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    Quote Originally Posted by multistrada View Post
    I would also like to affirm DaChosenOne and others who have commented regarding Jenny and her responsiveness. I have received replies to all of my inquiries within 24 hours and more typically within 8 hours.
    I agree Jenny is great to deal with. She's quick at replying to my emails and her English is very good. I'm leaning more towards the LT-Bikes LTK023 though since it comes with internal cable routing.

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    Anyone had any experience with the internal brake cable routing on an MTB854? I have a XO hydraulic brake I'd like to bleed and then route through, but the holes on my frame look a little tight.
    Any experience or advice would be most appreciated!

    Update: I received an email from the manufacturer noting that the MTB854 frame DOES have "liners" for the internal cable routing and the brake holes and lining is wide enough fro a hydraulic brake line. Going to attempt it this weekend.
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    Where can I buy a MTB854 frame and for which price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intense01 View Post
    I ordered a matte carbon 12k finish frame from Jenny at Hong Fu on May 13th. She keeps delaying the ship date. Anyone else ever experience this with them? She said I would have it by the end of May and now she says it won't ship until the 6th. IT isn't a huge deal but I don't want my Paypal refund window to close if I don't get what I ordered.

    Anyone who has ordered from Jenny please chime in. Thank you.
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    Same problem.
    Will say she is probably the most responsive bike manufacturer sales rep I have ever dealt with and dealt with quite a few. (That means allot she's really trying I think but is nature of business and the rhetoric. You don't really expect them to tell you the truth ??

    just a for instance : "Yes you will have soon we try very hard to get to you first" ... translation "we are so backed up you will be lucky to see it by chinese new year....oh yea we will be off that entire week: gotta go ling wu dropped his I-phone in the the mold again and we have to call his phone and listen to all the frames to see where it is" )


    Just always pay with Amex thru paypal and you will never lose any money. If you get tired of waiting and want to quickly order somewhere else without worry of the $ returning from first order.
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    My gotobike build is finally done... unfortunately the weather did not allow me to do a proper test drive, only a parking lot ride.

    It's sitting at 9.9kg with these heavyish 36h rims... not bad at all.




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    Looks great! I can't wait to get mine in. Yours makes me kinda wish I got the 3k instead of the 12k. Let us know how she rides.

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    You will have to do a proper review of those Barro Race tires!

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    Looks good. If you route that front brake hose on the inside of your left fork leg, you'll be less likely to rip it off when a branch catches it.

    What size is that? Please get it dirty and tell us about the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    My gotobike build is finally done... unfortunately the weather did not allow me to do a proper test drive, only a parking lot ride.

    It's sitting at 9.9kg with these heavyish 36h rims... not bad at all.



    Love the blue Formula brakes!!!

    Great build, lotsa happy dirty miles with it!!!

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    Great build... quick what is that in lbs?

    @#$%^&* = 21.875

    NICE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by XCARTELX View Post
    So, when all of you stop buying these "boutique" bicycles from "Hippy Bike Manufacturers", who do you think is going to be engineering innovation with new bikes when you help put them out of business?

    You people are short sighted.
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    Check out page 92 of Mountain Flyer Magazine. Look familiar? Or go to www.jackalcycling.com if you can't find the mag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    My gotobike build is finally done... unfortunately the weather did not allow me to do a proper test drive, only a parking lot ride.

    It's sitting at 9.9kg with these heavyish 36h rims... not bad at all.
    Thanks for taking the time for all the wonderful photos and info on your build.

    Ah fun cardio toys.

    Check out page 92 of Mountain Flyer Magazine. Look familiar? Or go to www.jackalcycling.com if you can't find the mag.
    That's where they are going.
    also here:
    http://www.giantnerd.com/bamf-s h i t-kicker-29er-mountain-bike.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    My gotobike build is finally done... unfortunately the weather did not allow me to do a proper test drive, only a parking lot ride.

    It's sitting at 9.9kg with these heavyish 36h rims... not bad at all.



    Lookin' real good! Nice build!

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    Rear tire clearance enough for a Nevegal 2.2?

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    Do you think you can you get a 2.2 Nevegal on the back?

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    On the gotobike 753 i don't think so... i have a nevegal 2.2 around and i'll try it later, but my rear rim is pretty wide, it might not fit because of that.

    Anyway, today i finally got some saddle time, some people were interrested in the Barro tyres, they are fast on hardpack and decent on chunky loose stuff or thin layers of pine needles, but on sand, leaves or in the wet they no longer offer much traction. As long as things stay dry they are pretty impressive for 450gr tyres that look like slicks. There's a steep climb right in my back yard, small and medium sized gravel thrown on top of hardpack. On my 26" Giant XTC Advanced i was struggling with 2.1 Larsen TT and Rocket Ron, i had to go to the 2.25 Nobby Nic to clear it to the top. With the Barro i had no problems from the first attempt.

    As for the frame, it rides exactly like i expected it to from what previous reviewers described. It is incredibly comfortable and i could feel the heavy wheelset holding me back, it just wants to go crazy fast. The steering is middle of the road stuff, not slow but nothing special either. It really likes to be leaned if you got the side knobs for the job. It climbs pretty well, but on the descents is where it really shines, on all my other bikes i had some sections of this trail where i needed to get off the saddle and shift my weight back, but it wasn't the case today.

    I will have to tweak my position before i can really take things to the edge and give a final verdict, i think i had the front end too high and my weight a little back, i need a seatpost with no setback and less spacers under the stem.

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    Intense01 - fyi - Jenny confirmed shipment tomorrow 6/6 for my 12k Matte - have you heard liekwise for yours?

    Lets keep in touch on our builds and compare notes as we go

    I'm curious about your or anyones thoughts on Crankset selection for this frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by multistrada View Post
    Intense01 - fyi - Jenny confirmed shipment tomorrow 6/6 for my 12k Matte - have you heard liekwise for yours?

    Lets keep in touch on our builds and compare notes as we go

    I'm curious about your or anyones thoughts on Crankset selection for this frame
    I emailed her last week and she said the 6th so hopefully it goes out soon. I was thinking of doing an XX or Xo build kit on the bike. Not sure what Q factor it needs. As soon as it comes in I will update with pics.

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    I'm looking into a chinese frame but I was wondering if anyone knew if there was one that can do SS or geared? This will be my main bike and race bike for the time being but I get the notion that I'll want to test the SS waters in the future and it would be nice to have a frame that can do that.
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    order one with bb30 and pick yourself up a beer bb30 eccentric bb
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    Yeah!

    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    order one with bb30 and pick yourself up a beer bb30 eccentric bb
    That setup looks pretty sweet. I might let somebody else beta test that one. I'll probably end up going that route myself. Swiss Army Knife go-fast light bike!!


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    If I want to use gxp crankset with a bb30 bottom bracket, which adapter do I need? how do I install the adapter?

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    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/sram-bb30-to-bsa-adapter-kit/
    something like that will do the trick
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    has anyone actually been able to get a 29er with the bb30 bottom bracket? so far the only responses I have had are for the englishBB. Emailed gotobikes, hongfu and dengfu. Also emailed ltbikes but havent got a response yet.

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    The MTB854 has a BB30 bottom bracket, tapered headset (IS, not ZS) and post mount rear brake.

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    I recieved my LTK023 yesterday. A friend and I ordered one each. He got the BB30 version and I got the GXP version. Both UD, but mine with clear coat, and his with raw finish.

    The weight was 1348 gr. A bit over the claimed 1200 gr, but ok its pretty cheap anyway

    The finish looks nice overall. Im curious to see how the fitting will be with the brakehoses, it seems a bit tight. When trying to fit the gearcable through, it seemed like only to be the innercable that goes through the inside. I perhaps thought it would be the whole cable.

    I am building it with the following:

    Lefty XLR
    Crest rims on 240 hubs
    XX/X0 gear
    Marta SL brakes

    Hope to be in the 9.5 kg range complete...

    View pictures of the frame here.

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    nice going to be a cool build, raw ud looks pimp
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    A quick question. I want to install my Magura Marta SL (red ones, 2009/2010).

    Do I need spare parts to refit the caliber, once I have removed it to fit the brakehose through the frame?


    Thanks

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    you will need the compression olives to put back on once you cut the cable
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    yeah its those little things that catch you out, its handy to work in a shop sometimes, i just found some in a draw that got me out of trouble... you shouldnt have any drama getting the hose in, went in easy as on mine
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    Thanks for the info... Crap, I thought I had it all.

    Well now I need to find those too... Bah

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    Since you work in a shop, do you know if its possible to use other olives?

    My LBS doesnt have any Magura spare parts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbitized View Post
    Since you work in a shop, do you know if its possible to use other olives?

    My LBS doesnt have any Magura spare parts
    It's really hard to tell from the blurry pic of that magura tech doc but they look the same as the sram ones.

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    Problem solved, found the olives some where else Thanks anyway

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    I just discovered beer components shortly after posting. I think that is the way to go for single speed. I'm getting stoked.
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    I dont know much about BB's. I have a Truvativ gxp stylo crankset I would like to use. Should I go with BSA BB or get BB30 and go with an adapter?

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    im waiting for my beer bb to come, fingers crossed this week, ill post up some photos and a small review for the guys looking into this option...
    I think i used hayes olives on my shimano brakes no leaks so far
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    Quote Originally Posted by kibsen View Post
    Anyone made business with Lianyungang Yingyan New Material Co.,Ltd ?
    They have a bb92 29er frame with dimensions similar to many highend frames

    http://yybike.en.alibaba.com/product...mtb_frame.html
    If it was me I'd stick with one of the well known vendors. Also don't like how they only have a rendering and not a pic of an actual frame.

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    Anyone made business with Lianyungang Yingyan New Material Co.,Ltd ?
    They have a bb92 29er frame with dimensions similar to many highend frames

    http://yybike.en.alibaba.com/product...mtb_frame.html

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    I was looking at those but the 5 frame minimum kills it for most people
    though im sure you could talk them into a "sample"
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkjellquist View Post
    I'm willing to bet more people in China are living the dream and moving from lower to middle class than in the US.
    Nope! The rich are still getting richer and the poor...well they are doing better then us since they aren't getting poorer...just staying poor.

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    I'm about to pull the trigger soon with Denfu or LT, depending which one gives the better price.

    I'll be ordering one with internal routing and it'd be my first frame with internal routing. How difficult is it to fish the hydraulic line or shifter cable thru? Any tips?

    Also, I have a Reba with a straight 1 1/8 steer tube and have already purchased the Niner reducer. Does anyone know if this will cause any problems down the line?

    Anyone who's in the So Cal area who wants to do a group buy let me know. Dengfu is a few bucks cheaper than LT from the quotes I've received so far.

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    The internal routing on the ltbike is fully enclosed the whole way, just push it through u cant go wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    The internal routing on the ltbike is fully enclosed the whole way, just push it through u cant go wrong
    hows the flat black finish in the LT bike? any blemishes or imperfections?

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    I have a link further up in this page, showing pictures of the LT frame.

    Im very happy with it, finish seems nice.

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    Interesting to see that these frames are now popping up on ebay. The easy payment system there makes these kinda tempting...
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    I'm a little confused by all the different options here.

    Do the Hong Fu 29er frames come with internal cable routing? Also, do I need to specify a BB-30 or do they automatically come with it?

    I've never built up a bike before but this sounds like a fun learning experience. Anyone have any good links for picking out components etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    hows the flat black finish in the LT bike? any blemishes or imperfections?
    My LTK023 has some optical blemishes, and the black is "blacker" around the junctions because of the additional resin. But somehow, I can't seem to see any of it, because it's covered in dirt through the amount of usage

    I really couldn't care less about those things... but you just might...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helios Racing View Post
    I'm looking into a chinese frame but I was wondering if anyone knew if there was one that can do SS or geared? This will be my main bike and race bike for the time being but I get the notion that I'll want to test the SS waters in the future and it would be nice to have a frame that can do that.
    I have a MTB854, and I'm running single speed. All you need is either an eccentric Bottom Bracket like the one Team Beer makes, or if you're cheaper (like me) you can go with a tensioner like a Surly Singleator. Good Luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one View Post
    My LTK023 has some optical blemishes, and the black is "blacker" around the junctions because of the additional resin. But somehow, I can't seem to see any of it, because it's covered in dirt through the amount of usage

    I really couldn't care less about those things... but you just might...
    Can you post some pics?

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    Did anybody manage to find out which supplier the On-One 29er carbon frame comes from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one View Post
    My LTK023 has some optical blemishes, and the black is "blacker" around the junctions because of the additional resin.
    On some of the frames they paint the joint areas black to hide the joints. They they get the gloss or matte clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    I'm a little confused by all the different options here.

    Do the Hong Fu 29er frames come with internal cable routing? Also, do I need to specify a BB-30 or do they automatically come with it?

    I've never built up a bike before but this sounds like a fun learning experience. Anyone have any good links for picking out components etc?
    I'm in the same boat as you - looking forward to a new project. There are 29er build kits at Jensenusa.com and pricepoint. At the moment I am torn between one of those kits and buyimg a $1K BD bike and stripping for parts. The kits don't contain a fork which will add some expense going that route. vs the bd bike.
    Anyone with experience going down one of these routes like to chime in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    I'm a little confused by all the different options here.

    Do the Hong Fu 29er frames come with internal cable routing? Also, do I need to specify a BB-30 or do they automatically come with it?

    I've never built up a bike before but this sounds like a fun learning experience. Anyone have any good links for picking out components etc?
    The Hong Fu bike currently does not come with internal cable routing or a BB30. Just a standard English threaded BB and external cable routing. I am still waiting for my frame to come in. As soon as it does I will post some pics of the build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cz91rider View Post
    Did anybody manage to find out which supplier the On-One 29er carbon frame comes from?
    most likely axman

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    Does anyone know what size front mech the Gotobike MT854 takes (my frame is at the painters)?.

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    The geometry on this frame has a decent HT angle. What does everyone think? Can someone please shed some light on the best fork travel for these frames? 80-100mm? I would assume 4 inch would be about right. I am thinking of moving my Racer X 29er parts to an HT carbon frame. I don't want it to steer like a truck though, so I am concerned about the HT angle and the amount of fork travel to run.

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    emp? I have noticed on whizkids frame that the rear brake hose routing actually comes out under the bb before going back into the chain stays, pic is here I believe his is a Goto Bike MT 854. The hose routing on yours doesn't appear to be exposed under the bottom bracket. Can you confirm if it is run fully internally or does get exposed?

    Also, is this the same frame as yours?

    Thanks

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    oops double post
    Last edited by ghawk; 06-14-2011 at 03:31 AM.

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    under bottom bracket cable routing for a mountain bike , actually probably won't do too much damage except ripping off that carbon cable guide pretty quick. That's still not as bad as the lower zerks on the SC tallboys and carbon Blurs.

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    Frame just came in today. Really fast shipping from China. 1252 grams. Looks very, very nice for the price. I also got the handlebars and seatpost since they were pretty cheap. I am very impressed on how high the quality is. I will post some pics up soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intense01 View Post
    Frame just came in today. Really fast shipping from China. 1252 grams. Looks very, very nice for the price. I also got the handlebars and seatpost since they were pretty cheap. I am very impressed on how high the quality is. I will post some pics up soon.
    which frame did you get?

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    Hong Fu- 12k matte black finish.

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    Anyone know the weight difference between matte and gloss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intense01 View Post
    Hong Fu- 12k matte black finish.
    Please post pics when you get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Please post pics when you get it done.
    Sure will. Still have to wait 4-6 weeks for wheels... I will post pics of the build up as soon as I get some parts in. This thing is going to be pretty nice when it is done.

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    Pics of the frame please Intense01. Start a build thread so we can all follow it and live vicariously through the lives of others If you just do it here it'll get lost in this ever growing thread.

    Thanks

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    Has anyone been able to confirm that the LTK023 and the MTB854 are the same frame?

    I'm a little confused as to why GoToBike quoted me more than double what LTBikes is wanting to sell these for.

    I'm thinking out getting one of these frames and buying a Motobecane or Gravity bike from bd and stripping it for parts. Seems like the cheapest route to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    Has anyone been able to confirm that the LTK023 and the MTB854 are the same frame?

    I'm a little confused as to why GoToBike quoted me more than double what LTBikes is wanting to sell these for.

    I'm thinking out getting one of these frames and buying a Motobecane or Gravity bike from bd and stripping it for parts. Seems like the cheapest route to go.
    they are not the same. ltk has the same source as deng fu (very well seen on the road bike forum)

    gotobike has a curved seat tube and down tube and is lighter by ~200gr (1280 vs 1080 for a med). slightly different geo and sizes too.

    gotobike uses 45/45 fsa-campy headsets, ltk and deng fu use 36/45 cane creek standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    I just got an email from gotobike, they don't have a new version of the MTB753 with internal routing

    They will offer the same internal cable frame that everyone else has but apparently in different sizes, 17/19/21.

    It is called MTB854 and it's not on their site yet but they have some in stock already with BB30.

    for pricing you can email Cherry at [email protected]





    Here's the geometry from LT-Bike LTK023.

    It is the same as gotobike MTB854 but in 16/18/20.


    So it looks like if you want internal cable routing you're in luck, the frame sizes come in very small increments.

    Don't you love the free market?

    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    they are not the same. ltk has the same source as deng fu (very well seen on the road bike forum)

    gotobike has a curved seat tube and down tube and is lighter by ~200gr (1280 vs 1080 for a med). slightly different geo and sizes too.

    gotobike uses 45/45 fsa-campy headsets, ltk and deng fu use 36/45 cane creek standard.
    NEVERMIND...resolved below.
    I'm really confused...in your previous post you say that the MTB854 and LTK023 are the same (just different sizes available from each mfg).
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    I think he said the geometry was the same. But one thing I noticed is the clearance for a big rear tire is quite different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    they are not the same. ltk has the same source as deng fu (very well seen on the road bike forum)

    gotobike has a curved seat tube and down tube and is lighter by ~200gr (1280 vs 1080 for a med). slightly different geo and sizes too.

    gotobike uses 45/45 fsa-campy headsets, ltk and deng fu use 36/45 cane creek standard.
    Gotobike has metal inserts in the dropouts while the others do not.

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    The hong fu frame also has metal in the dropout partially covered in carbon. It is there though.

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    Question...I am thinking of getting the LTK023 which has a headtube length of 120mm.

    I was looking at purchasing a Gravity 29Point5 to be a parts bike (comes with most of the stuff I'd need, including a Reba RL 100mm fork), since it would be a lot cheaper than buying everything individually (total cost around $1100).

    The headtube length on the Gravity is is 103mm on the 19" frame. Will the fork be cut too short for the LTK023? The largest size they have available is a 21" frame, which has an 118mm headtube length. This frame size would be too large for me, and I was hoping to keep the Gravity frame as a backup.

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    Is there enough chainstay clearance on the LTK023 frame to run a BBG bashwich instead of the granny gear?

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    Yep the cable routing on mine goes under the bottom bracket but inside the frame so its all internal
    and that ebay one looks the same as far as i can tell anyways
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    Thanks emp?

    One last question, metal dropouts under a carbon / paint layer or not?

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    doesnt look like it but i have drilled it or anything
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    If there are then you'll know soon after your first couple of rides. With skewers on the top coat tends to chip / crack / flake off after a few good rides and or taking the wheel on and off the bike.

    That would be the only negative for me with this frame over any of the others. It looks so good though

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    This is what I wake up to every morning

    My chinese 29er

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbitized View Post
    This is what I wake up to every morning

    My chinese 29er

    https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink
    Which Lefty did you go with, to satisfy the 490mm axle-to-crown specified in the geometry? Max140?

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    I didnt notice the specified A to C in the geometry.

    But I went with the 90mm XLR, and it feels perfect. It feels more aggressive than I thought it would. But then again this is my first 29er. I thought 29er would be more dull in the stearing perhaps. But it isnt, and thats perfect for me, since I do a lot of racing.

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    Any feed back on internal cable routing and mud? I've been wondering how well the internal routing holds up to getting mud and grime and such inside. Has anyone come across any issues?
    "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helios Racing View Post
    Any feed back on internal cable routing and mud? I've been wondering how well the internal routing holds up to getting mud and grime and such inside. Has anyone come across any issues?
    just cover the frame/cable areas with some clear caulking. easy to remove and very water/mud proof. worked great on my cross bike.
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    I've been running nokon cables on my carbon viper for over 3 years without a problem. The inner lining goes all the way through and the cable is in that so I have a sealed system that water and mud don't seem to affect

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    Is this the adapter I need to run 1 1/8 steerer on the LTK023 frame?

    http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za....ID=8947&MODE=

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    For everyone with a LTK023 and straight 1 1/8 fork, I would recommend getting a Cane Creek IS 52/30 bottom assembly to replace the default one... they aren't very expensive, well sealed, and should you ever upgrade to a tapered fork, you can always reuse the original bottom headset assembly, or get a different canecreek baseplate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one View Post
    For everyone with a LTK023 and straight 1 1/8 fork, I would recommend getting a Cane Creek IS 52/30 bottom assembly to replace the default one... they aren't very expensive, well sealed, and should you ever upgrade to a tapered fork, you can always reuse the original bottom headset assembly, or get a different canecreek baseplate.
    This one?

    http://www.cycleclubsports.com/p-335...ess-black.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    That's the one! Fairly priced too, considering its predecessor (S3) is widely accepted as the most bang-for-the-buck headset of all time.

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    given the title of this thread is simply Chinese Carbon 29er I'm going to ask away. How long do you think it'll be before we start to see no name carbon duallies start to appear?

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    Yeah I got 4 at the $320 USD price figure I'd keep 2 and sell the other 2 making my 2 free practically. The exporter is very nice and living here in Miami, The port of Miami the stuff comes in by ship so shipping costs were half he said.

    Looking forward to building myself a nice carbon bike with quality components. Heck that frame looks liek a copy of not exact. Thats what the Chinese do anyways.

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    Ice Cold, who'd you buy from? That's a good price you got.

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    Just ordered my 29er frame from Hongfu this morning 6/14. I'm looking forward to getting it and building it up from pieces I will take off another bike and some that I will acquire over time. My first major addition will most likely be a wheelset. I'm looking at the Stan's Arch right now.
    If anyone has another suggestion, I would greatly appreciate the input. I ride XC and weigh 200+. My trails tend to be smooth to rooty to rocky (I live in Alabama).

    Can't believe how cheap this frame was. Thanks to all who contributed to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    Just ordered my 29er frame from Hongfu this morning 6/14. I'm looking forward to getting it and building it up from pieces I will take off another bike and some that I will acquire over time. My first major addition will most likely be a wheelset. I'm looking at the Stan's Arch right now.
    If anyone has another suggestion, I would greatly appreciate the input. I ride XC and weigh 200+. My trails tend to be smooth to rooty to rocky (I live in Alabama).

    Can't believe how cheap this frame was. Thanks to all who contributed to this thread.
    The HF-053 29er frame for $465?

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    That's he one-$465 plus $70 for shipping for a total of $535.

    I may have located a set of Stan's Arch wheelset for it, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by FOAM View Post
    The HF-053 29er frame for $465?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    That's he one-$465 plus $70 for shipping for a total of $535.

    I may have located a set of Stan's Arch wheelset for it, too.
    When you get the frame, please update us or PM me. I am interested in how your experience goes, how long it takes to get to you and the condition and overall quality of the frame. I might go this route in the future but curious as to how smoothly everything works out for you first.
    Life's journey is not 2 arrive @ the grave safe but rather 2 skid in sideways totally worn out shouting "Holy S what a ride!"

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    I could not decide on just getting the crown race adapter and adding a 110 bearing I have in stock or ordering the 40 or 110 IS52 adapter set.
    Wondering cause the myriad of standards now is quite confusing.

    This is for the HF053/GoTo53 (but not sure these guys use the same cup depth more on that below.)


    http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za....ID=8947&MODE=

    http://www.canecreek.com/component-h...topProduct=off
    Here is the 110
    http://www.canecreek.com/component-h...topProduct=off

    Sidebar, I notice that the headset bearings I got with the HF5329 are a tiny bit taller than my Cane Creek compatible bearings. (roughly 4mm verses 3.55mm measured with digi calipers)
    It seems the cups are a slightly deeper than I would have expected. Guys am I missing a standard somewhere for a difference in cup depth ? I know i can just add washers to get the clearance I need. Still....
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    Update: I posed the question whether to get just the race adapter or the conversion set to Pete at Cane Creek his response was the only thing that makes the 40 or 110 IS52 a conversion assembly is the crown race.

    I think just ordering the headset from the chinese is a safe bet as they are cheap then you have the bearings to match up with some higher quality ones of your choice. That way it was easy for me to tell the depth mismatch for the 110's I was about to stick in.
    Still a little confused but that is normal.
    (The language barrier is somewhat of a problem and the chinese told me the wrong thing when I ask about their headset standard when initially specing the frame.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh2TwHJkTY8
    switch to 1080p or 720 for decent picture quality. With the video you see how carbon would match up in some different shadows and light conditions and various angles.
    Weighed in alpine dig scale at -minus water bottle bolts Medium/17 = 2.53/1157 or 2.6 with bolts. (Note 3k weave, 12k weave is slightly thicker outer layer and adds about 5% (around 2.65). But a tiny bit stiffer.
    Another useful tip always be sure and just go ahead and order a spare hanger. Since if you go out there on the trail and taco the hanger, you usually can't just go out to bike store and get the correct one for these models unless you are in china. Also, before putting on the crank, make or order you a nice little steel chain suck protector for behind the chain rings on the carbon stays. A really bad chain suck even if it's no ones fault and the setup is perfect, could ruin a pretty good frame.
    http://store.ibiscycles.com/ibis-moj...ue-on-p35.aspx
    (just bend it to form and fits pretty well on these frames)
    Then add several wraps of helicopter tape for a chainstay guard better than the neoprene guards. I have allot more tips but it would make the post kinda large.
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    Anyone think I would run into issues running a FOX 32 TALAS 29 FIT RLC on the Hong-Fu HF053 frame?

    It has 120mm of travel, but can be switched to 95mm with the TALAS system. I found a killer deal on one last night and pulled the gun...but I can get a standard 100mm Float if this is going to risk damaging the frame or ruining the geometry/ride characteristics.

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    Hi, I believe the frames geometry is designed around running a fork with 80 - 100 mm travel. I guess running your TALAS at 120 would be at your own risk. But then again ordering any carbon frame from china is at your own risk anyways since warranty does not really exist in that most buyers probably wont bother to ship something back to China for warranty when the cost of shipping is nearly half of what the frame was bought for in the first place. Asides from that,

    The 120mm setting on the TALAS will ultimately put more stress on your headtube, whether or not the HongFu headtube can handle this stress, no one knows. Alot of factors come into play such as riders weight, how aggressive you ride all come into play so it is impossible to tell if or when the headtube will be gameover. Perhaps it never will. Your seat tube angle would be more slack aswell so more stress on the seat tube. I would just stick with max 100mm fork.

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    So how does the paint thing work with these companies? I've been going through this and the RBR bike threads, and while I'm seeing a few bikes that people have had painted in China, I haven't been able to find any descriptions of the process - does the internet contact person just send you a vector file to do you design on, and then you go from there, based on how involved your desgin is? Are there any other restrictions (besides copyrighted material, I assume) in what you can have them do, or is it dependent on the manufacturer?

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    I don't think there's any copyright issues, just taste issues.

    Ask them about it, but I think people were basically drawing things up in Photoshop from what it seemed and then the bike manufacturer had someone email back a photoshopped photo of what they'll do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    Anyone think I would run into issues running a FOX 32 TALAS 29 FIT RLC on the Hong-Fu HF053 frame?

    It has 120mm of travel, but can be switched to 95mm with the TALAS system. I found a killer deal on one last night and pulled the gun...but I can get a standard 100mm Float if this is going to risk damaging the frame or ruining the geometry/ride characteristics.

    Opinions?
    FunnyJR is right on about this.
    But how much do you weigh and what size frame ?
    I am a lightweight on a size medium and will be putting a multi stage fork on it. for descending at 120 climbing at 100, but my descents are rather dainty compared to allot of you guys. Otherwise.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    Anyone think I would run into issues running a FOX 32 TALAS 29 FIT RLC on the Hong-Fu HF053 frame?

    It has 120mm of travel, but can be switched to 95mm with the TALAS system. I found a killer deal on one last night and pulled the gun...but I can get a standard 100mm Float if this is going to risk damaging the frame or ruining the geometry/ride characteristics.

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    FunnyJR is right on about this.
    But how much do you weigh and what size frame ? Why would the ride characteristics be messed up if you can change them to within spec depending on what type of terrain you are on ?
    I am a lightweight on a size medium and will be putting a multi stage fork on it. for descending at 120 climbing at 100, but my descents are rather dainty compared to allot of you guys. Otherwise.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by glovemtb View Post
    FunnyJR is right on about this.
    But how much do you weigh and what size frame ? Why would the ride characteristics be messed up if you can change them to within spec depending on what type of terrain you are on ?
    I am a lightweight on a size medium and will be putting a multi stage fork on it. for descending at 120 climbing at 100, but my descents are rather dainty compared to allot of you guys. Otherwise.....

    It's going to be on a 19" frame. I'm probably 155lbs with all my gear on my back. My concern is the change in ride characteristics/loading conditions when the 120mm mode is engaged.

    I think I will experiment with both TALAS settings and if it has adverse effects in 120mm mode, I will ride strictly 95mm. I just hope the fork performance is consistent at both settings. I got an amazing deal on the TALAS fork, and to go to a 100mm regular float would cost me about 180 bucks, so I don't think the change would be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    It's going to be on a 19" frame. I'm probably 155lbs with all my gear on my back. My concern is the change in ride characteristics/loading conditions when the 120mm mode is engaged.

    I think I will experiment with both TALAS settings and if it has adverse effects in 120mm mode, I will ride strictly 95mm. I just hope the fork performance is consistent at both settings. I got an amazing deal on the TALAS fork, and to go to a 100mm regular float would cost me about 180 bucks, so I don't think the change would be worth it.
    I've also found some 120mm cheaper than just the straight 100mm. If you don't engage the 120 at all then your basically just running a 100mm and it shouldn't have any adverse effect on the bike, what I be correct in thinking that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    It's going to be on a 19" frame. I'm probably 155lbs with all my gear on my back. My concern is the change in ride characteristics/loading conditions when the 120mm mode is engaged.

    I think I will experiment with both TALAS settings and if it has adverse effects in 120mm mode, I will ride strictly 95mm. I just hope the fork performance is consistent at both settings. I got an amazing deal on the TALAS fork, and to go to a 100mm regular float would cost me about 180 bucks, so I don't think the change would be worth it.
    155 lbs on a 19 ? Naw, man you are good to go then. You won't do anything wrong if you try it at 120mm on the long downhills and just leave short the rest of the time or depending on conditions or courses run 120mm and slacken the 71.5 head angle and raise the bb/pedal clearance for some courses.
    I am pretty finicky about handling of my bikes (I am running an angleset on my Tallboy to get the exact head angle I was looking for), I run 2 and 3 stage forks all the time so I can adjust for conditions and never notice any big scary discrepancy in handling.

    As long as you have the clearance (a tire hitting the down tube is a catastrophic event. I would let the air out of fork and check tire clearance at both settings. (I don't mean to suggest that a longer setting will do that it, I just always check that cause of all the wild setups I run. tip: if you run a multi-angle headset, it would be something to check on the steeper setting. )
    It's the leverage rates for the longer fork more than anything.

    If you take a look at my guided tour video of the frame (see my previous pathetic rambling post) you can see that the downtube is fairly beefy down tube on that frame.
    Your fork is tapered right ? I mean why would you buy a brand new straight 1&8th for a tapered head tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glovemtb View Post
    155 lbs on a 19 ? Naw, man you are good to go then. You won't do anything wrong if you try it at 120mm on the long downhills and just leave short the rest of the time or depending on conditions or courses run 120mm and slacken the 71.5 head angle and raise the bb/pedal clearance for some courses.
    I am pretty finicky about handling of my bikes (I am running an angleset on my Tallboy to get the exact head angle I was looking for), I run 2 and 3 stage forks all the time so I can adjust for conditions and never notice any big scary discrepancy in handling.

    As long as you have the clearance (a tire hitting the down tube is a catastrophic event. I would let the air out of fork and check tire clearance at both settings. (I don't mean to suggest that a longer setting will do that it, I just always check that cause of all the wild setups I run. tip: if you run a multi-angle headset, it would be something to check on the steeper setting. )
    It's the leverage rates for the longer fork more than anything.

    If you take a look at my guided tour video of the frame (see my previous pathetic rambling post) you can see that the downtube is fairly beefy down tube on that frame.
    Your fork is tapered right ? I mean why would you buy a brand new straight 1&8th for a tapered head tube.
    The fork is tapered with a 15qr thru axle. I can't wait to get all my stuff here so I can start building. It looks like I'll have all my stuff before the frame arrives. My wallet hates me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intense01 View Post
    I ordered a matte carbon 12k finish frame from Jenny at Hong Fu on May 13th. She keeps delaying the ship date. Anyone else ever experience this with them? She said I would have it by the end of May and now she says it won't ship until the 6th. IT isn't a huge deal but I don't want my Paypal refund window to close if I don't get what I ordered.

    Anyone who has ordered from Jenny please chime in. Thank you.
    Intense01 - Have you received word on your frame order yet?
    Mine supposedly shipped but appears to have not left Chania yet after a week!
    Getting a little impatient
    Curious how you are doing with your order

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    The fork is tapered with a 15qr thru axle. I can't wait to get all my stuff here so I can start building. It looks like I'll have all my stuff before the frame arrives. My wallet hates me.
    Very cool. Sooner or later I will get a tapered when I order a new one.

    My frame was 7 days from shipper to the south east usa.

    Update on build:
    They do pretty damn good craftsmanship. Every bit as nice as the big boys carbon frames I have had (over 25 years quite a few ). Alignment looks good, cable guides & stops all perfect, threads don't need taping, headset cups perfect (see my previous post on cup depth), nice touch of a water drain hole at the bottom of the frame (even though once you build and add fork it is not far enough down for my liking). Brake post mount tab alignment good. (brake pm threads look good probably be good to watch your torque on those as usual but maybe more so.)
    Only thing I have had to do was align the hanger. (fairly stout hanger btw.)
    3k wraps show some very slight layup angle imperfections but the absolutely perfect matte paint job hides it well.
    I guess if I had one wish it would be for a bit thicker seat stays even though they are the thickest of the current batch of 29er clones. (I am not looking for the flex stays like one of the models of the dengfu and others build in to the mountain bikes as I have a FS bike already.) IMHO I have never liked flex stays, or break away stays....
    Only other complaint is they sent me 3k by accident and I guess they thought was okay because that is their lightest weave and really an upgrade. Actually I wanted the 12k for "maybe" a little burlier outer layer.
    That is the only rub with the "Chinese Connection", is if they don't get the order correct......with the shipping distance it is a wait for the corrections. So you face the same problem if you have an issue like a carbon crack or something. (another good reason to watch those ultra-thin flex-seat stays on some models)
    (Many times Trek had a new bike in the mail to me while my frame with the issue had just gotten to the dealer. Once I only lost 2 days ride time.)

    But HungFu does some quality work and delivers an awesome deal for the price.
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    A friend and I ordered frames and accessories from Dengfu. Tony threw in 2 free hangers ($4 value haha).

    Paypaled on 6/15, items shipped 6/18. EMS to CA should take a few days. Will update once everything comes in.
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    Shouldn't the Paypay charge @ .37% be only $4.18?

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    I thought it was 3.7%. Maybe its a typo?

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    Wow got my 4 frames in amazing at $320 each 2 matte black and 2 gloss painted 26" frames gonna be a nice fun build so amzingly light these look to be OCLV, not a defect on them if you told me these were Scott frames or Canondale carbon I would believe you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lachstar2 View Post
    I thought it was 3.7%. Maybe its a typo?
    That would be $41.81.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice Cold View Post
    Wow got my 4 frames in amazing at $320 each 2 matte black and 2 gloss painted 26" frames gonna be a nice fun build so amzingly light these look to be OCLV, not a defect on them if you told me these were Scott frames or Canondale carbon I would believe you.
    Yes you did and we're still waiting for you to answer rubberhoe's question in post #695, where did you get them from?

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    Oh well, I might as well be the first to break the frame.

    I did a two day race this weekend. And I think I hit a rock or something, a lot of running because of muddy conditions. The seat stay broke about 3/4 around in a circle on the first day. I put my tirelevers on the top- and downside of the stay, and then duct taped the hell out of it. In was fine on the second race day.

    I will post pictures later today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311 View Post
    Buy from China... CRUSH THE AMERICAN DREAM



    RIP democracy, some dudes are buying things from other countries.

    Not to take this thread off topic but that is a ridiculously oversimplified take on a very complicated topic. The American dream has been crushed more by tax cuts that benefit the ultra rich and increase globalization without benefiting the average American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbitized View Post
    Oh well, I might as well be the first to break the frame.

    I did a two day race this weekend. And I think I hit a rock or something, a lot of running because of muddy conditions. The seat stay broke about 3/4 around in a circle on the first day. I put my tirelevers on the top- and downside of the stay, and then duct taped the hell out of it. In was fine on the second race day.

    I will post pictures later today
    How long have you had the frame and who did you buy it from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    That would be $41.81.
    I know, just remember when I brought a 26" frame from dengfu it was 3.7%. Not sure why it's different.

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    Hi!

    Is there any chinese FS 29er frames available?

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    White mat carbon frame

    Has anyone ordered white mat carbon frame from Hong Fu or from Goto Bike?
    Hong Fu offers it, but they don´t have pictures.
    "Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride"

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    Ordered a 29" frame from yybikes in UD finish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbitized View Post
    Oh well, I might as well be the first to break the frame.

    I did a two day race this weekend. And I think I hit a rock or something, a lot of running because of muddy conditions. The seat stay broke about 3/4 around in a circle on the first day. I put my tirelevers on the top- and downside of the stay, and then duct taped the hell out of it. In was fine on the second race day.

    I will post pictures later today

    Sorry to hear that your frame gave out but I thought those seat stays looked a bit thin when I first saw pics of your frame. Did it take much to snap the seat stay? do you remember exactly at what point the seat stay gave out? like were you taking a drop or something? what china dealer did the frame come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kibsen View Post
    Ordered a 29" frame from yybikes in UD finish
    Was it white and matte? Could You post pictures please?
    "Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbitized View Post
    Oh well, I might as well be the first to break the frame.

    I did a two day race this weekend. And I think I hit a rock or something, a lot of running because of muddy conditions. The seat stay broke about 3/4 around in a circle on the first day. I put my tirelevers on the top- and downside of the stay, and then duct taped the hell out of it. In was fine on the second race day.

    I will post pictures later today
    That is a bummer... any reason you can think of why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyjr View Post
    Sorry to hear that your frame gave out but I thought those seat stays looked a bit thin when I first saw pics of your frame. Did it take much to snap the seat stay? do you remember exactly at what point the seat stay gave out? like were you taking a drop or something? what china dealer did the frame come from?
    Reading back through the thread it looks like he had an LTK023 from LT Bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    Reading back through the thread it looks like he had an LTK023 from LT Bikes.
    Hmm that's the one I'm thinking of getting...The LTK023 from LT Bikes.

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    The seat stays on the internal routing frames look a lot thinner than the non internal routing frames.

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    Here is a post with some pics of the differences.
    I won't tangent on flex stays anymore.
    Just to say I know the big big kahuna's like Scott & Canny probably spend allot of R&D time figuring out the fatigue cycles their designed "suspension" stays can go thru....
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?...1&postcount=53

    Quote Originally Posted by ghawk View Post
    It certainly looks quite different. Also, gotobikes now is offering internal cable routing and bb30.

    Be careful if you are not looking for 29er "flex stays" that is designed into many companies models for instance. http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...-review-26798/
    (any similarity in the seat stays on the scott and the frames at bottom left ?


    I personally am looking for a hardtail that minimizing flex for my application. ynmv

    I am not sure that the distinction has really been made clear in some of the chinese/taiwan/etc frames that are now showing up.
    The picture of course could be deceiving so imho and just guessing.

    see on the left vs on the far right.
    Remember this is all speculation as the chinese clone makers have not cleary stated in ads for their frames those stays are designed to flex.
    Flex stays are nothing new, they have been around for many years Trek (the old TopFuel suspension), Canny (many models) etc.
    http://mtbnnetwork.blogspot.com/2007...rbon-flex.html
    Now the bikes in the above links are a VERY different kinda flex (chain stays flex the most in those bikes) than the little bit of flex designed into allot of the 29ers out now.
    I will say though, I would imagine just making a thin seat stay by copying a design may not be the best way to "design" a little flexion in. imho.


    Also, you are gonna have stays break no matter what. Sometimes there are just failures. Just ask anyone who has ever ridden a jet9...okay, now that was uncalled for.
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    if anyone will break one it will be me lol Im sure if its going to break it will be the first ride as im a Clyde
    Im 1 step closer as my homebrew chainrings came today... so hot
    just need the Beer BB to turn up now
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    Just want to inform everyone NOT TO BUY FROM DENGFU!!!

    This guy is bullshittting saying he never got the payment...

    i suggest you report this news to police.
    also can you send me news who send your the tracking number?
    i never send your tracking number.
    because i have not receive your payment so i have not shipping those frame.

    can you have my email address?
    i think this is cogged website.
    i am really have not send you email.
    just i check all email again.

    A PayPal disputes been opened and the payment was made with an Amex via PayPal.

    Anyone know what else to do to get the money back faster?

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    Probably placing an order with DengFu tonight. I previously ordered my road bike from them (and received it under a week). I dealt with Mina but my paypal was to Tony.

    Who were you dealing with and where did yous end your paypal payment?

    Are you cutting/pasting what they said to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberhoe View Post
    Just want to inform everyone NOT TO BUY FROM DENGFU!!!

    This guy is bullshittting saying he never got the payment...

    i suggest you report this news to police.
    also can you send me news who send your the tracking number?
    i never send your tracking number.
    because i have not receive your payment so i have not shipping those frame.

    can you have my email address?
    i think this is cogged website.
    i am really have not send you email.
    just i check all email again.

    A PayPal disputes been opened and the payment was made with an Amex via PayPal.

    Anyone know what else to do to get the money back faster?

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    @steve

    Dealt with Tony the whole way. Yes it is copy paste of his email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberhoe View Post
    Just want to inform everyone NOT TO BUY FROM DENGFU!!!

    This guy is bullshittting saying he never got the payment...

    i suggest you report this news to police.
    also can you send me news who send your the tracking number?
    i never send your tracking number.
    because i have not receive your payment so i have not shipping those frame.

    can you have my email address?
    i think this is cogged website.
    i am really have not send you email.
    just i check all email again.

    A PayPal disputes been opened and the payment was made with an Amex via PayPal.

    Anyone know what else to do to get the money back faster?
    also open a dispute with AMEX immediately!!!

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    Has anyone decided on a seatpost for their HF053 from Hong Fu?

    Based on the drawings I got, it appears to accept a 34.9mm post. Does anyone know of something decent (preferably carbon) that won't break the bank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    Has anyone decided on a seatpost for their HF053 from Hong Fu?

    Based on the drawings I got, it appears to accept a 34.9mm post. Does anyone know of something decent (preferably carbon) that won't break the bank?
    Hong-Fu frames take a 31.6 seat post. It's on their drawings, clearly marked on the seat post tube.

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    @Satanpez, got your PM but I can't reply since I dont have more than 15 posts. PM me your email addy.

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    Just received my frame from Hong-fu. I ordered this on Tues June 14 and rec'd it on Tues June 21. I got a matte black 19 and it looks good. The cable guides are a little wacky in that they are somewhat on the lower sides of the top tube and are fairly large. I can deal with it-I just haven't seen this before (or at least I've never noticed this particular positioning).

    The packing was very good and I was surprised at how light the box was when it was delivered.

    Build will start soon.
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    Call AMEX. Things will go much faster for you...


    Quote Originally Posted by rubberhoe View Post
    Just want to inform everyone NOT TO BUY FROM DENGFU!!!

    This guy is bullshittting saying he never got the payment...

    i suggest you report this news to police.
    also can you send me news who send your the tracking number?
    i never send your tracking number.
    because i have not receive your payment so i have not shipping those frame.

    can you have my email address?
    i think this is cogged website.
    i am really have not send you email.
    just i check all email again.

    A PayPal disputes been opened and the payment was made with an Amex via PayPal.

    Anyone know what else to do to get the money back faster?

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    PayPal just refunded the money. They said the seller agreed to a refund. Which is weird since Dengfu said they had no record of receiving payment.

    I'll be placing an order with Hongfu soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    Has anyone decided on a seatpost for their HF053 from Hong Fu?

    Based on the drawings I got, it appears to accept a 34.9mm post. Does anyone know of something decent (preferably carbon) that won't break the bank?
    The clamp should be 34.9mm.

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    Hi,
    Could you please link me to the frame you purchased?
    I"m 6' tall / 210 lbs ... guess the 19" is about my size, huh?

    this will be my first 29er.


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    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    Just received my frame from Hong-fu. I ordered this on Tues June 14 and rec'd it on Tues June 21. I got a matte black 19 and it looks good. The cable guides are a little wacky in that they are somewhat on the lower sides of the top tube and are fairly large. I can deal with it-I just haven't seen this before (or at least I've never noticed this particular positioning).

    The packing was very good and I was surprised at how light the box was when it was delivered.

    Build will start soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nath8 View Post
    Hong-Fu frames take a 31.6 seat post. It's on their drawings, clearly marked on the seat post tube.
    My bad...guess I was looking at the seatpost clamp dimension.

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    Yo Dengfu hooked me up, $320 4 26" carbon frames took them to LBS, compared them to some Carbon Scott and Carbon Cannondale frames they are just as good OCLV 2 matte and 2 gloss black painted, of course I was carefull and fully expected to get ripped off I took safety precautions. But I did not shipping was great.

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    I can't post links due to my post count, but just google it...."hongfu bikes" should be enough to get you there

    I'm a little taller and about the same weight. 19 should be a good fit.


    Quote Originally Posted by client_9 View Post
    Hi,
    Could you please link me to the frame you purchased?
    I"m 6' tall / 210 lbs ... guess the 19" is about my size, huh?

    this will be my first 29er.


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    Hi!

    I have two questions!

    1) Have you guys figured out where all those chinese copys originally came from, someone guessed specialized, is that correct?

    2) Is there any cheap FS 29er frames available from china yet? Or have you any guess then it might show up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    Just received my frame from Hong-fu. I ordered this on Tues June 14 and rec'd it on Tues June 21. I got a matte black 19 and it looks good. The cable guides are a little wacky in that they are somewhat on the lower sides of the top tube and are fairly large. I can deal with it-I just haven't seen this before (or at least I've never noticed this particular positioning).

    The packing was very good and I was surprised at how light the box was when it was delivered.

    Build will start soon.
    I was surprised the were not run along the top.
    My cables kinda hit the bottom of the head tube (no catching but they are a bit low.)
    The good news is in an emergency dismount straddling the toptube you don't rack yourself up on cable guides. (Had several bikes before with top runs with that issue in the past.)
    Also, if you run a waterbottle cage on the seat tube a taller bottle is hard to get out. I used a Profile Stryke Kage cause they are cheap, light and you can pull the bottle easily out at an extreme angle as the clamp gives easily pulling sideways. (Usually use alum cages so I can push tighten them down tight on the bottles to prevent water bottle grenades.)

    glove wrote:
    Also, you are gonna have stays break no matter what. Sometimes there are just failures. Just ask anyone who has ever ridden a jet9...okay, now that was uncalled for.
    http://singletrack.competitor.com/20...9-carbon_17523
    Now it comes in carbon !

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    Wait a second this isnt a 29er! :0) my bike i thought id share any way. i bought a 26 from go to bike mentioned on here since i have all parts already and didnt want to invest in 29" stuff untill i was sure the frame was solid. and let me tell you this frame is solid! im definitely going 29 when the time comes. But for now the 26" rocks!

    <a href="https://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/?action=view&amp;current=IMG_0039.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/IMG_0039.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    p.s. i know its not a specialized it just looked naked without any stickers

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    Yeah looks identical to my 26"

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    Quote Originally Posted by menusk View Post
    Wait a second this isnt a 29er! :0) my bike i thought id share any way. i bought a 26 from go to bike mentioned on here since i have all parts already and didnt want to invest in 29" stuff untill i was sure the frame was solid. and let me tell you this frame is solid! im definitely going 29 when the time comes. But for now the 26" rocks!

    <a href="https://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/?action=view&amp;current=IMG_0039.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/IMG_0039.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    p.s. i know its not a specialized it just looked naked without any stickers
    I just bought almost the identical frame - I tiny bit different looking but has that "swoop" on the downtube. Just bought a Reba with U-Turn for mine - what Rockshox do you have on yours? What is your opinion so far on riding the bike on some really rough terrain? Not droppers or anything just really rocky and just destroys your body (and bike) type of terrain.

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    haha looks better than a Specialized IMO!

    Sorry to hijack the thread a little bit, but any of you guys have the 26" frame from hong fu?? Model # HF-FM016...If so, can you PM the details or a pic? Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by menusk View Post
    Wait a second this isnt a 29er! :0) my bike i thought id share any way. i bought a 26 from go to bike mentioned on here since i have all parts already and didnt want to invest in 29" stuff untill i was sure the frame was solid. and let me tell you this frame is solid! im definitely going 29 when the time comes. But for now the 26" rocks!

    <a href="https://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/?action=view&amp;current=IMG_0039.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/IMG_0039.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    p.s. i know its not a specialized it just looked naked without any stickers



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    Quote Originally Posted by menusk View Post
    Wait a second this isnt a 29er! :0) my bike i thought id share any way. i bought a 26 from go to bike mentioned on here since i have all parts already and didnt want to invest in 29" stuff untill i was sure the frame was solid. and let me tell you this frame is solid! im definitely going 29 when the time comes. But for now the 26" rocks!



    p.s. i know its not a specialized it just looked naked without any stickers

    Specialized's attorneys will be calling you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qdawgg View Post
    I just bought almost the identical frame - I tiny bit different looking but has that "swoop" on the downtube. Just bought a Reba with U-Turn for mine - what Rockshox do you have on yours? What is your opinion so far on riding the bike on some really rough terrain? Not droppers or anything just really rocky and just destroys your body (and bike) type of terrain.
    its a rockshox sid race and yea its still a hardtail even though its carbon it still makes my butt bone hurt. but definitely more forgiving then my aluminum bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by roadie scum View Post





    Kids /\ This is the very definition of Poseur.............
    ahhaha i will poseur away. geesh no sense of humor, kind of ironic since were buying bootleg designs from china for hundreds of dollars but the ten dollar stickers that are obviously fake in person threw you over the edge haha i admitted it wasnt specialized in my first post. if it makes you feel better i own a real yeti and a santa cruz.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Specialized's attorneys will be calling you.
    haha if they do i will give the forum a play by play of the call for entertainment purposes i promise as that would be really interesting.

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    Hi,
    I found another 29er frame, which probably hasn´t been mentioned in this thread (but maybe I just didn´t notice). The manufacturer is Xiamen Carbonal.
    The frame looks similar to LTK023, but there are many differences (hooked down tube, external rear brake cable guides, but internal routing for both derailleurs). And they also have the 26" frame, which is the same, only the down tube is straight.
    What is your opinion about it?
    Does anyone have it or did anyone e-mailed them for pricing, geometry etc.?

    I cannot post links due to post count, but you can easily google it..."xiamen carbonal"

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    For those who've dealt with Hong Fu, do you remember what their PayPal address was?

    I don't feel like getting scammed again. Jenny also just said "I do not know if that's my mailbox have problem. so I send email to you via this mailbox." and replied with a different email address.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberhoe View Post
    For those who've dealt with Hong Fu, do you remember what their PayPal address was?

    I don't feel like getting scammed again. Jenny also just said "I do not know if that's my mailbox have problem. so I send email to you via this mailbox." and replied with a different email address.
    The email I dealt with was: [email protected]

    Paypal address was: [email protected]

    My frame hasn't shipped yet, but I think I talked to the correct Jenny...

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    The email I was dealing with was [email protected] until she replied this "I do not know if that's my mailbox have problem. so I send email to you via this mailbox." from a different email address, [email protected]

    But the PayPal address is the same as above, [email protected].

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    I just took my new Hongfu frame to a bike tech who was impressed with the quality immediately. My intention was to transfer parts from my current ride to this new frame. The tech calls me and tells me that my Reba SL will not fit and that I will need a new fork.

    Has anyone put a Reba on their Hongfu yet? What did ou have to do to get it to fit?

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    The Hongfu has a tapered head. Is your Reba straight 1 1/8? I've read in the threads you can buy a reducer. That's what I've done now I'm just waiting for the frame.

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    Where did you get your reducer?

    Quote Originally Posted by rubberhoe View Post
    The Hongfu has a tapered head. Is your Reba straight 1 1/8? I've read in the threads you can buy a reducer. That's what I've done now I'm just waiting for the frame.

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    Does anyone know who Niner is using to build their carbon Air 9 frame? I’m looking for a frame that looks like a Trek Superfly or an Air 9.

    I want a frame w/ a tapering head tube, BB30 BB, and a matt carbon finish.
    www.29er918.blogspot.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    Where did you get your reducer?
    you can buy a reducer headset directly from Cane Creek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9-18 Fast View Post
    Does anyone know who Niner is using to build their carbon Air 9 frame? I’m looking for a frame that looks like a Trek Superfly or an Air 9.

    I want a frame w/ a tapering head tube, BB30 BB, and a matt carbon finish.
    That's funny! That's called a trade secret. I guarantee not more then a couple people, even in the Niner company know the answer to that question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    I ordered one of the hong fu frames. Got in one week.

    It looks great except for one thing. By the bottom bracket on the left side are two nasty surface scratches, both of which terminate at the bottom bracket. I was very careful with the packing material to be sure I didn't scratch it when I unpacked it.

    I am now wondering if this will potentially weaken it given the stresses that go through a bottom bracket. Very disappointing. Anyone with knowledge of carbon fiber have any thoughts on this?
    I assume you JUST got it ?
    Looks like surface scratch only. Regardless I would contact Jenny immediately and make them send you a new frame right away with a shipping label to send that one back. Don't let them screw around with you. Send email and if not returned send another within a day.
    When I had a problem all of the sudden they were not quite as responsive as before so I raised heck and then got the response I needed.
    Let us know how it goes. It's when there are problems that the real stories are told.
    Any consolation I have been very happy with this frame. Good luck.

    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    I just took my new Hongfu frame to a bike tech who was impressed with the quality immediately. My intention was to transfer parts from my current ride to this new frame. The tech calls me and tells me that my Reba SL will not fit and that I will need a new fork.

    Has anyone put a Reba on their Hongfu yet? What did ou have to do to get it to fit?
    Read this thread history a couple of pages for info you need.
    I had a Reba SL 29 U-turn in stock so I just checked it. It looked okay to me. (I looked at knob clearance etc.)
    Maybe he is just talking about the tapered head tube. If you have their headset, just use the 110 crown race reducer from cane creek mentioned previously in this thread. It was 10 dollars.
    Or also mentioned previously just order the 15 dollar headset from them for the perfect bearing height and with the crown race reducer you are done at around 25 bucks. If you have no idea what I am talking about just let the bike shop do it with a reducer headset or better yet to get the most performance out of this great bike deal get them to make you a deal on a tapered Reba.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=700
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrphy View Post
    you all might like this...
    Some Swiss company is selling what looks like the same bikes

    zaboobikes.com/beta/terra29_frame.html[/url]
    Been following this Carbon 29er link for some time. I'm going to jump in after I get my Motobecane Fantom 29Pro SL and part it out to this frame. I googled "Terra29" and came back with these photos. This frame and that bike are one and the same! Here's the photo on twentynineinches.com:

    twentynineinches.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/terra29_models.JPG[/url]

    Also, I wanted to say if it hasn't already been mentioned that this frame looks to me to be mostly copied from the 2010 Fisher Superfly. Here's a photo:

    fisherbikes.com/bike/model/superfly-ss-frameset[/url]

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    Yeah whats happened here is that more than likely some Chinese thugs, got hold of some Specialized, and Gary Fisher and like one other company maybe Scott Carbon Fiber Molds in 26" and 29 " sizes and well thats the hardest part to get is the CNC machined steel or Titanium Molds. Laying OCLV carbon inside and getting yoru Hands on all Types of Carbon fiber rolls is inesxpensive and easy to obtain.

    My 4 26" frames of teh 4 that I purchased for $320 each when compared side by side to Scott and Cannondale frames appear idential as far as visual quality and sturdyness no Wibble or flex what so ever.

    Will need to post side by side pics. Entire hardtail 26" frame weighs a couple lbs. amazing. Of course adding front forks and componenets but for $320 heck I've already turned down $600 for just 1 frame.

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    Exactly what I am doing.

    [QUOTE=Odiggy;8177596]Been following this Carbon 29er link for some time. I'm going to jump in after I get my Motobecane Fantom 29Pro SL and part it out to this frame. I googled "Terra29" and came back with these photos. This frame and that bike are one and the same!

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    Jenny was extremely communicative to me. My frame came with no scratches, though. Hopefully, yours will be a minor issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    I have seen a lot of people on here that are happy with these frames (well, not a lot, a few). I too believe it is a surface scratch and if it were anywhere else I wouldn't be so concerned. But I did JUST receive it yesterday, and have already sent an email to Jenny. She has been great so far. She asked for photographs which I sent (same ones here). So we'll see how they deal with this. I asked for either a refund or a replacement frame, plus a shipping label to return it. I haven't yet gotten a response, so I will keep you posted!

    A little disappointed, and have lots of friends who were interested in this "project" of mine, who are saying 'I told you so'. I'm going to take it to my favorite bike shop and get their input on it, too.

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    Looks like scratches in top coat only. Last carbon layer is generally only sacrificial, mostly cosmetic layer as well. Unlike alloy, scratches in carbon do not propagate to cracks and each layer is independent of each other anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    Thanks, that is pretty much what my LBS said also. So, I think that maybe it will be okay. Still, even a $500 frame should not have obvious cosmetic damage.

    I have a bad feeling about HongFu's response. The normally very communicative Jenny has gone silent. Oh well. Too bad. I was thinking of buying some more and re-selling them, but if they are going to blow me off at bike one, then I have to nix that idea, at least with this supplier.
    If you used PayPal start a dispute. A brand new product should not arrive with obvious defects.

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    Take some toothpaste or rubbing compound and some 2000 grit sandpaper and just polish that out. Those are minor scratches. Sucks cuz it is new, but in the end, it is hardly anything to be bent over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho View Post
    Take some toothpaste or rubbing compound and some 2000 grit sandpaper and just polish that out. Those are minor scratches. Sucks cuz it is new, but in the end, it is hardly anything to be bent over.


    /\ This, shouldn't take too much effort to buff those out.

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    As has been suggested if it's just in the clear coat don't bother sending it back just go to your local automotive store and pick up a scratch removal kit. Cheap and will make it perfect. Much simpler and less stressful than trying to get the whole frame replaced. Of course if you ride like me it will be scratched again in a week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho View Post
    Take some toothpaste or rubbing compound and some 2000 grit sandpaper and just polish that out. Those are minor scratches. Sucks cuz it is new, but in the end, it is hardly anything to be bent over.
    Yep, use the 2000 grit and use it wet. It's going to leave a matte finish. Then follow up with some Meguires #80 speed glaze to get the shine back. In fact you can hit the whole frame with #80 to give it a good shine.

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    This is the frame from Hong-fu. Matte finish.

    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
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    If anyone is ordering the 29er frame from Hong-fu, you might want to add the headset from their site as well. I did not and had to order it separately. Cost was $15 for the headset, but $38 was the shipping cost. Maybe some of you can benefit from my mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    If anyone is ordering the 29er frame from Hong-fu, you might want to add the headset from their site as well. I did not and had to order it separately. Cost was $15 for the headset, but $38 was the shipping cost. Maybe some of you can benefit from my mistake.
    Doesn't anyone else make one. The headset that came with my carbon 26er was a heavy pile. So, I bought a Cane Creek.

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    What was heavy about it? Was it a typical cup style headset?

    It seems most of the carbon bikes use integrated headsets, I can't see how they would be "heavy".

    I bought two headsets at $14 each. One for the bike, one for basically comparing when I need a new one (and possibly for my chinese carbon road frame).. The way I look at it, the $14 for the headset is dirt cheap but lets you easily compare to buy one from CaneCreek/FSA/Whoever instead of scrambling.

    There's so many standards on these things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Doesn't anyone else make one. The headset that came with my carbon 26er was a heavy pile. So, I bought a Cane Creek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanpez View Post
    What was heavy about it? Was it a typical cup style headset?
    The weight was heavy about it. The quality was poor. It was all steel and 3 times the weight of my Z-3 CC headset that I picked up on Ebay for $30.

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    So it was the type with cups that had to be pressed in?

    I haven't seen too many frames setup like this from China, that's why I'm asking.

    -Steve in NJ

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    The weight was heavy about it. The quality was poor. It was all steel and 3 times the weight of my Z-3 CC headset that I picked up on Ebay for $30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanpez View Post
    So it was the type with cups that had to be pressed in?

    I haven't seen too many frames setup like this from China, that's why I'm asking.

    -Steve in NJ
    Sorry, yes, press in type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by menusk View Post
    Wait a second this isnt a 29er! :0) my bike i thought id share any way. i bought a 26 from go to bike mentioned on here since i have all parts already and didnt want to invest in 29" stuff untill i was sure the frame was solid. and let me tell you this frame is solid! im definitely going 29 when the time comes. But for now the 26" rocks!

    <a href="https://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/?action=view&amp;current=IMG_0039.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/IMG_0039.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    p.s. i know its not a specialized it just looked naked without any stickers
    the rear brake is a hygia usagi... but what is the front brake ?
    I don't post to generate business for myself or make like I'm better than sliced bread

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    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    If anyone is ordering the 29er frame from Hong-fu, you might want to add the headset from their site as well. I did not and had to order it separately. Cost was $15 for the headset, but $38 was the shipping cost. Maybe some of you can benefit from my mistake.
    Seems to me the smart thing is to ask for the cad drawings. Use the dimensions from the drawing and buy one from Cane Creek.... Or for someone who just received theirs to post up the measurements that are inscribed on the parts...

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    OK.... I've read through this thread and I'm ready to pull the trigger...

    I'm looking for the following:

    * Matte UD
    * Tapered head tube
    * Threaded bottom bracket
    * External cable routing
    * 19" frame


    Who is the best to deal with, and who will have what I'm looking for? I have an email out to Hong Fu, but am awaiting a response.....

    Thanks.........

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    well LTBike can do all that bar the external cables
    but why not go internal? looks trick and is easy to setup

    ps. i hate feeling like a rep for these companies lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    well LTBike can do all that bar the external cables
    but why not go internal? looks trick and is easy to setup

    ps. i hate feeling like a rep for these companies lol
    Thanks for answering those questions Josh............

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    Lol...MCS 'made a funny'! Word of the day, "heavy". A steel version is bound to be on the weighty side of things. I still can't believe they put in a steel version in MCS? Not doubting of course, just really bizzar!!! That in itself is funny. Sexy looking frames though. I am seriously seriously coontemplating one of the 29-er HT.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    The weight was heavy about it. The quality was poor. It was all steel and 3 times the weight of my Z-3 CC headset that I picked up on Ebay for $30.

    Anyone esle get a steel headset?...

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    yep the headset i got weighed a lot
    i just chucked a cane creek one in, no biggie
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    Different weave info

    Found THIS info

    I'm tempted to buy one of these frames.
    Does anyone know which frame accepts the widest rear tire? And how wide?

    Also, anyone else approx. 215 lbs riding these frames on rough singletrack / All Mountain style?

    Do any of these frames use a 30.9mm seatpost?

    thanks!

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    So has anyone bought a Cane Creek headset for the Hong Fu HF053 frame?

    The drawings have it specced as 42mm on the top, 52mm on the bottom. Is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by client_9 View Post
    Found THIS info

    I'm tempted to buy one of these frames.
    Does anyone know which frame accepts the widest rear tire? And how wide?

    Also, anyone else approx. 215 lbs riding these frames on rough singletrack / All Mountain style?

    Do any of these frames use a 30.9mm seatpost?

    thanks!
    Why would you buy one those frames? The cheapest one is over $2,000 and the rest are over $3,000. Just for the frame and headset. Just not sure why at those prices you wouldn't just buy a name brand carbon frame. Unless I'm looking at the website wrong.

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    no.

    Quote Originally Posted by qdawgg View Post
    Why would you buy one those frames? The cheapest one is over $2,000 and the rest are over $3,000. Just for the frame and headset. Just not sure why at those prices you wouldn't just buy a name brand carbon frame. Unless I'm looking at the website wrong.
    No, I linked to that info cause these Chinese frames have the same finishes - just thought someone might want to know what the different weaves (3k,12k, UD) were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by client_9 View Post
    No, I linked to that info cause these Chinese frames have the same finishes - just thought someone might want to know what the different weaves (3k,12k, UD) were.
    ohhh, gotcha. Wasn't trying to be a d!ck with my post just FYI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qdawgg View Post
    ohhh, gotcha. Wasn't trying to be a d!ck with my post just FYI.
    My bad, I didn't explain the link enough. Been drinkin' beer since lunch.

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