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    Over here a frame on its own it £2500+
    My complete build is well under that.

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    Well you could buy a superfly 100

    Quote Originally Posted by Barteos View Post
    There was a time when I was very tempted with Chinese frames but then I've done the math and I've realised that they turn out to be quite an expensive option. Some other problems aside, considering the resalable(?) "value", the moment you buy it, you effectively throw away most of your money.
    I understand this argument. But try reselling a Trek/Gary Fisher Collection bike. No frame warrantee. I broke my first Paragon, and while I love the bike, I bet I couldn't sell it for that much more than a no name carbon frame.

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    Fair enough guys.
    I remain sceptical though and I guess only time will tell what wider effect those "cheap" frames will have on our pockets in a longer run. (even of those who don't own or going to buy one).
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    So, to jump to the ned of this thread, is it any good? Ive been toying with these for a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by shem View Post
    So, to jump to the ned of this thread, is it any good? Ive been toying with these for a while
    yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    yes
    I've already ordered mine so too late to change now, but what's impressions on rear stiffness? Is a 10mm thru axle needed for XC stuff?

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    What carbon weave did you go Tim?
    I'm all set to order but can't make up my mind on 12k Matte, UD Matt or UD gloss

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    Well I don't notice any rear flex in the frame but a slight flex in the wheels when hitting some jumps along the xc routes.
    Mine is a 3k gloss finish BTW

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowseruni View Post
    What carbon weave did you go Tim?
    I'm all set to order but can't make up my mind on 12k Matte, UD Matt or UD gloss
    I actually went matte 3k finish.

    I have a theory (could be wrong!) that matte 3k hides any floors better, plus it looks stealthy

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-milkybar-kid View Post
    That's the one

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    Cheers

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    My chiner
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    Step by step
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    Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-imageuploadedbytapatalk1341262957.555910.jpgDual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-imageuploadedbytapatalk1341262990.761826.jpgDual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-imageuploadedbytapatalk1341263005.973064.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiro View Post
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    Ha, I also call my LTK-023 my "chiner"

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiro View Post
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    What size frame is that?
    Fork travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiro View Post
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    Sorry, I was referring to your frame Wiro.

    What's the frame size/suspension travel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbo83 View Post
    Sorry, I was referring to your frame Wiro.

    What's the frame size/suspension travel
    Hi Timbo
    Is the 17'5" frame size.
    100mm rear travel. 165mm rear shock.

    Sorry my English.

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    orange lamborghini metalic color on frame will be awesome! or white :MRGREEN:

    100g more heavy for stilish

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    They are $700 so mine cost me £440 then the price of the shock on top.

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    i need one that has the longest ETT.

    suggestions on where to buy or are they all selling the same frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bt View Post
    i need one that has the longest ETT.

    suggestions on where to buy or are they all selling the same frame?
    All the same frame, same geometry at least.

    See flyxii link here - http://flyxii.com/products_1.asp?menuid=336&id=601 - for geometry. Top tube is fairly long, especially with the seat tube angle being so raked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbo83 View Post
    All the same frame, same geometry at least.

    See flyxii link here - FLYXI - for geometry. Top tube is fairly long, especially with the seat tube angle being so raked
    cool thx.

    I saw that this one is sold as a 21.5" frame so I thought it might have a longer ett but I couldn't find a geo chart on it. If it's the same frame then it's mute point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bt View Post
    cool thx.

    I saw that this one is sold as a 21.5" frame so I thought it might have a longer ett but I couldn't find a geo chart on it. If it's the same frame then it's mute point.

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    Yeah I think the hong fu sizing isn't accurate. If you check the seat tube length of the flyxii duallie's geo it's exactly 21 inches in the 21 size.

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    What suspension fork is best for the flyxi frame? 80mm, 100mm or 120mm?

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    The frame is designed for 100mm fork, but I ride with 80mm and other ones with 120mm without problems

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    Ok, thanks:-)

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    Anybody seen a 120-130mm rear travel frame yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Anybody seen a 120-130mm rear travel frame yet?
    chinese ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Anybody seen a 120-130mm rear travel frame yet?
    Given that there is only currently 1 Dual Suspension Chinese generic frame, the answer to that would be no.

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    any chance to design going to horst link?

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    Hi all, can you tell us about the Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon 29er?
    I want to build a bike for XC, can give some advice?
    I choose chinese or Giant Anthem x 29.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad40rus View Post
    I choose chinese or Giant Anthem x 29.
    that's what I did.

    wish I could tell you more but I'm still waiting for my frame to arrive

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    Who is waiting for one off these mines been on order from flyxii for 6 weeks now and it's still not been posted.

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    I ordered mine from flyxi at 26 june, they told me that it should take 30 days before frame was ready from the factory. Got an email 3 days ago (31 july) with tracking number so it has been sent from Hong Kong.

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    They said 30 days for mine then 7 and now 10 more days so hopefully it will be here by the end of the month,I asked for a 3K Matt 19"

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    What type of rear shock (hi, med, low) would you recommend to use with flyxii FM-210 frame?

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    I thinking of one of these frames but all the talk about the shock mounting hardware and bearings kind of freaks me out. I can build a bike from scratch, well build a HT from scratch. Done it too many times to mention, but all the talk about the shock has me lost. Can someone help me out with this? I have no idea where to start or what I would need. What all is needed besides the shock to mount on this frame?

    Or would it be something my lbs would have on hand? I wouldn't mind just paying them to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    I thinking of one of these frames but all the talk about the shock mounting hardware and bearings kind of freaks me out. I can build a bike from scratch, well build a HT from scratch. Done it too many times to mention, but all the talk about the shock has me lost. Can someone help me out with this? I have no idea where to start or what I would need. What all is needed besides the shock to mount on this frame?

    Or would it be something my lbs would have on hand? I wouldn't mind just paying them to do it.
    Its dead simple, when you buy your shock it should come with bush mounts?
    you need 22mm bushes and a M6 hole in the middle of the bush.
    all you need to buy after that is a smooth shank M6 bolt to go through it.

    If your used to building bikes, you'll have nothing to worry about!

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    I ordered 4 frames from Jenny at Hong-Fu. They were supposedly completed and couriered/mailed on July 12. It's now over 4 weeks later and no sign of them at all.

    Has anyone else had frames turn up after such a long period? Any recommendations on how one can trace (apart from the website) EMS parcels?

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    From the german site selling the (overpriced) painted version of this frame I see that the rider limit is 100kg (220lbs).

    I'm 220lbs fully loaded, anyone else around my size ride this frame? It's strange that this frame has the lowest max rider weight of all the other similar name-brand ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raceface_lefty View Post
    I ordered 4 frames from Jenny at Hong-Fu. They were supposedly completed and couriered/mailed on July 12. It's now over 4 weeks later and no sign of them at all.

    Has anyone else had frames turn up after such a long period? Any recommendations on how one can trace (apart from the website) EMS parcels?
    Did you get a tracking number for the EMS trace? My Light-Bicycle.com rims came via USPS after customs if that helps. I was told by my local postman that packages would tend to "get lost" on the Asian end, rather than the US end...including China and Taiwan...unless it came express.

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    Mine will be here on Tuesday I had to pay £21 customs so not to bad will post a pick when it's done cant wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Did you get a tracking number for the EMS trace?
    They have turned up after 5 weeks, are now in customs for clearing. Can't wait to build and ride.

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    Just done it 19" 3K Matt the frame came with the rear shock bolts so all need is the 8x22mm mount kit,it comes in at 23.3lb so not bad.

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    looks good, just 100mm up front?
    I've just changed mine from single ring to double and bash.

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    Yeh 100mm I have 30-38 on the front

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-milkybar-kid View Post
    Just done it 19" 3K Matt the frame came with the rear shock bolts so all need is the 8x22mm mount kit,it comes in at 23.3lb so not bad.
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    looks good. do you know what the weight of the frame with the shock mounted?

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    cool

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    very very cool

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    Not sure with the shock but without it it was 2070g

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    Found this on eBay, appears to be same model but instead of Toray T700 carbon it is made from T1000 carbon - I asked the supplier and they confirmed it is t1000. Still no 142x12 rear dropout.

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    hey Milkybar, any issues with the finish of your frame? Someone stated that the reason why flyxi was $100 cheaper than others was because they were selling seconds or blemished frames. Can you confirm?

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    How's the suspension on those things?

    Any excessive pedal induced bob? How does it compare to the DW link or Giant Maestro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianwon View Post
    hey Milkybar, any issues with the finish of your frame? Someone stated that the reason why flyxi was $100 cheaper than others was because they were selling seconds or blemished frames. Can you confirm?
    Not true, at least with the hardtails. I ordered a ht earlier this year from flyxii and it was perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    How's the suspension on those things?

    Any excessive pedal induced bob? How does it compare to the DW link or Giant Maestro?
    would also like to know this

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    Hi no its fine very nice
    Last edited by the-milkybar-kid; 08-23-2012 at 08:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-milkybar-kid View Post
    Just done it 19" 3K Matt the frame came with the rear shock bolts so all need is the 8x22mm mount kit,it comes in at 23.3lb so not bad.
    That is a nice looking bike. It reminds me of a Cannondale Scalpel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    How's the suspension on those things?

    Any excessive pedal induced bob? How does it compare to the DW link or Giant Maestro?
    I have a fox pro pedal shock and i dont get any bob.

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    Anyone know what the current backlog is for this frame from flyxi and hong-fu? I emailed them but havent heard anything back.

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    [QUOTE=the-milkybar-kid;9613798]Just done it 19" 3K Matt the frame came with the rear shock bolts so all need is the 8x22mm mount kit,it comes in at 23.3lb so not bad./QUOTE]

    I was wondering, is this the FLYXI, FLX-FR-210 frame? What made you go with this frame, as to the dengfu, or ltbikes etc frame?
    It is the 17.5" frame that you have? I ride medium (18") size 26 inch wheel size frames, and I'm pretty much confused with the different sizing of these 29er frames, as to which one would fit me. Either the 17.5 or the 19 inch frame?
    The bike you built is damn right very sexy!

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    Look at the effective top tube measurement and your question will be answered. Good luck with your decision and post some pics if it all goes ahead.

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    Thanks for that. I'll measure my top tube and go from there.
    I will post pics of my bike I'll build. It will take atleast a month or 2 though. Will order a frame this week sometime.

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    finished by Flyxii build

    11.2kg build. Lighter than my old Giant Anthem 26er build!!
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    Love it!! A few more details please..
    - How much did you pay?
    - What seat post is that?
    - Is that an X0 rear derailleur?

    Again... awesome!!



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    finished by Flyxii build

    11.2kg build. Lighter than my old Giant Anthem 26er build!!

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    Sorry... How about wheels and side throw carbon bottle cage? Flyxii as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Timbo83 View Post
    finished by Flyxii build

    11.2kg build. Lighter than my old Giant Anthem 26er build!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbo83 View Post
    finished by Flyxii build

    11.2kg build. Lighter than my old Giant Anthem 26er build!!
    Are those zip ties are your rear brake hose? It didn't have guides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    Are those zip ties are your rear brake hose? It didn't have guides?
    Yep, I used zips for the brake lines.

    The radius of the swing arm meant that I had a big loop of brake line under the BB. I didn't like it. If the little bit of cable for the rear dérailleur gets caught and ripped its no big deal, I can still ride it. But the brakes cable I was a bit worried about. Works well anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black37 View Post
    Love it!! A few more details please..
    - How much did you pay?
    - What seat post is that?
    - Is that an X0 rear derailleur?

    Again... awesome!!
    Paid about 3800 all up. All parts new, and all labour by me. Parts were all bought online.

    Seat post is a KCNC scandium

    Only have an x0 crank. Everything else is XT except the chain which is XTR

    Wheels are Light Bicycles carbon wheels

    Bottle cage is Bontrager side entry

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    BB hight

    Very. Nice
    What fork and shock length did you use ?
    Can you measure the BB center to the ground?
    Would like to know if it is hight enough to Avoid pedal strikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Foot View Post
    Very. Nice
    What fork and shock length did you use ?
    Can you measure the BB center to the ground?
    Would like to know if it is hight enough to Avoid pedal strikes.
    Fork is 100mm, shock is 165/35mm.

    Not sure on bb height. I'll have to get someone to measure it for me. It will always depend on your sag though

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    Thanks
    With out being on the bike what is the BB center to ground.
    I ride 180mm cranks so I want to make sure I have enough clearance ,to avoid pedal strikes.

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    I'm looking at the Flyxii website at the FLX-FR-210 frame, it quotes "Headset size : 1 1 /2" Head Tube Reduced to 1-1/8" Fork Tube Threadless Headset"
    When ordering the front fork (Fox 32 Float 100 CTD), there are a few options of the steerer tube, "1-18" Threadless & 1.5>1-1/8" (tapered)" Do I order the '1.5>1-1/8" (tapered)' instead of the '1-18" Threadless'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikulas View Post
    Do I order the '1.5>1-1/8" (tapered)'?
    Yes, that's the one you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raceface_lefty View Post
    Yes, that's the one you need.
    Thanks, I just purchased the frame, and looking forward to building it up once it comes in the mail. Anna from Flyxii said it will take up to 10 days to deliver.
    I'll order the forks next week, but pretty disappointing with the fox fork prices here in Australia. I wanted to order from either Jensenusa or cambriabike, but they don't ship Fox forks to Australia. Does anyone know of another option for Fox forks that ship to Australia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikulas View Post
    Thanks, I just purchased the frame, and looking forward to building it up once it comes in the mail. Anna from Flyxii said it will take up to 10 days to deliver.
    I'll order the forks next week, but pretty disappointing with the fox fork prices here in Australia. I wanted to order from either Jensenusa or cambriabike, but they don't ship Fox forks to Australia. Does anyone know of another option for Fox forks that ship to Australia?
    I'm in NZ and when I built my Chinese carbon HT 11 months ago I used CRC UK a lot for my component purchases
    youtube / strava. Back on a bike after 25years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbo83 View Post
    finished by Flyxii build
    11.2kg build. Lighter than my old Giant Anthem 26er build!!
    Cool!
    By the way,Timbo83, what can you say about flyxii fr210-based bike in comparison with Anthem? How does new bike feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ctarter View Post
    Cool!
    By the way,Timbo83, what can you say about flyxii fr210-based bike in comparison with Anthem? How does new bike feel?
    Ok, so from an XC perspective ;

    I had an alloy Anthem, so for starters the power transfer feels much more direct. More so than I thought it would, given that the anthem has a one piece rear. Though you could put some of that down to the carbon rims as well.

    Geometry wise it's only slightly longer on the top tube, but the rear is longer because of the wheels.

    Steering- well it's a 29er, so it's inherently slower steering, but only slightly. It just requires a little more effort in the real tight corners. Turning circle surprisingly is not much different.

    Suspension and handling - the front end is VERY stiff, and with the carbon rims it's pretty much point and shoot. There's very little horizontal deflection in the rear. I need to dial all in the front fork some more though, maybe run a bit more negative spring.

    The rear suspension is less plush on the smaller bumps than the Anthem, because you need a good platform for pedaling. I'm running it in the mid compression setting on the monarch shock. It's a bit of a trade off, but that's what happens with single pivot suspension. Pedaling wise its just as good as an Anthem, but you do need that compression in the shock.

    Haven't really pushed it in some really rough stuff yet, but larger bumps (a few 1 foot jumps) have been soaked up well

    How's that?

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    Timbo, can you shim that can so it ramps up more? Perhaps that might allow for less compression dampening and a bit more small bump compliance? I guess that's the holy grail with this frame in a way. What's the perfect shock and the perfect shim? As this is very similar to the Scott, would it's standard shock be a good default shock? (probably expensive???)

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    about the rear shock. I'm looking at the different sizes.
    I want to get the fox Float CTD, and the sizes they come at are:
    Length / Travel
    5.50 x 1.00
    6.00 x 1.25
    6.50 x 1.50
    7.25 x 1.75
    7.50 x 2.00
    7.875 x 2.00

    Which one do I order? Is it the 6.50x1.50?


    For the front I'm getting 100mm travel

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    Timbo, can you shim that can so it ramps up more? Perhaps that might allow for less compression dampening and a bit more small bump compliance? I guess that's the holy grail with this frame in a way. What's the perfect shock and the perfect shim? As this is very similar to the Scott, would it's standard shock be a good default shock? (probably expensive???)
    Well, yes and no

    If you have a read through a lot of the HONEST reviews on the current Scott Spark 29ers, the thing that stands out the most is the constant criticism of the rear suspension. The fact that its either all locked out or all plush (and even then not that plush).

    Some reviewers have swapped the shock out for one with a platform, like an rp23 etc, and found a huge improvement.

    shimming the shock might make it feel better, could make it worse, i dont know. ive only had it a week so im still only just running it in and tuning it. i dont really want to open the shock up just yet before ive really played with the stock option.

    mikulas - you need a 6.5 x 1.5. just make sure you get the right velocity tune. i dont know how the fox shocks rate their tunes.

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    If 6.50 is 165mm then yes that's the one.

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    Thanks Milkybar & Timbo.
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    Here is the start of my China project.
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    Shiney :-D

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikulas View Post
    I'm looking at the Flyxii website at the FLX-FR-210 frame, it quotes "Headset size : 1 1 /2" Head Tube Reduced to 1-1/8" Fork Tube Threadless Headset"
    When ordering the front fork (Fox 32 Float 100 CTD), there are a few options of the steerer tube, "1-18" Threadless & 1.5>1-1/8" (tapered)" Do I order the '1.5>1-1/8" (tapered)' instead of the '1-18" Threadless'?
    Yes get the tapered 1.5>1/18

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    I want to get one of these build for my wife... just not sure on handle bar / stem stuff... shes 5'1 can someone help with stem / bar / headset to get?

    Also will a front fox tapered float F29 that has Steerer cut to:180mm (7.08 inches) work ok with this frame?

    thanks!
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    Joe

    This is never a popular opinion around here, but at 5"1' I'd say your wife would be better suited to a 26" frame. HongFu have just released a new carbon 26" dual sus frame. The stem you need may be shorter than the ones they have, but the headset and bars could be bought from them. My wife is 5" exactly. A 29er just isn't happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    Joe

    This is never a popular opinion around here, but at 5"1' I'd say your wife would be better suited to a 26" frame. HongFu have just released a new carbon 26" dual sus frame. The stem you need may be shorter than the ones they have, but the headset and bars could be bought from them. My wife is 5" exactly. A 29er just isn't happening.

    She currently has a 26", A friend of mine (male) is actually smaller 5-0 and owns a
    small 2012 stumpy fsr 29er with great sucesss, wife rode it and likes the 2012 specialized stumpjumper fsr small...


    maybe this frame is not a good thing then for small riders..

    I was debating this frame just because my stumpy is all upgraded and i want to utilize all my stock 2012 components. I just need a frame basically and i cannot locate small 2012 stumpjumper fsr 29er frames for sale..... and the rare one i found dealer wont sell out of state due to specialized policies.

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    No problem Joe. If she's happy, that's what matters. I can't see this frame being any different. I just wonder how such a rise from saddle to bar could be tollerable, but it's not my business in the end.

    Best of luck with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    No problem Joe. If she's happy, that's what matters. I can't see this frame being any different. I just wonder how such a rise from saddle to bar could be tollerable, but it's not my business in the end.

    Best of luck with it.

    would you happen to know what is the standover height on the small 15.5 frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe_blow View Post
    would you happen to know what is the standover height on the small 15.5 frame?
    I hope it will be useful
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    What Chris King or Cane Creek headset can I fit to this tapered head tube? Anyone gone with anything other than the headset that can be ordered with the frame?

    I have found the headset bearings that come with the frame just fit in, do they need to be pressed at all?

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    My ones were were tight but fit and work perfectly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    My ones were were tight but fit and work perfectly?
    Tight as in force them in? I have fitted but the top bearing doesn't seem to click in, it just fits without really seating properly.

    It works ok but I have had to tighten the top cap very tight to avoid any play on the fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raceface_lefty View Post
    It works ok but I have had to tighten the top cap very tight to avoid any play on the fork.
    Are you saying that the headset just fell in to the head tube?? That is definitely not acceptable...

    I'm looking to buy one of these frames, but no way will I pull the trigger if that's the case.

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    No t he headset is already sealed into the carbon frame it's just the bearings that are push fit.
    You do have to tighten them down, as with any sealed bearing headset

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    Quote Originally Posted by recitio View Post
    Are you saying that the headset just fell in to the head tube?? That is definitely not acceptable...

    I'm looking to buy one of these frames, but no way will I pull the trigger if that's the case.
    The headset is fine, the bottom bearing sits really tight in the headset. The top bearing appears not press in as tightly.

    Maybe I need a bearing press to get the top bearing to go into the headset. Once I tighten the top allen key and stem there is no movement on the fork, it is tight and the bearing appears to be seated properly.

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    So let me get this right, a company like Scott spends a bunch of money on R&D to develop a frame, and then has it manufactured in China to save costs and to hit a price point. Then the Chinese manufacturer steals the design and hands it over to another Chinese company that then produces and sells the frame at an even lower price because they didn't have to spend anything on R&D. This doesn't seem like it going to end well for the non-Chinese companies and will likely end up killing innovation in the long run.
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    That's quite clearly NOT what happened here.

    The Hong Fu 29er takes many design and styling cues from the Scott Spark, but is not an exact replica, and certainly not made with any trade secrets or molds stolen from Scott. Furthermore, the Scott Spark is likely made in Taiwan, not China. Chinese carbon fiber isn't trusted by many (any?) brand names just yet. Taiwanese Carbon fiber (like anything bicycling and Taiwanese) is 100% accepted in the mainstream.




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    Recito, thanks for the clarification. Was curious because I have friends who have had products in other markets ripped by Chinese companies before they were even able to get them to market, including forged holographic seals.
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    ok, so update on the bike.

    Ive got the suspension pretty dialled in now, and its become pretty plush actually, but still super quick and efficient on the climbs.

    im 73kg, front is set at 128psi and rear at 195psi which gives about 28% sag both ends. Ive found that running the monarch on the lowest compression level gives the best levels of grip and plushness, with only a hint of bob, even when stomping on the pedals. The second level of compression makes climbing only slightly better, but the plushness is certainly effected. I guess it will depend on your preferences and weight.

    im really loving this bike now. its a beast of an xc machine. the only time i notice the extra length and bigger tyres in a negative way is in really tight corners. other than that, is rails the corners, and totally smashes the climbs. it feels like im putting less effort in at pretty much all situations. carbon wheels probably help out too!

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    I was about to purchase the one from Jenny, and at the end she included a $65 Paypal processing fee. Was that the deal with those of you that already bought a frame, or something new? I didn't see it mentioned before. If so, does the other company (I think it was Flyxii) do the same thing?

    Also, did I read on an earlier thread that the Flyxii company's frame works with a threaded bottom bracket?

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    II bought through flyxii at no aditional fees and mine has a normal threaded BB

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    Good. I think I'll be purchasing from Flyxii, then. So here is the breakdown, apparently:

    Hong Fu: $700 frame, $15 headset, $88 shipping, and $65 Paypal processing fee = $868
    Flyxii: $700 for frame, headset, and shipping, with no processing fee

    I know that the above is correct with regard to Hong Fu, so unless I missed something with Flyxii, sounds like a no-brainer.

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    That's what I paid. $700 all in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianlancast View Post
    Good. I think I'll be purchasing from Flyxii, then. So here is the breakdown, apparently:

    Hong Fu: $700 frame, $15 headset, $88 shipping, and $65 Paypal processing fee = $868
    Flyxii: $700 for frame, headset, and shipping, with no processing fee

    I know that the above is correct with regard to Hong Fu, so unless I missed something with Flyxii, sounds like a no-brainer.
    Disappointing as it is I'm starting to feel that Jenny at Hong-Fu is taking the piss a little on price and service. What are Flyxii delivery times like from payment date?

    Edit: fixed grammar
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    Good evening friends, bought a frame this 17.5, however I am a little lost with respect to the rear shox, could someone tell me the exact model, I will use the reba sl 100mm fork.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by raceface_lefty View Post
    Disappointing as it is I'm starting to feel that Jenny at Hong-Fu is taking the piss a little on price and service. What are Flyxii delivery times like from payment date?

    Edit: fixed grammar
    Mine was a little slow as I ordered the matte finish. Full 6 weeks to manufacture, 2 weeks for delivery to Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supericepower View Post
    Good evening friends, bought a frame this 17.5, however I am a little lost with respect to the rear shox, could someone tell me the exact model, I will use the reba sl 100mm fork.
    Thanks
    You need a 165x38mm shock. There is internal cabling for a remote lever, The new Fox CTD with remote fits if you remove the rebound button.

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    You need a 165x38mm shock. There is internal cabling for a remote lever, The new Fox CTD with remote fits if you remove the rebound button.
    Thanks for reply dear friend

    One more doubt, and front derailleur ? What type is this ?

    THANKS !


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    Quote Originally Posted by supericepower View Post
    Thanks for reply dear friend

    One more doubt, and front derailleur ? What type is this ?

    THANKS !

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    So I will be joining you guys soon.

    Ordered mine in the 19" size from baixiangbike.com for $829 + $55 DHL Express shipping to Greece. Should be getting it any day now.

    As I'm seeing in this thread, I paid a bit more than you, but I have absolutely no regrets as the service is awesome so far, and their english is pretty good.

    I also ordered a wheelset, handlebar, seat, and a bottle holder from them, all carbon.

    I'm getting back to biking after about a 10 year break (not sure how that happened), and I'm going to have some fun while doing so. So, great to read you like the frame!

    So the last month and a half I'm catching up with all the new MTB tech and configuring my setup. The wheelset they built for me had Novatec hubs, I guess that's fine, but then I realized I want it with DT Swiss 240's hubs (to be able to run the XD XX1 cassette, plus having more fork options as the swiss is configurable), so I ordered these at CRC and had them shipped to China by DHL (no UK VAT on that, so cheaper than if I bought them directly, but still have to see if there's any import duty on that in China).

    The frame type is stated as "FRX-F09", and they told me that they manufacture it. I asked why can I see it all over Alibaba.com sold by different companies (who all claim to be manufacturing it), and they said it's an all new and popular design, so more companies are making it. Make of that what you will, but I ain't gonna pay $11k for a big brand carbon bike when I can make a better one for $4k.

    So I'm going to fit mine with MT8, Fox CTD, and XX1 (out this month). Also the carbon seatpost from crank bro's.

    Still can't decide on Gripshift vs. Trigger though. I've always ridden Gripshift so I know exactly its pros and cons. Bottom line, it does compromise your handlebar grip, at least when you move your hand from the full-grip position to the shifting position. Truth is that I've never tried the new grips. But truth is that the trigger technology is probably also better than 10 years ago. Also, I want to be able to brake while downshifting, which is not really possible with Gripshift if you downshift over many gears, at least as far as I remember. The ride style I had was to downshift first and then start braking, if the situation allowed that. But I guess a good strategy here would be to try a trigger, and switch to gripshift later if the trigger is not good. However I'm not sure what the separate parts availability will be for a totally new groupset like the XX1, but I guess they have to offer it in parts as time goes on.

    Also I'm unsure about the CTD combined remote lockout, as it's huge, but not having the second shifter, I could fit it on the bottom of the bar instead. This is a tougher choice, as (AFAIK) you can't convert a non-remote CTD fork/shock to remote-ones easily. But again, I'm not sure why not, I just read it somewhere.

    So yeah, great info in this thread so far and I will post my build pics etc. when I get to it.

    I'm attaching a 19" geometry and the settings for Linkage - a suspension calculator program I bought yesterday to figure out the leverage ratio curve for this suspension type - I haven't used it yet though.

    Oh yeah, another thing I haven't decided yet is the travel of the front fork. I've read this thread and I see you guys run it with 80 to 120. The terrain around here is pretty rocky I assume, brutal climbs, but I also like fast road riding, and I don't plan to trash this bike with DH or jumping, so I really don't know. That 80mm setup I've seen here got me thinking I think 100mm would be a good choice. Or maybe 120.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raceface_lefty View Post
    You need a 165x38mm shock. There is internal cabling for a remote lever, The new Fox CTD with remote fits if you remove the rebound button.
    Is it OK to keep the rebound button on a version without remote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    I'm attaching a 19" geometry and the settings for Linkage - a suspension calculator program I bought yesterday to figure out the leverage ratio curve for this suspension type - I haven't used it yet though.
    Be aware that this geometry data is for the 21" version! (533mm seat tube == 21")

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one View Post
    Be aware that this geometry data is for the 21" version! (533mm seat tube == 21")
    Whoa. Thanks for spotting that. I requested the diagram for 19". I will post it when I get it.

    Anyone here's already got the 19" drawing by any chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    Whoa. Thanks for spotting that. I requested the diagram for 19". I will post it when I get it.

    Anyone here's already got the 19" drawing by any chance?
    Check the flyxii page

    http://flyxii.com/products_1.asp?menuid=336&id=601

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    i'd like to use my 2005 prophetas a part donor. it has a deore lx e type derailer. would get the bb30 frame. so the truvativ stylo will fit right? not sure if the project 321 lefty adapter fits. is it possible to leftify this frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raceface_lefty View Post
    Disappointing as it is I'm starting to feel that Jenny at Hong-Fu is taking the piss a little on price and service. What are Flyxii delivery times like from payment date?

    Edit: fixed grammar
    Mine took a little over 1 week to deliver from FLYXXI, and their customer service was great, they answered all of my questions via email and Skype.
    Also want to note, if any one is interested. I pulled apart all the bearings, just to see the quality etc. The bearings are all Japanese made sealed bearings.
    Also the frame came with 2 extra rear derailluer hangars as spare. All for $700 delivered

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidd View Post
    i'd like to use my 2005 prophetas a part donor. it has a deore lx e type derailer. would get the bb30 frame. so the truvativ stylo will fit right? not sure if the project 321 lefty adapter fits. is it possible to leftify this frame?
    Is the prophet bb30 equipped ? The whole crank setup is different between threaded and bb30, nothing is interchangeable

    Check with your local project 321 dealer for the parts for conversion. It's a standard 1 1/5 to 1 1/12 head tube, just check the geometry in the flyxii link above to see if it suits.

    Also, can't remember what the prophet was for travel. You wouldn't want to go over 120mm for these I reckon

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    Here's the detailed 19" geometry pic. (Though thanks for the smaller one, Timbo83. )

    My frame is 3rd day in Athens (in "Clearance delay" state), which is one stop before the DHL destination service area.

    Wondering how they do it if an import tax needs to be paid — do they contact you by phone — or how do they request it from you?

    The value on the package is $100, so I'm wondering if that even qualifies for an import duty. Anyway, it was a weekend, so maybe that's why the delay.

    EDIT: wah, just as I was writing to DHL via their "contact express" form (because when I closely looked at the tacking status, it said "wait to be contacted or contact us"), the frame moved further in the chain. Will see how it develops next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beij View Post
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    Would love to know who actually makes these frames, even if their name consisted from chinese signs only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    Would love to know who actually makes these frames, even if their name consisted from chinese signs only.
    One only answer : MIRACLE

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    Quote Originally Posted by tskubi View Post
    One only answer : MIRACLE
    then that would be: 奇蹟

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    Dam 21 pages. I tried reading all the posts but around page 13 I got lost. So if I order one from FLYXI will it come with shock hardware? I need a 6.50 I to I shock? What about the lifespan of the bushings in the pivots at the dropouts? I have a really nice build kit on my hardtail that I would use. And I am thinking about maybe going with a lefty if I can figure out a way to afford it.

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    i emailed project 321. they sent me an email stating. due to the technical nature of the question my request has been turned over to the tech department. and i should hear something ina few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    Whoa. Thanks for spotting that. I requested the diagram for 19". I will post it when I get it.

    Anyone here's already got the 19" drawing by any chance?
    I think we've all seen the geo, no need to post it.

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    Hello, all.
    Is it possible to attach Cannodale's Lefty to any of these frames?
    Thanks in advance!

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    i anticipated using spacers to increase the stack height. any idea if thats 321?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wireless0 View Post
    Hello, all.
    Is it possible to attach Cannodale's Lefty to any of these frames?
    Thanks in advance!
    I found this photo
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    Bike complete. Went for a test ride, and rides awesome! Really happy with the complete bike and setup.
    Weighing at around 10kgs
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikulas View Post
    Bike complete. Went for a test ride, and rides awesome! Really happy with the complete bike and setup.
    Weighing at around 10kgs
    looks great, congrats! my frame will arrive tomorrow, the dhl express clearance took a whole f*cking week.

    is that CTD front and rear? you don't miss the remotes? is it easy to dial in-flight? (probably too early to ask about that though)

    what factory capacity / stiffness of the rear shock have you opted for? mid or hard?

    i still haven't gotten around to compute the leverage ratio for this frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikulas View Post
    Bike complete. Went for a test ride, and rides awesome! Really happy with the complete bike and setup.
    Weighing at around 10kgs
    also, great design work balancing the white fork with the white grips — did not occur to me as a good combo!

    (i'll be most prob getting a black fork, but still, good idea)

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    Chainstay length seems a bit on the longer side (452mm = ~17.8in) compared to a lot of 17.5" chainstay length on a lot of FS, race oriented 29ers out there.

    How it is the pick up and go on these bikes and can anyone compare that to some of the other 29er bikes they may have tired out as well with maybe a shorter chainstays?

    The bikes look good!!

    thanks

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    Both front and rear shox are the 2013 fox ctd. The rear shock has 'climb tune F' and 'compression tune F' so my guess is its firm or hard
    I used the 'fox ird app' on my iphone to setup both shox, and it helped heaps.

    The pickup and go on this bike actually suprised me heaps, especially when you lockout the rear shock. It's almost as responsive on the pickup as my 26er hard tail, and while on the go, it rides better than my 26er hardtail.

    The whole bike handles really smooth over rocks and roots. I went off a few drop offs and jumps with speed, and the setup felt comfy, especially after setting up and fine tuning the shox with the 'fox app'

    I'll list all the parts I installed, later today.
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    Here is the parts list.
    Handle bars: Easton ec90 low riser
    Shifters: shimano xt
    Brakes: Hayes prime pro
    Stem: crank brothers cobalt 3
    Seat post: crank brothers cobalt 11
    Seat clamp: Thompson
    Seat: selle italia slr
    Wheels: crank brothers cobalt 3
    Tyres: schwalbe racing Ralph
    Front fork: fox float 29 32 ctd with trail adjust
    Rear shock: fox float ctd with kashima coat
    Cranks: shimano xtr
    Front derailluer: xtr
    Rear derailluer: xtr
    Cassette: xtr
    Chain: xtr
    Pedals: xtr
    Grips: esi silicone

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    weight?

    Hi im bulid mine a few month ago and i love it. I wonder if you tested how heavy it is? My ended up at 11kg without pedals.

    // Fred.

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    Can someone tell me if the below will be a good build for $2500?
    Thanks in advance.

    FM036
    IP-B03 handlebar
    F1irst suspension fork
    IP-SP4 seatpost
    IP-SD2 saddle
    FSA NO:42/ACB headset
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    Shimano XT cassette
    Tektro ORION brake
    carbon Spacers and top cap
    CCC alloy 29er wheels

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    woo hoo, I finally have received the frame. Looks and feels great.

    What I find interesting is the chain-stays/seat-tube asymmetry, see the first photo.

    What I don't know is what are the 2 holes on the rear triangle for, see the 2 next photos — anybody could help me on that?

    The headset that came with it calls itself "Neco", see the last picture. Wondering if it would make sense to replace it with e.g. this one: Ritchey WCS Drop In Int. Carbon Taper Headset 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com — not because of weight though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    woo hoo, I finally have received the frame. Looks and feels great.

    What I find interesting is the chain-stays/seat-tube asymmetry, see the first photo.

    What I don't know is what are the 2 holes on the rear triangle for, see the 2 next photos — anybody could help me on that?

    The headset that came with it calls itself "Neco", see the last picture. Wondering if it would make sense to replace it with e.g. this one: Ritchey WCS Drop In Int. Carbon Taper Headset 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com — not because of weight though.
    The 2 holes are for the front derailluer cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tskubi View Post
    One only answer : MIRACLE
    ah, I thought you were joking!

    http://miracletrade.en.alibaba.com/p...MTB_frame.html

    Although these may be just resellers as well. So it'd be more like a "Mystery" than "Miracle".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikulas View Post
    The 2 holes are for the front derailluer cable.
    thanks, so those don't concern me, since I'm going with XX1.

    but I should probably seal them with something any hints what to use for that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredmtb View Post
    Hi im bulid mine a few month ago and i love it. I wonder if you tested how heavy it is? My ended up at 11kg without pedals.

    // Fred.
    Yeah, its around 10.1kg

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    I've got the new Fox CTD shock installed. I'm finding a bit of pedal bob when both front and rear are locked out and I'm gunning it at a high cadence on tar or hardpack. Only on full lock (Climb mode) at the rear, if I go to Trail mode the feel of bob is eliminated but obviously that is the shock doing it's job.

    My question is, what can I change to eliminate bob on full lock out, a hardtail should not bob?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikulas View Post
    The 2 holes are for the front derailleur cable.
    Why 2 holes for the FD, I use the one on the drive side, what is the other for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raceface_lefty View Post
    Why 2 holes for the FD, I use the one on the drive side, what is the other for?
    At different times I used an xtr derailleur for triple and a s3 sram for double. In one case I used a hole, in the other case the other hole. The two holes depend on the type of derailleur used

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    Quote Originally Posted by raceface_lefty View Post
    I've got the new Fox CTD shock installed. I'm finding a bit of pedal bob when both front and rear are locked out and I'm gunning it at a high cadence on tar or hardpack. Only on full lock (Climb mode) at the rear, if I go to Trail mode the feel of bob is eliminated but obviously that is the shock doing it's job.

    My question is, what can I change to eliminate bob on full lock out, a hardtail should not bob?
    Pretty unusual that you're experiencing bob when it's in the fully locked position. I run my rockshox monarch on the lightest pedal platform at about 28% sag and get only the tiniest bit of bob, I can hardly notice it.

    Maybe there's a problem with the shock. If there's only a small amount of bob in trail mode, lockout should not experience any

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    bikebuilder

    have anyone seen the "FRM be active 29" mtb?

    look at FRM:s home page .
    it must be a fm036 frame.

    It´s awsome that they manage to build it to 9.35kg
    but ca 8000$ is much money

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    Funny is , when i came to whoseller in my time to choose a carbon bike he told me that since all manufactury was removed to china all carbon frames went up with quality by 100%...Which is so sad... Not to mention the decrease the price...

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    Has anyone bought one of these frames in the UK?

    Am thinking of getting one for my wifey in s/m if anyone has one I'd love to give it a ride.
    Well she would, doubt it would fit my gigantinormous size.
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    You can look at other photos in "my gallery"
    Anyway, I'll describe components:
    frame 21" (with seatpost, saddle, stem, handlebar, shock, bottle cage) from flyxii
    fork RS SID RLT 2013
    wheels on pacenti CL25 rims with DT Swiss 240 hubs (QR) and aerolit spokes (F716g, R817g)
    brakes shimano xtr 985 (F180, R160)
    crank FSA k-force light 386 BB30 27/39 10speed
    cassete shimano XT CS-M771-10 11-36
    rear der. shim RD-M980 GS
    front der. shim. FD-M785-E 2/10
    chain shim. CN-M980GS
    shifters shim. SL-M780 2/3 10
    pedals Token TK462M

    tyre: for dry conditions Schwalbe Furious Fred Evo PaceStar Faltreifen 29x2.0 (installed tubeless)
    for wet Maxxis Beaver 29x2.0 aramid tpi60


    Total Weight: 10 370g ("dry" version)

    Criticism is appreciated
    Last edited by Ctarter; 10-27-2012 at 09:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ctarter View Post

    You can look at other photos in "my gallery"
    Anyway, I'll describe components:
    frame 21" (with seatpost, saddle, stem, handlebar, shock, bottle cage) from flyxii
    fork RS SID RLT 2013
    wheels on pacenti CL25 rims with DT Swiss 240 hubs (QR) and aerolit spokes (F716g, R817g)
    brakes shimano xtr 985 (F180, R160)
    crank FSA k-force light 386 BB30 27/39 10speed
    cassete shimano XT CS-M771-10 11-36
    rear der. shim RD-M980 GS
    front der. shim. FD-M785-E 2/10
    chain shim. CN-M980GS
    shifters shim. SL-M780 2/3 10
    pedals Token TK462M

    tyre: for dry conditions Schwalbe Furious Fred Evo PaceStar Faltreifen 29x2.0 (installed tubeless)
    for wet Maxxis Beaver 29x2.0 aramid tpi60


    Total Weight: 10 370g ("dry" version)

    Criticism is appreciated
    Very nice built! Which damper did you choose? And shouldn't it be mounted the other way round? Looking forward for your first ride reports ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ctarter View Post

    You can look at other photos in "my gallery"
    Anyway, I'll describe components:
    frame 21" (with seatpost, saddle, stem, handlebar, shock, bottle cage) from flyxii
    fork RS SID RLT 2013
    wheels on pacenti CL25 rims with DT Swiss 240 hubs (QR) and aerolit spokes (F716g, R817g)
    brakes shimano xtr 985 (F180, R160)
    crank FSA k-force light 386 BB30 27/39 10speed
    cassete shimano XT CS-M771-10 11-36
    rear der. shim RD-M980 GS
    front der. shim. FD-M785-E 2/10
    chain shim. CN-M980GS
    shifters shim. SL-M780 2/3 10
    pedals Token TK462M

    tyre: for dry conditions Schwalbe Furious Fred Evo PaceStar Faltreifen 29x2.0 (installed tubeless)
    for wet Maxxis Beaver 29x2.0 aramid tpi60


    Total Weight: 10 370g ("dry" version)

    Criticism is appreciated
    Really nice build.

    Additionally to the rear shock question asked by towag, what's the length of your seatpost? I'm contemplating that 350mm should plenty enough there, actually I already have it ordered. (I'm going with the 19" frame.)

    What's your stem / seatpost / handlebar?

    Looks like you went with the chinese carbon seat - I already have a similar one at home, but haven't tried it out yet (no bike lol) - I'm worried it won't be too comfortable - did you do any longer rides on it?

    I'm also going with DT Swiss 240s (Center Lock), 15 front and 10 rear, but I'm getting carbon rims from China.

    What tubeless kit have you used? Any homemade additions to the mixture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintJV View Post
    Funny is , when i came to whoseller in my time to choose a carbon bike he told me that since all manufactury was removed to china all carbon frames went up with quality by 100%...Which is so sad... Not to mention the decrease the price...
    You know, I really did not know what you were talking about, but then I found this blog: Busted Carbon

    None of that is chinese carbon! But I think the real issue why carbon is so expensive here on west (europe and US), is that it requires the user to not be a total noob, and e.g. use a torque wrench and generally be more careful with the bike than with a steel or aluminum frame, otherwise breakages result, and obviously manufacturers don't like it — even if you decline warranty on lawful terms, you get a dissatisfied customer. I think that's the reason why carbon is destined to high-end bikes and savvy build-it-myself users.

    Now carbon-kevlar mixture might be the next big thing - it's lighter and stiffer than carbon, and (I assume) much harder to destroy, although definitely not noob-proof.

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    Thank you, towag
    Quote Originally Posted by towag View Post
    ...Which damper did you choose? And shouldn't it be mounted the other way round?
    Kindshock 582RL, it comes with frame ( I asked flyxii any shock to escape problem with fastener). Heavy, no rebound, but two air cameras. I'm going to replace it with RS Monarch RT3.
    Does not matter how to mount it, there is no remote; current position is convinient for me to reach adjustment lever from saddle, less mud comes from rear wheel.
    Last edited by Ctarter; 10-28-2012 at 01:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    ...what's the length of your seatpost?
    What's your stem / seatpost / handlebar?

    Looks like you went with the chinese carbon seat - I already have a similar one at home, but haven't tried it out yet (no bike lol) - I'm worried it won't be too comfortable - did you do any longer rides on it?

    I'm also going with DT Swiss 240s (Center Lock), 15 front and 10 rear, but I'm getting carbon rims from China.

    What tubeless kit have you used? Any homemade additions to the mixture?
    Thanks!
    all sticks from flyxii: seatpost 350 (sp-006), just enough for me
    stem 90 (st-004), two handlebars: flat 600mm (hb-021) and riser 660mm, saddle (sd-003). Saddle is comfartable (proved by 48m trip), shape the same as mine old "san marco" on other bike.
    "No tubes" yellow tape, nippels and sealant.

    I have looked at chinese carbon rims, but decided pacenti would be lighter. If you'll test carbon rims and will give positive feedback then my seond wheelset could be carbon.
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    About to send off bushing measurements to Fox for shock order. I measured 21.7 mm front and 22.5 mm rear. Is that sounding about right? Ordered from Flyxii, and found it interesting that rear bolt doesn't completely clear as it should. Should work fine anyway, but not a perfect fit.

    Also, anyone else have the rear derailleur provided not fit as it should on the frame? Not that big of a deal. A grinder should be able to remedy the problem, as it isn't that much off, but just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianlancast View Post
    About to send off bushing measurements to Fox for shock order. I measured 21.7 mm front and 22.5 mm rear. Is that sounding about right? Ordered from Flyxii, and found it interesting that rear bolt doesn't completely clear as it should. Should work fine anyway, but not a perfect fit.

    Also, anyone else have the rear derailleur provided not fit as it should on the frame? Not that big of a deal. A grinder should be able to remedy the problem, as it isn't that much off, but just curious.
    I don't have a vernier caliper yet but measuring it with tape shows approx. 23mm for both, and the geometry pic states 22.4mm, so in any case I'm getting the 22,20mm 8mm bushings for my CTD shock.

    I've got the frame from Baixiang bike, they call it FRX-F09, so it may be slightly different from yours, not sure.

    Also no need to write to Fox, you can buy these in shops, e.g. Bike24 - Fox Racing Shox Hardware Kit (Bushings) 8mm.

    Edit: also, my frame came with the shock bolts already, and they also don't fit exactly (the "female" parts are a few mms shorter).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveGiant View Post
    Has anyone bought one of these frames in the UK?

    Am thinking of getting one for my wifey in s/m if anyone has one I'd love to give it a ride.
    Well she would, doubt it would fit my gigantinormous size.
    Yes matey, here's my build. been a few upgrades since the last update but been busy.
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    riding review anyone ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by em2 View Post
    riding review anyone ?
    Done some xc races on the bike now, and about 900km over the last 3 months on it.

    Would suit taller riders better I think (say 5"10 up).

    Climbs fantastic, very stiff and only a tiny bit of bob, even when fully open on the shock.

    Frame is stiff and direct for downhill, steering is precise (especially with carbon wheels). When set up right it's very quick through the twisting stiff, and awesome over loose rocks and rough sections.

    Only time there is a compromise is in slower, extremely tight corners (like around a single tree), when the longer wheelbase can be felt.

    Hope that helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbo83 View Post
    Done some xc races on the bike now, and about 900km over the last 3 months on it.

    Would suit taller riders better I think (say 5"10 up).

    Climbs fantastic, very stiff and only a tiny bit of bob, even when fully open on the shock.

    Frame is stiff and direct for downhill, steering is precise (especially with carbon wheels). When set up right it's very quick through the twisting stiff, and awesome over loose rocks and rough sections.

    Only time there is a compromise is in slower, extremely tight corners (like around a single tree), when the longer wheelbase can be felt.

    Hope that helps
    I would agree with this.
    Only additional i would say is, i feel like you sit on it rather than in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbo83 View Post
    Done some xc races on the bike now, and about 900km over the last 3 months on it.

    Would suit taller riders better I think (say 5"10 up).

    Climbs fantastic, very stiff and only a tiny bit of bob, even when fully open on the shock.

    Frame is stiff and direct for downhill, steering is precise (especially with carbon wheels). When set up right it's very quick through the twisting stiff, and awesome over loose rocks and rough sections.

    Only time there is a compromise is in slower, extremely tight corners (like around a single tree), when the longer wheelbase can be felt.

    Hope that helps
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    I would agree with this.
    Only additional i would say is, i feel like you sit on it rather than in it.
    Hmm, I've always felt the opposite , coming from the old 26er Anthem I had. You have a medium frame right? Could be a sizing issue if you don't feel "in" the bike

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    Could be, i think my 17.5" might be a little small?

    Anyway, just found this Scott Nude shock at a really good price
    NEW SCOTT NUDE TC / DT SWISS REAR SHOCK ( TWINLOC REMOTE , 165MM x 37MM ) | eBay

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    Found this ID on the inside of the frame. Still no clue who really makes it. Does that ID tell any of you anything?
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    Flyxii

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    Flyxii
    An “open mold frame” is a mold which the factory owns. They can sell that frame to anyone they choose. The brands who buy these open mold frames don’t own or control the design, engineering, or material selection for the products they’re marketing.
    From: Are All Carbon Bikes Created Equal? | Cycling Tips

    I think this is one such frame. The factory probably slaps an ID on it depending on who they make it for.

    Nice pictorial from one such factory:
    Gallery: Swift Carbon: Inside A High-end Chinese Bike Factory - BikeRadar

    On a separate note, my build is coming on great. Should be done in a week or two, provided XX1 is not delayed further. I had some problems with the rear suspension pivots, but these were resolved with some filing and extra washers. Btw the pivots are otherwise really good quality, contain japanese sealed bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ctarter View Post
    You can look at other photos in "my gallery"
    Anyway, I'll describe components:
    frame 21" (with seatpost, saddle, stem, handlebar, shock, bottle cage) from flyxii
    fork RS SID RLT 2013
    wheels on pacenti CL25 rims with DT Swiss 240 hubs (QR) and aerolit spokes (F716g, R817g)
    brakes shimano xtr 985 (F180, R160)
    crank FSA k-force light 386 BB30 27/39 10speed
    cassete shimano XT CS-M771-10 11-36
    rear der. shim RD-M980 GS
    front der. shim. FD-M785-E 2/10
    chain shim. CN-M980GS
    shifters shim. SL-M780 2/3 10
    pedals Token TK462M

    tyre: for dry conditions Schwalbe Furious Fred Evo PaceStar Faltreifen 29x2.0 (installed tubeless)
    for wet Maxxis Beaver 29x2.0 aramid tpi60


    Total Weight: 10 370g ("dry" version)

    Criticism is appreciated
    Love the build.

    I was wondering how it handled under power? Does the rear suspension stay firm when peddling or under load but absorb impacts as it should?

    How about money invested? Did you save any money putting it together yourself over buying an equally well equipped assembled bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hidperf View Post
    I was wondering how it handled under power? Does the rear suspension stay firm when peddling or under load but absorb impacts as it should?
    I don't even expected such a nice suspension work from a single pivot system. My weight ( 95kg) and negative chamber of shock allow to provide plush at small roughness, but air pressure in positive chamber and low bike weight gives reliable suspension play at large irregularity (stones, drops). Can't fill torsion impact. Big wheels with full suspension provide smooth downstairs ride

    Quote Originally Posted by hidperf View Post
    How about money invested? Did you save any money putting it together yourself over buying an equally well equipped assembled bike?
    I hope it cheaper, can't compare because don't know direct competitors with such a light 29 wheels (wieght of wheels is very noticable with 29" size, in my case wheels cost a bit more expensive than frame). Firstly, it a fun to build own bike.
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    Tried lowering the air pressure some more on mine on the weekend. It's getting really dry, dusty and loose here in Aus and I've been a bit nervous on the Flyxii, it gets a bit skittish in loose marble stuff.

    Anyway lowered the front to 25psi and rear to 28, totally transformed the bike. Way more grip now, less snappy sliding that's hard to predict

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    This frame looks great, but the time and more reviews will confirm us if it is a good option to mount a cheap bike.

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    One more with pivoted monoshock.... Why not goes to horst link?



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    very interesting, i may get one of those frames later, i see they fixed the only thing that bothers me on the 2012 version, which is the rear suspension part that connects shock with the swing arm.

    also the chinese logic is weird - full carbon bike, dt swiss suspension for maximum weight savings - and behold - steel rims? plus the paint / logos is fugly as always gimme my matte carbon.

    me - i'm getting there, waiting for the xx1 crank + chain + shifter. january is it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    also the chinese logic is weird - full carbon bike, dt swiss suspension for maximum weight savings - and behold - steel rims? plus the paint / logos is fugly as always gimme my matte carbon.
    It's a translation error, not steel they are DT Swiss X 470 29er Rims DT Swiss - X 470 29.

    Full specs here Full carbon fiber 29er suspension mountain bike with Deore XT 30-S groupset,View 29er carbon mountain bike,Laplace Product Details from Shenzhen GUB Bike Trading Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com

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    youtube / strava. Back on a bike after 25years

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    OK, so aluminum, but why not one of those cheap (and lighter/stronger) chinese carbon rims? They probably got a good deal with DT swiss though (excluding hubs it seems).

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    but yeah, i'd be getting that one had it been on the market when i was looking for a carbon XC bike.. 4kg heavier aluminum 29er XC bikes start at +1k eur in eu shops..

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    Smile w/Lefty

    here is one my friend just finished....I want one now...even though I have not heard from him about how it rides....maybe he can take her out today or tomorrow (GA area has been raining...)
    Since I don't really have the $$$ I'm thinking about taking everything except the shock off my Anthem and trying this carbon thing out
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    interested to hear any ride reports, the angles seems good, trying to compared the wheelbase and seatstay length against similar frames but it all seems ok. Some real life feedback would be good, I already have a carbonal so i'm satisfied on quality of chinese frames

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    Quote Originally Posted by cale399 View Post
    here is one my friend just finished....I want one now...even though I have not heard from him about how it rides....maybe he can take her out today or tomorrow (GA area has been raining...)
    Since I don't really have the $$$ I'm thinking about taking everything except the shock off my Anthem and trying this carbon thing out
    with lefty _and_ xx1 i'm guessing sub 9kg (19.8lbs)?

    could you make a frontal(-or-so) pic of the handlebar to show how the xx1 gripshift + the empty left side looks like?

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    Sub 9kilos.... With frame with more 2kg is a big challenge....

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    anyone from Singapore tried this frame?

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    so while waiting for the xx1, i said f-it, and temporarily slapped an x5 crank and x9 rear derail + trigger on the bike for a 1x9 setup, and took it for a spin.

    we have more than 300 sunny days a year here, this wasn't one of them. still, my last regular riding on an mtb bike was 10 years ago and it wasn't a carbon one, so this was hell of a fun.

    the weight pic is with lights, tubes, bottle holder, garmin hodler+sensor - i will switch to tubeless once i settle with the tyre type - currently on furious freds as i'm mostly on roads, later will most prob put on racing ralphs. the 780mm 15mm riser bar feels just right for me - the bike handles extremely precise and feels very nimble, the classic 29er concerns were not confirmed.

    i have fox talas on the front, can choose between 120mm and 100mm drive, haven't tried the 100mm yet, been riding it on middle trail CTD setting front and rear and did not feel a single bump on the road, and no bob on climbing. i think the fox and even the talas (vs float) is worth every extra gram it puts on the bike.

    (on yeah, sorry for the **** quality pics, will do a proper photoshoot when the xx1 arrives)
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    taste of december's snow

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoAl View Post
    taste of december's snow
    haha. i tested the bike in 15km steep road ascent and 15km descent yesterday. in rain. at night. about 3m frontal visibility. big fun except the uncertainty of survival vs. freezing to death.

    at one point during the descent i was convinced that my rear tyre must be running flat, i had the feeling that when i steer the bike a bit, the rear was floating from side to side. no idea why that was. could have been just how i perceived the bike due to my own fatigue at that time. at that area, garmin recorded the lowest temperature during the ride, 5ºC. but when i went out of the mountains and the temperature went back to about 8 or 9ºC, the bike felt normal again. i had the shock on trail (middle) setting all the way, and i haven't set the proper sag/rebound on it yet.

    oh and i forgot to thank you LoAl for suggesting bikehardest for the shock bolts, they work a treat.

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    You're welcome

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    I like this bike: winter downhill, snow and -23degree Celsium (really cold)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ctarter View Post
    I like this bike: winter downhill, snow and -23degree Celsium (really cold)
    damn!

    i had a great ride today, 20km ascent, about 800m elevation gain, the descent was pure ecstasy.. pumped my tires to 60psi, everything is sweet now.
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    i like how the matte carbon weave is not visible under a bit dimmer light conditions.

    also from this angle the beauty of the frame really stands out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    i like how the matte carbon weave is not visible under a bit dimmer light conditions.

    also from this angle the beauty of the frame really stands out.

    That looks Gorgeous, I have the Matt on my HT, and now seeing yours i wish i had the Matt in the Full suss too.
    But i'm not unhappy with the way mine looks

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    do any of these beauties have 120mm of squish? Also, if you order from flyxi do you need to buy any special mounting hardware? And what is the consensus on the pivots. Is there anything that needs to be done to them other than adding lube?
    thanx in advance
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    I ordered from Flyxii, just normal 20mm shock bushings that should come with your shock is fine and easily fitted, also the pivots are really good and are holding up to the crap weather over here fine!

    I use 120mm forks on mine, it has 110mm at the rear so the ride is spot on.

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    thnx vwsurfbum. If I get a fox rp23 what tunes should I use? If I get one of these frames I'll post pictures when I build it up. Just need to save up for a little while. I'm glad all you guys like these.
    my carbon footprint has cleats

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    Rp23 would be ideal! Start saving then start beating!!!

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