted by bucksaw87
I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.
I either run 685mm or 710mm bars. I have even used 730mm Woodman trials bars in the past. While the uber-wide bars are cool and feel great, they are detrimental on the tight sapling and brush lined trails I ride.
I agree on the steel and non-tapered headtube. I too am chilling with a 1.125in fork and have no interest in embracing a new headtube standard at the moment.
I feel your pain, brother. At 6'4" with a 34in inseam, I will be seriously pushing it to fit on the Large. I'm hoping that a setback post and a 100-110mm stem will do the trick. I'm currently on a 21" Inbred (25.2" ETT) with a 90mm stem, so I'm giving up quite a bit of TT length for those uber-short stays.
Yep, my last FS bikes were 25.3 and 25.4 eTT running 90mm stems. My ht 29er was 25.3eTT and I ran it with a 110mm stem. Over the last few years I have been more and more comfortable on longer frames. However from pre2005 I was was happy riding XL Chameleons with a 24.0 eTT, straight post, and about a 100mm stem. I haven't grown since. Might just be a case of needing to readjust to a shorter frame/setup. It was weird coming off a 25.3in 29er and onto a 24.5in 26er, but I have adjusted.
A few pictures of a fun and unique ride I did a few weeks ago.
Cool. That bike looks a bit on the small side for sure. That and you are super lanky
So that's what 6'2" looks like on the L. Hmmm.
Any chance of getting a stack&reach measurement? How about saddle tip to center of the bars on that bike?
Sorry for being a pest, but I am trying to talk myself into a size that is a bit shorter than I would normally consider. Basically this type of frame and geo is begging for a short stem. Typically on this short of a tt I would be on a 100-115mm stem. Not too many options in this genre of frame. It is either this or the Banshee. They have an XL, but that thing really looks stiff.
Any comment on the BB drop? Seems like most shoot for somewhere in the 40-60mm range. 70mm definitely takes the cake for max bb drop.
while we're on the topic, can canfield clarify exactly how they are measuring ETT and effective seat tube angle? the reason I ask is because the site says "Top Tube Length (effective at full extension) – 24.5 (Lg), 23.75” (Med.), 23” (Sm)".
the normal method for spec'ing ETT is to measure horizontally, center to center, from the top of the head tube to the seat post location on that horizontal. the phrase 'full extension' means what, exactly?
Originally posted by bucksaw87
I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.
Any comment on the BB drop? Seems like most shoot for somewhere in the 40-60mm range. 70mm definitely takes the cake for max bb drop.
the 70 mm is relative to a 480 mm A to C fork. I think a lot of use will be running a much longer fork...in my case, the 120 travel Minute has a 530 A to C, which means 1/3 x .9 X 50 = 15 mm higher, approx, than nominal, i.e. a BB drop of 55 mm...
added to that is the fact that AM build kits w/ this frame will likely use some of the bigger volume tires that have become available (I will be), so having a healthy amt of bb drop is good thing there.
Originally posted by bucksaw87
I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.
Hey everyone-
We are leaning towards-
gloss black
some kind of metallic silver
and a bright blue- on the lighter side-
We have 50 frames coming out first with those colors-
and 50 more a couple of months after that- in which we are talking about doing
3 bright colors- ie- M&M green-orange- and maybe white-
We got a bit of time before we decide- so suggest away- Cause we are building these frames for you-
We tend to like the more low key colors- like a back ground for a canvas. So that you can bling it out with colored parts- ei- headsets and cranks and bars- but bright colors look so good with the small cromo tubes-
And can I say- MAN I LOVE THOSE D-MOUNT FD's= they shift so crisp and smooth.
chris
PS- lance and I are 6'1"
Yep, sizing is the one thing that has me a bit shy on this frameset. Going by TT length alone it is the same size as my 26er, but I think stack and reach would be a bit different. FWIW, my previous 29ers have had over 25in TT and over 90-110mm stems. Of course they drove like a truck around the switchbacks I am hoping I can run with an 85mm stem on this build and a setback post to get the reach I need for comfort. Sometimes it sucks being 6'3" with a 33in inseam. Not many companies make a frame that is long enough for my torso and arms.
My slalom setup bikes have always been mid 23in Eff.TT, but they were not comfortable to sit and pedal for any length of time. Great for mobility and flicking, but not for trail riding.
6' 2" with 33" pants, 34.5 " rider's inseam and on a medium Paradox with 50 stem (30" bars), saddle back the rails.
This sounds extreme (& probably is), and I only got here after Devin Lenz made me the wrong size bike. Only realised after 2 months of riding it he had sent a medium instead of (Lenz sized) XL! I was loving the sizing so much I went for the same with the Banshee, which was a leap of faith, but has worked out fine (same bars & stem combo)
I look a bit like flymybike on my 29er's, which on the siting up shot looks a little strange. But see how he looks fine in the charging through the creek shot when he's over the bike.
Anyway, I'm just feeling your agony trying to decide, and truly hope this helps
the 70 mm is relative to a 480 mm A to C fork. I think a lot of use will be running a much longer fork...in my case, the 120 travel Minute has a 530 A to C, which means 1/3 x .9 X 50 = 15 mm higher, approx, than nominal, i.e. a BB drop of 55 mm...
added to that is the fact that AM build kits w/ this frame will likely use some of the bigger volume tires that have become available (I will be), so having a healthy amt of bb drop is good thing there.
while we're on the topic, can canfield clarify exactly how they are measuring ETT and effective seat tube angle? the reason I ask is because the site says "Top Tube Length (effective at full extension) – 24.5 (Lg), 23.75” (Med.), 23” (Sm)".
the normal method for spec'ing ETT is to measure horizontally, center to center, from the top of the head tube to the seat post location on that horizontal. the phrase 'full extension' means what, exactly?
That is a bit confusing. With the offset seat tube, it required a decision on how to locate the proper seat location.
What we did is based on seat height and effective seat angle, we found the seat location. So for a medium frame with a 30in high seat, it has a 73deg effective seat tube angle. The large is based on a 32" seat and the small is a 28" high seat.
The effective top tube measurment is measured the same as normal, horizontal from head tube center to effective seat tube center.
i like it when u say yet...it means there's hope in the future for a canfield 29er full-sus? tell me and the rest that i'm correct, plss?
Certainly not out of the question but it will be quite a wait. We have a few other projects higher on the priority list. If we have a good responce in the 29" market with the Nimble 9, we will be doing a couple other 29" frames.
He just did. If the Nimble 9 does well. Savvy? Now can we get back on focus, discussion on the Nimble 9
Maybe SC was right to go straight to a Carbon VPP for the tallboy and skip all the dumb questions and speculation that would have come from a 29er chameleon
flymybike, thanks for clarifying the geometry. From the website it read like 70mm drop with the 120mm fork. 55mm drop sounds a lot more appropriate. Also appreciate clearing up the eTT measurement
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Originally Posted by buddhak
Definitely we need another Alu HT!
because you were asking for them to let you ride one for the SSWC's. I think you are still upset about that when you got laughed at but if that made you feel better (to take your cheap shot) more power to you I guess. 
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