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    IF vs Moots vs Blacksheep vs Eriksen vs ?

    I made the 29er jump earlier this year to a Niner Air9 1x9 and am loving it! I have always been a huge fan of ti and am starting to consider the dream build. So far, the options are

    - Independent Fabrication Ti Deluxe

    - Moots Mooto-X YBB

    - Eriksen HT

    - Castellano Silk Ti (concerned about standover due to geo requirements of his softtail design)

    - Black Sheep Highlight

    I'm around 5'7" so standover is a concern and I'd like to include a replaceable rear derailleur hanger and/or possibly slider dropouts so I could run it as a singlespeed as well. S&S coupler might also be thrown in the mix.

    I've done all the usual searches but would appreciate any feedback, suggestions, or pics of your 29er ti hardtail build. Thanks!
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    Eriksen 29er

    I would give each company a call and talk to them about what you are looking for in your new ride. I did the same thing earlier this year and ended up getting an Eriksen 29. I thought they had some of the best customer service. They also had a good turn around time as well. The turn around time was not a big deal to me, but the 6 weeks it took seemed like forever. I think one of the best things about a custom frame is that they are able to ride tune the bike for your personal messurements and geometry you like.
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    Hey Lactic,

    Quote Originally Posted by Lactic
    I made the 29er jump earlier this year to a Niner Air9 1x9 and am loving it! I have always been a huge fan of ti and am starting to consider the dream build. So far, the options are

    - Independent Fabrication Ti Deluxe

    - Moots Mooto-X YBB

    - Eriksen HT

    - Castellano Silk Ti (concerned about standover due to geo requirements of his softtail design)

    - Black Sheep Highlight

    I'm around 5'7" so standover is a concern and I'd like to include a replaceable rear derailleur hanger and/or possibly slider dropouts so I could run it as a singlespeed as well. S&S coupler might also be thrown in the mix.

    I've done all the usual searches but would appreciate any feedback, suggestions, or pics of your 29er ti hardtail build. Thanks!
    I wish I had your problem, but than again I'm glad I don't have your problem. What I mean is I wish I was getting ready to pick between one of these frame builders to make me a dream Ti 29er but I'd hate like he!! to have to try and choose..VERY VERY good list of Ti builders you've got there. I think for me it would be Eriksen 1st, Blacksheep 2nd with Moots a very close 3rd...I don't much care for Castellano...Have fun you lucky SOB...CF...

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    Yeah, tough situation to be in. Like picking which supermodel you want to take home for the evening.

    I currently have a couple of these bikes in the 26er versions- Moots YBB SL and Ibis Silk Ti. I prefer the Ibis over the YBB due to the longer travel, lateral stability provided by the flat chainstays, and the dampened rebound. Unfortunately, I think the Castellano 29er is out due to the stock rear triangle assembly which creates an approximate 31" standover clearance on the smallest frame.

    The Niner Air9 did change my opinion on the necessity of the softtail though. With the big wheels, layback ti post, and tubeless tires, it's a very similar ride.

    Love your Eriksen! Very sharp looking frames!
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    Lactic, I just sent you a PM.
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    "Holy Anodization Batman!"

    I've seen your BS posted before and I love those classic Highlight lines!

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    Had the same short list of builders and went with Castellano. Hopefully have mine by the end of the month. Have you talked to him about doing a curved top tube?

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    I haven't yet spoken with him live yet. Didn't know that was an option. Emailed him last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lactic
    I haven't yet spoken with him live yet. Didn't know that was an option. Emailed him last night.
    Sent another pm, I need your email to send the drawing.
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    I guess I could post it here as well. Give me a call and I will fill you in on all of the details.
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    I guess as someone who has owned 3 Moots I might be biased but I'd list em out like this-

    Moots only if the YBB is something you really want. I love the soft squish of them but it makes for a bit heavier frame. One thing- if you are ordering a YBB Mooto X in an 18 or shorter it'll have the odd tube at the downtube junction. I like it but some aren't so fond of the way it interupts the lines of the frame.

    BlackSheep if you need to feel that your Ti 29er isn't going to be unique enough for you. The BS frames are absolutly gorgeous and James is as nice a guy as I've ever bought a frame from. It's really nice to see such new/retro lines on a frame. Makes the IFs/Eriksens look pretty dull w/ their humdrum double triangle looks.

    IF- Don't you IF folks meet me in an alley w/ a Ti club for this but, I'd pass on IF. Great bikes, really well made (like the enitre list you've asked about) but...ehhh. Sorta dull to my eye. Look at some amazing IF (w/ all the usual matching hope/king bling) and then place it next to some amazing BS and the IF gets lost among the swoopy lines. It's odd the way nicely bent Ti makes an IF look almost boreing.

    Eriksen- If you want a frame that isn't swoopy and doesn't have the YBB this is your answer (to me anyway). They are also more rare than the IFs. Standard double triangle put together perfectly.

    You'll get plenty of folks saying that so and so does the best welds or this company has a nicer finish. They are all great bikes assembled and welded as well as can be done. Perfect coin stack finsih welds at all junctions. So, I'd say chose what you are looking for (squish, swoop, clean lines, whatever) and order it up. Then you need to start choosing parts.... that could take ahwile.
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    I have also sent you a PM with my comments about my Black Sheep experience. Enjoy the new bike whatever you choose.

    Oh... if you really want a sweet bike check out Crisp Titanium (http://www.crisptitanium.com/). Darren is a super nice guy. Former racer and honestly welds some of the most beautiful frames and forks that I've ever seen.

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    If I were going to spring for that much cash on a frame I would go with Steve Potts.
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    Contact Sinister and see if Frank will make you a Simon Bar out of Ti

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    I am looking forward to getting my Titus RX here in another week or so. I debated the erikesn also, but ended up going with the titus. I really wanted a FS 29er though.

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    Eriksen first, Moots second, Blacksheep and IF tied for third. I'll take a Carl Strong along with a nice Single Malt as well.

    My view of BS is tainted with a lot of past frame alignment and other issues but I think they are really nice looking and probably have no issues now.

    I went with a Moots for the Softail and the fact that the company has been around for quite a while and of course, they are here in Colorado. I have always liked Moots and as much as a small/individual builder sounds appealing, the Moots ended up being the one I wanted the most after considering all of my factors, including price. That said, I would have been just fine with any of the others....it was a tough call

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    Lots of BS frame alignment issues? Lots? How many frames from James did you have and what were the issues. I had some issue w/ a rear trianlge and am wondering if yours was similar.
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    Ti frame thought

    With your limited standover, you're going to end up with a really short head tube, The TT and DT will contact each other. My experience as a shorter rider on a Ti frame was that this allowed the frame to twist, and really made handing inconsistent. With a longer HT, the TT and DT can be seperated by a reasonable distance and this eliminates the twist.

    For me, steel fixed this problem (and the problem only became truely evident in retrospect). Apparently you are sold on Ti...and that is cool. Make sure your builder chooses his tubing appropriately.

    Or, you could go rigid-specific.

    At the least I would go zero-stack HS to get that HT as long as possible.

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    Depends what you want from your Ti!

    I have to agree with Johnny Chicken Bones. I think you need to sit down and decide exactly what you want from your new frame. Hopefully you will have this frame for a long time, so you want to make sure it is exactly what you want/need. Do you really want/need a softtail? There will clearly be added comfort with a softtail design, but there will be other compromises. The frame will be heavier, probably have higher standover and will require more maintenance. You also mentioned you were thinking about adding couplers, these will also add weight, complexity and cost. The Ti couplers add about $700 to $1000, depending on the builder. Also keep in mind that you will probably wait longer for your frame from one of the one-man shops than you will from Moots or IF.

    All the builders (and others) will deliver a great bike. Others I would add to the list are Quiring, Strong, and Lynsky. Here is my take on the list:

    Scott Quiring will build you a very nice double triangle frame with perfect geometry at a much lower cost than the rest. Scott built me a Ti road bike with S&S couplers a few years ago, and it is great. I feel like I could just ride it all day. The Ti frame with couplers from Scott was cheaper than most of the other builders frames without couplings!

    Strong: I do not know too much about his frames, but have only read positive things.

    Lynsky: I also do not know much about the frames, but they sure look nice. They have standard sizes but I believe do custom as well. I have seen a lot of their frames with a downward curved top tube for added standover, which might be good for you.

    Castellano: I have no experience with them.

    IF: I have no personal experience, and their bike look kind of bland, but their have their fit techniques down to a science, and they will deliver quickly.

    Erikson: Also makes standard double triangle frames, but somehow they look better than the IF. He is one of the early 29er adopters, so the geometry will be spot on.

    Moots: Moots make great bikes and have some interesting designs, but overall I just don't jive with their stuff, not sure why. But if you are looking for a softtail, they are probably your best bet.

    Black Sheep: Just call James and order your frame from him! I am kind of kidding, but not really. I worked with James this summer on my dream frame, and it is all I asked for, and his frames are just beautiful as well. I had some weird design ideas, and James made them happen. If you want a travel frame and decide against the softtail design, you should check out my frame. Picture below and a link to my thread about it. It took a little longer than I was originally told, but the wait was well worth it.

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    These incidents were from a 2-3 of years ago. I have not owned one but know four people and ALL four either had significant alignment problems with the frame or tabs that were welded on with improper distance calculations. There was another issue which I forget but there was also a bike shop owner who told me about problems one of his customer had with the brake tabs not being welded correctly and it had to be redone. I didn't include that in the four. I heard that James has "gotten a lot better" since then and builds much better frames now and I personally have not heard of anything recently.

    What problems have you had? I know that the frame alignment issues were so obvious in two cases that the buyers were pretty distraught. I don't know much more than that and the two who are on this forum do not feel comfortable posting about this.

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    bikeny.....your bike is beautiful. Well done !!!!!

    I have one of the earliest Eriksen's. Serial # 012 to be exact. It's an amazing bike. My one gripe is that chainstay/seatstay clearance is minimal. I run an Ignitor 2.1 with only a few mm of clearance which is fine for me since it's a SS and that's my preferred tire for SS, but while Kent was a pleasure to work with during the process, I did repeatedly request generous rear tire clearance and was a bit surprised with the final result. I'm not certain I could run anything larger such as an Ardent or Rampage (not that I want too at this time). Having said that, I've throughly enjoyed the bike over the past 2.5 years and don't see a replacement in my near future.

    So my one piece of advice if considering Eriksen is to discuss rear tire clearance thoroughly with Kent if this is a concern for you.

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    Wow, there are some amazing bikes on here...makes my Moots look so overly plain.

    Yeah, I think my Moots has enough tire clearance for a proper 2.2 and maybe a 2.3 but that is it. The 2.2 Captain seems to be close to a true 2.2 though I have not measured it so I'm not 100% sure. It may have more clearance than an Eriksen though.

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    [QUOTE=The Squeaky Wheel... one gripe is that chainstay/seatstay clearance is minimal. I run an Ignitor 2.1 with only a few mm of clearance...repeatedly request generous rear tire clearance and was a bit surprised with the final result. I'm not certain I could run anything larger such as an Ardent or Rampage (not that I want too at this time).
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    One of my biggest beefs about the BS that I have is almost the exact issue and asked for same. I have to keep my rear wheel spot-on true or my tire rubs and I'm running a 2.1 currently. If rims keep getting wider I'm going to have to start looking for 1.9 tires to fit the minimal space.

    I also think that there's an alignment issue on mine as there's differing dimensions to the wheel on the chainstays and seatstays in all for locations and it doesn't matter where you have the wheel. Bizarre.

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    I have one of Kent's frames that he built for me early spring 08 and I am able to run a Rampage 2.3 on the rear with no issues. I tried to run a Racing Ralph 2.4 and it fit but the clearance was too close for comfort.

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    Moots Mooto-XZ, 4 inches of Ti FS bliss.

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    I got a Lynskey ti bike with paragon slider. in the process of building it so no pics yet.

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    Nice thing about IF is that they have a pretty quick turnaround time usually. I got my steel IF in about 4 weeks. Ti might take longer not sure.

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    Have fun picking a builder, you've gotten plenty of good advice above.

    If I were in your shoes (currently happy with my Fly), the one thing I would insist on is adequate clearance for a Racing Ralph 2.4.

    Even though I wouldn't currently consider a tire that size on my hardtail, a ti frame can last forever, so I'd want to know the option was available in the future, in case my riding preferences change!
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    I'd go Castellano (Castellano is the Real Ibis), then Moots, then Erikson.

    Also, depends on your wallet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet
    Moots Mooto-XZ, 4 inches of Ti FS bliss.

    Why in the world anyone would want a ti full sussy is beyond me, alu is lighter, and with all the shocks, it kind of negates the effect of ti dont ya think? What a waste of money...If your gonna go ti, hardtail or softail is the only way to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosboy
    Why in the world anyone would want a ti full sussy is beyond me, alu is lighter, and with all the shocks, it kind of negates the effect of ti dont ya think?
    I'm on the same page, but will take it one step further. Many of the custom frames (Ti and steel) that get shown on here are virtually identical in terms of function (e.g. - angles and dimensions) as stock frames from big box companies. What's the point of going custom if you're not getting an important functional improvement for your investment? I'm not against curvy tubes or sharp looking welds -- they look pretty cool -- but if your not getting something at the same time that can't be found in a stock frame from a big manufacturer, isn't it then all about fashion? I went custom because there were no stock frames that would give the angles, axle to crown, and narrow Q-factor that I wanted/needed -- and I looked at 'em all. I would have much preferred spending $500 to $1000 less on a frame if it could have given me the same functionality as my (admittedly gorgeous) Black Sheep frames...

    (Disclaimer: There's a lot worse ways to spend money than on a custom frame that (all things consider) is not a hell of a lot different than a Karate Monkey -- go for it!)
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    get real...bling is lame and is another word for poseur

    as for Eriksen, Squeaky is a complete "c" word so definitely scratch that off the list

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    I chose a Black Sheep


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    Eriksen - I had Kent build one of my bikes and it the best fitting bike I've ridden. I'm sure that if you want anything specific, just discuss it with him and he'll get it done. Kent is awesome to work with.

    Moots - I had a custom frame built by Moots and the delivery was later than promised by a few months and there was limited to no interaction with them on the design. I would go Eriksen over a Moots in a heartbeat.

    Blacksheep - I love the looks of those curved tubes.

    I would pick those items that are most important to you in the design of the bike and then talk with each builder and get their take on your dream bike. After talking with the builders you will know which direction to go as one of them will have caught your vision over the phone and be ready to cut the tubes and weld.

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    I have a Black Sheep and an Eriksen. James and Kent are both superb guys to work with, different, sure, but both wonderful. I have good clearance on my KE too. I can fit a WTB 2.55 in there with a couple of mm on each side. It might rub cranking up or bombing down a hill. Maybe I'll try it soon and see? I love both bikes and don't know if I could choose one over the other.

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    One of the sexiest ti setups I've seen

    it was on ebay a while back and sold for about $4k, which I thought was an awesome deal... This supposedly came in under 23lbs! Isn't she beautiful?!

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    FANTASTIC input! Not making my decision any easier but great information here!

    Maybe I'll just go back to my 26ers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1strongone1
    Lactic, I just sent you a PM.

    Just how does that bike ride???

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    IF- admittedly, my bike is steel, but...here's a few things.
    They listen. My bike has the shortest possible wheelbase for my size- I have 2mm-3mm of toe clearance with a Rampage. I asked for this. The bike handles so fast it is astounding and is stable enough I can ride smooth ST no handed- yes, this includes turning the bike, not just straight ahead. The perfection of the S-bend chainstays means no issues with clearance and CS length less than 17.5- not uber-short, but reasonable. I also asked for a bike that was "bomb-proof"- I do a fair bit of bikepacking and a lot of tech riding. My bike ain't the lightest, but in two years of thrashing, nary a wobble.
    Again, in other words, they listened to me and built me the bike I wanted.
    Here's the other thing about IF- they're a custom builder who uses assembly line construction methods. Now, some people might want that "one person, start to finish" custom build- but I think you have better chance of more consistent quality if you have different people at each phase who specialize in the specific phase they work on. You know, the industrial revolution thing...also what enables them to have much shorter turnaround that is accurate to promises...
    Sorry about the ramble...just wanting to put some IF love out there. Lilke I say when people ask me how I like my bike: It's the best bike ever, because it's built for me and nobdoy else.
    That's what I think a custom experience should be like.

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    Another vote for IF from me, mine is steel but at the same time they still built me the exact frame I wanted and turnaround time was very short.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dash
    Just how does that bike ride???
    It after all is only a bike, and it is the motor that really matters. However all things being equal I really like the ride, so much that James is currently building me a new one, just like my old one, but with paragon sliders instead of the ebb Not that I have had any problems with the ebb, that has worked well, I just prefer the sliders. I will be selling my BS with the ebb as soon as I get my new one.


    I would be more than happy to ride any of the aforementioned frames as my main ride, they are all very nice.
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    I'd vote Moots/Ericksen. They have been doin it for years and have it down. Here is my 1x9 MX YBB. The cranks have since been replaced with Noirs (went through two pair of Crank Bros.) All look like sweet bikes though. I am contemplating a 29er SS and cannot decide between Ti and Steel.
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    What is Black Sheeps turn around time once the measurements have been signed off???? Love the curved tubes and what I saw at the NAHMBS this year. My only 29er is a Moots, but I love Ti bikes............Funny how people slam Ti DS bikes.......All of mine are equal or lighter then their Al versions, a hell of alot stronger, less vibration and chatter then Al, and not that much more expensive if you shop carefully.
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    a king top cap on an eriksen post? interesting.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikecrazy55
    a king top cap on an eriksen post? interesting.....
    He used King top caps on the early ones. I've got one. Great post.

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    thats pretty sweet!

    even better than a thomson?

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    And no one mentions DeSalvo?

    I like the curved toptube on BlackSheep but almost every BlackSheep has that, so I go to DeSalvo and get this: The first and only one DeSalvo with curved top tube


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    Quote Originally Posted by rapidcarbon
    And no one mentions DeSalvo?

    I like the curved toptube on BlackSheep but almost every BlackSheep has that, so I go to DeSalvo and get this: The first and only one DeSalvo with curved top tube

    Beautiful !!! The red accents really POP !

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    that beast would sooooooooo be looking sexxy with some i9's!!!

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    Not to throw a monkey wrench to the discussion, but at 5'7", you might want to look at the 27.5 (650B)?

    ALL the brands listed above can easily make a 650B.

    For a 650B, you get all the benefits of a 29er, but without the constraints w/ geometry..

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    Quote Originally Posted by goyoyl
    With a 650B, you get some of the benefits of a 29er, but without the selection of tires and fork
    Fixed it for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    Fixed it for you
    True... Though it looks like more brands will come out with 650 products soon. Including tires...

    I9 can do 650b wheels.

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    Nice list of options!

    Kent (Katie and Chad) are great to work with. I'm barely 5'6" and this 29er rides the best of any I've had. Scott Quiring can do some nice work in ti as well.


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    I gotta give another vote for Kent Eriksen. He went above and beyond on the little details I wanted, including 2.4"+ tire clearence, soooper stiff (2 inch DT for the SS), and breezer style slider dropouts. Geometry was spot on. He sent me one drawing, we made a couple of changes, he sent me another, we made another change, he sent another, and it was on the money, (I've had a lot of experience with bike fitting and have had several bikes to compare, so I was really nit-picking).

    Here's a link to my bike.
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    Here's a link to my bike...
    Drool city!

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    Quote Originally Posted by R32
    Kent (Katie and Chad) are great to work with. I'm barely 5'6" and this 29er rides the best of any I've had. Scott Quiring can do some nice work in ti as well.

    What happened to your stem, did a tree fall on it.

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    Heck no, I save the tree hitting for me. Given my height and needing some head tube...needed to get the bars back down around saddle height. Took a -30 stem to do it. If you ever see many Quiring bikes, they often will have a real 'slammed' stem too. If I was a bit taller/longer legged it wouldn't look quite so odd. W/o it I'd be so upright it would be like I was on a cruiser.

    This bike fits and rides incredibly!

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    That's a really sweet ride.

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    Think Lanskey Pro 29er


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    landskey?

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    Blacksheep

    I opted to add a Black Sheep Highlight to the stable as a singlespeed. Got a killer deal on the frame and fork and had James weld on some disc tabs and cable guides so I can run it in multiple configurations as the mood strikes.

    Thanks James for the fast turn around (did it while I ran for coffee)!!

    (Waiting on some parts to finish the build...)
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    Contact Sinister and see if Frank will make you a Simon Bar out of Ti
    Sure, contact him if you want delays, delays, delays, and finally the product you didn't order...

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    Quote Originally Posted by indigosky
    Sure, contact him if you want delays, delays, delays, and finally the product you didn't order...
    I should know better to answer this in any way... but I'm going to anyway.

    I think you'll find that if you ask enough people on this board there's probably no builders that SOMEONE doesn't have at least one complaint about.

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    Beautiful Sheep, Lactic... Can't wait to see it built up the way you want it...

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    I should know better to answer this in any way... but I'm going to anyway.

    I think you'll find that if you ask enough people on this board there's probably no builders that SOMEONE doesn't have at least one complaint about.
    I can name a couple that I haven't heard any complains about...

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    MIKE DE SALVO. take a look: http://www.desalvocycles.com/?p=ti_mtn this man lays some of the sweeetest beads in the biz. mike is a framebuilder's framebuilder. just a solid blue collar guy who gets the job done and does it right. no BS, no wierdnesses. at least drop him a line & see what he is about before you drop the coin. also, darren crisp does some AMAZING work, if you are willing to deal with the euro/dollar/shipping thang. steve.
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    Too late

    Quote Originally Posted by coconinocycles
    at least drop him a line & see what he is about before you drop the coin.
    Too late. I was the one who started the thread and I ended up with a Willits Trail King 29er 1x9 and the Blacksheep Highlight 29er SS posted above in #62. Sold off the Moots YBB SL 26er, Bontrager Ti Lite 26er, and the Ibis Silk Ti 26er to get to this point and am very happy with the way things worked out!

    Would not have been upset about landing a Desalvo though and if I ever go truly 100% custom, he would be on the short list.

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    I have a custom bike. Its beautiful and rides well, but in the year I had to wait for it, I've looked at many other builders. Experience aka a ton of builds under ones belt, and satisfied clients to go with as well as great customer service are my desires next time, therefore I'm looking at Strong or Ericksen. Downside is these guys seem only interested in building visually traditional frames. Seems that the more creative you get (curvy tubes, ect) the longer it may take, because the creative builders may not be as regimented as the guys above.
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    i have been looking at the same range of bikes and was wondering what peoples opinions are on the Spot rocker ss Ti. looks really nice but alas has a nice price tag as well. anybody share any experience.

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    kent looks to me like a clear choice. his experience is amazing so are his bikes. down to earth guy (not normal in this business) and great customer service.

    my lynskey is far behind in build as well as ride quality. i guess it depends a lot into what builder and welder you run into, they do lots of work for other companies as well.

    my IF is a nice bike, but customer service is great only as long you don't run into problems. besides most of the IF guys are great but the boss (shawn i think) is all about himself, trashing his own team and treating his customers poorly. my impression from what i had to deal with them that they dont act as a team, with a me me me kind of a boss not surprising. won't make the mistake again to go this direction.

    moots bikes look great, but they have more and more moved away from custom but kept the high price.

    blacksheep tend to break, have heard it from various directions and you can see it a lot in the forums as well. still look good though ...

    scott quiring looks like a nice alternative, don't know anybody owning one but the 1 i have seen in real looked very nice. makes me suspicious if a builder does it all, steel, ti, carbon and aluminium.

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    Experiences are so different person to person -- that's really all that this thread has revealed.
    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook View Post
    kent looks to me like a clear choice. his experience is amazing so are his bikes.
    My Kent Eriksen era moots frame broke, twice. When I spoke with him in person about building me a 29er soon after he started up Eriksen, he clearly didn't understand the concept of rake and trail -- or at least he wasn't willing to discuss it with me, a potential customer. That being said, there are a couple of Eriksen's in town and they are awesome frames and their pilots are some of the fastest and most skilled local riders. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if I were in the market, but then I understand rake and trail so it doesn't matter if he does or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook View Post
    moots bikes look great, but they have more and more moved away from custom but kept the high price.
    My post-Eriksen Moots broke too -- manufacturing defect. But they were cool about it and I'd own another one if needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook View Post
    blacksheep tend to break, have heard it from various directions and you can see it a lot in the forums as well. still look good though ...
    Neither of mine have broke, James does understand rake and trail and was willing to discuss the fine details, and since I know where his shop is I can get good customer service if needed. The cool thing about Black Sheep is that if you can think it up and you can make a strong argument to James that it will ride like you want it to, he can make it happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook View Post
    scott quiring looks like a nice alternative, don't know anybody owning one but the 1 i have seen in real looked very nice.
    All I asked of Quiring was that he make a rear triangle that would handle a narrow Q-factor crank and still fit a reasonable sized tire -- he said he couldn't do it. James of Black Sheep said he could and then did. To be fair, other builders said they could too and I fully expect they could have done it just as well. A friend picked up a used Quiring and it's very nice and if I was willing to ride what Quiring was willing to build, I would be willing to own one.

    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook View Post
    makes me suspicious if a builder does it all, steel, ti, carbon and aluminium.
    In my book it just means they've got skills -- heck, if a Ti builder couldn't do steel or aluminum that would be suspicious.

    Not that I was trying to slam any builder (well, the conversation with Kent was, frankly, just surreal -- maybe I was being obtuse at the time), rather my point is that the "n" for any of us or even all of us collectively isn't really big enough to draw fine distinctions -- at some point you gotta commit to a builder who has a reasonable reputation (so not that guy who built Badgers or Chester or that guy from Arizona). And my last bit of advice is to pick a builder who is local so you can go bang on the door of his workshop if you can't get a response on the phone or via email.
    "The plural of anecdote is not data." -- Attributed to various people in a variety of forms, but always worth remembering...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook View Post
    kent looks to me like a clear choice. his experience is amazing so are his bikes. down to earth guy (not normal in this business) and great customer service.

    my lynskey is far behind in build as well as ride quality. i guess it depends a lot into what builder and welder you run into, they do lots of work for other companies as well.

    my IF is a nice bike, but customer service is great only as long you don't run into problems. besides most of the IF guys are great but the boss (shawn i think) is all about himself, trashing his own team and treating his customers poorly. my impression from what i had to deal with them that they dont act as a team, with a me me me kind of a boss not surprising. won't make the mistake again to go this direction.

    moots bikes look great, but they have more and more moved away from custom but kept the high price.

    blacksheep tend to break, have heard it from various directions and you can see it a lot in the forums as well. still look good though ...

    scott quiring looks like a nice alternative, don't know anybody owning one but the 1 i have seen in real looked very nice. makes me suspicious if a builder does it all, steel, ti, carbon and aluminium.
    I may have already mentioned it but Crisp is probably the best quality in a Ti frame that I've ever laid eyes on but he's in Italy (although he is American and a former pro mtb racer) so the Euro may make it prohibitively expensive. Other than that, Firefly are former IF guys who went off on their own when the company moved out of their former location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeT View Post
    Experiences are so different person to person -- that's really all that this thread has revealed.

    And my last bit of advice is to pick a builder who is local so you can go bang on the door of his workshop if you can't get a response on the phone or via email.
    good start and even better finish!

    still, more opinions better. many of the opinions here in the forum i find confirmed, or at least the forum helps me to set my expectations better. a lot also depends on the fit between builder and client in terms of knowledge and communication preferences.

    personally, i am more tolerant towards technical details (like the rake / trail discussion) as long the builder has lots of experience and a positive track record - after all everybody has his own way how to ensure the client gets the frame he wants / needs. what totally turns me off if a builder is treating his clients poorly, lie to you or simply ignore their basic, legally binding obligations (like it happened to me with IF).

    using a local builder is definitely a big plus. i have family in colorado with plenty of builders around and have excellent experience dealing with a builders in person as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook View Post

    my IF is a nice bike, but customer service is great only as long you don't run into problems. besides most of the IF guys are great but the boss (shawn i think) is all about himself, trashing his own team and treating his customers poorly. my impression from what i had to deal with them that they dont act as a team, with a me me me kind of a boss not surprising. won't make the mistake again to go this direction.

    Bummer, I heard the same thing which is unfortunate. Tyler Evans was one of the cool guys at IF - a true sculpture artist and helped put IF on the titanium map when he started. He didn't make the move to New Hampshire when IF moved - he and two other IF'ers started Firefly Cycles, worth checking them out. Firefly Bicycles | World-class bicycles, handmade in Boston, Mass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    Bummer, I heard the same thing which is unfortunate. Tyler Evans was one of the cool guys at IF - a true sculpture artist and helped put IF on the titanium map when he started. He didn't make the move to New Hampshire when IF moved - he and two other IF'ers started Firefly Cycles, worth checking them out. Firefly Bicycles | World-class bicycles, handmade in Boston, Mass.

    wow, the firefly frames look amazing.

    this explains what happened to IF, loosing guys like Tyler can hardly be compensated by such a small company. looking at their fluctuation altogether they must have a major people management / team problem. 11 of 12 (!!!) joined IF in the past 2-3 years even if 2 worked there before. 7 of 12 (yes, 7 of 12!!!) are with IF roughly about a year. if they are smart they should better hide this kind of detail on their "our story" web page - it only proves that today's IF is not anymore what they used to be. much more it looks like a start up company to me but with a quality brand name and premium prices ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook View Post
    if they are smart they should better hide this kind of detail on their "our story" web page - it only proves that today's IF is not anymore what they used to be.
    I was thinking the exact same thing a while ago. That page used to build confidence, now its the exact opposite. "Hi ! Everybody important left except for the head cheese." But, recent frames on their blog still look drool-worthy.

    The bikes Firefly have been producing are amazing, yet more true to tradition. No mountain frames yet but they recently did this 26" bmx commuter thing, and its insane. I'm sure some real mountain frames are on the way.


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    Potts, Erickson, Strong.


    If i was getting a hardtail, I'd have to flip a 3-sided coin.

    If I was getting 1 bike for the rest of my life, it would be a Potts softtail (Castellano Silk Ti).
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