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    Interesting pricing difference over the other side of the pond, anything with santacruz written on it would be about £1500 upwards and that's if we even get a chance to buy it!
    But theses work out about £460! Big difference in price.

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    i think i'm gonna order the frame from flyxii. they offer free delivery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfect Gentleman View Post
    i think i'm gonna order the frame from flyxii. they offer free delivery.
    Do you know if it's by air or ship? Boat can take several months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    Do you know if it's by air or ship? Boat can take several months.
    i don't think that it would take too long. i'm in Siberia. i ordered some gadgets at DealExtreme, it took 1.5 month or smth about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    Interesting pricing difference over the other side of the pond, anything with santacruz written on it would be about £1500 upwards and that's if we even get a chance to buy it!
    But theses work out about £460! Big difference in price.

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    Yep, big difference!
    Here in Sweden it will also be about a factor of three between them in price.

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    these pivot bearings or non-bearing pivot keeps away from it. it would be no joy to brake frame or/and injury yourself in the middle of trail cause grease leaked from these non-bearings

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    The main pivots have bearings

    The lower pivots most certainly have bearings. The pivots at the chain stays are brass bushings if I remember correctly. Time will tell if this is a problem. I have no idea what Scott uses at their pivots. I would be interested to know.

    However, I very much doubt that bearing vs bushings at a pivot will cause a catastrophic failure on the trail. It seems far fetched, but anything is possible. If you want to argue that the frames are fragile and as such they may break, that would be catastrophic. But most carbon failures turn out to be non-catastrophic, other than a hike back out of wherever you happen to be riding. Which in some cases is a catastrophe depending on your personal definition of that word.

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    i speak of bearing/non-bearing/pivots, not carbon frame itself, i assume that material is good, but pivot is complex, and presume that chinese guys may not have done it reliable and strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfect Gentleman View Post
    i speak of bearing/non-bearing/pivots, not carbon frame itself, i assume that material is good, but pivot is complex, and presume that chinese guys may not have done it reliable and strong.
    Bushings are not a bad thing. The rear pivot hardly makes any rotations, so a simple delrin of DU bushing would be just fine!
    I'm more curious about the upper&lower pivots of the swinging link, because they rotate quite a lot!

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    I agree PG

    If there was one place where I thought they might mess up that would be it. I was wondering about the Scott because t looks as if that's what they copied. However if the mold is made well then the pivots should have proper alignment. That would be the most important thing. after that there is the question of whether there is after mold machining to fit the bushings or bearings in the frame. I can see lots of room for error.

    In fact when I took the frame out of the box and found I couldn't cycles the suspension, I was very concerned. I took apart the pivots and greased them and made sure the torque was correct and that made a world of difference. I have ridden the assembled bike and the suspension is doing its job. It's not a VPP frame but so far my friend is liking it.

    It may disintegrate over time. So maybe we're only renting a frame. The economic decision is something like buy a $800 frame and have it worth nothing after two years, versus buy a $2000 frame an have it worth $1100 after two years. I just bought a one year old Tallboy Carbon for $1K less than new, I probably overpaid, but used Tallboys are thin on the ground. In that case $800 loss in value doesn't seem so bad.

    For my friend and I it was an experiment and so far he is very happy. We'll see how it survives his weekly Sunday ride and a few outings to Fountainhead.

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    nbwallace, i eagerly wait the report about his ride and especially about the frame: its behavior, reliability, stiffness, bearing, bushing and so on.

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    I finally got all the components, so I could complete my bike:
    Bar Grips: CTK
    Brakes Rear: Formula R1 160mm
    Brakes Front: Formula R1 160mm
    Cables / Housing: Shimano
    Cassette: Shimano XT 11/34 9-speed
    Chain: KMC 9s
    Crankset: Rotor 3D
    – Outer Ring: Middleburn 36
    – Middle Ring: Middleburn 22
    – Ring Bolts: Carbon Ti
    Derailleur Front: Shimano XTR
    Derailleur Rear: Shimano XTR
    Fork: Reba RL 80 mm tapered
    Shock: Fox RP23
    Frame: Hong Fu FM036
    Handle Bar: CTK 680 mm
    Headset: No brand China
    Pedals: Crank Brother
    Quick Releases: Tune
    Seat Post: Thomson Elite
    Seat Clamp: Salsa
    Saddle: Merek
    Shifter: Sram Attack
    Stem: Easton EA70 90mm -20°
    Tire Front: Maxxis Cross Mark
    Tire Rear: Maxxis Cross mark
    Wheel set (Front): Tune King 32 Hole with No Tubes ZTR Crest Rim
    Wheel set (Rear): Tune Kong 32 Hole with No Tubes ZTR Crest Rim

    Weight 23,39
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    very nice!

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    Very cool, but why 80mm rather than 100mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbal View Post
    very nice!
    Thank you

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    LoAl, have you tested the bike? how is suspension, its work, reliability ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Very cool, but why 80mm rather than 100mm?
    Thanks, I wanted a race setting. I must say that the bike seemed like the same balanced


    Quote Originally Posted by Perfect Gentleman View Post
    LoAl, have you tested the bike? how is suspension, its work, reliability ?
    I only noticed a little bending of seatstays. I improved by mounting a massive QR of my old Mavic ksyryum. To fully resolve, I would like to mount on rear hub a 135x10 thru axle. About the reliability of the pivots......we are waiting ....

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    and how does it work ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfect Gentleman View Post
    and how does it work ?
    The feeling is of an active suspension. Only on very steep climb with 22t I noticed pedal bob, readily solved by activating high platform of fox rp23. However, this frame has a suspension scheme very similar to that of trek superfly 100

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoAl View Post
    I finally got all the components, so I could complete my bike:
    Very nice! And how is the braking on rough terrain, or in descents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoAl View Post
    I finally got all the components, so I could complete my bike:
    Bar Grips: CTK
    Brakes Rear: Formula R1 160mm
    Brakes Front: Formula R1 160mm
    Cables / Housing: Shimano
    Cassette: Shimano XT 11/34 9-speed
    Chain: KMC 9s
    Crankset: Rotor 3D
    – Outer Ring: Middleburn 36
    – Middle Ring: Middleburn 22
    – Ring Bolts: Carbon Ti
    Derailleur Front: Shimano XTR
    Derailleur Rear: Shimano XTR
    Fork: Reba RL 80 mm tapered
    Shock: Fox RP23
    Frame: Hong Fu FM036
    Handle Bar: CTK 680 mm
    Headset: No brand China
    Pedals: Crank Brother
    Quick Releases: Tune
    Seat Post: Thomson Elite
    Seat Clamp: Salsa
    Saddle: Merek
    Shifter: Sram Attack
    Stem: Easton EA70 90mm -20°
    Tire Front: Maxxis Cross Mark
    Tire Rear: Maxxis Cross mark
    Wheel set (Front): Tune King 32 Hole with No Tubes ZTR Crest Rim
    Wheel set (Rear): Tune Kong 32 Hole with No Tubes ZTR Crest Rim

    Weight 23,39
    I'm wondering what was the final cost of this bike?
    If I had a black light this place would look like a Jackson Pollock painting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one View Post
    Very nice! And how is the braking on rough terrain, or in descents?
    Thank you. It's my first 29". Downhill it's exhilarating: the bike goes over all the obstacles, reaching speed I could not imagine with 26". I must anticipate the braking with 160 mm rotors


    Quote Originally Posted by reydin View Post
    I'm wondering what was the final cost of this bike?
    I can not give you a precise answer, 'cause the most of the components cames from my 26" frame. Approximately 3.900 euros (5k $)

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    very nice build

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    very nice build
    Thank you

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    Hi,
    Just comparing yours to mine, with 80mm forks your front end must be really low and the head angle would be really steep? have you measured it?
    I believe its designed for a 120mm fork?

    I have had a couple of outings on mine now, broke my rear hanger both times :roll: no fault of the frame just unlucky

    What i will say about the frame is its incredibly stiff and performs very well over the bumps, handles jumps better than expected and drops like there not there, its borderline all mountain machine!
    I run bigger rotor at the front as i feel 160mm doesn't stop you quick enough when you have the bigger wheels, but it will only house a 160mm at the rear. not really a problem as dont use it too much.

    I have a race coming up in 2 weeks, hardly done any training due to being ill etc and keep braking mech hangers, but i feel it will handle anything thrown at it.
    The bearings at the back dont give me any reason for concern as they are the same as a scott spark to which it is based.

    anyways enjoying it this side of the pond, got new bits and few more carbon bits ordered i'll post some new pictures once arrived.

    if you look at my sig you'll see photo's and weights

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    I once believed the bike to be designed for a 120mm fork, but I must take that back... the geometry indicates ~510mm axle-to-crown, but I realise now that the geometry is shown unsagged, which would mean a 100mm fork (~490mm sagged)

    I'm really itching to try this baby out, but I must restrain myself.... for now :P

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    Surely with a 80 mm fork, the ride is quite nervous....Even the 29" can not be lazy

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    any news, updates ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    Hi,
    Just comparing yours to mine, with 80mm forks your front end must be really low and the head angle would be really steep? have you measured it?
    I believe its designed for a 120mm fork?
    ........
    Technical drawings give a fork length of 506 mm. This should be a 100 mm. With a 80 mm fork (fork lenght of 490 mm), in theory head tube angle has increased from 71 ° to 71.8°

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    Some news. The assembly has resulted in some unexpected. The first, readily solved with a turn of a drill bit, has been the clogging of the end portion of a hole for the passage of the cable of the front derailleur. It was blocked by the material of the texture and color of a wax. The second unexpected was about the mounting of the front derailleur. The technical drawings of the frame suggested the use of a direct mount derailleur with two screws placed at 22 mm apart. So I ordered an S3 Sram X7 type double. When assembled, unfortunately I saw it was impossible to bring down the chain to 22. This is because the front derailleur is attached to the frame via a plate: this is too thick, then advances too preventing the derailleur to bring down the chain, even with the small screw end of stroke throughout unscrewed. I therefore had to fall back on triple front derailleur Shimano (XTR), always direct mount.
    Finally I lost a little time to find the bolts for the fixing shock on the frame. The pin is M8, only that the nut for M8 (13 mm) did not enter into the lower connection (12 mm). So, since I wanted something light, I ordered two internally threaded titanium pins M8: the upper one measuring 31 mm, 36 mm lower. With four titanium screws M6/16 I assembled everything.

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    To the test. I adjusted the sag of the shock as indicated fox (9 mm lowering) and I inflated to 110 psi the two chambers of the fork (my weigh 73 kg). First, the riding position is as I wanted: the right saddle-handlebar height difference due to the choice of a fork travel of 80 mm. On paper, this choice would have unbalanced the whole, having regard to the rear travel of 100 mm, but finally I have to say I have not accused any type of problem. When using a large crown, it is noted that the chain line is just above the central pivot of the suspension scheme, ensuring independence of the work of the shock while pedaling.
    On asphalt I have not seen pedal bob, this occurred only on a very steep uphill using 22. I turned pro-pedal, problem solved! Technique downhill: this bike is a train passing over everything, branches, rocks, channels, etc.. Limited only by the front tire on the muddy fractions, I did not feel very safe due to the low grip. Technique uphill: the lower front of the bike here really helped me, allowing me to advance without the risk of wheelies. It is clear that having the rear wheel constantly glued to the ground thanks to the shock work, it improves the performance. Singletrack in the undergrowth with tight bends: Here I found a little awkward, because I was losing time in tight maneuvers due to the high wheelbase. On the other hand, however I regained the gap of the driver ahead by exploiting the inertia of the wheel after having taken speed. In conclusion I enjoyed it, and that's what matters most to me ...
    Bottom Line: I have to find a lateral draw bottle cage, this interferes with the shock

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    Edit. Meant to post in the other Carbon HT thread. Mods please delete.

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    Still think the fork should be 100-120mm, makes sense withe 100mm rear travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YMMV View Post
    Edit. Meant to post in the other Carbon HT thread. Mods please delete.
    Sorry, but i didn't understand. Did I say something about the bike behaving as Ht?


    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    Still think the fork should be 100-120mm, makes sense withe 100mm rear travel?
    It may not make sense, but I like to experiment

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    Some new photos after a ride
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    looks good, more racy set up than mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoAl View Post
    Sorry, but i didn't understand. Did I say something about the bike behaving as Ht?




    It may not make sense, but I like to experiment
    Nope. I just replied to the wrong thread like a dummy. I was trying to reply to the other Chinese carbon frame thread, not this one (dual suspension).

    BTW-nice rig!

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    nice to hear that testing went good. if my order of GT Zaskar fails, i definitely order this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoAl View Post
    Some new photos after a ride
    So what was the final complete weight?

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    Mine comes in at 12kg but with big 2.4 mountain kings on (still muddy here in blighty) but I ordered some new rubber during the week, which will take it below 12 easily.
    Broke a spoke today on my CB wheels :evil:

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    here in Italy this frame is racing every weekend in hard xc and marathon races in one official team

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    Want to buy new frame need help

    I own a Fuji 29er hard tail that I want to convert to a suspended bike. I love the fm036 and want to buy the frame. Here are my questions:

    Are these sized pretty true? I'm 6'2" with 32" inseam riding a Large frame now. If you have experience with these can you recommend a size for me?

    Can you look at the components I am hoping to put on it and let me know what will not work?


    REAR TRIANGLE Fuji Altair 2, custom tapered 7005 aluminum with Edge S-bend MonoStay, Cold forged dropout with CNC'D disc mount and replaceable hanger
    FORK Rock Shox Reba 29 SL Air, 80mm Travel w/Remote PopLoc
    CRANKSET TruVativ Firex 3.1 GXP, 22/32/44T
    BOTTOM BRACKET TruVativ GXP Exterior Bearing System
    PEDALS Xpedo MF-3 clipless
    FRONT DERAILLEUR SRAM X.9, 34.9mm
    REAR DERAILLEUR SRAM X.9
    SHIFTERS SRAM X.9 Trigger, 27-speed
    CASSETTE SRAM PG-950, 11-34T 9-speed
    CHAIN KMC HG-73
    FRONT HUB Fuji Sealed Bearing Disc, 32H
    REAR HUB Fuji Sealed Bearing Disc, 32H
    SPOKES 14G Stainless Steel
    RIMS WTB Lazer Disc Trail 29", 32H DW w/ Single Eyelet
    TIRES Continental Mountain King 29 X 2.2
    TUBES CST Lite presta
    BRAKE SET Avid Juicy 7 Hydraulic Disc, 160R/185F mm rotor
    BRAKE LEVERS Avid Juicy 7
    HEADSET V.P. A-42E 1 1/8" Press Fit Integrated, 30mm spacers
    HANDLEBAR Fuji Pro Riser 15mm double butted aluminum 31.8mm
    STEM Fuji Pro Ultalite Forged Alloy +/- 7 degree
    TAPE/GRIP Fuji Dual Density Kraton rubber
    SADDLE WTB Rocket V Comp SE
    SEAT POST Fuji Forged Al micro adjust, 350mm
    SEAT CLAMP Fuji Superlite Alloy, 34.9mm Laser Etched
    WEIGHT, LB./KG. 28.96/13.135

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    Fm036 what shock

    I have a DHX Air 5.0 that is 7.875X2.25. I see the fm035 takes 165mm shock. Would this translate?

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    Nope ut would need to be 7.25

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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier View Post
    So what was the final complete weight?
    10,610 kg

    Quote Originally Posted by vontress View Post
    I own a Fuji 29er hard tail that I want to convert to a suspended bike. I love the fm036 and want to buy the frame. Here are my questions:

    Are these sized pretty true? I'm 6'2" with 32" inseam riding a Large frame now. If you have experience with these can you recommend a size for me?

    Can you look at the components I am hoping to put on it and let me know what will not work?

    FORK Rock Shox Reba 29 SL Air, 80mm Travel w/Remote PopLoc OK
    CRANKSET TruVativ Firex 3.1 GXP, 22/32/44T OK
    BOTTOM BRACKET TruVativ GXP Exterior Bearing System OK
    PEDALS Xpedo MF-3 clipless OK
    FRONT DERAILLEUR SRAM X.9, 34.9mm NO (it needs direct mount)
    REAR DERAILLEUR SRAM X.9 OK
    SHIFTERS SRAM X.9 Trigger, 27-speed OK
    CASSETTE SRAM PG-950, 11-34T 9-speed OK
    CHAIN KMC HG-73 OK
    FRONT HUB Fuji Sealed Bearing Disc, 32H OK
    REAR HUB Fuji Sealed Bearing Disc, 32H OK
    SPOKES 14G Stainless Steel OK
    RIMS WTB Lazer Disc Trail 29", 32H DW w/ Single Eyelet OK
    TIRES Continental Mountain King 29 X 2.2 OK
    TUBES CST Lite presta OK
    BRAKE SET Avid Juicy 7 Hydraulic Disc, 160R/185F mm rotor OK
    BRAKE LEVERS Avid Juicy 7 OK
    HEADSET V.P. A-42E 1 1/8" Press Fit Integrated, NO (it needs 1 1/8" - 1 1/2")
    HANDLEBAR Fuji Pro Riser 15mm double butted aluminum 31.8mm OK
    STEM Fuji Pro Ultalite Forged Alloy +/- 7 degree OK
    TAPE/GRIP Fuji Dual Density Kraton rubber OK
    SADDLE WTB Rocket V Comp SE OK
    SEAT POST Fuji Forged Al micro adjust, 350mm if 31,6 OK
    SEAT CLAMP Fuji Superlite Alloy, 34.9mm Laser Etched OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoAl View Post
    10,610 kg
    WOW thats a lot lighter than mine other than the fork (mines running 120mm) what else is different? What wheels set you running as mine arnt heavy?

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    My naked wheels weigh less than 1500 g (tune hubs and crest rims), saddle full carbon is about 90 g, ctk handlebar is 145 g, brake set is one of the lightest around, pedals, crankset and stem are also light enough
    Last edited by LoAl; 03-27-2012 at 03:58 AM.

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    rear shock mounting

    Hi,
    what parts did you had to buy in order to mount the rear shock? where did you buy it from?

    many thanks,

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    What size frame??

    I'm ordering the fm036 frame and wondered how the fit is. I'm 6'2" with short legs (32" inseam) I was thinking the 19 would be good bet. Any thoughts on those who have bought this bike??

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    I am ordering the fm036 from Hung Fu. I'm 6'2" with only 32" legs. I was thinking the 19 would be ideal. Anyone with experience out there think any different??

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    Regardin the shock, std fox 8mm fittings and std bolts from most lbs will suffice.
    Sizing im 5.10" and have the 17.5, and its just about on the upper limit, at 6.2" I would say 19 or 21??

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    Quote Originally Posted by gillsh View Post
    Hi,
    what parts did you had to buy in order to mount the rear shock? where did you buy it from?

    many thanks,
    I bought two titanium M8 axes from bikehardest.de, one 31 mm length, another 36 mm. They are fixed with four M6/16 screws


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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    If you go to www . Flyxii . Com its only $700 posted
    I see several posts saying this site offers shipping included in $700 price. Hong Fu wants $700 and $95 shipping. I could even live with that but they need 15 day production and another 30 days shipping. 45 days is a long time.

    Anyway, trying to get quote from the site above and all my emails get rejected. Has anyone had luck contacting this company? If so, how? Also, would be interested if shipping was included and how long it took

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    I ordered mine through their website, it gives you an order number and you include that in a PayPal transaction, 10days later it appeared at home all shiney and nice.

    Been great tbh, apart from I ordered some replacement gear hangers replacements after the event, and they turned up wrong. :roll:

    The free shipping is a selling point definitely and the free headset is worth mentioning. Remember im in the UK so it would cost them more to ship here, and the conversion to £ is worse.

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    I run bigger rotor at the front as i feel 160mm doesn't stop you quick enough when you have the bigger wheels, but it will only house a 160mm at the rear
    can you just use an adapter to fit a 180 rotor?

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    I haven't got a 180 to try, but ill post a pic of the clearance if it helps?

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    not the best picture, but its hard to get an angle that you could see the clearence. i would say 180 might be ok, but it would be close.

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    What Detailer hanger?

    I just bought full suspension 29er from flyxxi.com. I' short on time and would like to order derailer hanger before frame ships. I see they have 5 or so different hangers and I don't know what one I need. First, does one come with the bike? If it does, it slows down my need to rush. Second, how do I know what one to order? It must be based off of the deraileryour running?? I am converting a 29er hard tail that has SRAM x9 derailer. Not sure the size. If it helps it's on 2009 fuji Tahoe sl. Do you know if I have to change derailer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vontress View Post
    I just bought full suspension 29er from flyxxi.com. I' short on time and would like to order derailer hanger before frame ships. I see they have 5 or so different hangers and I don't know what one I need. First, does one come with the bike? If it does, it slows down my need to rush. Second, how do I know what one to order? It must be based off of the deraileryour running?? I am converting a 29er hard tail that has SRAM x9 derailer. Not sure the size. If it helps it's on 2009 fuji Tahoe sl. Do you know if I have to change derailer?
    Should come with one (their road and HT frames do anyway).
    Ask them to ship additionals.
    I have seen others do this and I have asked for 2 spares with my FM056 HT.

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    It does come with a hanger. I tried to order two others after but got sent the wrong ones. Easier to buy off eBay once you get the frame.

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    Pedazo de pepino. Enhorabuena.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoAl View Post
    Finally I lost a little time to find the bolts for the fixing shock on the frame. The pin is M8, only that the nut for M8 (13 mm) did not enter into the lower connection (12 mm). So, since I wanted something light, I ordered two internally threaded titanium pins M8: the upper one measuring 31 mm, 36 mm lower. With four titanium screws M6/16 I assembled everything.
    Hi LoAI,

    Where did you order the shock mounting pin & screw set? How much?

    Thanks.

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    Where did you order the shock mounting pin & screw set? How much?

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    Hi ang,

    I ordered from www.bikehardest.de. I don't remember the price, I think around 20-25 Euros

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    Congratulations!!!

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    Looks great..
    Thanks a lot

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    pay attention that the photo tricks: the price does not include the screws!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbonal.jason View Post
    Normally it will come with one derailleur hanger, already assembled on the frame, and you can ask the seller to offer your some spare hangers, such as below photo (it's model M7 for reference). Spare 1 or 2pcs maybe also can be free when you purchase the frame.
    carbonal.jason your photo of the rear derailleur hanger looks back to front compared to the picture on Hungfu website



    My chinese LTK023 hardtail rear derailleur hanger looks similar to the FM036 hanger

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    I pulled the trigger and bought the frame from Flyxii. They said 3-4 weeks and bike arrived in 9 days. Pretty remarkable.

    Now I have a wierd twist. My bike shop tells me that the front derailer is a very special set up that takes a Specialized specific derailer that they don't even know if they can get. I don't see anything on MTBR about that. Do you know what they might be talking about? Your help would be greatly appreciated.

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    We used an XT e-typeand took off the bracket.

    We used a shimano XT e type. I know there is also a direct mount e type but you can buy the old fashioned one and remove the bracket.

    Amazon.com: Shimano XT M780 E-type 3x10 Front Derailleur: Sports & Outdoors

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Well said the rear shock prices retail is just stupid high compared to a frameset. That said with the HT running about $400 if the FS can come in under $700 or so it would be worth it. But if your looking at over $1k with a rear shock their are other options like a spearfish.
    Isn't this an aluminum frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vontress View Post
    I pulled the trigger and bought the frame from Flyxii. They said 3-4 weeks and bike arrived in 9 days. Pretty remarkable.
    Hi vontress,

    Can you post a close-up of the shock mount holes(front & rear)?

    Thanks!

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    Can you post a close-up of the shock mount holes(front & rear)?

    Thanks!
    Is this good enough?
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    Thanks vwsurfbum! I have a DT Swiss EX200 shock 165mm on hand...thinking about getting those shock eye bushing from CRC in order to mount it onto the FM036 frame which I have not placed an order yet.

    Also, can you share the riding experience with this frame?

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    Does this bike looks like the Scott Spark 29 RC? The front triangle is different, but the rear looks identical.

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    its almost identicle to the Scott, all the internal routings are te same, just the top tube is different.
    The dt Swiss shock will be great, im looking for the remote lock out version
    Get those bushings ordered and the frame!

    mIne has take everything I've thrown at it, very light stiff and feels like more than 110 if travel at rear.
    I'm running 120mm up front and its perfect

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    mIne has take everything I've thrown at it, very light stiff and feels like more than 110 if travel at rear.
    I'm running 120mm up front and its perfect
    Glad to hear that 120mm up front is perfect. I plan to run a Marzocchi 29er 120mm, wont mind more travel up front for rocky trail.

    However, may need more time to locate a suitable e-type front deraileur.

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    I was running it single ring with a guide but I put on a old lx direct mount I had laying about.
    Loads of choices on derailiure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reydin View Post
    Wow , it might grow on me but right now, fugly comes to mind.
    IDK if it looks that bad IMO, but I think it looks like an amalgamation of different designs. I can see the Trek (superfly, Rumblefish), Yeti, and Specialized camber in there. Seems the Chinese are taking American designs and amalgamating them together, but I guess its to be expected when you design them here and give them the build sheets to make them. The first pic is the specialize camber by the way...
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    It seems like it could be built up for under $3000 full XTR and fox shock front and rear. Still a good deal. I couldn't even get a Tallboy Carbon D kit for $3000 and those come with a no frills package and recon silver front fork, but a name you can trust. I'm curious on these frames on the durability and longevity on them. It is a good deal if you have the money to experiment with.

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    Is anyone actually entertaining the idea that the subject of this thread looks anything like those four bikes? I mean, any more than they resemble each other, or any other bike? Why do these threads always have to wear those types of comments?
    "Amalgamation of designs" Is that a joke? Are we accusing Trek of an amalgamation of designs? Yeti perhaps? If not, why not?

    Back to reality, can someone make a point by point account of what has bearings, what has bushes, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    can someone make a point by point account of what has bearings, what has bushes, etc.
    Yes.

    Main pivot, Sealed Bearing.
    Rocker pivot, Sealed Bearings.
    Seat stay pivots (lower). Bushes.
    Seat stay pivots (upper) Sealed Bearings.
    Shock mounts. Bushes.

    does that help?

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    the lower seat stay pivot rotates less than the others, smart.

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    Thanks vwsurfbum.

    There was a few people concerned about this throughout the thread. That seems normal. I recently put needle rollers in my shock eyes and it had an amazing effect. I wonder if there are any available the size of the seat stay bushes?

    Also, I wonder if there is any variation in this between the different sellers, because there doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary there.

    The finish on yours looks great in those pics.

    I'd be finding it hard not to have a go at this with a 142x12 rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    Is anyone actually entertaining the idea that the subject of this thread looks anything like those four bikes? I mean, any more than they resemble each other, or any other bike? Why do these threads always have to wear those types of comments?
    "Amalgamation of designs" Is that a joke? Are we accusing Trek of an amalgamation of designs? Yeti perhaps? If not, why not?
    Why does no one entertain the idea that they didn't "copy"? I mean, they're Asians, like the ones that typically score better than a majority of the other class in math, science, etc. JKing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    Why does no one entertain the idea that they didn't "copy"? I mean, they're Asians, like the ones that typically score better than a majority of the other class in math, science, etc. JKing.
    Except that jokes are usually funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    Why does no one entertain the idea that they didn't "copy"? I mean, they're Asians, like the ones that typically score better than a majority of the other class in math, science, etc. JKing.
    Yeh, people misunderstand the nature of Chinese manufacturing. They are not just cheaper, they are better, quicker, and have more trained engineers. Depressing but true.

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    Also that the factory that this is made in actually make carbon frames for the big manufacturers

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    There was a few people concerned about this throughout the thread. That seems normal. I recently put needle rollers in my shock eyes and it had an amazing effect. I wonder if there are any available the size of the seat stay bushes?
    Hi MagicCarpet,

    What size of needle bearings do you order for the shock eyes? I wonder if DT Swiss shock eyes are of "standard" size as there are bushings already installed in the shock eyes.

    Thanks.

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    I have a Fox RP2 and I think it used 15mm needle bearings. Your seller should be able to tell you what your shock uses. I'd probably steer clear of the Enduro bearings as they are hit and miss regarding play and drove me mad. There are other brands out there. Hopefully of higher quality.

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    Complete FRM bike based on the FM036 frame

    Looks like FRM has started to take pre orders on complete bikes based on the FM036 frame, ranging from 4600 to 7300 EUR!

    "Carbon fibre monocoque made in Asia. Painted and assembled in Italy"

    Apparently I can't post links yet, so you will need to type......

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    Wow that's mental money!

    FRM Bike Technology S.r.l.

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    Why can't you just use a M8 Nyloc on the lower shock mount similar to the upper? Will it not fit?

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    There's no room for a nyloc nut, but I used a m8 round headed Allen sex bolts.
    Also just ordered some offset shock bushings for the rear shock.

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    Can you post a link to those fasteners for the lower shock mount

    I had to MacGiver something. But I would like to find something off the shelf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob13bob View Post
    Yeh, people misunderstand the nature of Chinese manufacturing. They are not just cheaper, they are better, quicker, and have more trained engineers. Depressing but true.

    sent from one of my 4 gold leafed iphone 4s's

    I disagree, there is little in regards to innovation in the chinese culture due to their government.

    Most of "made in China" labels usually have an American engineered design behind them. Cheaper labor and manufacturing is the main reason so much is done there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nbwallace View Post
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    OFFSET BUSHINGS.com

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    Hi is it a 165mm shock i need?

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    Yes.

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    I am considering one of these frames. What seems to be the best company to deal with? It seems that several companies are selling what looks like the same frame some using a different part number. Many do not list a price. It would be nice to have a thread started where folks post up their builds of these frames and their reviews. Something without all the speculation and anti or pro Chinese rhetoric.

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    Try FLYXI $700 posted

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    Try FLYXI $700 posted
    Thank you.

    Does anybody know the aproximate standover height of the large (19" I think)? Where the little seat tube brace meets the toptube?

    Thanks

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    I can measure my 17.5 if that helps?

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    Just measured mine, 31" but remember mine a 17" frame and running 120mm forks

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    Just measured mine, 31" but remember mine a 17" frame and running 120mm forks
    Thank you. Are you pretty happy with the frame?

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    Love it!

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    Hi whats the mud room like on the rear?

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    Very good and I run 2.4's

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    Cool cheers

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    I was thinking of buying one of these frames and making up a really decent spec bike instead of buying a carbon stumpjumper fsr. I have no real bike building experience and I was wondering if some one could post all of the components needed to build a complete bike once I'd secured a frame. The stumpy is nearly 9k dollars here in my neck of the woods so this looks like a do-able option.

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    Have you got a doner bike that you could Use? Or doing it from fresh?

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    Handle bar
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    Brake lever
    Stem
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    Headset
    Cables brake and shifter
    Wheels (hubs, rims, spokes)
    Tires
    Tubes or tubeless setup
    Disc rotors
    Disc brakes
    Bottom bracket
    Crankset
    Chain
    Cassette
    Seat post
    Seat post collar
    Saddle

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    Derailleurs
    Chainstay protector
    Handlebar end caps
    Chain rings

    Also

    Carbon grip paste
    Torque wrench
    Crown race setter tool

    You may need a star nut and cap too.

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    You'll also need a special tool to setup the cassette on the rear hub.

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    Did i get it all? I can't think of anything else at the moment.

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    Bearing press and bb30 installation cups
    Steer tube holder/cutter
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    cable housings
    fork, unless you get a carbon one from the frame supplier.

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    Its not a bb30 frame.
    Why would you put carbon forks on a full suss frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by connolm View Post
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    Handlebar end caps
    Chain rings

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    You may need a star nut and cap too.

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    This is where the math get's fuzzy for me. Unless you already have parts you want to swap over it doesn't seem to make sense to buy one of these Chinese frames, FS or HT. A good spec of parts (XT or XO) all in with Fork and Shock is going to cost about $4,000, maybe less if you can find some deals add in the frame and you're at $4,750. A Scott Spark 10 is $5,000 with a pretty good spec. For an extra $250 you get an assembled bike with a warranty and shop to stand behind anything else that may go wrong. It's a different story if you're swapping parts or can get a super deal on a build kit but otherwise it doesn't seem like a great deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donjc451 View Post
    This is where the math get's fuzzy for me. Unless you already have parts you want to swap over it doesn't seem to make sense to buy one of these Chinese frames, FS or HT. A good spec of parts (XT or XO) all in with Fork and Shock is going to cost about $4,000, maybe less if you can find some deals add in the frame and you're at $4,750. A Scott Spark 10 is $5,000 with a pretty good spec. For an extra $250 you get an assembled bike with a warranty and shop to stand behind anything else that may go wrong. It's a different story if you're swapping parts or can get a super deal on a build kit but otherwise it doesn't seem like a great deal.
    Not sure where you are buying your parts. I can get a XT group with brakes, all day on ebay or from online sources like BikerBob for $800 or less. You can also get forks for $500 on ebay,amazon, anywhere. Wheels can be had for $300. Plus you get to spec the whole bike yourself. These bike can be built for way less and it is your bike, your spec. Plus some people just get their rocks off building bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adim_X View Post
    Not sure where you are buying your parts. I can get a XT group with brakes, all day on ebay or from online sources like BikerBob for $800 or less. You can also get forks for $500 on ebay,amazon, anywhere. Wheels can be had for $300. Plus you get to spec the whole bike yourself. These bike can be built for way less and it is your bike, your spec. Plus some people just get their rocks off building bikes.

    I'm totally down with wanting to build a bike yourself and getting it exactly how you want. The point of my post however is if your solely doing this to get a great deal you may want to think twice. Look at at what a comparably spec'd Scott will cost you versus going Chinese and building it up from scratch. Here is a spec that might be considered comparable to a spark 9 (XT vs XO/X9 mix), these are good internet prices, yes if you went to 5 different shops online and e-bay you may be able to get better prices but most folks don't want to deal with that. This build would cost you $4,300 before any shipping costs, A Spark 9 goes for $4,200 and certainly has some cheaper parts like an aluminum stem and seatpost but it's a decent build. Not to be forgotten if the frame goes kablooey on your first ride your not SOL.

    Fork Float RLC $760
    Brakes XT $320
    Cassette XT 11-34 $80
    Chain XT $50
    Crankset XT $320
    F Derail XT $55
    R Deral XT $99
    Grips ESI $8
    Handlebar EC-70 $110
    Headset FSA $69
    Pedals C $110
    Saddle WTB $125
    Seatpost EC70 $140
    Shifters XT $160
    Stem EA90 $75
    Tires Rac Ralphs $120
    Wheels Stans $600
    Rear ShockFox RP3 $350
    Frame $750

    BTW, I'm not pushing Scott or any other big brand. I thought long and hard about buying Chinese and building it up which is why I have all these quotes handy but at the end of the day it didn't seem worth it to me. Ended up getting Scalpel 29er which I love and is a whole different topic.

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    Great to get your perspective but I agree with Admin_X, you can get a lot more for $4,000 off Ebay and other's online than the build you have suggested and my assumption from reading these forums is that most who buy these frames do enjoy shopping around for the best deals. Not sure what your referring to SOL re the frame. Haven't heard of any frames exploading and they come with 2 yr factory warranty. I've purchased a hardtail from Hongfu and after 6 months no problems with the frame. Granted a dually has more parts that can fail but so far I have experienced nothing to suggest that their frames are any less trail worthy than brand names (ie Scott) or that they won't honour their warranty if there is a problem. By the way, how do you find the Scalpel 29er?

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    The reason I bought it was because I snapped any Garry fisher and had all the parts.
    Buying all fresh parts will be an expensive way of doing it.
    Buy a second hand doner bike and swap all the stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beij View Post
    Great to get your perspective but I agree with Admin_X, you can get a lot more for $4,000 off Ebay and other's online than the build you have suggested and my assumption from reading these forums is that most who buy these frames do enjoy shopping around for the best deals. Not sure what your referring to SOL re the frame. Haven't heard of any frames exploading and they come with 2 yr factory warranty. I've purchased a hardtail from Hongfu and after 6 months no problems with the frame. Granted a dually has more parts that can fail but so far I have experienced nothing to suggest that their frames are any less trail worthy than brand names (ie Scott) or that they won't honour their warranty if there is a problem. By the way, how do you find the Scalpel 29er?
    Didn't know Hongfu came with a warranty so my bad, though it will certainly be easier to deal with an LBS than an internet retailer if something goes wrong. I'm not implying that the quality is any worse or better either, they may even be made in the same factory since virtually all Carbon MTB frames are made in China these days. Bike frames do break though and how much hassle you want to deal with if it happens is something to consider in the equation when buying from an e-tailer based in China.

    As for the Scalpel I think it's awesome. It is absolutely the best climbing FS bike I've ever ridden if it has a negative I'd say it has mediocre small bump compliance. I've written a more thorough review on the Cannondale Forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donjc451 View Post
    though it will certainly be easier to deal with an LBS than an internet retailer if something goes wrong. How do you know this?

    since virtually all Carbon MTB frames are made in China these days. Are you sure?
    sources?

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    sources?
    check the labels when you next go to a lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    check the labels when you next go to a lbs
    try again...


    Virtually all carbon fiber bicycle component manufacturing for various bike brands occurs in China and Taiwan

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    So where do you think Taiwan is?
    Taiwan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Taiwan also is a member of the International Olympic Committee and sends its own team to the Olympic Games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bt View Post
    Taiwan also is a member of the International Olympic Committee and sends its own team to the Olympic Games.
    Under the Chinese Taipei Olympic flag as a territory of the Republic of China.


    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    Time to stop believing the hype and start doing some science.
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    Some of the factories are also in Hong Kong (again part of China though).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Some of the factories are also in Hong Kong (again part of China though).
    but... but... they have their own olympic team.
    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    but... but... they have their own olympic team.
    Oh yeah.
    My mistake.

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    any further updates from anyone who's put one of these together?

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    any one try one of these?

    has anyone tried one of these? im thinking of saving for one of these possibly but id like to know how it will hold up first
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    Quote Originally Posted by henry9419 View Post
    has anyone tried one of these? im thinking of saving for one of these possibly but id like to know how it will hold up first
    FLYXI 29ER dualie MTB Frame
    Same frame as all of the ones posted here except from a different supplier.

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    Some clarification on Trigon CF 29er frame...



    This thing looks a bit different than the Hong Fu and FlyXi... Looks like a full FSR rear end to me, yeah?

    Here are some linkyz:
    Has geo: [ TRIGON ]
    Claims "4-linkage": :::: Welcome to TRIGON Bicycles ::::

    I'm a 29er n00b. But are those angles looking a bit steep or is it just me and my 26er bias?

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    Trigon's 29er is far more interesting that Flyxii & co.
    would like to know the price.

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    Your right its a different frame, but very similar. The rear brake is different and top tube is quite different

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    vwsurfbum, all of them are similar.

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    Well yes in that they are all bike frames lol

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    4 1/2" of rear travel and 490mm front axel to crown. I'd like to know what's going on there.

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    MagicCarpet, maybe it's misprint or for small size.

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    or they have used the same geo drawing from their carbon hardtail 29er here

    EDIT:
    then again maybe they haven't given one has linkages drawn and the other doesn't, sorry

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    So, I got a response from someone named Stella from Trigon. That frame (SQC01) is $1305, + $396 UPS shipping. No clarification if it comes w/ a rear shock.
    At that price, I'd be looking at a Titus El Guapo or even a Kona Satori...yeah, it's not carbon but whatev. Email below:

    We don’t have any distributor in US and we can sell the SQC01 frame to you directly.
    The price for the frame is US$1305.
    The delivery fee via UPS express is US$396

    Please let us know if you have any question,



    Best Regards,

    Stella Chen
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    Tel:886-4-23209798#14
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    Edit: I mean, as a carbon frame, it's still a deal (kinda). Looking at Stella sig, I think they might be sourcing it from the mainland somewhere... Let's find out where and if there's a better price, yeah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by henry9419 View Post
    has anyone tried one of these? im thinking of saving for one of these possibly but id like to know how it will hold up first
    FLYXI 29ER dualie MTB Frame
    My experience with Flyxii on their FR211 is they appear to be the "left over" or "second" or "discarded" distributor for Dengfu. Several who has taken delivery of the FR211 and matching fork have had small cosmetic issues. Mine had a chip in the seat tube collar area and a uneven finish carbon layer at the seat tube collar. Another recent poster had to sand down his steer tube to install the headset.

    You can save a little cash with Flyxii and if you can deal with cosmetic issues then I recommend them. If you want a closer to perfect product I would pay the premium for Dengfu.

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    I disagree with this, maybe with the HT not with the Full suspension models.

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    I think that 1800$ is for frame w/o shock. it's rather expensive. SC TB is more attractive in that case.

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    BUMP!! Updates on built bikes? Ride and reports? Anyone?

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    What would you like to know?
    I'm racing mine tomorrow, weighed it during the week, with Joplin and 120mm forks.
    No wheels it was 9kg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    What would you like to know?
    I'm racing mine tomorrow, weighed it during the week, with Joplin and 120mm forks.
    No wheels it was 9kg.
    Have you got the suspension dialed nicely? Pedal vs bump compliance? Any issues with the rear suspension pivot or anything else?

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    I got it dialled after I got the fox shock, took a few rides to get the pressure right.
    Pivots are ace and they get used in all weather and conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    So, I got a response from someone named Stella from Trigon. That frame (SQC01) is $1305, + $396 UPS shipping. No clarification if it comes w/ a rear shock.
    At that price, I'd be looking at a Titus El Guapo or even a Kona Satori...yeah, it's not carbon but whatev. Email below:

    We don’t have any distributor in US and we can sell the SQC01 frame to you directly.
    The price for the frame is US$1305.
    The delivery fee via UPS express is US$396

    Please let us know if you have any question,



    Best Regards,

    Stella Chen
    Conviva Marketing Co., Ltd
    Team Leader, Sales Dept.
    11F.-9, No.20, Dalong Rd., West Dist.,
    Taichung City 403, Taiwan
    Tel:886-4-23209798#14
    Fax:886-4-23208848
    [ TRIGON ]
    Welcome to Intrepid Bicycles

    Edit: I mean, as a carbon frame, it's still a deal (kinda). Looking at Stella sig, I think they might be sourcing it from the mainland somewhere... Let's find out where and if there's a better price, yeah?
    Trigon also seems to have a Carbon triangle/alloy rear model and an all alloy model...it seems like those will be more reasonably priced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    I got it dialled after I got the fox shock, took a few rides to get the pressure right.
    Pivots are ace and they get used in all weather and conditions.
    Good to hear.

    Anyone else got one built up? Still a little concerned about the rear pivot. Ive tried reading through this thread but still cant find definitive detail of what the issue is?

    Am i right in saying that the pivot consists solely of a whole thats been formed in the frame and a bolt that acts as the pivot through it? that would mean its straight up metal-on-carbon yeah?

    Also, what bottom bracket does this thing take?
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    Nope its a sealed bearing pivot.

    Std BB not that BB30 nonsense

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    Nope its a sealed bearing pivot.

    Std BB not that BB30 nonsense
    Haha, i didnt think there such thing as standard BB anymore? Does that mean external threaded type, bb92, bb38 etc?

    Sorry for all questions, I'm planning a new build based around one of these frames, just want to make sure I know what I need prior to purchasing!

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    Awesome! I can run my xt cranks then

    Cheers

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    Yep std external type?

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    AUTUORI 874 CARBON 29R FULL SUSPENSION | Edge Design. - not sure if this is same frame but looks very similar, $1800 hope that includes shock!

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    looks like it. Shock included but that's a $1100 more for a bit of paint and a shock????
    Also it says BB30 and 1.5" headtube. Easily changed I guess, mine was tappered and std threaded BB

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    i think headtube is tapered in real.

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    Better ways

    I don't see the economics on this either. There are at least 2 better ways which will save you time, money & hassles.

    1- Buy a mint used bike. There are 83 ads here alone. Many are mint & <$2500, like mine..

    Niner Jet 9 large - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

    or

    2- Buy a used "name brand" frame for $1000approx. & start there.


    Either way, a year from now you have a bike that can be sold for alot more than one of these & you will probably spend less & not have to "re-engineer" the bike.

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    You may be right but there is a certain emotional appeal to building these frames up from scratch. I can't comment on these duallies but I have built up 3 Chinese carbon hardtails and the experience has been no less difficult than building up a brand name hardtail. In any case I suspect some will enjoy the re-engineering and the reviews so far have been very positive for built up frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kraiza View Post
    I don't see the economics on this either. There are at least 2 better ways which will save you time, money & hassles.

    1- Buy a mint used bike. There are 83 ads here alone. Many are mint & <$2500, like mine..

    Niner Jet 9 large - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

    or

    2- Buy a used "name brand" frame for $1000approx. & start there.


    Either way, a year from now you have a bike that can be sold for alot more than one of these & you will probably spend less & not have to "re-engineer" the bike.
    A lot of the appeal here is a carbon full suspension bike frame for around $1000. You are talking apples and oranges here by comparing you Jet 9 to the builds listed here. If we are talking $1000 full suspension frames sure there are plenty of options and you can get some near mint frames for that but 99% of them are going to be aluminum. Personally any 1K carbon frames I have seen are pretty whaled on .

    As far as arguing resale generally for what you save resale is a mute point. If you purchase a Tallboy C or Niner Rdo for lets say $2500 new, ride it for a year and sell it a year later you'd prob be lucky if you got $1500 out of it. Either way you would be looking at a $1000 loss which I believe that these frames will have more than a value of zero after a year. So why a "name brand" frame may have better resale you are still losing more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kraiza View Post
    I don't see the economics on this either. There are at least 2 better ways which will save you time, money & hassles.

    1- Buy a mint used bike. There are 83 ads here alone. Many are mint & <$2500, like mine..

    Niner Jet 9 large - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

    or

    2- Buy a used "name brand" frame for $1000approx. & start there.


    Either way, a year from now you have a bike that can be sold for alot more than one of these & you will probably spend less & not have to "re-engineer" the bike.
    No offense but I would never buy a new Jet9 let alone a used one.
    And you must have had a lot better result from selling used bikes than I have.

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    if a frame depreciates 50% i'd rather lose $150-200 than $500-1000. i'm sure you can still sell a used chinese carbon frame in good condition locally for >$150. It's almost impulse buy territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonic_W View Post
    if a frame depreciates 50% i'd rather lose $150-200 than $500-1000. i'm sure you can still sell a used chinese carbon frame in good condition locally for >$150. It's almost impulse buy territory.
    I'm kind of lost on your post here...Are you saying you only buy $300-400 frames? I would guess if someone was to sell their fs chinese carbon they would be able to get at least $400-600 for.

    Personally I buy bikes to ride and don't worry about resale. I think one of the advantage of these chinese frames are you can ride it for a season or two and throw it out and it still won't lose as much as riding name brand bikes and selling them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finny1999 View Post
    A lot of the appeal here is a carbon full suspension bike frame for around $1000. You are talking apples and oranges here by comparing you Jet 9 to the builds listed here. If we are talking $1000 full suspension frames sure there are plenty of options and you can get some near mint frames for that but 99% of them are going to be aluminum. Personally any 1K carbon frames I have seen are pretty whaled on .

    As far as arguing resale generally for what you save resale is a mute point. If you purchase a Tallboy C or Niner Rdo for lets say $2500 new, ride it for a year and sell it a year later you'd prob be lucky if you got $1500 out of it. Either way you would be looking at a $1000 loss which I believe that these frames will have more than a value of zero after a year. So why a "name brand" frame may have better resale you are still losing more money.

    I believe the discussion is about $2500 FS bikes. Sure we can debate the differences between aluminum & CF but from a $ to $ perspective the comparison is valid. Can you tell the difference in performance between 2 comparably equipped bikes..1 carbon & the other aluminum?

    I think bringing in $ 2500 Tallboys & RDOs isn't appropriate here. No one (in their right mind) would be choosing between a Chineese carbon & a new Tallboy to begin with. The more appropriate comparison would be...What would you rather start a build with..a new Chinesse or a 1 yr. old Tallboy if they both cost the same?

    Not to get all geo-political..BUT...don't you have a problem knowing these frames are being sold out the back door of companies basically "stealing" American co's frame designs? People comment.."it looks like a cross between a ____ & a ____" Duh, I wonder why..perhaps the Chineese co. thats making it also makes it for_____ & is tweaking the mold to make their own "original" (?) design. Not cool, especially for the American co. that spent the time & money developing the "real" frame & isn't profitting from their efforts.

    What about technical support.....what do you think "Jennie" knows about rake & trail or carbon lay-ups? Do you think you really have a 2-year warranty from a company you can't find on a map & has only a secretary that speaks english? Yeah right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    I believe the discussion is about $2500 FS bikes. Sure we can debate the differences between aluminum & CF but from a $ to $ perspective the comparison is valid. Can you tell the difference in performance between 2 comparably equipped bikes..1 carbon & the other aluminum?
    I thought this thread was about chinese carbon full suspension frames. Sure there are plenty of $1000 frames and $2500 bikes available and there are more than enough threads about them.


    Quote Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    I think bringing in $ 2500 Tallboys & RDOs isn't appropriate here. No one (in their right mind) would be choosing between a Chineese carbon & a new Tallboy to begin with. The more appropriate comparison would be...What would you rather start a build with..a new Chinesse or a 1 yr. old Tallboy if they both cost the same?
    I think this is appropriate. Again we are talking about carbon full suspension bikes here. When I was shopping for a frame I did make a decision between these chinese carbon frames and the tallboy. Luckily I caught a good price on a new tallboy and had the money to spend on it so that's what I purchased. Considering what the few used tallboy i saw sell for 1k looking pretty used and abused I think i would gamble on the new chinese frame...

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    Not to get all geo-political..BUT...don't you have a problem knowing these frames are being sold out the back door of companies basically "stealing" American co's frame designs? People comment.."it looks like a cross between a ____ & a ____" Duh, I wonder why..perhaps the Chineese co. thats making it also makes it for_____ & is tweaking the mold to make their own "original" (?) design. Not cool, especially for the American co. that spent the time & money developing the "real" frame & isn't profitting from their efforts.

    What about technical support.....what do you think "Jennie" knows about rake & trail or carbon lay-ups? Do you think you really have a 2-year warranty from a company you can't find on a map & has only a secretary that speaks english? Yeah right.
    Not about to get into the whole geo political debate. Personally I can appreciate that some of us are on budgets and can't afford the newest and greatest and have to look at other options. To me it comes down to most of these frames are coming from the same place and same quality and your paying a fraction of the cost because it doesn't have a big name sticker on it. I think a good majority of us have gotten poor customer service from a big name manufacturer, retailer or lbs. I wouldn't expect much for customer service from chinese carbon goods but i'm also not paying for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    Not to get all geo-political..BUT...don't you have a problem knowing these frames are being sold out the back door of companies basically "stealing" American co's frame designs? People comment.."it looks like a cross between a ____ & a ____" Duh, I wonder why..perhaps the Chineese co. thats making it also makes it for_____ & is tweaking the mold to make their own "original" (?) design. Not cool, especially for the American co. that spent the time & money developing the "real" frame & isn't profitting from their efforts.

    What about technical support.....what do you think "Jennie" knows about rake & trail or carbon lay-ups? Do you think you really have a 2-year warranty from a company you can't find on a map & has only a secretary that speaks english? Yeah right.
    Nice post with a heap of nonsense about someting you have no real idea on.
    If this is what you really think is happening then you need to go away, read up and then come back and post when you actually have a clue.

    Oh and awesome 1st post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Nice post with a heap of nonsense about someting you have no real idea on.
    If this is what you really think is happening then you need to go away, read up and then come back and post when you actually have a clue.

    Oh and awesome 1st post.

    OK, then give me a clue. Since you obviously are aware of the goings on in factories on the other side of the world. Where did you "read up" about these frames? The websites I saw didn't describe their R&D. Sure they build ALOT of frames, Hersheys makes ALOT of chocolate BFD, but the design is what costs.

    Who designed the frames? What races have they won?

    How is buying one of these frames benefiting any American..or doesn't it matter..you still have a job. Everyone else can go away, right?

    Glad you liked my 1st post..love to impress the shut-ins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    OK, then give me a clue. Since you obviously are aware of the goings on in factories on the other side of the world. Where did you "read up" about these frames? The websites I saw didn't describe their R&D. Sure they build ALOT of frames, Hersheys makes ALOT of chocolate BFD, but the design is what costs.

    Who designed the frames? What races have they won?

    How is buying one of these frames benefiting any American..or doesn't it matter..you still have a job. Everyone else can go away, right?

    Glad you liked my 1st post..love to impress the shut-ins.
    From my point of view, as someone from Australia, a similar carbon frame (santa cruz, niner etc) would cost between $3300-3900 (yep, prices are a lot higher here). I can buy 4 of these frames and still come out on top. even if a frame only lasts me a year of XC riding, i could still get more value out of it than a santa cruz or niner.

    im not bagging the big named guys, i totally appreciate the effort that goes into research and testing frames. but i have a tight budget ,and a wife that doesnt care about brand loyalty when there is a $3000 difference in price. thats our entire savings for holidays for a year, and i'll be pretty hard pressed to convince ger that this year we arent having a holiday because i want a niner frame intead of one of these.

    i guess what im saying is in a utopian world we would all have the cash to spend on bikes like SC, Niner, Scott etc, but we just dont. and if i want to compete at local elite level against sponsored guys that do have these big name bikes, i have to cut corners where i can!

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    JoeKing, my impression from your post is that you are implying people who buys these frames are not supporting the people who do the r&d, I assume if we bought a name brand you would be happy. I've bought three of the Chinese carbon hardtail frames and will probably get a dually. I don't know about supporting American jobs as I also live in Australia. But in addition to the $20,000+ I have spent at my lbs on name brand bikes over the years (Santa Cruz Blur xc, Pivot Mach 4, Voodoo Sobo, Trek Road bike, multiple rebuilds etc) I will keep going back to them to fix my re-engineering mistakes on these carbon frames. Is that good enough? P.s. I drive a crappy $700 car to pay for my passion, now I feel guilty for not supporting the local car industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    OK, then give me a clue. Since you obviously are aware of the goings on in factories on the other side of the world. Where did you "read up" about these frames? The websites I saw didn't describe their R&D. Sure they build ALOT of frames, Hersheys makes ALOT of chocolate BFD, but the design is what costs.

    Who designed the frames? What races have they won?

    How is buying one of these frames benefiting any American..or doesn't it matter..you still have a job. Everyone else can go away, right?

    Glad you liked my 1st post..love to impress the shut-ins.
    So basically you are saying that if it aint made in the Good Ol' USA it aint worth having.
    Luckily for me I am not an American and dont share this common insular American mindset.
    The Chinese are the largest suppliers of bicycles and Carbon Fiber products in the world.
    Where did you "READ UP" that Jenny DOESN'T understand carbon fiber lay up and head angles.
    Where on the internet did you "READ UP" that she DOES NOT do R&D and DOES NOT know about layup and design.
    Where did you "READ UP" that the cooperative of companies that produce these frames DID NOT research, develop, design and create these frames?

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    Joe tried to hit on Jenny and was shut down, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    So basically you are saying that if it aint made in the Good Ol' USA it aint worth having.
    Luckily for me I am not an American and dont share this common insular American mindset.
    The Chinese are the largest suppliers of bicycles and Carbon Fiber products in the world.
    Where did you "READ UP" that Jenny DOESN'T understand carbon fiber lay up and head angles.
    Where on the internet did you "READ UP" that she DOES NOT do R&D and DOES NOT know about layup and design.
    Where did you "READ UP" that the cooperative of companies that produce these frames DID NOT research, develop, design and create these frames?
    Not all Americans share that mindset. Some of us understand economics and globalization. Please try not to stereotype the masses for the words of the few.

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    Agree it is not ALL Americans.
    But it does seem common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    Who designed the frames? What races have they won?

    How is buying one of these frames benefiting any American..or doesn't it matter..you still have a job. Everyone else can go away, right?
    Who designed these frames? I guess the same who designed the frames which are sold in thousands by in-house brands sportswarehouses.

    What races they have won? According to the partner of a former WC silver winner in XC, took Victor Koretzky gold in the junior men’s cross country race of the 2011 UCI Mountain bike World Championships on noname chinese carbon hardtail.

    Why does these Americans compaies supports chinese workers instead of supporting american workers. Their bosses still have a job. Everyone else can go away, right?

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    how much does flyxii charge for shipping to the US? and how much does the FLX-FR-210 weigh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe3 View Post
    how much does flyxii charge for shipping to the US? and how much does the FLX-FR-210 weigh?
    I believe there is a picture of a large on scales in this thread, I think it came in at 2056g. That's without the shock and hardware. And I think shipping is free, I've sent an email to flyxii about shipping.

    What finish does everyone think is best for showing up frame damage in the future? Clear or matte, and which weave 3k, 12k or UD?

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    Flyxii postage is free, both times on the HT and the full suss. I did have to pay a minimal charge to customs on the HT though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Agree it is not ALL Americans.
    But it does seem common.
    After living abroad for three years and traveling to more than 40 countries, I have seen a coo on theme - ignorance in the literal sense. Most other cultures are so homogeneous that they do not have the opportunity to see, learn, understand, and then value the perspective of others. This isn't isolated to Americans like myself as I believe that mindset is more prevalent in other cultures. By the way, both Aus and NZ have been impacted more than the US from Chines economics around currency influences on the import and export markets.

    With that said, these frames are intriguing and a great value. The economics behind them do not necessarily make them a great long term value as the price advantage is not sustainable for the long term (separate discussion).

    As for the bike and a review, it appears that you should just read the reviews of the Scott Spark or the Scott bike posted earlier in the thread.

    They appear to be the exact same bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elacrosse7 View Post

    With that said, these frames are intriguing and a great value. The economics behind them do not necessarily make them a great long term value as the price advantage is not sustainable for the long term (separate discussion).
    Interesting, I would think cutting out the brand and dealer would provide significant cost savings and allow price to remain low. Do you think others will enter this space and force brand and service to provide advantage?

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    I tried sending these questions to flyxii, but i think the language barrier might be a bit of an issue as the reply was hard to understand. hoping someone can answer on here -

    -does the FLX-FR-210 frame come with a derailleur hanger?
    -which model derailleur hanger does the FLX-FR-210 use, as i would like to get 2 spare ones?
    -which headset does the frame come with, and does the frame ship with the headset installed?

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    Headset and hanger comes with the frame.

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    Its a neco headset and it just fits together, cups are already installed

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    So, I had an email from Flyxii confirming that they can do a matte 3k finish, and that the bottom bracket is a bb30 type!

    Anyone else got a bb30 from flyxii? I see that hongfu do this as an option, but the frame on the flyxii site looks like a threaded type

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    Mine from flyxii was threaded, but my HT came through as BB30 but was stated as threaded, so just bought a FSA adapter.

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    Hmmm. Maybe I should just order it and wait to order the cranks when it gets here!!

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    how tall are you guys and what size frames are you getting?

    i'm 6" and trying to determine what size i need

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    5'10" I went for the 17.5"

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    Anyone preferred for looking at an XL with a 21 inch frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    Anyone preferred for looking at an XL with a 21 inch frame?
    I'm 180cm and went 19" frame. Its closer to my current ride geometry, - giant anthem -just a little longer top tube

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    Hi i have 19" matt on order i have a fox rp23 for it can anyone tell me what size mount kit & the size of the bolts i need to fit it please.

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    22mm bushes and 8m bolts, just can't remember the lengths I think 35mm?

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    The answer is in my previous post

    Quote Originally Posted by the-milkybar-kid View Post
    Hi i have 19" matt on order i have a fox rp23 for it can anyone tell me what size mount kit & the size of the bolts i need to fit it please.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/8835610-post98.html

    I ended up making a brass part to act as a nut on one of the mounts.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/8926369-post140.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-milkybar-kid View Post
    Hi i have 19" matt on order i have a fox rp23 for it can anyone tell me what size mount kit & the size of the bolts i need to fit it please.
    From info in this forum from previous posts, ive ordered;

    -1 of these FTC Titan M8 x 36 Dämpfer - Achse | bikehardest
    -1 of these FTC Titan M8 x 31 Dämpfer - Achse | 299-Kappen - Hülsen | 16-silber | 1-Titan & Al | bikehardest
    - and 4 of these Titan Schraube M6 x 10 Linsenkopf Iso 7380 Grade 5 | 366-M6 | 43-ISO 7380 Linse | 17-Ti-Schrauben | 16-silber | 1-Titan & Al | bikehardest

    and the 22mm wide x 8mm diam bushing spacers for your shock

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    the real cost of ownership...

    There was a time when I was very tempted with Chinese frames but then I've done the math and I've realised that they turn out to be quite an expensive option. Some other problems aside, considering the resalable(?) "value", the moment you buy it, you effectively throw away most of your money.

    I'm NOT in any way criticising anyone's decisions as I used to find the Chinese carbon offering very tempting myself.
    I'm just wondering how many people really have an idea of how much it's going to cost them in a longer run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barteos View Post
    There was a time when I was very tempted with Chinese frames but then I've done the math and I've realised that they turn out to be quite an expensive option. Some other problems aside, considering the resalable(?) "value", the moment you buy it, you effectively throw away most of your money.

    I'm NOT in any way criticising anyone's decisions as I used to find the Chinese carbon offering very tempting myself.
    I'm just wondering how many people really have an idea of how much it's going to cost them in a longer run.
    Can you give an example of why this is not cost effective? My math isn't that good but a $700 frame + max $400 for shock and hardware is still far less than current prices for name brand 29er carbon duallies. Resale on any bike will represent a huge loss on your initial purchase so you may actuall lose less if you have to sell a Chinese frame, even if you part out and sell the components individually?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barteos View Post
    There was a time when I was very tempted with Chinese frames but then I've done the math and I've realised that they turn out to be quite an expensive option. Some other problems aside, considering the resalable(?) "value", the moment you buy it, you effectively throw away most of your money.

    I'm NOT in any way criticising anyone's decisions as I used to find the Chinese carbon offering very tempting myself.
    I'm just wondering how many people really have an idea of how much it's going to cost them in a longer run.
    people have already done the math on chinese frames, thats why they are buying them over a name brand, lol. I've seen the 26" chinese used frame sell for $300, $400 is what it cost new, so $100 loss is not bad at all. my 21# chinese carbon 29 HT cost me $1900 total, a name brand would cost $3000+. I don't see how thats "an expensive option".

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