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    Chinese Carbon 29er

    So a few months ago on here I saw some threads about people looking for a chinese carbon 29er. I got interested in them and starting looking and I've finally found one.

    http://loiceyu.en.made-in-china.com/...e-MTB753-.html

    The actual site is:

    http://www.gotobike.com.cn/

    I sent them an email asking about larger sizes and got a response pretty quickly from the actual company (They make tons of different things including road frames, wheelsets, water bottle cages, forks, etc.)

    I was told that the bike will be made in 16, 17.5, and 20 inches. I was also told the 16 and 20 inch frames wont be available until the end of the year. I was given a price sheet which includes everything they make, a picture showing the geometry for the 17.5 frame, and a picture of the actual frame which are below.

    500 bucks per frame plus 100 for shipping.

    I think I'm going to go for this when the 20 inch frame comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashplayer19
    So a few months ago on here I saw some threads about people looking for a chinese carbon 29er. I got interested in them and starting looking and I've finally found one.

    http://loiceyu.en.made-in-china.com/...e-MTB753-.html
    Note the frame material: "Carbon steel"
    May the air be filled with tires!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaster1200
    Note the frame material: "Carbon steel"
    That's not the vendor's site saying it. Vendor's site just says carbon and has info about their molding practices.

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    i would not have a problem ordering from them they help develop the molds for several chinese sourced carbon bikes from some well known brands.
    Wish they would not do the extra weave outer coat.
    Oh yea, when I was researching chinese made carbon road bike I registerd with alibaba.com. Don' t give your email address to alibaba.com. It will overload your mail address with spam. Just a few hours after registering with them.
    Someone told me that and I thought oh well, I have a spam filter. Well, u need a spam filter on steroids.....
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    It looks pretty and looks like it's carbon from the form of it, it's cheap so guess it might be worth a shot.

    Order a few spare Mech hangers just incase!!

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    It uses a pretty standard model hanger. Probably one of the top-3 for availability judging from the picture. I have a half dozen of those in my spare hangers collection. Incidently the price point drops as the quantity increases.

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    The company does custom painting and yes, they are carbon.
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    What are the 20" numbers?

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    I have no doubt that it's carbon...it's just funny to read those errors in their product information. But with some of that Chinese stuff, you never really know what you're getting...
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    Interesting. That bike looks very "niner-like".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Interesting. That bike looks very "niner-like".
    Sort of, but the geometry is not the same. There is a support inbetween the chainstay & seatstay on the non-drive side, probably for braking stiffness. The top-tube arch isn't that pronouced on the Air9; even on the XL model I saw. I don't see an EBB on that drawing either.

    Run of the mill knock-off.

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    Looks like a specialized

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    There is ALOT of info about the Asian made frames on the Road bike forums. QC is not as high on the frames but, they can be had for a song. Most guys are very happy with them. I wouldn't be scared of them one bit. May even be better than some of the name brands that are shaving weight off and making stuff TOO light.
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    I'm gonna order one in the 17.5. Why not right? Can't be any worse than the Fisher Carbon frames. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch
    There is ALOT of info about the Asin made frames on the Road bike forums. QC is not as high on the frames but, they can be had for a song. Most guys are very happy with them.
    I talked to a couple guys that ride road versions of these frames as well. They all seem very happy and I haven't heard of a failure either. Some of those guys drop a ton of money on the components for those frames as well.

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    I believe if you do your homework, you might can find these or some similar mtb frames for under $500.00.

    Roadie frame forum...There are 2 sticky threads

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/forumdisplay.php?f=77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch
    I believe if you do your homework, you might can find these or some similar mtb frames for under $500.00.

    Roadie frame forum...There are 2 sticky threads

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/forumdisplay.php?f=77
    Not 29ers though. I already checked. If you look at Hong Fu they have really great stuff there and thats where all the road bikers get their frames.

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    When they come out with the bigger sizes this thread will need to be updated so I can buy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    Not 29ers though. I already checked. If you look at Hong Fu they have really great stuff there and thats where all the road bikers get their frames.

    Correct...

    Hong Fu is prolly gonna be the one to get frames from.

    At that price point I'll prolly pony up and test one out. Hopefully around the end of 2010.
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    Not all carbon is created equally. With that said, they claim to use Toray, a company that is viewed in high regard on the composite industry. The actual cost of the amount of raw material needed to create a carbon frame is not that great. I have always had a bit of a hard time understanding the justification for the high dollar amounts builders charge for carbon frames, or carbon anything for that matter. Still, hand layup can be time consuming, and we all know that labor remains inexpensive in China.

    Anyone notice said frame is post mount only?

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    Looks like a tapered steerer as well.
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    They also offer 3 different carbon finishes. 3k,12k and UD

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    First of all, let me make it clear that I am not saying these are the same frames. Neither am I saying that they are from the same factory, but I am suggesting that they have very similar lines and it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that they could be from the same place with minor detail changes.

    No EBB on the Chinese made one? Well, it wouldn't be that big a deal to change that feature at the factory. The brace between the stays for the brake also could easily be added. Internal vs. external routing of cables is also a minor detail change.

    Could they be from the same place? They have more similarities to my eyes than not. I'm just sayin'. I could be totally wrong about this, but then again...........

    And I would also agree that the Specialized looks somewhat similar, but not as close as these two models.
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    This is the future. I cannot wait. Been jacked around by too many retarded hippie bike companies. Looking forward to a time when frames are a commodity like tires and tubes. Thats where all this is headed.

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    The future is slave labor, destruction of the environment due to crappy manufacturing practices, and elimination of the middle class?

    Well, gosh darn it, I guess that makes me a hippy.

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    If someone orders a 17.5 let me know how it is!!
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    seriously **** china
    tiawan i your on a budget, usa of you know whats up.
    otherwise your bummed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee
    The future is slave labor, destruction of the environment due to crappy manufacturing practices, and elimination of the middle class?

    Well, gosh darn it, I guess that makes me a hippy.
    Slave labor? Ever been to China? Fantastic working conditions they ain't, but calling it slave labor is pretty Godwin of you. Anyway, America's destroying the middle class just fine on its own- silly jingoistic anti-Chinese sentiments are ridiculous. Your allegation of crappy manufacturing processes is best addressed roughly quoting something I saw somewhere else on mtbr: your elite snobby custom frame builder has made maybe five thousand frames in his lifetime; the little Chinese lady who built my frame made five thousand last month. If practice makes perfect, perfect is made in China.


    Quote Originally Posted by veloreality
    seriously****china
    tiawan i your on a budget, usa of you know whats up.
    otherwise your bummed.
    Hate to break it to you, but plenty of stuff with "made in Taiwan" printed on it was actually made in China. They see Taiwan as an irascible Chinese child so marketing their stuff as Taiwan made doesn't bother them.

    This is probably in the wrong forum, or even on the wrong url, but China isn't going to become democratic overnight. Anti-Chinese consumer policy serves no purpose but to alienate the new industrial powerhouse of the world. Change takes time, especially with a culture like the Chinese have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OdinOrion
    Not all carbon is created equally. With that said, they claim to use Toray, a company that is viewed in high regard on the composite industry. The actual cost of the amount of raw material needed to create a carbon frame is not that great. I have always had a bit of a hard time understanding the justification for the high dollar amounts builders charge for carbon frames, or carbon anything for that matter. Still, hand layup can be time consuming, and we all know that labor remains inexpensive in China.
    ?
    agree with everything you said except cost of chinese labor,is getting higher every year at a pace of 25% a year. chinese workers still making about a buck an hour though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee
    The future is slave labor, destruction of the environment due to crappy manufacturing practices, and elimination of the middle class?

    Well, gosh darn it, I guess that makes me a hippy.
    I hope you dont have an Ipod, HDTV or DVD player in your house. Thats where all that stuff comes from too.

    I have been a MTBR poster since 1998. I am so tired and fed up with the whole boutique BS that is churned out here. It is even dumber than the Motobecane spammers. Ok? I get it. I see what you are trying to say. I am fed up and just plain worn out from getting my chain yanked by piss poor bike builders, the whole LBS business model and their crappy employees. Buying a generic carbon frame is right up my alley. Perfect. No more hype. No more stupidity. No more phone tag.

    I suspect many others feel the same way. Life is too short to spend so much time dealing with all the petty crapola and crappy people that call the bike industry home. Seriously. Is there any other group of people more flaky and worthless than the middlemen who work in the bike industry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by veloreality
    seriously **** china
    tiawan i your on a budget, usa of you know whats up.
    otherwise your bummed.
    Get your facts straight, most Taiwanese carbon manufacturers have move production to mainland China but still keep offices in Taiwan. So even if you buy Taiwanese you're probably getting Chinese made. by the way most of the bikes you own were manufactured in China, all except the Moots and Victoria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veloreality
    seriously **** china
    tiawan i your on a budget, usa of you know whats up.
    otherwise your bummed.
    My Tallboy is proudly sporting a Made in China sticker on the underside of the DT.

    Yep, horrible build quality there.........NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Chinese carbon 29er

    Hi guys!

    http://loiceyu.en.made-in-china.com/...e-MTB753-.html

    As described by seller:
    17.5" only
    ETT 592
    $500
    BB30, Post mount, 1.5"-1.125" headset

    Geometry: http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=attach:71:759:3177:1

    Does anybody knows anything about it? Is there any owner of this?

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    You sure that's a 29er?


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    Oops, sorry. Fixed, see link in first post.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=640919

    please close this topic.
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    old news...
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...t=chinese+29er

    why not check 1st before creating duplicate threads?

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    Is it exactly like a Niner or Specialized? No. Maybe similar, but so are a lot of 29er style bikes.

    Two things that are constants in the bike industry:

    1. Designs get copied / ripped off all the time.
    2. Asian / 3rd world mfg will dominate the market.

    Does Giant produce anything that is a truely new idea? Or do they just take ideas from the companies they mfg for? In the end, is the quality "bad"?

    The fact is, the bike industry has been dominated by Asian mfg for decades. Workers in the US are too expensive and frankly, the Asians have been doing it so long, they have figured out how to drive cost out of the product and still keep high quality levels. The cost of setting up a brand new shop in the US to compete is too high. And, there is no valid reason to do so.

    Other than the custom market, and the titanium market... it's thin for US mfg's. Over the next 36 months, the mass-produced titanium market will be under a lot of pressure and we'll see at least one major US mfg either close, or start outsourcing their TI mfg to China.

    In the end, you can grab this carbon frame from Asia. The only thing you are missing is recourse if there is an issue. Reality... most everything is from Asia anyway.

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    Chinese wages are growing actually. You guys outta read the economist, they're not at american union nonsense levels yet but they have gone up about a third for factory workers in the past couple years.

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    I would say there is nothing beyond superficial similarity between this and the Niner frame. Tube shapes and junctions are consistently different. The seat stays are very different. There's a missing non-drive side stay brace. The BB area is totally different. The seat tube is straight meaning that the chainstays are likely longer, and there's no internal cable routing. Once you look at it, it's hard to imagine how they could have a common origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    First of all, let me make it clear that I am not saying these are the same frames. Neither am I saying that they are from the same factory, but I am suggesting that they have very similar lines and it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that they could be from the same place with minor detail changes.

    No EBB on the Chinese made one? Well, it wouldn't be that big a deal to change that feature at the factory. The brace between the stays for the brake also could easily be added. Internal vs. external routing of cables is also a minor detail change.

    Could they be from the same place? They have more similarities to my eyes than not. I'm just sayin'. I could be totally wrong about this, but then again...........

    And I would also agree that the Specialized looks somewhat similar, but not as close as these two models.
    http://www.on-one.co.uk/news/product...s-in-under-1kg

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj
    I would say there is nothing beyond superficial similarity between this and the Niner frame. Tube shapes and junctions are consistently different. The seat stays are very different. There's a missing non-drive side stay brace. The BB area is totally different. The seat tube is straight meaning that the chainstays are likely longer, and there's no internal cable routing. Once you look at it, it's hard to imagine how they could have a common origin.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashplayer19
    I was told that the bike will be made in 16, 17.5, and 20 inches. I was also told the 16 and 20 inch frames wont be available until the end of the year. I was given a price sheet which includes everything they make, a picture showing the geometry for the 17.5 frame, and a picture of the actual frame which are below.
    If I look at the prints correctly, seems like 2.1 tyre is the biggest it would fit in the back.
    Maybe you should contact them again and ask if they can inprove that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apacherider
    Seriously. Is there any other group of people more flaky and worthless than the middlemen who work in the bike industry?
    One word:

    communists

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnypecans
    They see Taiwan as an irascible Chinese child ...
    Yet the world saw Taiwan as the Republic of China from 1949 to the 1970's (aka the rightful seat of the Chinese Government).

    That's the problem with Americans today...their memory is too short.

    Do I have Chinese products in my house? I know I probably do, unfortunately. You can't get away from them...for now. It won't be long that Chinese wages and shipping will cost too much and corporations will have to find a new source of cheap labor.

    If given a choice, I will gladly do business with countries that do not deny their people the most basic rights. Rights that we as Americans take for granted. Rights that we as Americans (used to) believe all men (and women) are born with...and would fight to make it so.

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    So, when all of you stop buying these "boutique" bicycles from "Hippy Bike Manufacturers", who do you think is going to be engineering innovation with new bikes when you help put them out of business?

    You people are short sighted.

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    Skip all the political garbage talk and stick to the bike...

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    This is the first generic carbon 29er frame to be coming out of China, right? Anybody care to field a prediction on how long it's going to take to see a plethora of no-name carbon 29er frames to fit all our wants and needs? There's certainly no shortage of carbon road bike frames for crazy low prices on ebay.

    Quote Originally Posted by rockhound
    Yet the world saw Taiwan as the Republic of China from 1949 to the 1970's (aka the rightful seat of the Chinese Government).
    How is that relevant to the discussion of modern China?
    That's the problem with Americans today...their memory is too short.

    Do I have Chinese products in my house? I know I probably do, unfortunately.
    you're fooling yourself with "probably." Even things that say "made in the USA" are assembled out of parts shipped here from China. The majority of the modern things you own were made in China.
    You can't get away from them...for now. It won't be long that Chinese wages and shipping will cost too much and corporations will have to find a new source of cheap labor.

    If given a choice, I will gladly do business with countries that do not deny their people the most basic rights. Rights that we as Americans take for granted. Rights that we as Americans (used to) believe all men (and women) are born with...and would fight to make it so.
    The problem is that stonewalling a political regime you don't agree with doesn't change the regime. Has it worked with Cuba? No. China, however, is seeing steady (if slow) improvements in human rights as a direct result of their business relationship with the West. To cut off the (mutually vital) link would be to guarantee a sharp decline in human rights in China.

    Quote Originally Posted by XCARTELX
    So, when all of you stop buying these "boutique" bicycles from "Hippy Bike Manufacturers", who do you think is going to be engineering innovation with new bikes when you help put them out of business?

    You people are short sighted.
    Stop buying? I've never bought a boutique frame, nobody's losing business because I prefer to spend my money more frugally. There will always be a market for custom frames; you are failing to see the big picture. Do you think boutique builders have some giant market share? I've never even seen a handbuilt frame on my local trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XCARTELX
    So, when all of you stop buying these "boutique" bicycles from "Hippy Bike Manufacturers", who do you think is going to be engineering innovation with new bikes when you help put them out of business?

    You people are short sighted.
    ...or not.

    Much of the innovation is of questionable value for actual riding over time, considering the exponential price increases that accompany it. Most real innovation comes from the independent equipment manufacturers imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aphlux
    Oops, sorry. Fixed, see link in first post.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=640919

    please close this topic.
    CLose this topic??? Whatever.

    These frames are very intelesting.
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    My Fisher frame was sporting a MADE IN CHINA sticker on it when I bought it. So I'm gonna have to say I'm still gonna order one.

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    Skip all the political garbage talk and stick to the bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmaHaq
    Does Giant produce anything that is a truely new idea? Or do they just take ideas from the companies they mfg for? In the end, is the quality "bad"?

    Exactly!! where is Shimano made? Seems to run great for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by apacherider
    I have been a MTBR poster since 1998. I am so tired and fed up with the whole boutique BS that is churned out here. It is even dumber than the Motobecane spammers. Ok? I get it. I see what you are trying to say. I am fed up and just plain worn out from getting my chain yanked by piss poor bike builders, the whole LBS business model and their crappy employees. Buying a generic carbon frame is right up my alley. Perfect. No more hype. No more stupidity. No more phone tag.

    I suspect many others feel the same way. Life is too short to spend so much time dealing with all the petty crapola and crappy people that call the bike industry home. Seriously. Is there any other group of people more flaky and worthless than the middlemen who work in the bike industry?
    Count me in. I now have 3 Chinese frames in the house, one 26'er hardtail and 2 road bikes, one for me, one for my wife. Purchased via AliExpress from 3 different manufacturers. Built up with swapped parts from other bikes we have, and new parts from ebay or online retailers. Built in our basement.

    My road bike weighs 16 lbs (I could shave weight with better wheels if I saw the need). It cost me less than half what a comparable production bike would cost. Not having a logo on my bikes that says "Specialized" or "Trek" or "Cannondale" or whatever does not make it inferior or less functional. It only makes it less expensive. I could give a crap about "status."
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    Hi,

    Quite interesting. I realized that link you passed is marked as " wholesale platform". How did you managed to go retail - 3 frames, even in one go are hardly belived to be wholesale.

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    That is a Carbon Stumpjumper frame 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    That is a Carbon Stumpjumper frame 100%
    Carbon Stumpjumper got BB30 and tapered headset ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    That is a Carbon Stumpjumper frame 100%


    The Stumpjumper does not have inboard brakes. The Stumpjumper also does not have a BB30, its BB91. The Stumpjumper also does not have seat or chainstays that look like that. In other words, its not a Stumpjumper.

    All bikes that are badged "Specialized" are made by "Specialized." (unless its a repaint)

    So, are you still 100%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IvanMTB
    Hi,

    Quite interesting. I realized that link you passed is marked as " wholesale platform". How did you managed to go retail - 3 frames, even in one go are hardly belived to be wholesale.I.
    Some sellers require bulk orders, others will sell one piece per order. Prices vary depending on manufacturer, type of frame, quantity.

    This is the hardtail I bought earlier this season

    Just about $372 USD, including shipping to my office address. I built it up as a 1 X 9 and have riding it hard for 3 months. No problems.
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    Comparing the frame in the 1st post with my SJ Expert Carbon 29er and they do look very similar. Slightly different dropouts and BB area.
    The SJ also has a slight bend in the seat tube that I don't see on the Chinese frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amillmtb



    All bikes that are badged "Specialized" are made by "Specialized." (unless its a repaint)

    So, are you still 100%?
    Does specialized actually "make" anything ? I thought they were a design and marketing company. Their bikes are made by ideal and giant and merida, maybe others ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj
    I would say there is nothing beyond superficial similarity between this and the Niner frame. Tube shapes and junctions are consistently different. The seat stays are very different. There's a missing non-drive side stay brace. The BB area is totally different. The seat tube is straight meaning that the chainstays are likely longer, and there's no internal cable routing. Once you look at it, it's hard to imagine how they could have a common origin.

    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyatt79m
    Does specialized actually "make" anything ? I thought they were a design and marketing company. Their bikes are made by ideal and giant and merida, maybe others ?
    Yes, they make water bottles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastezzie
    Yes, they make water bottles.
    and tires.
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    Wish they would not do the extra weave outer coat.
    Looks like they give the option of 12k, 3k, and UD carbon finish on most of their stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyatt79m
    Does specialized actually "make" anything ? I thought they were a design and marketing company. Their bikes are made by ideal and giant and merida, maybe others ?
    That was my definition of made. Specialized designs the frame, not Axman like stated above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amillmtb
    That was my definition of made. Specialized designs the frame, not Axman like stated above.
    Gotcha, no Specialized doesn't buy catalog frames, didn't get what you meant.

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    srsly...

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    The future is slave labor, destruction of the environment due to crappy manufacturing practices, and elimination of the middle class?

    Well, gosh darn it, I guess that makes me a hippy.
    bring back the tariffs.

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    bumps on the seat stays

    Hey, the first set of bumps on the seat stays... are those cable guides or did they put vbrake posts on a carbon 29er?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvossman
    Hey, the first set of bumps on the seat stays... are those cable guides or did they put vbrake posts on a carbon 29er?

    jv
    Looks like it could be cosmetic. The brake is inboard so routing probably would go along the downtube and chain stay. The der. cable routing looks like its internal, just judging by the small notch on the seat stay and the hole in the TT by the HT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aphlux
    As described by seller:
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    BB30 I dont see that on any of those links.
    Im not sure where your gettin this but that would be pretty sweet

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    Anybody have any recent info on these? The gotobike site still has only the 17.5 in frame. Im holding out for a 19in frame. Cant seem to find any 29in Chinese carbon frames on ebay either.

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    anybody buy this frame and did testing?

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    Hongfu bikes should be ready in the next month or so with their 29er. Sizes of 17, 19, 20/21. Contact them for better dates of availability.
    http://www.e-hongfu-bikes.com/index....age=page&id=42

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    chinese 29er in all sizes

    BCB-053 MTB Bicycle Carbon 29er Frame

    http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/11...rbon_29er.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbiker3995
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    http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/11...rbon_29er.html
    that appears to be a dead ringer for the Niner frame and fork, with a different BB design.

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    the more I look at this thread the more tempted I am. I cant seem to find prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sergeysy
    anybody buy this frame and did testing?
    +100.
    Anyone running any of this frames?

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    Does anyone have actual pics of one of these frames built up?

    I'm tired of looking at photos of these websites!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgerat
    that appears to be a dead ringer for the Niner frame and fork, with a different BB design.
    Not so sure I would call it a dead ringer for the A9C, granted it is carbon and a hard tail but that is where the similarity ends.

    The frame pictured has different seat stays, chain stays, top tube, down tube, head tube and a straight seat post. Also, the way the seat stays meet the seat tube is totally different. Add all this to the fact that it probably has a different layup and the type of carbon used and I don't see much relating the two frames.

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    On first page there is a poster that has purchased one but due to factory problems he stated that he was told to expect the frame in about 2 months (this was in late september I believe). So wont see anything until about the end of the year!

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    I considered ordering one from Hung Fu, but I cannot seem to get a geometry chart from them. The email keeps saying one is attached, but there is no attachment . . .

    They are also not currently in stock and I was told 40 days until they could be shipped. Not sure if that means in 40 days they will have an abundance of inventory or that they are taking orders for frames to be built on an as needed basis.

    If I broke a Niner or a Specialized carbon frame, I would be very sad. Breaking a $500 frame is painful, but not as painful as a $2000 frame . . .
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    Anyone know how you go about ordering and paying for products on alibaba? And also getting them shipped? Do you need to order multiple quantities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcbarny
    Anyone know how you go about ordering and paying for products on alibaba? And also getting them shipped? Do you need to order multiple quantities?
    Each manufacturer has a different policy as to minimum shipment. You have to contact the manufacturer and deal direct.

    By far the easiest way to get a single frame is to go to aliexpress.com.

    With one click, you pay for the item and shipping to your house. Your payment is held by alibaba in escrow until you receive the item. When it arrives, if it's what you ordered and in good shape, you authorize alibaba to release the escrow. If there is a problem, alibaba has procedures to address that.

    Once you build it up and ride it and then have a problem, I suppose you could contact the manufacturer and get some relief - though it might be a pain due to the distance/language barriers. As others have said, though, better to break a $300 frame than a $3000 frame.

    That said, I have 3 frames, 1 mtb and 2 road, each from a different Chinese company, and all are perfect. One road frame is now 3 years old and perfect, and the other 2 frames were bought this spring (road for my wife, mtb for me), and went through this entire season of constant use, with no issues

    My mtb frame is a 26" hardtail built up as a 1 x 9, and I LOVE that bike.

    Good luck.

    P.S. I also just bought a carbon kayak wing paddle for $275, including shipping. If I bought one from Epic, I would be looking at over $400.
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    I have a 19" on order from Hung Fu with custom piant shipping date is around dec 12 will post a pic when its here.

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    29er?

    I cant seem to find where it says that any of these frames are 29er specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-milkybar-kid
    I have a 19" on order from Hung Fu with custom piant shipping date is around dec 12 will post a pic when its here.
    What kind of custom paint options did they offer? I looked at the site but didn't see anything like that. Do you have to email them to see options?

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    Hi i just sent them a pic of what i wanted so we will see if its anygood when it turns up the frame was $450 piant $75 & shiping $75.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrphy
    I cant seem to find where it says that any of these frames are 29er specific.
    Me neither!!! I did a search with 29, 29er. Nothing comes up. I am assuming these are all 26" frames.

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    This company has a 29er. I am going to get the 26" and will post pics when I get it. They also are very responsive via email and will send you a PDF of the geometry chart. It looks like a blueprint to me. I will put a link here of the company and you can check them out. I have done some research and a poll of owners of these Chinese carbon frames and the response is all positive. The lady who emailed me back (cherry) told me that it is $50 to paint it. So the cost of the 26" with paint and shipping will be just under $500. They also said something about a banking fee but I would talk them down a bit before paying. I will also post my experience with this. Here is the link:

    http://www.gotobike.com.cn/gs_detail...&previd=500027
    They never made the "Slowster"

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    Here is the pic from their website:
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Chinese Carbon 29er-29er.jpg  

    They never made the "Slowster"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmarshall
    This company has a 29er. I am going to get the 26" and will post pics when I get it. They also are very responsive via email and will send you a PDF of the geometry chart. It looks like a blueprint to me. I will put a link here of the company and you can check them out. I have done some research and a poll of owners of these Chinese carbon frames and the response is all positive. The lady who emailed me back (cherry) told me that it is $50 to paint it. So the cost of the 26" with paint and shipping will be just under $500. They also said something about a banking fee but I would talk them down a bit before paying. I will also post my experience with this. Here is the link:

    http://www.gotobike.com.cn/gs_detail...&previd=500027
    What does "post mount only" mean? Looks like it's set up for disc brakes..... thanks!

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    I am lame I know

    But where are the Geometry numbers? 80mm 100mm?


    Where do you find the pricing and custom paint option

    Do they clear coat the paint?



    Do we know Tire clearance?

    Is that a matching front rigid carbon fork I see with it in the one pic?



    interesting but a mind phuck trying to find details under all the opinions

    and I agree with the dude who ripped the people in the bike industry. word
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    Why are there so many threads about cheap ass bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmarshall
    Here is the pic from their website:
    this pic and the fork underneath it on the web, look to have tapered steerer?????

    anyone?
    Why are there so many threads about cheap ass bikes?

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    I've been following this thread with interest and following the links. After poking around a few sites I found the frame for me. I dont even want a carbon frame, but I'd buy this just for the outstanding name brand:

    http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm...olesalers.html

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    these are being imported into new zealand

    http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Cycl...-332107012.htm

    A friend of mine is bringing them in. as a comparision a niner carbon frame here is $3000 NZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by beagledadi
    What does "post mount only" mean? Looks like it's set up for disc brakes..... thanks!

    Post mount disc brakes is what it's refering to..... as opposed to International Standard mount disc brakes. If you have IS mount disc calipers, they won't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apacherider
    I hope you dont have an Ipod, HDTV or DVD player in your house. Thats where all that stuff comes from too.

    I have been a MTBR poster since 1998. I am so tired and fed up with the whole boutique BS that is churned out here. It is even dumber than the Motobecane spammers. Ok? I get it. I see what you are trying to say. I am fed up and just plain worn out from getting my chain yanked by piss poor bike builders, the whole LBS business model and their crappy employees. Buying a generic carbon frame is right up my alley. Perfect. No more hype. No more stupidity. No more phone tag.

    I suspect many others feel the same way. Life is too short to spend so much time dealing with all the petty crapola and crappy people that call the bike industry home. Seriously. Is there any other group of people more flaky and worthless than the middlemen who work in the bike industry?

    True. Vietnam is the new China. And Taiwan is far too small and affluent for much of its computer or bicycle manufacturing to actually take place in Taiwan anymore. Pretty amazing that an island that would fit inside the state of Louisiana, and for which nearly half of it is covered by uninhabitable mountains, is responsible for so many exports. It's an attribute of hard-working Chinese people freed from communist rule. As long as they continue to exist as a separate nation, China will continue economic and social reforms in envy of its "territory's" fine example.


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    unless....

    Quote Originally Posted by fjaws
    Post mount disc brakes is what it's refering to..... as opposed to International Standard mount disc brakes. If you have IS mount disc calipers, they won't work.

    ....you buy an adapter.


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    A pink one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwe11
    A pink one?
    It's called bling.

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    How come there is no metal insert where the rear skewer clamps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    How come there is no metal insert where the rear skewer clamps?
    Because it's a cheap carbon knock off made in China.

    Shop wisely. I've got 3 Chinese frames and they all have removable hangers and metal inserts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    How come there is no metal insert where the rear skewer clamps?
    It is most likely just painted over. I have purchased two different generic frames and the drop-outs were just painted over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    How come there is no metal insert where the rear skewer clamps?
    It could be a full carbon drop out.

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    It doesn't seem to be painted in the pics I got from Jenny at Hong Fu.

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    So, has anyone broken one of these chinese carbon frames and been able to successfully had anything done about it? Or are you just SOL? If that is the case, I would rather buy an On-One so at least you have a 2 year warranty and could actually communicate with someone fairly easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph
    So, has anyone broken one of these chinese carbon frames and been able to successfully had anything done about it? Or are you just SOL? If that is the case, I would rather buy an On-One so at least you have a 2 year warranty and could actually communicate with someone fairly easily.
    Kind of agree with Broseph, paying the few extra dollars for a "local frame" where you can go into talk to someone might be worth a few extra bucks.... but not thousands, lol. I to am on the fence about these frames. Part of my problem is the little to no information when they (Chinese suppliers) are responding to my emails. How many times do I need to ask for a delivery eta and detail specs on a frame? Who is everyone dealling with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-milkybar-kid
    I have a 19" on order from Hung Fu with custom piant shipping date is around dec 12 will post a pic when its here.
    Milkster - have you gotten your frame yet?

    I was looking at the On-One carbon frame - 499GBP ($788) and should be out next spring. There are some people selling 29er frames for $670 on AliExpress, but I'd rather pay $100 more, get the slick On-One dropouts and have a name brand to back it up. But for $450, I could be convinced...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmaindonnie
    Kind of agree with Broseph, paying the few extra dollars for a "local frame" where you can go into talk to someone might be worth a few extra bucks.... but not thousands, lol. I to am on the fence about these frames. Part of my problem is the little to no information when they (Chinese suppliers) are responding to my emails. How many times do I need to ask for a delivery eta and detail specs on a frame? Who is everyone dealling with?
    Maybe they don't know what an ETA is.

    I was in France a week before I figured out what États-Unis was... and wondered why USA never appeared on any internet forms. Crud... I don't speak French (yet)!


    Quote Originally Posted by alexkraemer
    Milkster - have you gotten your frame yet?

    I was looking at the On-One carbon frame - 499GBP ($788) and should be out next spring. There are some people selling 29er frames for $670 on AliExpress, but I'd rather pay $100 more, get the slick On-One dropouts and have a name brand to back it up. But for $450, I could be convinced...

    Yeah, I'm thinking that for under $500, I'll roll the dice on that one. I'm sure they are plenty durable. They're probably not terribly refined in the ride quality department, or the lightest thing out there.

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    Earlier in this thread this is a poster who actually got one of these frames and on the scale it comes in at 2.6lbs for a 17inch frame that is pretty close to what GOTO Bike said it would be.

    I will be pulling the trigger for one of these when their 19inch frame is ready. I was quoted less the 600 CND at my door..assumig the US dollar does not get stronger in the mean time.

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    $500 aint chump change for me even if I do get a crabon frame out of it. I couldn't afford to just throw one of those in the trash and buy a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmaindonnie
    Kind of agree with Broseph, paying the few extra dollars for a "local frame" where you can go into talk to someone might be worth a few extra bucks.... but not thousands, lol. I to am on the fence about these frames. Part of my problem is the little to no information when they (Chinese suppliers) are responding to my emails. How many times do I need to ask for a delivery eta and detail specs on a frame? Who is everyone dealling with?
    If I were you I would email Jenny at Hong-Fu. Everytime I emailed her I get a fast response and all my questions are answered. They don't show a 29er on their website but they do offer it and it is one of the better quality ones too.

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    Can someone post the photo of the Hong-Fu frame? One other thing, has anyone seen it in person to be able to confirm that it is one of the better quality ones (chinese frames)?

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    Does anybody have any pictures of one of these frames built up? I've seen the picture from the website at least 50 times but have yet to see this frame built up.

    What is the difference in the 3 offered finishes? IE What does the 12k, 3k, and UD carbon finish look like?
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    $390 would work, I just haven't had anyone actually respond to one of my e-mails.

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    I emailed the "Jenny" person and asked about any type of warranty. Haven't heard anything back yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph
    I emailed the "Jenny" person and asked about any type of warranty. Haven't heard anything back yet.
    A "warranty" is what you get when you pay full retail @ $2000+/- for a frame that has the words "Specialized" or whatever painted on it.

    For $500 +/- you get a knock off (no graphics) or even a counterfeit (painted like the real thing) from China. You don't get a warranty. And even if you did, how would you ever enforce it in Mainland China?

    Look at it this way. You pay $500 for a Chinese carbon frame. I have 3 of them. Trust me, it won't arrive in the box broken. You ride it. I've ridden one of mine (road frame) for 3 years, my wife has ridden a road frame for a year, and I have beat the hell out of a hardtail mtn. frame all of this season, with not the slightest problem.

    But say you have a problem after a number of great rides, 1/2 a season, 1 full season, 2 seasons, whatever. You crack the top tube or a chainstay. You remove the parts, throw the frame out (recycle it), buy a new one, and rebuild. You're still $1000 ahead of the Specialized. Odds are that you won't get 2 lemons in a row. But even if you do, you still have 2 more chances with China with the odds in your favor till you are at break even with Specialized. And by then you are 4 or 5 years down the road, and if you bought that Specialized in the first place, you'd be in the market for a new frame anyway.

    So I'm saying that yes, there is a gamble aspect to this, and you get what you pay for, and if it's too good to be true, then it's false.

    But, do any of us really know that the $2000 Specialized is better built, of higher quality material, and less prone to fail? Maybe the cheap Chinese knock-off is the same exact frame. After all, most of them are built in China anyway. Or maybe it's a piece of junk. I don't believe regular consumers like us have the data available to determine whether one is really measurably different than or superior to the other. Maybe somebody with the right background will study it. Maybe the next issue of Mt. Bike Action will have an article on it. Until then, it's go cheap or go big, take your pick.

    If you aren't willing to risk your money and your body, then a Chinese knock off is not for you. If you want a warranty, then you'd better deal with your LBS and buy full retail.
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    Ive never understood the they are all made in China idea. I build frames, and so does Steve Potts, were both in the USA so our frames are pretty much the same. There are a bunch of factories in China and they all produce good frames and bad frames. paying for a good frame means a lot to me. I could buy 4 cheap carbon frames but I only have 1 set of teeth. If your not particularly fond of your body and dont mind destroying it then by all means get the cheap frame four times. Im not saying a nice frame is not going to break, just that there is a little more substance behind it if it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoCo29er
    Ive never understood the they are all made in China idea. I build frames, and so does Steve Potts, were both in the USA so our frames are pretty much the same. There are a bunch of factories in China and they all produce good frames and bad frames. paying for a good frame means a lot to me. I could buy 4 cheap carbon frames but I only have 1 set of teeth. If your not particularly fond of your body and dont mind destroying it then by all means get the cheap frame four times. Im not saying a nice frame is not going to break, just that there is a little more substance behind it if it does.
    Considering the high failure rate of Fisher frames, if you value your teeth, I wouldn't ride a Trek either...

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    not mine...

    but I found this from the NZ site TradeMe
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    Well, I hate to break it to you, but not everyone pays full retail in order to get a full warranty or buys a new Specialized S-Works frame at full retail for one either. I know I won't be paying full retail on a bike or frame. So that narrows that incentive a little bit. If it is a matter of putting down an extra $300 or $400 for a full warranty, then the Chinese deal just seems less worth the risk. $788 for the On-One is just looking better and better. Granted, I haven't compared that to what I could get on something through my shop yet either.

    For $500, I think it would be reasonable to get manufacturers defects covered for a couple of years even if you had to eat the cost to ship the thing to China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoCo29er
    Ive never understood the they are all made in China idea. I build frames, and so does Steve Potts, were both in the USA so our frames are pretty much the same. There are a bunch of factories in China and they all produce good frames and bad frames. paying for a good frame means a lot to me. I could buy 4 cheap carbon frames but I only have 1 set of teeth. If your not particularly fond of your body and dont mind destroying it then by all means get the cheap frame four times. Im not saying a nice frame is not going to break, just that there is a little more substance behind it if it does.
    It's good to know that we can buy a quality carbon frame from a small business in the USA. As far as the "they're all made in China" meme, it's because literally hundreds of Chinese manufacturers sell many more hundreds of different frames on-line at - let's call them "affordable" instead of "cheap" - prices.

    Some are copies or knock offs. Some are actual counterfeits. Some are unique.

    We don't really know what we're getting for $500 or less from thousand of miles away in a huge country that will soon take over the world and is not known for having warm and cuddly business ethics - so it's somewhat of a gamble.

    My first one was a road frame I rode for 2 years before: a) I bought one for off road; and b) I bought one (road) for my wife. So far, I've been 100% safe and satisfied, and I am now inclined to believe that people who do blow big wads of cash for "name" brands are wasting money on pure marketing hype.

    With your expertise, you can do us all a service by addressing these questions:

    How does a consumer determine what separates a really "cheap" (as opposed to "inexpensive") carbon frame from a quality one? The type of tubing? The weave? The epoxy? Which tubes are used for which part? Etc.

    Where does price fit in? Does it cost a lot more to build a quality frame over a cheap frame?

    How much does a consumer pay for the name "Specialized" or "Scott" or "Trek" or "Santa Cruz" or whatever painted on a frame as opposed to the actual frame?

    How much do you sell frames for and do you warrant them?

    Thx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph
    Well, I hate to break it to you, but not everyone pays full retail in order to get a full warranty or buys a new Specialized S-Works frame at full retail for one either. I know I won't be paying full retail on a bike or frame. So that narrows that incentive a little bit. If it is a matter of putting down an extra $300 or $400 for a full warranty, then the Chinese deal just seems less worth the risk. $788 for the On-One is just looking better and better. Granted, I haven't compared that to what I could get on something through my shop yet either.
    Hate to break it to you, but your On-One frame is 300g heavier and $300 more expensive than my Chinese frame. If mine breaks, then I'll eat my words. Meanwhile, I'm a happy camper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt
    Hate to break it to you, but your On-One frame is 300g heavier and $300 more expensive than my Chinese frame. If mine breaks, then I'll eat my words. Meanwhile, I'm a happy camper.
    Eh, I'm not looking for the ultimate lightweight 29er. It will be my secondary/bad weather racer/training mtb. I've got a new scalpel on the way for my primary race rig.

    Also, Jenny just emailed me back. Turns out they actually give a two year warranty. Only thing is she didn't mention a 21". Looks like they are only going up to 19".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Considering the high failure rate of Fisher frames, if you value your teeth, I wouldn't ride a Trek either...

    Crock statement. Most cracks that I have seen reported were cracks at the TT/ST junction, a few on the chainstays/swingarms. Nothing in the HT area that I have seen. Nothing "catastrophic" where teeth were in peril either, though there may have been a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Live
    Crock statement. Most cracks that I have seen reported were cracks at the TT/ST junction, a few on the chainstays/swingarms. Nothing in the HT area that I have seen. Nothing "catastrophic" where teeth were in peril either, though there may have been a few.
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    The point was there is no statistical data that proves the ebay carbon frames are better or worse than brand names.

    I just dropped $3500 on a Giant but would also consider a carbon 29er from ebay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Considering the high failure rate of Fisher frames, if you value your teeth, I wouldn't ride a Trek either...
    +1, based only on friends i know who have treks, they have 100% failure rate. everyone i know who ownes a trek is on their 2nd or 3rd trek, some their 4th. and i dont know anyone who has broken a frame that is not a trek.

    ill say this though, with the trek your pretty much garunteed a new frame when you break your trek.
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    I understand that engineering has value in and of itself. But in the end, it's still just a pile of aluminum tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Live
    Crock statement. Most cracks that I have seen reported were cracks at the TT/ST junction, a few on the chainstays/swingarms. Nothing in the HT area that I have seen. Nothing "catastrophic" where teeth were in peril either, though there may have been a few.
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    Years ago I had a pre-wallyworld Mongoose carbon fiber bike and that sucker snapped right in half about 2 " behind the HT on the TT and DT... only thing holding the front end to the bike were the cables

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    2 year warranty, it will probably cost more in shipping to send it back then it will be worth

    As everyone is speculating I'm assuming these frames are made in the same factory as one of the bigger name brands. The Chinese pull this card all the time from Apple products to high-end purses.

    Personally i dont need another frame right now but I look forward to hearing feedback from someone that finally pulls the trigger on one. If consumers dont care about the sticker brand on their bike this could be a huge alternative for 29er fans!

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    These frames have a warranty. You will get a receipt and when/if it breaks they will replace it. I have talked to Jenny at Hing-Fu and she is very helpful. I would trust they would replace the frame if it broke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick d
    +1, based only on friends i know who have treks, they have 100% failure rate. everyone i know who ownes a trek is on their 2nd or 3rd trek, some their 4th. and i dont know anyone who has broken a frame that is not a trek.

    ill say this though, with the trek your pretty much garunteed a new frame when you break your trek.
    That's funny. I don't know about the more recent offerings from Trek, but back in the mid to late '90's their carbon held up great. I beat on a Y-bike for about four years and it never broke. Ironically, I broke the next three aluminum bikes I owned (Jamis, Tomac, Cannondale), and none of them saw a quarter of the seat time and abuse that old Y bike did. The suspension design sucked, but the frame itself held up fine.

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    i'm chinese..i know my peoples who's know peoples from peoples to peoples and all of people....go chinese peoples,yeehawww!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChipV
    That's funny. I don't know about the more recent offerings from Trek, but back in the mid to late '90's their carbon held up great. I beat on a Y-bike for about four years and it never broke. Ironically, I broke the next three aluminum bikes I owned (Jamis, Tomac, Cannondale), and none of them saw a quarter of the seat time and abuse that old Y bike did. The suspension design sucked, but the frame itself held up fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    Yeah, I'm thinking that for under $500, I'll roll the dice on that one. I'm sure they are plenty durable. They're probably not terribly refined in the ride quality department, or the lightest thing out there.
    Agreed (assumptively), but you see, that's where I get "irked". If i'm buying a carbon frame then i'm expecting "carbon attributes". If it's carbon that's gonna ride like steel then, imho, it's not worth the time/money. That's a point of vanity I can't subscribe to.

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    Well according to the multiple threads on Road Bike Review about the generic road frames, these carbon fibre frames ride like carbon fibre frames funnily enough.

    Many very positive reviews given to the generic road frames and carbon road wheels.

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    21" version of the HF frame will supposedly be available in about 3 months.

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    well, true

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewTO
    Agreed (assumptively), but you see, that's where I get "irked". If i'm buying a carbon frame then i'm expecting "carbon attributes". If it's carbon that's gonna ride like steel then, imho, it's not worth the time/money. That's a point of vanity I can't subscribe to.

    Want? Yes!
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    but I can tell you, if the frame is 2.7 pounds, it won't ride like steel. If anything, it will ride like a low rent alu frame. Zero compliance... Hard like an aluminum baseball bat. For my purposes, that is okay. I'm really looking for a weight weenie racerboy bike to fill out my stable. I'm looking for a gofast hammertime bike without much regard to all day comfort. I'm looking for a bike that will get me up the long 4 mile Skyline climb out of Sea Otter as fast as possible.

    Bonus points for having some vibration damping like a good carbon frame and not being too noodely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph
    If it is a matter of putting down an extra $300 or $400 for a full warranty, then the Chinese deal just seems less worth the risk.

    I think you should report to the DH/FR forum and take a look at how Specialized is treating a friend of mine on a broken SX trail. He was denied a warranty because his bike left the ground. An AM/FR frame that wasn't warrantied because it was used the way it was meant to be used



    So perhaps you'll forgive me if I simply don't put a lot of faith in some of these manufacturers and their warranties. At least if you break a Chinese carbon frame and they don't warranty it you aren't out several grand to replace it.
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    if there is a difference between

    http://www.e-hongfu-bikes.com
    HF-053-17,5 of (29er)

    and

    http://www.gotobike.com.cn/
    29HE MTB753

    Weight of 17.5" frame?

    has somebody already bought the frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311
    I think you should report to the DH/FR forum and take a look at how Specialized is treating a friend of mine on a broken SX trail. He was denied a warranty because his bike left the ground. An AM/FR frame that wasn't warrantied because it was used the way it was meant to be used

    So perhaps you'll forgive me if I simply don't put a lot of faith in some of these manufacturers and their warranties. At least if you break a Chinese carbon frame and they don't warranty it you aren't out several grand to replace it.
    First of all, I'm NOT buying a Specialized(not that I have anything against the Big S, other than their prices). And to use one isolated case to make a broad generalization about mainstream bicycle company's warranty policies is a little silly.

    Second, I even posted the information that Hong Fu DOES offer a warranty. I have no reason to say that Hong Fu would not make good on on a warranty claim, but compared to a major brand with a large distribution network in the states, I'm willing to bet the big brand will be a smoother process most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt
    You have to contact the manufacturer and deal direct.

    With one click, you pay for the item and shipping to your house. Your payment is held by alibaba in escrow until you receive the item. When it arrives, if it's what you ordered and in good shape, you authorize alibaba to release the escrow. If there is a problem, alibaba has procedures to address that.
    Have you (or anyone else here) dealt direct with a manufacturer or supplier without using an escrow payment service? Some of the suppliers on alibaba.com offer other manufacturers bikes are an pretty attractive (fell off the truck/boat?) price. I found something I'd like to purchase but the supplier wants me to pay them directly (in Hong Kong) via Western Union (first alarm bell) and say they can't do escrow through alibaba (second alarm bell). I sent alibaba a question regarding the company but it's feels sketchy. Any input? This is completely new to me.
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    Go with your gut on that one.

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    Yeah, sounds like a scam, and probably is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwe11
    Yeah, sounds like a scam, and probably is.
    Yeah, I was just trying to find the "too good to be true" line and this is probably over it. I did contact alibaba and asked them both about the company and their reluctance to do escrow. I'll see what they have to say about it too.
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    Paypal or some other escrow only. If they're legit they'll do it that way. I'd only use Western Union if I was sending a relative money. It's one step away from mailing cash in an envelope.

    When I bought my chinese frame I used Paypal, and it was only because tons of others have bought from the same place with great results.

    My Chinese road frame is pretty damn nice I have to say.

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    Steve where in NJ?

    Do you have a link to your frame?

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    Whippany, near Morristown.

    Best link I can find from the mfr site is http://dengfu.en.alibaba.com/product...rbon_fork.html

    I got an FM015 frame & Fork, regular seatpost style, headset, 3 derailleur hangers for $420 or so shipped from China.

    *Tons* of info and pictures from other people on roadbikereview.com. I dealt with "Mina" from Deng-Fu. Pretty easy to deal with, even with her semi-broken english. Didn't jerk me around, the only issue I had is I'm pretty sure she did her math wrong and charged me ~$100 too little. Everything came nice, packaged nice, etc.

    If anyone in NJ wants to see the frame, I don't mind showing it off.

    When you deal with these companies you basically ask what you need and they'll give you a price. They typically have a 800 frame a week minimum order restriction or something crazy like that. They have no issue selling just a frame. Shipping is usually expensive so tack on all the extras while you're purchasing. Extras are dirt cheap. I think my derailleur hangers were $2 a piece. Headset was $10.

    I don't know how these carbon frames work but I highly suggest buying the headset. I used mine but it's extremely helpful in figuring out which one to buy. The road frames use the campagnolo standard, which is a bit weird. If you spend the $10 you can then match up whatever fancy one you want to use to it, much easier than figuring out looking at the frame.

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    China 29er

    My GOTO China 29er arrived this week. Looks in perfect order as I too have ridden a 26" carbon from China without issues. I could buy 3 from China for the savings. Dam holiday travel this week will postpone my build. Was $550 to the door delivered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Precab
    My GOTO China 29er arrived this week. Looks in perfect order as I too have ridden a 26" carbon from China without issues. I could buy 3 from China for the savings. Dam holiday travel this week will postpone my build. Was $550 to the door delivered.
    looking forward to the build and initial ride. I'm curious to see how this holds up for you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Precab
    My GOTO China 29er arrived this week. Looks in perfect order as I too have ridden a 26" carbon from China without issues. I could buy 3 from China for the savings. Dam holiday travel this week will postpone my build. Was $550 to the door delivered.
    Hello can measure them please the max. tyre width it fits.

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    2.1 is close... i have been riding mine for a little over a month rigid...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17
    2.1 is close... i have been riding mine for a little over a month rigid...

    got photos?

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    Awesome, this thread needs more photos. That is a GOTO frame, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angel sanchEz
    Awesome, this thread needs more photos. That is a GOTO frame, right?
    yup frame and fork.

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    @mellowme what headset did you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by agu
    @mellowme what headset did you use?
    http://www.amazon.com/FSA-C-40-Heads.../dp/B0037N7S7K
    only headset option... this is what they recomend as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt

    When it comes in a 21 inch frame, or XL, I could be....I sent an inquiry today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17
    http://www.amazon.com/FSA-C-40-Heads.../dp/B0037N7S7K
    only headset option... this is what they recomend as well.
    yup! gonna score one of these soon (trying to source from LBS's first!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    A link to where you bought from? thanks.
    i emailed them, from the link on the first page..
    http://www.gotobike.com.cn/


    go to there contact information and email them

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    When it comes in a 21 inch frame, or XL, I could be....I sent an inquiry today.
    this looks like the inbred cycles one...

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    This is killing me! I'm at work and photobucket is blocked....can someone post the pics directly here? Also, what size frame and how big are you Mellowme?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otter
    This is killing me! I'm at work and photobucket is blocked....can someone post the pics directly here? Also, what size frame and how big are you Mellowme?
    i am 5'10 175lbs
    using 110stem with flat bars 12* sweep
    17 1/2 in frame i think i have to check.... i got a email from them saying they are doing 16 in and 20in now...

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    Do you know if they can do that frame in a UD finish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    When it comes in a 21 inch frame, or XL, I could be....I sent an inquiry today.
    Let us know what you hear, that's what I'd be interested in as well; 21"/XL carbon 29er frame.

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    Anyone has geometry charts for the frames?

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    so how's it ride?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph
    Do you know if they can do that frame in a UD finish?
    ONLY if you have a big order they will do custom is what i was told.

    Dictatorsaurus: its on the first page

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17
    ONLY if you have a big order they will do custom is what i was told.

    Dictatorsaurus: its on the first page
    funny i was told by "cherry" that UD was available to order at least at the beginning of January where they'll be ready to ship
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    Quote Originally Posted by foofighter29er
    so how's it ride?
    very stiff, great power transfer.....i am still getting use to it and i have been having some major wheel issues i will have to report back once i get another set of hubs the back is skipping under power!

    it does have a steep HT that i am not very fond of.

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    mellowme, what travel fork are you running currently, wondering running a slightly longer travel will slack that up a bit
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    Quote Originally Posted by foofighter29er
    funny i was told by "cherry" that UD was available to order at least at the beginning of January where they'll be ready to ship
    that sucks i would have gotten the UD... i placed my order months ago i have had the frame and for for about 2 and a half months now...

    if you are using there rigid fork. i had to use centerlock front hub because the screws rub the inside of the fork. also max rotor size is 160 for both front and rear. just fyi

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    Quote Originally Posted by foofighter29er
    mellowme, what travel fork are you running currently, wondering running a slightly longer travel will slack that up a bit
    full rigid with there rigid fork.
    they dont make a adapter to use a straight 1 1/8 steer tube.

    <a href="https://s420.photobucket.com/albums/pp282/darkfrost17/bike%20stuff/?action=view&amp;current=49b0e072.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp282/darkfrost17/bike%20stuff/49b0e072.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
    hope that works

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    What type of 1 1/2 to 1 1/8 headset does it take?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    What type of 1 1/2 to 1 1/8 headset does it take?

    http://www.amazon.com/FSA-C-40-Heads.../dp/B0037N7S7K
    only headset option... this is what they recomend as well.
    Internal
    Integrated..i dont like it

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    bummer about the headset Mellow.

    more ride reviews please!
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    This was probably made in China

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    I'm very intrested in this option, so what about shippment time & cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellav8ted
    This was probably made in China
    EDIT never mind looks like the new SC HT
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    Quote Originally Posted by foofighter29er
    EDIT never mind looks like the new SC HT
    so yeah, made in China

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph
    so yeah, made in China
    Yep, probably in the same factory as my Tallboy.

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    Is the GOTO frame a BB30 and tapered headtube?

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    tapered head tube but not bb30

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17
    http://www.amazon.com/FSA-C-40-Heads.../dp/B0037N7S7K
    only headset option... this is what they recomend as well.
    Internal
    Integrated..i dont like it

    FSA makes a kit such that you can run a 1 1/8" steerer tube, all Niners come with it that run that type of headset. I know, I'm running one on my XL Jet.

    If they ever make this in a 21" frame, I'd be interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morganfletcher
    Let us know what you hear, that's what I'd be interested in as well; 21"/XL carbon 29er frame.

    Morgan
    I got an email from Alisa, next month they will be making a 20 " frame mold., right now, they only make an 18" frame.

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    TR,

    Santa Cruz says they are the only carbon bike made in the factory they use. Easton maybe? Who knows if that is true are not.

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    The GOTO carbon is around $650 shipped.

    Not really such a great deal considering the new On-One Lurcher is going to be around $700.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwood
    TR,

    Santa Cruz says they are the only carbon bike made in the factory they use. Easton maybe? Who knows if that is true are not.
    Dunno where but mine definitely has a Made in China sticker on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Dunno where but mine definitely has a Made in China sticker on it.
    My Tallboy too! Easton has a huge 100,000 sq ft manufacturing plant in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    The GOTO carbon is around $650 shipped.

    Not really such a great deal considering the new On-One Lurcher is going to be around $700.
    site says 700 british pounds. ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    FSA makes a kit such that you can run a 1 1/8" steerer tube, all Niners come with it that run that type of headset. I know, I'm running one on my XL Jet.

    If they ever make this in a 21" frame, I'd be interested.
    what is the kit i couldn't find anything for integrated headsets.
    they should have 21in frames by next early next year email them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider
    site says 700 british pounds. ?
    That is for the carbon race frame and includes VAT.

    Target price for the Lurcher is 500 GBP (including VAT I assume)

    The Lurcher is 200gr heavier and has sliding dropouts for geared or SS use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17
    the back is skipping under power!
    Could be the Surly tensioner in the push down position, which I tried with little success. I ditched it for a Rennen on one bike and an STS on the other, both in push up mode, problem solved. I like the STS best as the tensioner wheel has side to side float which is a tremendous help,especially when you have axial twist in the rear of the frame on hard climbing uphill turns.

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    How much is the fork going for? I would be interested in one of those forks forsure!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kustomz
    Could be the Surly tensioner in the push down position, which I tried with little success. I ditched it for a Rennen on one bike and an STS on the other, both in push up mode, problem solved. I like the STS best as the tensioner wheel has side to side float which is a tremendous help,especially when you have axial twist in the rear of the frame on hard climbing uphill turns.
    Nope it's the hub. Metal shavings don't lie lol. I flipped the tensioner so it pushed up on the chain and then cable tied it while it was tight so it wouldn't move almost a full wrap on the cog to make sure it wasent the tensioner and it still skipped. Putting bearings in it today. But it seems like a temp fix. We will see.

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    Ok does any body have one? Are you man enough to tell us it was a mistake? Or that you just wasted 500 bucks....or are you are going to keep it secret...or you just saved 1200 bucks over a niner frame.....or.....or....Tell them to make one like the Tallboy...I will buy one for sure....
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