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    I Beg You, More MONSTERCROSS

    I have dug through all the old monstercross threads and am lusting for more info. I want anything you've got monstercross (less than 2.0 tires and drop bars) related.

    Favorite monstercross gear would be great. Photos and ride reports would be even better. Show me your rigs, tell me your tales, give me something to read while I should be working.

    I'll seriously take whatever you've got on the subject, and if you own one of these beasts and live near Nashville, I'd love to hit you up for a test ride.
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    It'll never be enough monstercross. I'll post some photos from my collection when I'm feeling less lazy. I have an embarrassingly large number of saved photos of drop barred 29er/cross bikes.

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    Did you run across my old pics? Here are some in case you didn't:
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    Nat, you are my HERO!!!!!!

    Is that at dt swiss 240 single speed hub with some gears on it. I posted about a week ago about wanting to run that on a Surly Cross Check. You have just about the exact bike I want.

    Let's see, I want the same:
    Frame
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    Brake Levers
    Hubs

    But I do want some bonty 1.8s for some more cush (coming from front suspension). And about that rear hub, I wanted to run a disc brake version so I could affix a fixie cog for a rear wheel that could serve fixie, single speed, and geared versions. What do you think, as I see you've done at least two of the three combos.

    Oh, and do you live close enough for me to test ride that rig? Wishful thinking I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    Nat, you are my HERO!!!!!!

    Is that at dt swiss 240 single speed hub with some gears on it. I posted about a week ago about wanting to run that on a Surly Cross Check. You have just about the exact bike I want.

    Let's see, I want the same:
    Frame
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    Hubs

    But I do want some bonty 1.8s for some more cush (coming from front suspension). And about that rear hub, I wanted to run a disc brake version so I could affix a fixie cog for a rear wheel that could serve fixie, single speed, and geared versions. What do you think, as I see you've done at least two of the three combos.

    Oh, and do you live close enough for me to test ride that rig? Wishful thinking I guess.
    Rock out with your c0ck out! I heart this bike. That is a DT ss hub with a 5 cog cluster. I ran it SS a bit this summer but eventually switched it back to the 10 speed setup. Mostly I like using the old school down tube shifters on friction mode. It's geared 32-36 up front and 12-14-16-18-20 in the back.

    I also have a set of fatter tires (Mythos CX I think) that were nice but the problem there was the front cantis couldn't open wide enough to remove the front wheel. I had to deflate/inflate the tire every time I wanted to take the wheel off, and that got to be too much of a nuisance.

    I don't ride fixed , so I can't comment on that configuration.

    We live a long way from one another but if you were here I'd let you ride it. I bet you won't be disappointed when you build yours up similarly.

    Edit: The Mythos CX tires are what's shown in the above pics. Note the front tire width and how the cantis won't open widely enough. I now have skinnier-yet-cushioney WTB All Terrainosaurus tires on it. 700c x 35 maybe?

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    Is 5 cogs the limit you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    Is 5 cogs the limit you think?
    If I remember right, 5 cogs took up the entire freehub width. I combined a triplet of cogs from a 9-speed cassette and a doublet from an 8-speed cassette (or was it vice-versa?).

    Sorry my answers are so vague. I built this bike up last winter and I've forgotten the details since I don't really dwell on equipment once I get a bike set up. I can go look at any specific detail you'd like but not now...it's night time...and the garage is dark and cold...and I'm getting sleepy.

    I had a mountain rack with pannier for a bit. I forgot why I took the rack off, but it was pretty great.

    I know I really like riding it. My wife also likes riding it too. She probably uses it more than I do in commuting to her work.

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    number one: your description above the avatar seems to be a little misleading considering this past post

    number two: thanks for the quick answers so far and i look forward to talking to you more about it. i have some questions about sizing and the fact that you aren't running a "super riser" stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    number one: your description above the avatar seems to be a little misleading considering this past post

    number two: thanks for the quick answers so far and i look forward to talking to you more about it. i have some questions about sizing and the fact that you aren't running a "super riser" stem.
    What, "29 and single?" I just use that because every once in awhile I catch someone who actually thinks I'm 29 years old and am looking for a date. I ride other bikes including 26ers, road bikes, and gearies (oh the horror!). I know. I know.

    Right now I can't even recall which size frame it is. I found that stem at JensonUSA (or was it Cambriabike?). Could I be more useless? Jeez!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    Is 5 cogs the limit you think?
    I recently asked the helpful guys at Speedgoat this question. This was the response:

    The hub has a 15mm wide freehub body on it. DT Swiss said that dependent upon
    what cogs and spacers are used you can fit between 4 and 5 cogs.

    Thanks!
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    Nat, that's a really cool bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    Nat, that's a really cool bike.
    Hey thanks. Did you guys note the tennis racquet grip?
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    Nat - what size is that? Lots of headset spacers, but perhaps that is a fact of life with the Surly Crosscheck sizing options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Hey thanks. Did you guys note the tennis racquet grip?
    I did ! I was just getting ready to ask. Do you have to buy 2 grips worth? Any harder to wrap or finish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    I ...... am lusting for more info. I want anything you've got monstercross (less than 2.0 tires and drop bars) related.

    I'll seriously take whatever you've got on the subject,
    Well, this is 2.0 size tire, not <2.0, but it's as good an opportunity as any to fly Old Glory.

    Giddy up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Nat - what size is that? Lots of headset spacers, but perhaps that is a fact of life with the Surly Crosscheck sizing options.
    I can't recall. I'll try to look it up later today. I seem to like my bars higher than most so I needed more spacers. The final version has a higher rise stem and fewer spacers than what you see in these pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swami Scott
    I did ! I was just getting ready to ask. Do you have to buy 2 grips worth? Any harder to wrap or finish?
    Two grips worth just barely fits if I stretch it. I ended up using four grips worth and transitioned beneath the hoods.

    I found it about the same as bike tape to put on.

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    Check out the Lalonde brother's blogs...they both just got their custom monstercross bikes from Bob Brown Bicycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Hey thanks. Did you guys note the tennis racquet grip?
    Seriously? I like that.

    That is a nice looking CC Nat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamjam
    Seriously? I like that.

    That is a nice looking CC Nat.
    Thanks. Tennis grip feels way better than bike tape, and it's designed for people with sweaty hands. Mine aren't so sweaty but the tape gets tackier when damp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Thanks. Tennis grip feels way better than bike tape, and it's designed for people with sweaty hands. Mine aren't so sweaty but the tape gets tackier when damp.
    Not to dwell too long on the subject of your grips, but what brand is that? I am looking for similar in red for my commuter build.

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    So has there ever been a monster cross built without a 45 degree stem and 40mm of spacers? Meaning...who's built a custom monstercross eliminating the need for the spacer/stem to gain all the reach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    So has there ever been a monster cross built without a 45 degree stem and 40mm of spacers? Meaning...who's built a custom monstercross eliminating the need for the spacer/stem to gain all the reach?
    See the links that I posted above...you have to scroll down through the blog postings, but there are pictures of the bikes. The Lalondes are fairly normal height though so they don't need the bars very high (compared to you at least Padre).

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    Here's my Monster-X coming from the other direction. It's a stock Trek 520 touring bike with the fattest tires I could stuff into the fork.







    I've posted the images before, so I'll take a moment to review the tires. These are Ritchey SpeedMax (iirc) 700x40c tires on the fat touring rims the bike came with.

    They are incredibly quiet and smooth on pavement. I notice the extra weight a bit vs. road tires, and the top speed is somewhat slower. The edge knobs don't inspire the same confidence in turns that my road tires do, so I tend to turn more deliberately when leaning the bike.

    These have been very tough on the trails so far. The first time out I tried airing them down too much and, after snakebiting a couple tubes, road 3 miles back w/o any air in the rear. The tire didn't look worn at all and has held up since. I've had them on some quite rocky and occasionally sharp trails, and they don't show any significant wear yet.

    Some rocks (but smooth ones here):


    There are limits to the dirt traction, but they are surprisingly high, even with 65lbs of pressure. I've only been in hardpack, some loose over hardpack, gravel and some rocky bits; I can't comment on the wet/mud aspects of the tire, though.

    All in all, I've been surprised with their capability on both trail and road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    I want anything you've got monstercross (less than 2.0 tires and drop bars) related.
    Sorry for the crummy garage pic's. Mine fits 700x44 Mutano's...
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    Go here:
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    Scroll down a bit to "Sparkly and Shiny". More updates comin' soon.

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    My Retrotec, built for Nanos. Maybe I'll try a narrower tire with more aggressive tread in the winter.
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    Yet another CX bike with as big a tire as I can cram in there experiment. Clearly, the fork has more than enough clearance for a Conti Vapor 1.9. The rear will barely, and I mean barely, fit a Ritchey Zed 42c. Still rolls though. A 40c Speedmax would fit for sure. I'll have to get one of them for the rear. Admitedly, the bike rarely sees this set up though. I've got a route planned where bigger tires like this would certainly help. Something Guitar Ted would be interested in(you listening??) participating in. I think Donkey has or had a Kelly set up exactly like this too, but his was that cooool Toothpaste color.
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    So we've got this Trek 700 Multitrack in the garage hooked up to a trainer right now. It is my girlfriend's bike. It features 700c wheels and a entry level SRAM Drivetrain, one of those adjustable stems and some "cruiser" like bars. There is plenty o room for wider tires with more aggressive tread. I was thinking of a stem replacement and some Midge or Space Bars or maybe Inverted Mary's to breathe a little life into it. Worth it or not?

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Rock out with your c0ck out! I heart this bike. That is a DT ss hub with a 5 cog cluster. I ran it SS a bit this summer but eventually switched it back to the 10 speed setup. Mostly I like using the old school down tube shifters on friction mode. It's geared 32-36 up front and 12-14-16-18-20 in the back.

    I also have a set of fatter tires (Mythos CX I think) that were nice but the problem there was the front cantis couldn't open wide enough to remove the front wheel. I had to deflate/inflate the tire every time I wanted to take the wheel off, and that got to be too much of a nuisance.

    I don't ride fixed , so I can't comment on that configuration.

    We live a long way from one another but if you were here I'd let you ride it. I bet you won't be disappointed when you build yours up similarly.

    Edit: The Mythos CX tires are what's shown in the above pics. Note the front tire width and how the cantis won't open widely enough. I now have skinnier-yet-cushioney WTB All Terrainosaurus tires on it. 700c x 35 maybe?
    Nat:

    That first line has me crack'in up That has to go on a T Shirt somewhere...LOL!

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    here's a few from the archive, these don't belong to me, sorry if posting these here offends the owners.
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    a few more. the gray one is mine.
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    trek 520 offroadies unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by cartographer
    Here's my Monster-X coming from the other direction. It's a stock Trek 520 touring bike with the fattest tires I could stuff into the fork.

    I've posted the images before, so I'll take a moment to review the tires. These are Ritchey SpeedMax (iirc) 700x40c tires on the fat touring rims the bike came with.

    They are incredibly quiet and smooth on pavement. I notice the extra weight a bit vs. road tires, and the top speed is somewhat slower. The edge knobs don't inspire the same confidence in turns that my road tires do, so I tend to turn more deliberately when leaning the bike.

    These have been very tough on the trails so far. The first time out I tried airing them down too much and, after snakebiting a couple tubes, road 3 miles back w/o any air in the rear. The tire didn't look worn at all and has held up since. I've had them on some quite rocky and occasionally sharp trails, and they don't show any significant wear yet.

    Some rocks (but smooth ones here):


    There are limits to the dirt traction, but they are surprisingly high, even with 65lbs of pressure. I've only been in hardpack, some loose over hardpack, gravel and some rocky bits; I can't comment on the wet/mud aspects of the tire, though.

    All in all, I've been surprised with their capability on both trail and road.
    (fairly new poster)

    Rock on! my current steed (for just about everything) is also a trek 520 (maybe even the same year- 2002?), but I stripped out all the gears and run it fixed/single with an ENO eccentric. Also, midge bars with a crazy riser/stem set up. When i'm feeling offroady i shove 700x40 WTB Allterrainasauraus's in there, but i've also been surprised with the amount of stuff you can do with 700x28 slicks.

    picture one is me trackstanding with the fat tires, from denali np in alaska. I rode the gravel road into our campsite instead of paying the outrageous fare for the bus:

    picture two is with slicks, but it gives you an idea of the setup (also from alaska):

    sometime soon i'll buy a casseroll to take over the fixed/ss duties and return the trek to its geared state. If i stick with midge-type drop bars i'll get a hunter custom stem hold them properly.
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    one last image, Rudi Nadler at one with his bike.
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    Man, you guys are making me wish I had never sold my old Voodoo, which ironically, is the bike that got me into 29ers. I loved the speed with which it allowed me to climb, but it was too harsh when the trail got rough. I stuffed the fattest tire I could in (44c) and still wanted more. Sold it to fund my first 29er frame. Would love to have it back. It would definitely have a steeper stem and Midge bars on it by now.
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    A few

    Three of Ye Olde Willits...

    Gone for a few years and only recently replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtill
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    Rock on! my current steed (for just about everything) is also a trek 520 (maybe even the same year- 2002?), but I stripped out all the gears and run it fixed/single with an ENO eccentric. Also, midge bars with a crazy riser/stem set up. When i'm feeling offroady i shove 700x40 WTB Allterrainasauraus's in there, but i've also been surprised with the amount of stuff you can do with 700x28 slicks.
    --snip--

    If i stick with midge-type drop bars i'll get a hunter custom stem hold them properly.
    Mine is actually a 2000, but it's not like they changed anything in the past couple decades Some year, I might actually take it touring, but up till now it's been a road/dirt/kid-trailer-towing machine. I think it would be great for the Denali road; the fork does a great job handling that kind of surface.

    I'm seriously considering changing out the bars, as it can get rough hanging on with vertical drops. Something like the new WTB dirt drops might give me just enough flare for comfort without killing my road-riding.

    Happy riding in the frozen north!

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    This thread ROCKS!!!!!! Keep 'um comin'...

    Question for you monstercorss folks, how is it trying to bunny hot stuff with drops? I bunny hot stuff all the time on my road bike (because that's how MTBers do it on the road) but always from the hoods. Riding drops with a MTB one rides in the drops and not the hoods.
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    I thought I would join too! Niner MCR w/ midges. Only have about 10 rides on this with minor fit tinkering with stem and stack height every couple of rides. I believe the fit is right on for my intended use and terrain. Very fun to ride!
    After the sb8's wear out I plan on going to a smaller tire. CX or smaller XC with some cornering tread. Something in the 42-48mm range. I will keep lurking on the forums to help choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hokeypokey3
    I thought I would join too! Niner MCR w/ midges. Only have about 10 rides on this with minor fit tinkering with stem and stack height every couple of rides. I believe the fit is right on for my intended use and terrain. Very fun to ride!
    After the sb8's wear out I plan on going to a smaller tire. CX or smaller XC with some cornering tread. Something in the 42-48mm range. I will keep lurking on the forums to help choose.
    Tim
    Hokeypokey, I am planning on running the Bonty 1.8's (already bought though I don't even have the frame yet) on my Cross Check. They are a sweet tire and apparently the limit of what the CC will take. Right in the middle of your range (45c) so you might want to check them out. I've heard a lot of good things.

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    Here's my old piss off that's no longer with me and a really sweet Hunter that I came across on mtbr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Rock out with your c0ck out! I heart this bike.
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    ohhh, that Hunter IS to die for! I've got a sweet spot in my heart for Hunters. Just love the way Rick puts a bike together. I'll have to get me another one here sometime.
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    my rattlecan sprayed '91 750 multitrack... I need to get pics with the offroad worthy wheelset and mythos cx's still... this pic is her in commuter guise. MMcG, you should be able to fit 45's no problem, I'm not sure if there's more room in the tig'd versions of these, but depending on the size of the meat... Shiggy says 45 firecross's fit in his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    ohhh, that Hunter IS to die for! I've got a sweet spot in my heart for Hunters. Just love the way Rick puts a bike together. I'll have to get me another one here sometime.
    You and me both Marty. I have actually been talking to Rick about a very similar type of bike the past couple weeks. I called it a Monster Cross/Touring/Commuter road bike when I first started the discussion. Compact geometry frame...matching Hunter straight blade unicrown fork & stem...clearance for 44c tires...disc brakes...rack mounts and fender eyelets...132.5mm rear spacing...semi-horizontal Campy drops so it can be SS or geared. Unfortunately I think I need to hold off until the Spring to order, or at least until I find out what the year-end bonus will look like...

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    Here's my old piss off that's no longer with me and a really sweet Hunter that I came across on mtbr.
    Can't believe you sold the Piss Off, I was gonna vote for that as the nicest bike in the thread. What's your stable look like now?

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    Even though I love all the bikes, and an in the process of turning my Ti cruiser frame into a M'cross type bike, I have my doubts about 35-44 mm wide tires in real world use.
    A cross tire is not faster on the road than a smooth- high quality 50 mm tire , and off road inferior to the larger tires.
    Kind of no mans land. I haven't found a light, tubular like -high quality tire with a small diameter, anybody did?

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    It now has Bonty 1.8's on it.

    I live in Chattanooga. If you are down this way somtime, I'd be happy to let you ride it. It is a big bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamjam
    Not to dwell too long on the subject of your grips, but what brand is that? I am looking for similar in red for my commuter build.
    It's Gamma tape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvi
    Even though I love all the bikes, and an in the process of turning my Ti cruiser frame into a M'cross type bike, I have my doubts about 35-44 mm wide tires in real world use.
    A cross tire is not faster on the road than a smooth- high quality 50 mm tire , and off road inferior to the larger tires.
    Kind of no mans land. I haven't found a light, tubular like -high quality tire with a small diameter, anybody did?
    Where this bike excels is on long, rambling, road and dirt road treks. There are miles of old stagecoach roads and logging roads out in the country here, and you can link them together with paved roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncj01
    Well, this is 2.0 size tire, not <2.0, but it's as good an opportunity as any to fly Old Glory.

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    OK, I'll play. Here is my Vulture Monster crosser or drop bar 29er depending on how you look at it. Built last year purpsoley for flared drops by the man who coined the "monster cross" phrase. Fixed sometimes but shown is freewheel mode. This is the best handling and most vesitile bike I have owned. If I could only have one bike this would be it. AteMrYeats I like your style. How are the ENO cranks holding up to fixie use? I am looking at getting some soon.IMG_0002.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by ink1373
    a few more. the gray one is mine.
    That Vanilla is too pretty. Too bad I'd have to wait a couple of years to get one even if I could afford it. Apparently leather saddles and singlespeeds are the way to go with Monstercross.

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    OK, so here are a few of mine...

    This is my current regular mtb ride - a prototype Gryphon - this shown with bigger tyres but no-one else seems to be sticking to that stipulation...



    This is a prototype Peregrine, now riding this with Midges and a 1x9 setup - going nicely. This is probably the frame most accurately described 'monster cross' , the Gryphon is really a drop bar MTB...



    This is my original Swift build with drops.

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    And for a few customer pics with crossish builds...

    Frank in the Netherlands



    Eric in France



    Mick in Yorkshire



    Lots of lovely bikes on this thread, will be saving a few pics...

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    This is my mostest funnest bike at the moment. It's nice and dirty right now. Little something I created.







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    Good job! Singular

    Singular, I update my vote for the most beautiful bikes of the thread. The classic panel paint schemes are my favorite. Nice photographer.

    Do you do custom builds, and if so will I be able to afford it with the current exchange rate? I'm thinking about something similar to a Cross Check but with some more clearance, S&S couplers, and paragon dropouts.

    Thanks again for posting.

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    http://share.shutterfly.com/action/w...=1QbM27Nm2YubA

    Here's some photos from a two day ride I did this spring on the fixed gear Spot monster crosser. 210 miles in two days, no coasting!
    You COULD do it on a geared bike, but I wouldn't reccomend it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    I also have a set of fatter tires (Mythos CX I think) that were nice but the problem there was the front cantis couldn't open wide enough to remove the front wheel. I had to deflate/inflate the tire every time I wanted to take the wheel off, and that got to be too much of a nuisance.
    Nat, a really simple solution for this problem is to get a cable hanger with a slot in it, or whip out your hacksaw, dremel, whatever floats your boat and cut a slot in your existing one. I'm running bonty XR 1.8s (45c) on a cross check with no problems with this set up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    http://share.shutterfly.com/action/w...=1QbM27Nm2YubA

    Here's some photos from a two day ride I did this spring on the fixed gear Spot monster crosser. 210 miles in two days, no coasting!
    Dude you are my hero. That is a rad lightweight touring set up. Were you camping or staying in hotels? I don't see a sleeping pad or poles for a tent. Did you bivy? Who makes that little rack connected to your braze ons?
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    Has anyone tried out Schwalbe Marathon XRs for long, mixed surface rides? It looks like they should handle gravel well, and dirt as long as its dry and hardish.



    700x42 and 29x2.0 shown. Rivendell shows actual widths at 37.6mm and 47.9mm. Not sure what rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnfiend
    Dude you are my hero. That is a rad lightweight touring set up. Were you camping or staying in hotels? I don't see a sleeping pad or poles for a tent. Did you bivy? Who makes that little rack connected to your braze ons?
    Well, I had a sleeping pad at the start of the ride, but it decided to part ways with me, so I just scraped some leaves together for a makeshift mattress under the bivy sack. No rear rack, just a couple of supports from an old rack meant to keep the missing pad from moving around too much. The rear under seat bag is made by Carousel Designs. Good stuff, used by some of the folks doing the GDR this year.
    You COULD do it on a geared bike, but I wouldn't reccomend it!

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    mini monster

    mostley a commuter but she wears 38s during cyclecross season. using a ENO hub that lets the rear tire fit. New wheel set is still commin. oh and she is fixed ( Boone 18t disc mount cog).

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    Sleeveless, thanks for your kind comments.

    Our frames are production models (the Peregrine, the red one, would be closest to what you are after will be out early in the new year) and as such I can't offer the sort of customisation you are after. Post-fitting S&S couplers is possible from many builders of course, and I could provide decals if that's what you were after. Being able to get you a frame depends on where you are based though, unfortunately at present I can't sell to North America for insurance reasons....

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    Blacksheep Monstercrosser. It's built to fit up to a 29x2.1, but I have yet to ride it with anything bigger than the 700x40s in this pic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man
    Blacksheep Monstercrosser. It's built to fit up to a 29x2.1, but I have yet to ride it with anything bigger than the 700x40s in this pic.
    Very nice. I've just got hold of a rohloff myself and had resigned myself to using a flat-ish bar with them. How do you find the practicality of shifting from the drops with your setup, and the remaining space on the drops - does it affect hand position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singular
    Very nice. I've just got hold of a rohloff myself and had resigned myself to using a flat-ish bar with them. How do you find the practicality of shifting from the drops with your setup, and the remaining space on the drops - does it affect hand position?

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    Since that pic was taken, I've turned the shifter around on the Hubub adapter so you could ride with the heel of your hand on the shifter if you wanted and shift that much quicker (if you really wanted to make it easy, you could cut down the bar on one side so that with the hubub adapter inserted it would be no longer than the other side). But overall, I don't find it affects usable hand positions at all. In fact, I'd say it causes less interference than barcons because you don't have a cable running under the bar tape. Now, I can imagine more elegant solutions to shifting a Rohloff with drops (something along these lines, for example), but so far nothing exists on the market. Thorn in the UK also makes a drop bar that splits apart and is sized to allow placement of a twist shifter on the tops, but I've never tried one or seen it in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlr40
    Here's mine, fresh among the fall oaks of Mt. Diablo
    Hmmmm...orange Quickbeam...very nice. Looks much nicer than the green, IMO.

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    thats my hunter up there, here are a few more pictures
    http://flickr.com/photos/obitarbit/s...7602359586604/
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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man
    Now, I can imagine more elegant solutions to shifting a Rohloff with drops (something along these lines, for example), but so far nothing exists on the market.
    D-man, try this.

    https://www.mittelmeyer.de/html/rennlenker.htm

    Great piece of gear which works well, but not as quick to shift as the setup you've got now as you've got to reach up to use it. Like you, I'm running that reversed Rohloff shifter on a cut-down Midge with a HubBub adapter on my BS fat tire rig, but I like the Mittelmeyer on the monstercross Chester a lot.

    I've since ditched the duct tape and wrapped it with Rivendell-inspired shellacked hemp twine for a better grip.

    BTW, the photo's my entry for the monstercross thread. Also BTW, ink1373, I'm using Schwalbe Marathon Cross, 38mm, they grip pretty well and roll really fast. I used them on Quantico singletrack when I was up there last week and they gripped OK, but wouldn't be my first choice for the woods. Too skinny and too hard, even at 40psi. The Fire Cross 45s are way better. But on the dirt and gravel roads I ride most of the time nere in NC, the Schwalbes are da bomb. Very fast, very tough, very puncture resistant, and very heavy. Like 670g. I don't care about the weight anymore, I just like stuff that lasts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    So has there ever been a monster cross built without a 45 degree stem and 40mm of spacers? Meaning...who's built a custom monstercross eliminating the need for the spacer/stem to gain all the reach?
    Yep
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/1992211996/" title="Slant Six by deppish60, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2012/1992211996_d7873262e9_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Slant Six" /></a>
    No spacers needed
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/1992203354/" title="Midge by deppish60, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2365/1992203354_d738d29caa_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Midge" /></a>
    Stem is angled at 17°
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/1992200016/" title="Stem by deppish60, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2326/1992200016_e3b2918357_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Stem" /></a>
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    Good job! Hmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by Chequama Mama
    Nat, a really simple solution for this problem is to get a cable hanger with a slot in it, or whip out your hacksaw, dremel, whatever floats your boat and cut a slot in your existing one. I'm running bonty XR 1.8s (45c) on a cross check with no problems with this set up.
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    Could you explain this setup a bit more. Maybe some pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chequama Mama
    Nat, a really simple solution for this problem is to get a cable hanger with a slot in it, or whip out your hacksaw, dremel, whatever floats your boat and cut a slot in your existing one. I'm running bonty XR 1.8s (45c) on a cross check with no problems with this set up.
    YO MAMA
    Thanks for your suggestion. I can't quite picture what you are describing, but I wouldn't mind seeing it like Sleeveless asked.

    On my bike the issue was that the brake pads ran into the fork legs, and the thickness of the pads prevented the tire from squeezing through. The cable was not involved. I eventually bought narrow pads to give more room, but I also had skinnier tires by then so I don't know if the bigger tires will now squeeze through.

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    I get a lot of customers bike builds emailed to me, but this one is pretty unique. Here is what a Monstercrosser belonging to pro tour rider Dave Zabriskie looks like. Dave is a 2005 TDF yellow jersey wearer and holds the fastest prologue time trial time in the history of Tour de France. It's got a Dura Ace triple crankset and drop bars.
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    How's that for a feather in the cap for Niner? A Yellow jersey wearer riding one of thier rigs. Sweet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tamjam
    Hmmmm...orange Quickbeam...very nice. Looks much nicer than the green, IMO.
    Punk, who asked ya? I miss my green baby.


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    how precisely did a dura ace crank fit a aluminium frame? nice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow
    I get a lot of customers bike builds emailed to me, but this one is pretty unique. Here is what a Monstercrosser belonging to pro tour rider Dave Zabriskie looks like. Dave is a 2005 TDF yellow jersey wearer and holds the fastest prologue time trial time in the history of Tour de France. It's got a Dura Ace triple crankset and drop bars.
    Though definitely a unique bike with some sweet components, that's not a monstercrosser in my book. The only thing that fits is the drop bars, and the suspension fork definitely disqualifies it.

    I guess for someone who spends 6 hours a day on drops, they work on what would otherwise be a full fledged mountain bike.

    The DA crankset is definitely interesting, that man's got some legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow
    I get a lot of customers bike builds emailed to me, but this one is pretty unique. Here is what a Monstercrosser belonging to pro tour rider Dave Zabriskie looks like. Dave is a 2005 TDF yellow jersey wearer and holds the fastest prologue time trial time in the history of Tour de France. It's got a Dura Ace triple crankset and drop bars.
    meh, they sell those yellow jerseys at the LBS... just kidding!

    i bet he hauls a$$ on that thing. send him a niner rigid fork.
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    Yeah - I like the bigger tires on my personal cross bikes. I'm able to mount fat tires on my BLUE XC6.5 - the frame and fork have tons of tire clearance. I've got 42c tires on it at the moment with room to spare. Here's a link to a pic that's on our site...

    http://www.webcyclery.com/product.ph...6&cat=0&page=1

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    my monster

    I have a multi purpose Monster Monkey Crosser (MPMMC or just MM for short). You can see a picture of it in your imagination. My fav gear is the Midges, a lot of HS spacers, a right STI lever and now a recently added Bonty 1.8. I was quite happy how it went on the rough trails. I think it will be even more at home on less technical trails which are becoming more of the norm around here. Tried some 35-37c cross tires but the ride and handling is just too harsh for me.
    I used to live in Nashville - great town. How's the trail riding down there?

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    I have dug through all the old monstercross threads and am lusting for more info. I want anything you've got monstercross (less than 2.0 tires and drop bars) related.

    Favorite monstercross gear would be great. Photos and ride reports would be even better. Show me your rigs, tell me your tales, give me something to read while I should be working.

    I'll seriously take whatever you've got on the subject, and if you own one of these beasts and live near Nashville, I'd love to hit you up for a test ride.

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    Airborne Carpe Diem Monstercross

    Here is a crappy picture of my Airborne monster crosser from a ride last winter. Very fun bike for exploring trails and dirt roads around Vermont. XR 1.8 in front and a Ritchey ZED 700x42 in the back. I had to do a little 'cold working' to get the rear tire to fit the chainstays, and it still rubs a little, but I reall like the Ritchey tire! Steelman fork in front fits the Bonty no problem.
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    Holy carp. After scanning this thread I'm going to have to go take a cold shower.
    Nobody cares what kind of bike you ride.

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    If Zabriskie would put a thudbustr on that bike it would give the ultimate long ride comfort. That is a Monster bike in my book.
    I bet that is a 26" Fox with a 700 wheel.
    I have seen pro road training bikes with front shocks in Europe for motor pacing on cobbled streets. Cool!

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    Okay, this is not a true Monster, but I ride it like one!

    This is my 1x9 Hampsten SBti, still wearing the summer tires (32mm Paselas). This winter it will get an ENO fixed gear hub in the rear and a Willits WOW fork up front, with disc brake so I can run some bigger CX tires. Now the biggest I can run are the Michelin Jets. I'll post an update after the conversion.

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    interesting bike -
    what RD are you running and what's the largest cog on the cassette? Also, friction shifter? Are you running the shifter cable from the left side of the cockpit and crossing it under the BB shell to the RD? If so, why? If not, how?

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    Peugeot Montercross



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    Who is riding that Peugeot without brakes? I'm thick in the head but I don't think I'd go off road (or anywhere really) without brakes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by undead
    Who is riding that Peugeot without brakes? I'm thick in the head but I don't think I'd go off road (or anywhere really) without brakes...
    He's got two brakes on it. His left leg and his right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by undead
    interesting bike -
    what RD are you running and what's the largest cog on the cassette? Also, friction shifter? Are you running the shifter cable from the left side of the cockpit and crossing it under the BB shell to the RD? If so, why? If not, how?
    Good eye on that cable routing! Yes, I run a single barcon on the right, crossing over to the left braze on, and then crossing once again under the down tube to the BB shell. I do this because the tension of the cable housing keeps it from rubbing the head tube. Here is another photo. And I am running a Dura Ace rear mech and a 12-27 cassette. I have run as big as 12-32 with this rear derailleur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hjalti
    I like her replacement though.
    That thing is enormous! Any idea when the Riv guys will be making more of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvi
    If Zabriskie would put a thudbustr on that bike it would give the ultimate long ride comfort. That is a Monster bike in my book.
    I bet that is a 26" Fox with a 700 wheel.
    I have seen pro road training bikes with front shocks in Europe for motor pacing on cobbled streets. Cool!
    Oh, it's definitely a monster, just not a monstercross. I'm curious as to the weight of such a setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmucker
    He's got two brakes on it. His left leg and his right.
    Until he throws the chain (speaking from experience)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boe
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    Surly Cross Check


    What size tire are you running on that Cross Check?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShivaSteve
    Until he throws the chain (speaking from experience)
    Then you have to go balls out, or flintstone a brake.

    Im running 44 WTB Mutanos on the monsters.

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    ... and if we just ... Hmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boe
    Then you have to go balls out, or flintstone a brake.

    Im running 44 WTB Mutanos on the monsters.
    Brakes or no brakes... I'm curious as to what model of old Puegeot that is. Where I live they're everywhere. I love that bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Speed
    Brakes or no brakes... I'm curious as to what model of old Puegeot that is. Where I live they're everywhere. I love that bike!
    Ditto. Bike looks great and I'd love to build up a beater with that sort of clearance.

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    Good job!

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    Don't take this the wrong way man, but you look beautiful riding that bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    Don't take this the wrong way man, but you look beautiful riding that bike.
    That is so sweet.
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    I don't think that you realize just how jealous of you guys I really am. Grrrr! Thanks for sharing though. Loving the bike porn.

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    I dont know what model the Peugeot is. It's one of their -70s low end touring bikes I think. Carbolite 103 tubing which is very basic but seems to hold up well riding it offroad after meny years of rusting...

    The frame has gone through some serious changes:






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    Quote Originally Posted by jace
    Ditto. Bike looks great and I'd love to build up a beater with that sort of clearance.
    I had to modify the chainstays with a pipe and a hammer to get enough clearance. The seatstays and fork cleared a 44 Mutanoraptor just fine.

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    That thing is enormous! Any idea when the Riv guys will be making more of them?
    It's a 64. There are/were available up to 68. I'm not sure what production status is. My broken one was replaced with "a super duper reinforced version." which seems to have been in a shipment of them in October, so they may have some around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boe
    I had to modify the chainstays with a pipe and a hammer to get enough clearance. The seatstays and fork cleared a 44 Mutanoraptor just fine.
    Huh, might have to look at trying to track one down. What are you running for a BB in the most recent setup (using french threads I assume?) Are you running the original fork/headset? It looks like you're running a non-french quill in most of the pics, did you manage to shove a standard quill in there? Any idea on the axle/crown on the stock fork?

    This could be a fun winter project..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jace
    Huh, might have to look at trying to track one down. What are you running for a BB in the most recent setup (using french threads I assume?) Are you running the original fork/headset? It looks like you're running a non-french quill in most of the pics, did you manage to shove a standard quill in there? Any idea on the axle/crown on the stock fork?

    This could be a fun winter project..
    Actually it has an english threaded BB, which was good for me!
    I am running the original fork and headset wich had french threads. It was not hard to get a standard quill stem into the headset. The AC is about 410mm.

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Boe
    I dont know what model the Peugeot is. It's one of their -70s low end touring bikes I think. Carbolite 103 tubing which is very basic but seems to hold up well riding it offroad after meny years of rusting...

    The frame has gone through some serious changes:


    Amazing what a difference a paint job and some love can make. I really appreciate someone taking the time to give an old bike a new life. Something about cycling and conservation like this that seem to go hand in hand.

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    Monster Qball

    Here is my attempt at Monster X. A Medium Qball with On-One midges. I've replaced the wtb saddle with a Koobi PRS. Also dumped the ultegra rear der for XTR.

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    Hey Dia Compe 287 V users....

    Quote Originally Posted by calzonical
    Here is my attempt at Monster X. A Medium Qball with On-One midges. I've replaced the wtb saddle with a Koobi PRS. Also dumped the ultegra rear der for XTR.

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    Sorry for the slight derailment but I've got a question for you Dia Compe 287 V users.

    I'm just about to set up a pair on my bars and while their appears to be no rocket science involved what does that little bolt (3mm hex I think) do besides hold the internal cable holder in place. The little bolt that goes through the front of the brake lever with the little plastic black cover attatched. I mean does it "adjust" anything or do you just tighten it and leave it be?

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    Bbmc.

    Here's my custom Bob Brown Monster cross. I've been enjoying this steel steed for a couple months on and off the cross course. The overall set up started out as a full on cross race machine and ended up as a superb mtb.

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    gorgeous ride. jitensha flat bar?

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    I think that the Bob Brown just made me wet myself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by creepyfriendly
    More [URL="http://creepyfriendly.typepad.com/photos/2007_cx/b4.html"].
    Why not drops?

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    Yup, Jitensha bars.

    I drove the drops for a bit. Gave them a good four races but the mtber inside of me begged for something else. I found a happy medium with the sweep. More than anything, it's preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creepyfriendly
    Here's my custom Bob Brown Monster cross. I've been enjoying this steel steed for a couple months on and off the cross course. The overall set up started out as a full on cross race machine and ended up as a superb mtb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creepyfriendly
    Yup, Jitensha bars.

    I drove the drops for a bit. Gave them a good four races but the mtber inside of me begged for something else. I found a happy medium with the sweep. More than anything, it's preference.
    Cool, how did you get those bars instead of something similar but more popular like the Mary from On One?

    I'm pretty set on Midges for my Cross Check build, but haven't really tried any other "funky bars" before so I might try something like these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creepyfriendly
    Here's my custom Bob Brown Monster cross. I've been enjoying this steel steed for a couple months on and off the cross course. The overall set up started out as a full on cross race machine and ended up as a superb mtb.

    More info.
    nice job on the barriers creepyfriendly!
    just a pump and a few other pics of some Bob Brown sweetness
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    Another Bob Brown

    Here's another Bob to supplement Creepyfriendly's. Same geometry but this one is Reynolds 953. Clearance to fit 2.2 tyres.
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    Newly built and ready

    Before I take it out and get it dirty, here's my Jake the Snake. Singled out, Midges, Racelight stem, Old school Ritchey cranks and seatpost, road BB7/987 brakes, Delgado cross on ultregra/hayes hubs, eggbeaters, some rasta here and there. I can fit a 29x2.1 on front, shown with a Fire Cross, and a Mythos slick or the shown lightly trimmed XR 1.8 fit out back.
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    What forks are they? Its rare to find CX forks that a) have a disc mount and b) take a fat tyre / tire

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    Before I take it out and get it dirty, here's my Jake the Snake. Singled out, Midges, Racelight stem, Old school Ritchey cranks and seatpost, road BB7/987 brakes, Delgado cross on ultregra/hayes hubs, eggbeaters, some rasta here and there. I can fit a 29x2.1 on front, shown with a Fire Cross, and a Mythos slick or the shown lightly trimmed XR 1.8 fit out back.
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    Custom

    Sorry, how could I leave Tony out. Custom Pereira fork, a little longer, a little extra offset to keep handling sharp, and clears a 29x2.1 if its dry outside.

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    monstercross

    Not a true monster cross, but it sure is fun!
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    also not really...

    also not really a monstercross, it's a drop bar 29er, but it pegs the fun meter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwills
    also not really a monstercross, it's a drop bar 29er, but it pegs the fun meter.
    More of a monstercross than many in this thread IMO. Lots of really nice bikes but not as many monstercross bikes. Looks nice!
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    Seems like the drop bar 29ers are becoming more and more popular as well.

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    A little late, but here's my rather -- um, utilitarian -- Karate Monkey in its current Monstercross form. Drop bars, barcon, 700x45 Hakkapeliitta studder in front, 700x42 Kenda K847 in back, reporting for duty sir. Also note the running lights and 1200 lumen (approx car headlight brighness) headlight. She ain't pretty, but she gets me there at a pretty good pace and she gets me noticed even on the darkest, rainiest nights.

    She wears faster 700x32s in summer, along with a 1x5 drivetrain. Just made the winter switchover to the 3-speed hub, geared 38x18 (x0.70, x1.0, x1.35)overall for commuting and 34x22 overall for the occasional offroad. The droopy chain you see here is due to the tendency of internally geared hubs to work their way forward in the dropouts (using low or high gear puts strong twisting forces on the axle), but since this photo was taken I've finally solved that problem with a chain tug.

    The phallic looking device protruding from the bottom bracket is the mount point for my son's Chariot Sidecarrier trailer.
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    Nice set up. I'm really close to getting a karate monkey for the same purpose, and as a geared alternative to my Quickbeam. All the road frames I get seem to break.
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    Hjalti, I'm betting a KM won't break on you. Mine's closing in on 7000 miles so far, still going strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creepyfriendly
    Here's my custom Bob Brown Monster cross. I've been enjoying this steel steed for a couple months on and off the cross course. The overall set up started out as a full on cross race machine and ended up as a superb mtb.

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    Not a GREAT picture but here is my contribution...

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    that is by far the ugliest KM i have ever seen. congratulations, you must be very proud
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hippienflipflops
    that is by far the ugliest KM i have ever seen. congratulations, you must be very proud
    Very proud. Of the function this bike provides, that is. Neither proud nor embarrassed about the ugliness. 99.9% of the people who see this bike (motorists) wouldn't know the difference between this and a perfectly clean Vanilla. All I care about is that they see me. And that they do.

    Kinda like telling a guy his dirt-spattered pickup is ugly.
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    Midge or WTB?

    Trying to decide which bars to get for the Commuter/Cyclo/Urban Assault bike (Surly Cross Check 62cm. Grey).
    Let me know what you all think.

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    I looked at the WTB when it came out, but concluded it wouldn't be anywhere near as comfortable or usable as the Midge. I thought the same looking at the Gary bar. Sorry I can't remember the exact differences anymore, but the Midge seemed better than both (at least for me) in terms of drop, reach, flare angle and the amount of usable space on top.

    Honestly the only thing I'd change about it would be (and this is a common complaint) I wish the end of the drops were about 1/2" longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PanFry
    Trying to decide which bars to get for the Commuter/Cyclo/Urban Assault bike (Surly Cross Check 62cm. Grey).
    Let me know what you all think.
    I had a chance over the weekend to sit on two bikes, one with the WTB and the other the Midge. The WTB had more drop and flared-out less, and had longer drops as well. The WTB felt closer to a more standard drop and the owner claimed the longer drops aided him in out of the saddle climbs. I would probably be happy with either one, though I did choose to order the Midge as I like the minimal drop and the substantial flare. If I were you I'd look at a bunch of pictures of bikes with both and make your decision on what you think is best for you, they're both really nice IMO.
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    i chose the wtb

    the bend thru the front of the drop position is nicer, more ergo, not as pinch-y. i've seen midges modified to create a nice happy spot in the front of the drop, but the wtb is good w/o any mods. the drop position is longer too. at times i wish it was flatter with regard to flare. i think the standing climbing position is great in the drops. i haven't been too motivated to try any other bars overall.

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    A little side question..

    I have a Empella crossfire cyclocross bike with a incredible amount of tire clearance and just for the hell of it I will like to see what happen if you mount really wide tires (well more than 35mm) with a good amount of volume for heavy trail riding dutty.


    I'm running and will be running hand lace Mavic open-pro rims so tire/rim compatibility is the main issue.



    As you can see is plenty of space left, well if you are not riding in thick mud at least.




    So the question is, how big of a tire can i run with out suffering "Roll overs" and making the bike ito a "Silly" useless monster (no offense)..!?!?

    And Yes I know this is a porpuse build cross bike and not a 29er but I still want to try.

    Ps: I love this compilation of awesome machines.

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    Patineto-you should be able to run as large a tire as you can cram in the chainstays and not worry about rolling a tire or it getting too squirmy. I run WTB Weirwolf LT 2.55 tires on my rigid single speed on wheels built around Mavic MA2 rims that are the same width as your Open Pros and they work great, never had a problem with the tire/rim combo. I like your chainstay guard, by the way .
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    Posted many times before...

    Still riding, probably gets the most mileage in the stable.

    Commuting, a little cross racing, gravel roads, singletrack, etc...

    Typically has 38c Serfas touring tires, this pic is with the Mutanos, also run Hutchinson Pro Cross tires for the races.



    ...and yes, that is circa ~89 8-speed Dura Ace. Still works great!

    A great bike. I'm pretty stoked that Surly is going to make one with S&S couplers in it. IT'll be the perfect 'do-all' travel bike.

    Scheming to buy another cross check...

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    Patineto -- ditto, whatever will fit without buzzing the fork legs or stays while under power. You'll want to leave a couple of mm to allow for frame and wheel flex. But it looks to me like you should be able to stuff a 700x45 in the fork. I was able to do that on my Bianchi Volpe, though I could only get a 700x35 to fit between the chainstays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by el-cid
    Patineto-you should be able to run as large a tire as you can cram in the chainstays and not worry about rolling a tire or it getting too squirmy. I run WTB Weirwolf LT 2.55 tires on my rigid single speed on wheels built around Mavic MA2 rims that are the same width as your Open Pros and they work great, never had a problem with the tire/rim combo.
    Great news.

    I'm being around mountain bikes since forever, but I confess I know very little about 700c wheels and much less 29ers

    I like your chainstay guard, by the way .


    Thanks senor, by now I have done it a few times.










    Quote Originally Posted by GlowBoy
    Patineto -- ditto, whatever will fit without buzzing the fork legs or stays while under power. You'll want to leave a couple of mm to allow for frame and wheel flex. But it looks to me like you should be able to stuff a 700x45 in the fork. I was able to do that on my Bianchi Volpe, though I could only get a 700x35 to fit between the chainstays.
    Awesome..

    I have about 74mm of total lateral space at the fork and 70mm vertical (from the rim) in the front and almost 64mm x 64mm in the back.

    now is just need to check for profiles, sizes and see what fits.

    thanks for the great advice & hope.
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    I'm working on a bastardized Monstercross thing right now. I'll post some pics ASAP. Probably when I finish it tomorrow or Friday. Only so much time. At that point, I'll explain what it is. An odd story. Let's just say that I can hardly wait to ride this thing.

    I like the chainstay cover too. Is that tape or what? How'd you do the combo colors?

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    Patineto - hello again! I recognize that one rear chainstay - Balfa 2Step DH!!

    Cheers,

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    Mostercross/drop bar 29er

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/mike_mc/839416639/" title="2007_07_17_Solitude_pics 009 by Mike Mc, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1147/839416639_d8742cec73_o.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="2007_07_17_Solitude_pics 009" /></a>

    Here's my drop bar 29er. As it's got 42c tyres at the moment, it's more of a monstercross. It's got the obligatory Midge bars, Brooks saddle and ss/fixie drivetrain.

    The bars are high (it's a Matt Chester-inspired build), but not as high as they look in this picture!

    (Yet another) big thanks to Solitude Alex (singlespeedpunk) for offering this custom build as a prize at the 2006 UK SS championships. This build suits me and the riding I do perfectly, but I'd probably never have gone this route if I was paying for a frame myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Patineto - hello again! I recognize that one rear chainstay - Balfa 2Step DH!!

    Cheers,

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    Hello Mark always a Pleasure..

    Hey great idea on your website, maybe I need to start something similar so I don't end up buying every good deal I find..

    So how many 29ers do you have now...!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Speed

    I like the chainstay cover too. Is that tape or what? How'd you do the combo colors?
    Nope mister Single speeder, is Not tape..

    Recycle "Mt Tuffys" since they suck to protect flats (sometimes even promote flats), but they rule to wrap things around..

    I did not know it was so much interest, so I start a How to Report on the "Tooltime" forum.

    So far I'm being using the same trick for about 7 years and none a scratch on any of my chain stays, even suffering from "chainsuck" farder more the material is so thick, strong and flexible does not even get damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    Hello Mark always a Pleasure..

    Hey great idea on your website, maybe I need to start something similar so I don't end up buying every good deal I find..

    So how many 29ers do you have now...!?!?
    I have Zero 29ers right now Ricardo.

    Check your PMs.

    Great to see you back posting. We need to catch up.

    Cheers,

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    Here is a better pic of Dave Z's bike I just got. I am tempted to build one myself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by creepyfriendly
    Here's my custom Bob Brown Monster cross. I've been enjoying this steel steed for a couple months on and off the cross course. The overall set up started out as a full on cross race machine and ended up as a superb mtb.

    More info.


    MERCY...your Bob Brown is gorgeous. Nice job !

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    More Monster Goodness

    Hey Patineto, Try Bonty XR 1.8s, they shold clear both ends fine but I doubt bigger will fit in back, a Fire cross may fit the front too.

    Got the wheels turning on a custom being planned now, 29 x 2.1 clearance in fillet brazed Zona, Midges, 1 x 9 or SS with Horizontal road dropouts, Mullet bb7 front - Canti rear brakes.

    Those Bob Browns are incredible, but sadly too much coin right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retrocowboy
    Not a true monster cross, but it sure is fun!
    holy cow! that inbred is ace! what size frame is that and how tall are you?

    i'm thinking of a similar build for a project but not sure what size 29er frame would be right when using midge bars
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    How is the Dura Ace triple fitted to that AIR9? Is it custom?

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    Here's mine - not quite finished yet - bars still in wrong position.


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    Those tires and those wheels are quite monsterous - in a very cool way!

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    Does this qualify as monster cross?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow
    Here is a better pic of Dave Z's bike I just got. I am tempted to build one myself!
    Think anyone other than a pro tour roadie could handle that sort of drop/stretch? Or maybe it's not that much.

    Looks seriously good though, I'd love to see one of these in Paris-Roubaix

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgi
    Think anyone other than a pro tour roadie could handle that sort of drop/stretch? Or maybe it's not that much.

    Looks seriously good though, I'd love to see one of these in Paris-Roubaix
    my stupid bars are 12mm or so higher (vert) from the top of bar down to the saddle, to get the 'right' position in the hook and on the ends. mmm drop bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miketually
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    The cows seem quite intrigued. Are your bars wrapped with leather?
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    The cows seem quite intrigued. Are your bars wrapped with leather?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnfiend
    The cows seem quite intrigued. Are your bars wrapped with leather?
    It's a Brooks saddle

    One of them did have a good lick of it - there was cow slobber all over the saddle. They followed me from the gate at the other end of the field; I was scared.

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    a few more from the collection to keep the fire burning:

    sorry if there's some repeats.
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    Late entry, shown here with 29er tyres but now rocking the Conti Twister 42c

    Zona frame, On-One forks. Phil / DT wheels. Avid BB7R and XTR canti for full mullet effect Sugino / Surly / PC58 / Phil Wood fixie drive chain. Midge bars, Salsa stem and Brooks Swift finish it off.

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    Just built this up last week and have put some miles on it. Super fun! I think I hit the setup spot on first try, it feels just right on streets, dirt road, and single track. 38/19 gear. I may switch over to an extra set of Dura-ace cranks I've got and maybe a carbon fork, but so far it's great.




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    Quote Originally Posted by sportcult
    Just built this up last week and have put some miles on it. Super fun! I think I hit the setup spot on first try, it feels just right on streets, dirt road, and single track. 38/19 gear. I may switch over to an extra set of Dura-ace cranks I've got and maybe a carbon fork, but so far it's great.
    Is that a Mary bar you're running with tape? Out of curiosity, why did you put the grips on the end, instead of tape all the way down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Yeah - I like the bigger tires on my personal cross bikes. I'm able to mount fat tires on my BLUE XC6.5 - the frame and fork have tons of tire clearance. I've got 42c tires on it at the moment with room to spare. Here's a link to a pic that's on our site...

    http://www.webcyclery.com/product.ph...6&cat=0&page=1
    Can you get a WTB NanoRaptor in the front and rear? If so, I'll buy that frame and fork! Sweet, just what I have been searching to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notrelatedtoted
    Is that a Mary bar you're running with tape? Out of curiosity, why did you put the grips on the end, instead of tape all the way down?
    My guess is they are inverted Mary Bars.

    sportcult - The Dillinger looks good in your latest incarnation of it.

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    In an old thread, someone used the term MoFo Crosser, I like that term better than Monster Cross, and that is what I call my Cross Check. Here is my dirty, nasty MoFoCxC, I love, love, love this bike and the places it takes me.
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    A bunch of cool bikes in this thread... That Moots looks fantastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notrelatedtoted
    Is that a Mary bar you're running with tape? Out of curiosity, why did you put the grips on the end, instead of tape all the way down?
    Upside down Mary bar. Tape in the middle for smooth cruising, comfy cheap foam grips on the ends for the rough stuff. I've been using that foam on my rigid bikes lately and it works really well. It is way cushier than even an Oury grip and it doesn't get slick when it's wet like rubber grips. They're the long ones that used to be on cheap 10 speeds...

    Even on a regular bar it gives you more positions for your hands:

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    Quote Originally Posted by sportcult
    Upside down Mary bar. Tape in the middle for smooth cruising, comfy cheap foam grips on the ends for the rough stuff. I've been using that foam on my rigid bikes lately and it works really well. It is way cushier than even an Oury grip and it doesn't get slick when it's wet like rubber grips. They're the long ones that used to be on cheap 10 speeds...

    Even on a regular bar it gives you more positions for your hands:
    WOW! That Monstercross Origin8 looks just like a mt bike!

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    CrossCheck in commuter form

    This bike goes from commuter to mountain bike with a quick change of the rear cog/chain and bonty 1.8 xr 29" tires.

    48/18 and 48/24 - guaranteed to suffer on both road and mountain.

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/spookykinkajou/Bike/photo#5151738554246763250"><img src="https://lh6.google.com/spookykinkajou/R36m64WQEvI/AAAAAAAAArg/QouoFTkMIoo/s144/CIMG0600.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/spookykinkajou/Bike/photo#5151738567131665154"><img src="https://lh5.google.com/spookykinkajou/R36m7oWQEwI/AAAAAAAAAro/cKNdI7zvfGE/s144/CIMG0601.JPG" /></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    All you 8 to 9 feet tall bike geek (freaks) gather round......

    I've seen Bill Walton's and Karim Abdul Jabar's bikes, and they are not that big. Probably too much for Yao Ming.
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    Oops.

    Uhh, yeah, centimeters.

    Thanks.

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    Monstercross next to the railroad tracks. They plow next to the tracks around here and it makes for some superb riding. Just a little sketchy when the trains go by.
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    Needs more cowbell....er...I mean monstercross!

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    Ok, I guess I'll post something to keep it alive. Shesh people, Give us the said cross' and keep i coming. Easily the best post going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bstrick
    Ok, I guess I'll post something to keep it alive. Shesh people, Give us the said cross' and keep i coming. Easily the best post going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bstrick
    Ok, I guess I'll post something to keep it alive. Shesh people, Give us the said cross' and keep i coming. Easily the best post going.
    Glad to see it's still alive and others are enjoying it as much as I have.

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    Cross Check with 38c All Terrainasaurus

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    Infected I tell you....

    .... and today's project is?
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    My New Salsa La Cruz

    Here my latest. Disclaimer. I work for Salsa Cycles.

    Crossmax 29's and Mutanoraptor 44's.
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    Sick La cruz! Thats on my short list of bikes when my trusty Tricross is retired.
    MORE PICS OF IT PLZ!!!!

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    is that peace gt fixed? nice!
    For a rock steady Gas Tank bag > the DeWidget

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    Quote Originally Posted by bstrick
    .... and today's project is?
    Sweet

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    Quote Originally Posted by bstrick
    .... and today's project is?
    Nice mtn. fixie...brakes are for suckers. Seriously, when will we see some sweet skids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandma'sboy
    Nice mtn. fixie...brakes are for suckers. Seriously, when will we see some sweet skids.
    Come ride this with me, it goes on for about 2.5 miles and 1100 feet down, and tell me that at the bottom.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Gnat... incredibly beautiful ride there. What size tire can you fit in there comfortably?

    I'm off to read your blog now. Ciao!

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    Crossmax 29's and Mutanoraptor 44's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Speed
    Gnat... incredibly beautiful ride there. What size tire can you fit in there comfortably?

    I'm off to read your blog now. Ciao!
    I've seen both the mutano 44's and the IRC 42's in there with good success.

    I know the crossblasters don't fit. I've tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Come ride this with me, it goes on for about 2.5 miles and 1100 feet down, and tell me that at the bottom.

    Just wait till I get my fixed monster trike built and I will. You will worship me and my mtn. skids.



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    Danger Danger, new bike obsession stirring….

    Help, Help, I think this thread has pushed me over the edge………

    Been thinking about a monstercross or drop bar 29er for a while………..

    Can’t stop myself…….

    Copied about 30+ pictures for ideas (thanks for all the bar, gearing, frame,etc ideas)

    Off to my LBS (support your favorite LBS!!) to discuss mostercross bikes………

    Surely they will talk me out of plunging into new bike mania…..
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    I have an XL Raleigh XXIX on order that's going to have WTB Dirt Drops and Road Avids applied this weekend with any luck.

    Then I will flirt with the idea of riding the Ouachita Challnge on it in April.

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