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    Help deciding on new dream bike

    I have been riding a Haro 29er hardtail for a little while now and I am ready take the plunge towards a dually. My current 26 duallies are a Intense Tracer VP and Foes FXR with a Curnutt Coil. The Intense is my favorite by far because the suspension suits me well and love the handling characistics. The Foes handles pretty awesome also but I don't dig the Curnutt as much. I do most of my riding in rooty and rocky South Florida with the occasional trip to NC. High speed handling is what I look for most in a bike. So here are my 29er dually options I am considering.

    Intense Tracer 29er with XX build. (not enough fork options yet)

    Foes B29er with Fox rear shock and XX build. (plenty of fork options)

    Santa Cruz Tallboy with XX build. (really light and plenty of fork options)

    Turner Sultan with XX build. (legendary Turner handling-pro, being a homer-con)

    Any opinions?

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    Santa Cruz Tallboy with XX build

    Based only on reviews though.

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    whats wrong with niner?

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    I recently went through the same process but had only a slightly different list.
    1. tallboy
    2. tracer
    3. sultan
    4. evolve
    I ultimately went with the ellsworth evolve because I'm short and the fit looked like it would be better for me. I love it and would absolutely not trade, but I must say the tallboy would have been my choice if I was tall enough to have fit well on it.

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    I have a NINER Rip 9 that was a warranty replacement for a broken frame. I smack the pedals way to often on it and I don't care for the handling much. Great company though.

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    Have you considered Pivot?
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    The intense is not released yet is it? It seems the Tracer is having huge problems with rear triangle failures. I wouldn't be jumping strait into the 29 when its out. It looks the goods on paper though. My 6.6 has given me no end of problems with pivot failures.
    I've seen enough carbon failures and a few with dramatic consequences to not trust it. I don't believe any of the manufacturers claims. I'd never buy a Tallboy.
    It sounds to me that the Pivot won't be enough bike for you with the trails you ride.
    I love my new RIP9 so we disagree on that.
    Have you considered the WFO?

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    The WFO is entering my short list now. The pivot doesn't do it for me. To similar to the RIP.

    I wish there was more test or info on the Foes. I am surprised no one chimed in on the Sultan.

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    Independent Fabrication Ti Deluxe with SRAM XX

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbernard71
    Turner Sultan with XX build. (legendary Turner handling-pro, being a homer-pro)
    I changed it for you


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    I changed it for you

    Thats funny!

    Now tell me why I should go with a Sultan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbernard71
    Thats funny!

    Now tell me why I should go with a Sultan.
    I could only tell you why I went with the Sultan. In the end, the fit is one of the most important aspects of your bike choice...you have to make that call. For me, aside from fit...the Turner offers a proven performer, durability and renown customer service.



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    Surprised Superfly 100 was not on anyone's list. I would go with a tallboy myself although I have not ridden it yet. I think these things are going to be freaky fast. Do you really need one in Florida? Seems like a hardtail would be most adequate.

    Let us know your choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbernard71

    Intense Tracer 29er with XX build. (not enough fork options yet)

    Foes B29er with Fox rear shock and XX build. (plenty of fork options)

    Santa Cruz Tallboy with XX build. (really light and plenty of fork options)

    Turner Sultan with XX build. (legendary Turner handling-pro, being a homer-con)

    Any opinions?
    I would add the Lenz Behemoth to the list.

    Of your choices, my E-pinion is that the Tracer will be badazz, but who knows when it is available, so that leaves the Tallboy.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbernard71
    Now tell me why I should go with a Sultan.
    One reason, other than it being a great company with an owner who seems to stand behind what he and his crew does - is that his crew is all based here in this country, earning wages & paying taxes and spending their money (hopefully) here. That should also be true with the Intense and Ellsworth bikes. SC, while probably a great riding bike, is made (like virtually all CF products) overseas, and you are supporting a company that is making big-mark-ups just like any of the other big-box producers, paying those profits to either shareholders or to owners "living large". I don't have anything against SC - I just feel that for being a supposed "boutique" maker - they really don't offer a boutique product with a Taiwan-made line. Same for Pivot - nice bike, but for the same $$ you can get truly handmade products that help out OUR economy. When the choice is there at a price point, I think you can see which way I'd lean... Just my .02
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    Being made here in the states is a factor for me. All my main bikes are made in the USA except my 84 Pinarello Montello. The Tallboy peaked my interest because I could build a freakish sub 25lb 29er trailbike.

    I will probally buy one the American made bikes. Just got off the Turner site and read some really good reviews on it.

    Now I am just confused as all heck.

    Anyone build a Sultan with an XX build?

    And yes u r right. My biking friends think I am awesome and my wifes friends think I am tragic.

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    http://www.sapagroup.com/us/Company-...a-Bike-Frames/

    So much for keeping your money in the US of A. Turners are welded by Sapa, which is a company from Sweden. Not quite Asia, but still not US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knobby4me
    Surprised Superfly 100 was not on anyone's list. I would go with a tallboy myself although I have not ridden it yet. I think these things are going to be freaky fast. Do you really need one in Florida? Seems like a hardtail would be most adequate.

    Let us know your choice.
    To many roots and logs for my lazy lard butt to deal with a Hardtail fulltime.

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    why not a custom job? find a local builder who's work you like and willing to support. it's also along the same lines as ATBScott but you'll actually meet the person fabricating your ride and possibly shake the same hands that crafted your machine.
    will you rep me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whydomylegshurt?
    http://www.sapagroup.com/us/Company-...a-Bike-Frames/

    So much for keeping your money in the US of A. Turners are welded by Sapa, which is a company from Sweden. Not quite Asia, but still not US.
    It appears that they do their manufacturing in Portland, Oregon, though they are owned by a Swedish company. Americans being outsourced by Swedish? Neat if true. Can anyone confirm or deny that? As long as the labor gets done over here it's all good imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thanoz
    It appears that they do their manufacturing in Portland, Oregon, though they are owned by a Swedish company. Americans being outsourced by Swedish? Neat if true. Can anyone confirm or deny that? As long as the labor gets done over here it's all good imo.
    Yes SAPA makes the bikes for Turner and a number of other American made companies. Everything is formed, machined, Welded, and heat treated in the US. They also do anodizing as well. The frames are made 100% in the USA. Even though it is owned by someone else all production is done in the states.

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    Guess again

    Quote Originally Posted by whydomylegshurt?
    http://www.sapagroup.com/us/Company-...a-Bike-Frames/

    So much for keeping your money in the US of A. Turners are welded by Sapa, which is a company from Sweden. Not quite Asia, but still not US.
    Sapa Extrusions is a subsidiary of Sapa AB, which is fully owned by the Norwegian conglomerate Orkla. From their webpage

    And Budweiser is a Belgian company, Inbev, now.

    Ben and Jerry's is owned by Dutch company Unilever.

    To bring this full circle, Swedish car maker SAAB is no longer owned by GM in Detroit, but by a Dutch company, Spyker.

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    Titus Titanium

    Drop the XX, take the money you save and get a USA made titanium Titus Rockstar.
    A cross between the FTM and the Racer X 29.
    Due out in March.
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    Definitely the Tracer or Sultan. You having a Tracer and Foes says to me you dont want some panty-waisted FS bike thus, the Tallboi has no business on your list. And the Foes, I believe but could be wrong, has awful geometry, retarded pricetag, and not too much travel.

    XX build is ghey IMHO but it will impress the roadies if you frequent Starbucks via bike so go for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbernard71
    Thats funny!

    Now tell me why I should go with a Sultan.
    I have a Sultan because jncarpenter bought one and he knows everything so i knew it was the best

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    Last edited by Enel; 02-10-2010 at 09:40 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    uhhh...

    Quote Originally Posted by mbernard71
    To many roots and logs for my lazy lard butt to deal with a Hardtail fulltime.


    The Superfly 100 has 4" of travel? It is a XC FS 29er.
    The new GF Rumblefish is more of a AM trail bike and heaver/stiffer/cheaper... Here is the spiel from Gary, stay away from pharmaceutical grade ganja kids!
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    not into CF and want a racy bike, fairly plush, however the bottom bracket is a little low - Pivot

    light and plush, but with a little bob - TB

    USA made, pedals almost as well as the Pivot and just as well as the TB IMHO and gorgeous - El Rey

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    I have narrowed it down to the Tracer or Sultan.

    I just wish the Tracer had more Fork options. I prefer Fox on my bikes so that puts the Sultan ahead of the Tracer. But damn that Tracer is hawt looking. I know I can't go wrong with either so maybe I can get both in the same color and my wife wouldn't know the difference.

    BTW-I prefer Dunkin donuts but I am still sticking with the XX.....I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbernard71
    I have narrowed it down to the Tracer or Sultan.

    I just wish the Tracer had more Fork options. I prefer Fox on my bikes so that puts the Sultan ahead of the Tracer. But damn that Tracer is hawt looking. I know I can't go wrong with either so maybe I can get both in the same color and my wife wouldn't know the difference.

    BTW-I prefer Dunkin donuts but I am still sticking with the XX.....I think
    As much as I appreciate Intense for pushing the envelope with 29ers...if you are down to those two, the answer is easy: Turner!!!! Seriously, you will be happy you did (especially if the XX is really a design goal).


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    Your money and your choice, but I find it funny that it is so important to buy an American made frame and be so specific about specing it with foreign components. I understand there are no US made complete drivetrains, but still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach417
    Your money and your choice, but I find it funny that it is so important to buy an American made frame and be so specific about specing it with foreign components. I understand there are no US made complete drivetrains, but still.
    Exactly what I was thinking while reading this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbernard71
    I have narrowed it down to the Tracer or Sultan.

    I just wish the Tracer had more Fork options. I prefer Fox on my bikes so that puts the Sultan ahead of the Tracer. But damn that Tracer is hawt looking. I know I can't go wrong with either so maybe I can get both in the same color and my wife wouldn't know the difference.

    BTW-I prefer Dunkin donuts but I am still sticking with the XX.....I think
    what do you mean by more fork options? the tracer "can" run a 120mm fork which allows Fox if thats important, not sure why, but it can. set Tracer at 5.5" setting and it would be fine no doubt. basically, unless the final geo specs show unambiguously that 120mm fork is a bad idea, which i doubt, the Tracer is more flexible than the sultan in this regard as it can run tapered forks - Sultan cannot.

    not saying you should get one over the other, as both are rad, but just commenting on fork statement is all

    as for the know it alls commenting on US made components, good thing their opinion means ass and its your decision

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    Buying American was a factor but not the final decision maker. I thinks its cool to have a bike handmade in the USA and even cooler to call someone like Brent and know he may have actually welded the top tube on your bike(if I went with the Foes).

    As far as the fork. I have had bad luck with WB and Marz. Good luck with RS and Fox. Just wish they both built a 150 or even 140 for a
    29er.

    As far as components go I have XTR on the Tracer and XO on the FXR. So I am just going with the latest and greatest. Besides that rear cog is BADAZZ to look at in person. And heck I think SRAM started in Chicago, Right? that should count for something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbernard71
    Buying American was a factor but not the final decision maker. I thinks its cool to have a bike handmade in the USA and even cooler to call someone like Brent and know he may have actually welded the top tube on your bike(if I went with the Foes).
    Then why not get the Foes?

    The Sultan and Tracer will ride quite differently based on the geometry I have seen for the Tracer. I don't even know if the geo is finalized for that bike??
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    I finally made a decision. Here she is.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/foesrac...7623488609771/


    So I just finished building my new 29er. It came in at 26.10. I can drop another 600 grams with some lighter tires. I could lighten it up with some different grips and bars also. But I think a 4in 29er under 27lbs is still pretty awesome. Here is the build kit.

    Sram XX with 166q factor cranks 26-39
    Sram XX Elixr with 185 rotors
    Sram XX shifters
    Sram XX fr and rr changers
    Sram XX cog 11-36
    Sram 1090r chain
    Shimano XTR pedals
    Crossmax 29er
    Maxxis Ardents
    Thomson Masterpiece Laidback
    Thomson 100mm stem
    FSA gravity carbon bars
    Diety grips
    Selle Italia saddle with Troy Lee design
    Gore sealed cable system.

    Thanks to Jim at Jim's bicycle in Deerfield Fl for hooking me up on the parts and Matt at Speedgoat for the frame and fork.

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