Chinese Carbon 29er - Page 3- Mtbr.com
Page 3 of 50 FirstFirst 123456713 ... LastLast
Results 401 to 600 of 9890
  1. #401
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    637
    Bump

    Can anyone who has bought one of these frame and had a few weeks to ride it submit a review please.

    Also keen to know what size tire will fit.

    May be keen to make a purchase after cracking my frame on the weekend.

    Lapierre XR29ei, Chris King LB Carbon, XTR 1 X 10
    Planet X Dirty Harry
    Chiner 29er SS

  2. #402
    West Chester, PA
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    4,755
    LOL at the guys bashing these frames when you're probably already riding something made in china.

    For anybody that wants more reassurance go have a look through this thread and see all the happy customers and sick builds. And this is the 5TH massive thread since these frames started getting popular, its nothing new or untested. These mountain frames are coming from the same factories and sellers. My bike is on page 23 IIRC, if you want to see my results. If there was a carbon 29er that satisfied my current geometry desires (<17" chainstays) I'd already have one on the way.

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=241785

  3. #403
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dictatorsaurus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    2,664
    I'm interested in a Chinese carbon 29er.

    Information is scattered all over about them. Would be nice to have all details in one thread.

  4. #404
    West Chester, PA
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    4,755
    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    I'm interested in a Chinese carbon 29er.

    Information is scattered all over about them. Would be nice to have all details in one thread.
    Since they did it at RBR they'd probably do it here. Funny thing is that those threads on RBR have really done a lot for those vendors in china, and they don't pay a dime or sponsor the site. I'd say the china carbon road bike thing is officially a "craze" now. Only thing that doesn't sit well with me is the people buying the pinarello copies and having them painted to look like the real thing. Just don't get why somebody would be so insecure that they would do that to impress people on a group ride or whatever.

  5. #405
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    124
    I can't understand the Chinarello thing at all. I'm sure the frames are nice and certainly great for the money but people shouldn't pretend it's something it's not. It's rediculously cheesy.

    I bought one of the chinese frames (after researching the heck out of it on RBR) direct from the factory and couldn't be happier. Very inexpensive and well made. It actually rides pretty well so I'm quite happy. $425 for a frame/headset/fork/carbon spacers, 3 derailleur hangers all shipped to my house.

    I would have chosen different geometry possibly but it wasn't really that important to me as road isn't my passion.

    The geometry and lack of testers has kept me from a chinese carbon 29er so far. I'm sure it'll change however.

  6. #406
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    562
    Quote Originally Posted by xcbarny
    Bump

    Can anyone who has bought one of these frame and had a few weeks to ride it submit a review please.

    Also keen to know what size tire will fit.

    May be keen to make a purchase after cracking my frame on the weekend.

    Lets hear more about the cracked frame. Inquiring minds want to know.

  7. #407
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    626
    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli
    LOL at the guys bashing these frames when you're probably already riding something made in china.

    For anybody that wants more reassurance go have a look through this thread and see all the happy customers and sick builds. And this is the 5TH massive thread since these frames started getting popular, its nothing new or untested. These mountain frames are coming from the same factories and sellers. My bike is on page 23 IIRC, if you want to see my results. If there was a carbon 29er that satisfied my current geometry desires (<17" chainstays) I'd already have one on the way.

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=241785
    True. I would ignore the bashers. These are the same people who do not have a clue how to put a computer together that is why they buy a prebuilt Dell since it is made in the USA.

  8. #408
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    29

    jbc lightning

    this is the one i want, a bit more that the other frames. They show on the companies web site they offer a 19", the only one i can find is a 16" on e-bay, which is too small for me. I want to do one of these rigid, has anyone done one yet??

    FWIW, i am a regular at RBR, and am new here. I ride a full carbon TT bike from Taiwan, so i am not shilling or bashing, same screen name there, slowtwitch, beginner triathlete and RBR, haha !!!!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Chinese Carbon 29er-jbc-pic.jpg  


  9. #409
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudedog55
    this is the one i want, a bit more that the other frames. They show on the companies web site they offer a 19", the only one i can find is a 16" on e-bay, which is too small for me. I want to do one of these rigid, has anyone done one yet??

    FWIW, i am a regular at RBR, and am new here. I ride a full carbon TT bike from Taiwan, so i am not shilling or bashing, same screen name there, slowtwitch, beginner triathlete and RBR, haha !!!!
    Who makes this frame?

  10. #410
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    So has anyone built one up yet? Any pics?

  11. #411
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    29
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    Who makes this frame?
    from what i can tell, it is made by JBC, i can only find one seller and he is on ebay and only has the 16" frames, it is very close to the Deng Fu FM038, but the Deng Fu is not quite the same, rear brake mount is different, heat tube is different
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Chinese Carbon 29er-2011-deng-fu-small.jpg  


  12. #412
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    637
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudedog55
    this is the one i want, a bit more that the other frames. They show on the companies web site they offer a 19", the only one i can find is a 16" on e-bay, which is too small for me. I want to do one of these rigid, has anyone done one yet??

    FWIW, i am a regular at RBR, and am new here. I ride a full carbon TT bike from Taiwan, so i am not shilling or bashing, same screen name there, slowtwitch, beginner triathlete and RBR, haha !!!!
    Is that a 29er?
    Lapierre XR29ei, Chris King LB Carbon, XTR 1 X 10
    Planet X Dirty Harry
    Chiner 29er SS

  13. #413
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    So far from what we have all seen who has the best frame? Quality, geometry etc.

    I think that tomorrow I'm going to order a from from Jenny at Hong Fu. I'm going to get a 17.5", 12K with the Matte finish.

    Any thoughts?

  14. #414
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    29
    Quote Originally Posted by xcbarny
    Is that a 29er?
    actually the JBC is not, it is designed as a 26, but i have seen another from them that is equipped as a 29er and there seems to be plenty of clearance for the tires. I do not know what it will do to the geometry, nor what axle to crown it is designed for, the guy i saw, used a Trigon 26 mtb fork with 29er wheels, i know that works, it is what i have on my newly front disc equipped CX bike.

    the Deng Fu is designed as a 29er.

  15. #415
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    637
    Quote Originally Posted by Fishlips
    Lets hear more about the cracked frame. Inquiring minds want to know.
    Not the frames fault. I rode a 6Hr Enduro at the weekend, which had the thickest clingiest mud I've ever experienced.

    Got chronic chainsuck by the second lap. Cleaned it down and got it running smooth again, but 2 mins into my next lap the chainsuck was back, so I stuck it in the big ring. That worked fine for a while, but on a climb, I shifted up the at the rear, and then the rear mech ripped off, and smashed into the seatstay of my Alma.

    Didn't realise that it had done any damage other than breaking the hanger, but on cleaning it at home I found the carbon on the seatstay had cracked.

    Gonna try to get it fixed first. Apparently theres a few local guys that can do a good job.
    Lapierre XR29ei, Chris King LB Carbon, XTR 1 X 10
    Planet X Dirty Harry
    Chiner 29er SS

  16. #416
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    So the Deng Fu FM038 is a 29er?

  17. #417
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    What worries me about all these frames is the lack of a metal insert for the axle on the left side stay.

  18. #418
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    29
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    So the Deng Fu FM038 is a 29er?
    well, crap, now i don't know. when i looked at work i thought for sure it was, now at home i cant find it specifying 29er.....

  19. #419
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    I'm in such a toss up!

    Hong Fu, Go To Bike or Deng fu?

  20. #420
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    3,493
    Quote Originally Posted by xcbarny
    Not the frames fault. I rode a 6Hr Enduro at the weekend, which had the thickest clingiest mud I've ever experienced.

    Got chronic chainsuck by the second lap. Cleaned it down and got it running smooth again, but 2 mins into my next lap the chainsuck was back, so I stuck it in the big ring. That worked fine for a while, but on a climb, I shifted up the at the rear, and then the rear mech ripped off, and smashed into the seatstay of my Alma.

    Didn't realise that it had done any damage other than breaking the hanger, but on cleaning it at home I found the carbon on the seatstay had cracked.

    Gonna try to get it fixed first. Apparently theres a few local guys that can do a good job.
    That's why I started running 1x 9 and 10 on my carbon 26er frame[ bye bye chainsuck]

  21. #421
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    18
    If I offended anyone with my comment about Made in the USA I am sorry,it was not my intension to offend anyone,I always try to buy Made in USA if I can afford it and I am willing to pay a little bit more than I would for an import.
    Quote Originally Posted by kkjellquist
    I have a custom lugged steel road bike that was $1200 for frame and fork, and I've always thought that was a bargain...and it was.

    Out of curiosity I emailed 'Jenny' and was just quoted $520 for frame, headset, and shipping on the Chinese 29er. Until you can show me a builder that will be anywhere close to that price your argument is moot.

    The entire anti-Chinese stance reeks of xenophobia and racism to me. If these frames were made in Norway, France, Lithuania, or Canada nobody would think twice about the purchase. Look at Cervelo for example....because they are Canadians that import Chinese frames, apply a huge mark up, and have killer marketing, somehow people think it's OK. If I was in the market for a carbon 29er I'd skip the middle man.

    The other argument is the warranty issue. I can't speak for other companies but I did work for a Cervelo dealer for several years and they aren't giving away frames. Your warranty better be a legitimate factory defect and those are extremely rare. In my experience, most warranty claims don't qualify and the customer ends up buying a replacement at a great price or they get nothing. Well...this Chinese 29er beats most replacement deals so you still come out ahead IF it breaks.

    I'm not buying one, but if I was in the market I almost certainly would.

  22. #422
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    29
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    I'm in such a toss up!

    Hong Fu, Go To Bike or Deng fu?
    i knew i saw that frame style as a 29er

    http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/41...showimage.html

    looks to be the same style as the Deng Fu, although this one specifies 29er.

    company is LT bike Co ltd.

  23. #423
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudedog55
    i knew i saw that frame style as a 29er

    http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/41...showimage.html

    looks to be the same style as the Deng Fu, although this one specifies 29er.

    company is LT bike Co ltd.
    How does that pertain to my reply?

  24. #424
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    29
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    How does that pertain to my reply?
    just giving another option to your dilemma my friend.

    good luck with your frame search

  25. #425
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudedog55
    just giving another option to your dilemma my friend.

    good luck with your frame search
    My frame search ended in a medium White Niner Air 9 Carbon with matching Carbon Fork. I'm not gonna lie. I'm pretty friggin excited.
    Last edited by Phil335; 04-26-2011 at 04:23 AM.

  26. #426
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    921
    Deleted!

  27. #427
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    921
    Quote Originally Posted by Pungbråck
    If I offended anyone with my comment about Made in the USA I am sorry,it was not my intension to offend anyone,I always try to buy Made in USA if I can afford it and I am willing to pay a little bit more than I would for an import.
    Pungbrack, I can't speak for everyone else, but I do ride & race name brand bikes, my main race bike is about 23 lbs and I'm going to put a carbon fork on it soon,so I should be getting this bike down to say 20 lbs. Now please don't ask me how much that cost.
    (and I get pro deals)

    So you asked why! well for me, I do 24 hr racing, I want a light bike that I can go out and lay down some very fast laps on it and put as menny people down a lap or two,then I can get on my 26lb steel HT for a little comfort for a few laps then back on the lighter bike.

    I think it comes down to cost! lots of people just don't have the $$$ for a name brand race bikes.

    I thought I was going to build up one of the Chinese 29ers (and I might later) but it seems like there's going to be more of them by next year, and I think I would reather go with the On-One... I like having someone on the other-end of the phone that knows my needs and we can understand each other thats what I have with Salsa Cycles and I'm not willing to give that up.

  28. #428
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    16
    Almost done with my build. I am still waiting on the yellow. The build started out as a single speed until my S-works 29er Stumpjumper was put on back order. So far I am very pleased with the frame structure and only time will tell how well it rides. I do like the compact geometry though as I am only 5'6" so getting that aggressive position is hard on many 29er frames. All this talk about not being able to talk to the company and wanting a direct contact. Having been in the bike industry and dealing with many bike companies direct over the years, I can say Jenny at Hung Fu has hands down better customer service and understanding of the client better than any of the big box bike companies. I email and talk to her several times a week as I am having custom frames made for my sports nutrition company. What company will take the time and actually email you pics of their factory and explain to you the standards they follow during their frame production. I will buy bikes and products from them and will recommend anyone to them as well.






  29. #429
    100% fuzz, 0% melody
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    239
    Bike looks pretty nice. Could you please explain the point of this graphic?



    Why would you compile that sort of list? I'd never thought of doing something like that and I am curious as to why someone would do it.

  30. #430
    mtbr member
    Reputation: willywilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    119
    that matte finish is gravy!

  31. #431
    dirtbag
    Reputation: ranier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    1,487
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash T. Abula
    Bike looks pretty nice. Could you please explain the point of this graphic?



    Why would you compile that sort of list? I'd never thought of doing something like that and I am curious as to why someone would do it.
    I'm guessing weight weenie who likes tracking weight and cost.
    Amolan

  32. #432
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dictatorsaurus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    2,664
    Quote Originally Posted by DaChosenOne
    Ok...stop dealing with all this group buying talk. Its simple....go to Hung Fu bikes webpage and email Jenny. I have been talking to her for several months now to have custom bikes made for my new nutrition company. The frames are made in house and if you read road bike review a gentleman posted pictures of their factory and their process of frame production. My frame was $485 shipped to my door with the custom matte finish done. I had it in 5 days. They work fast and are easier to deal with than most bike companies. Goto is the same bike mold but more expensive and their lead times are long. They have great customer service too.
    They quoted me $510 shipped for the frame? Did you just ask for the matte finish when you ordered or did you specify anything else?

  33. #433
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    73

  34. #434
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    16
    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    They quoted me $510 shipped for the frame? Did you just ask for the matte finish when you ordered or did you specify anything else?

    Yes.. Tell jenny you want the matte finish on the 29er MTB frame. What people don't realize is she is the owner there so she know everything from ground up and is such a seet lady. Just be patient with them because remember our English slang is not how they speak English. You will need to be specific with what you want.
    Last edited by DaChosenOne; 04-17-2011 at 01:56 PM.

  35. #435
    mtbr member
    Reputation: funnyjr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    672
    Quote Originally Posted by DaChosenOne
    Almost done with my build. I am still waiting on the yellow. The build started out as a single speed until my S-works 29er Stumpjumper was put on back order. So far I am very pleased with the frame structure and only time will tell how well it rides. I do like the compact geometry though as I am only 5'6" so getting that aggressive position is hard on many 29er frames. All this talk about not being able to talk to the company and wanting a direct contact. Having been in the bike industry and dealing with many bike companies direct over the years, I can say Jenny at Hung Fu has hands down better customer service and understanding of the client better than any of the big box bike companies. I email and talk to her several times a week as I am having custom frames made for my sports nutrition company. What company will take the time and actually email you pics of their factory and explain to you the standards they follow during their frame production. I will buy bikes and products from them and will recommend anyone to them as well.







    Which headset did your Hong Fu come with? and which headset did you use to accomadate your 1 1/8 Reba or is it tapered? Did you use reducer headset?

  36. #436
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash T. Abula
    Bike looks pretty nice. Could you please explain the point of this graphic?



    Why would you compile that sort of list? I'd never thought of doing something like that and I am curious as to why someone would do it.
    Its a build sheet. What's so hard to understand about it?

  37. #437
    Its got what plants crave
    Reputation: Jim311's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    5,934
    Do you mind posting the pics of the factory that Jenny sent? That'd be cool.
    Ocala Mountain Bike Association - www.omba.org

  38. #438
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    16
    Quote Originally Posted by funnyjr
    Which headset did your Hong Fu come with? and which headset did you use to accomadate your 1 1/8 Reba or is it tapered? Did you use reducer headset?
    It came with and using:
    https://www.e-hongfu-bikes.com/index...roducts_id=240

    I am using the Cane Creek 110-Series Conversion Crown Race which can be purchased at any bike shop..or at competitve cyclist.
    https://www.competitivecyclist.com/z....ID=8947&MODE=


    After riding it for two weeks and really putting it to the test on all levels, I am having a hard time finding a thing wrong with the bike.. I Iove the way it handles and feel it rides better than the Stumpy S-works and Niner Air Nine Carbon. It has held up to many very rocky technical courses and 2-4 foot drops.. I will be racing it this summer at the Breckenridge 100 so the real tests are to come.

    cutting brake lines tomorrow.
    Last edited by DaChosenOne; 04-24-2011 at 09:22 PM.
    Use this amazing thing they call G-O-O-G-L-E.

  39. #439
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    16
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311
    Do you mind posting the pics of the factory that Jenny sent? That'd be cool.















    Use this amazing thing they call G-O-O-G-L-E.

  40. #440
    mtbr member
    Reputation: onlycrimson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    630
    That's interesting as hell

  41. #441
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    I have to say I'm impressed.

  42. #442
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ro7939's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    442
    Quote Originally Posted by DaChosenOne
    This looks fantastic. Black is far and away my more preferred look and color for MTB.

    OK, I'm getting hotter for it.

    Is light crash damage to the frame repairable, just order a new one, or? Warranty re. stress cracks not (I mean actually not, not lying/misrepresenting in any way) caused by abuse/crash?

    Strength/longevity for me: 6-3, 240#, lotsa rocks all kinds, 35+mph, no drops?

    TIA!

  43. #443
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dhbomber's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    793
    WOW!!!!! Super clean factory! Nice!
    My Bike: http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?...3&postcount=49

    On-One Whippet 650b XC machine

  44. #444
    Team Captain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,322
    Never would've guessed that's how pro the factories look.

  45. #445
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    149
    what head sets are you guys using on these?

  46. #446
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    8
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    So the Deng Fu FM038 is a 29er?
    Not sure on Deng Fu, but Hong-Fu is the HF-53 for the 29er:

    http://www.e-hongfu-bikes.com/index....roducts_id=274

    I was quoted USD 435 plus shipping from Jenny.

    Great Keen has one too, the MFM-01:

    http://www.greatkeenbike.com/main/ho...=0028:&catid=0

    Was quoted USD 320 (incl painted or matte clear coated!) plus shipping from Ms Hu.

    My total quote is 500 shipped and includes frame, headset, carbon seatpost, SP collar, 2 x carbon WB cages, extra D hanger, and the PP fee...

    As someone else mentioned upthread, all one needs to do is read th 5 bazillion posts over at RBR to see who's legit and who's questionable. FWIW Deng fu and Hong Fu both have solid reps over there. GK also seem well regarded.

  47. #447
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    This looks fantastic. Black is far and away my more preferred look and color for MTB.

    OK, I'm getting hotter for it.

    Is light crash damage to the frame repairable, just order a new one, or? Warranty re. stress cracks not (I mean actually not, not lying/misrepresenting in any way) caused by abuse/crash?

    Strength/longevity for me: 6-3, 240#, lotsa rocks all kinds, 35+mph, no drops?

    TIA!
    DaChosenOne is 100% correct. Jenny is very easy to deal with and very helpful.

    When I talked to Jenny she told me the frames have a 2 year warranty and crash damage isn't covered. The problem is when you have to send the broken frame back to China. Its EXPENSIVE.

    To answer your carbon repair question. Calfee Designs in California repairs carbon frames and their prices are pretty reasonable.

  48. #448
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by flyor64
    Not sure on Deng Fu, but Hong-Fu is the HF-53 for the 29er:

    http://www.e-hongfu-bikes.com/index....roducts_id=274

    I was quoted USD 435 plus shipping from Jenny.

    Great Keen has one too, the MFM-01:

    http://www.greatkeenbike.com/main/ho...=0028:&catid=0

    Was quoted USD 320 (incl painted or matte clear coated!) plus shipping from Ms Hu.

    My total quote is 500 shipped and includes frame, headset, carbon seatpost, SP collar, 2 x carbon WB cages, extra D hanger, and the PP fee...

    As someone else mentioned upthread, all one needs to do is read th 5 bazillion posts over at RBR to see who's legit and who's questionable. FWIW Deng fu and Hong Fu both have solid reps over there. GK also seem well regarded.
    Thats exactly what I did. I read all about the frames at Road Bike Review. You can get all your questions answered there.

  49. #449
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dictatorsaurus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    2,664
    DaChosenOne, any updates on your bike?

  50. #450
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    320
    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    First of all, let me make it clear that I am not saying these are the same frames. Neither am I saying that they are from the same factory, but I am suggesting that they have very similar lines and it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that they could be from the same place with minor detail changes.

    No EBB on the Chinese made one? Well, it wouldn't be that big a deal to change that feature at the factory. The brace between the stays for the brake also could easily be added. Internal vs. external routing of cables is also a minor detail change.

    Could they be from the same place? They have more similarities to my eyes than not. I'm just sayin'. I could be totally wrong about this, but then again...........

    And I would also agree that the Specialized looks somewhat similar, but not as close as these two models.
    Look....that chinese rubish is NOT a Niner Air9C. No way. No How. And as for "why not buy one and see?" How about catastrophic failure on a narly downhill section. No thanks. I'll stick to a real Niner and trust that I have a 5 year full warranty and many years of research and development that went into the frame.
    "...quit hitting me with your hammer"
    http://tricountymtb.org/
    Niner EMD 1x10 ~ Niner SIR9 SS ~ Cannondale Scalpel Si

  51. #451
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MagicCarpet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    628
    AGrant wrote:
    many years of research and development that went into the frame.
    Many? Years? Are you sure? If there was ever a company that one would suspect of having quality issues, it's Niner, who seem to stumble from one disaster to another.

    that chinese rubish
    What evidence do you have that this is rubbish? What makes you think it is no better than Niner's Chinese gem?
    Last edited by MagicCarpet; 05-05-2011 at 01:53 PM.

  52. #452
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    551
    Quote Originally Posted by AGrant
    many years of research and development that went into the frame.

  53. #453
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ro7939's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    442
    Quote Originally Posted by AGrant
    Look....that chinese rubish is NOT a Niner Air9C. No way. No How. And as for "why not buy one and see?" How about catastrophic failure on a narly downhill section. No thanks. I'll stick to a real Niner and trust that I have a 5 year full warranty and many years of research and development that went into the frame.
    Everyone's fully entitled to their opinions. But labeling something unseen and untouched (if that's the case) as "rubbish" tells readers more about the poster than it tells readers about the thread subject (generic Chinese carbon frames).

    Similarly, suggesting the potential for "catastrophic failure" with absolutely no evidence supporting the suggestion is simple fear-mongering. Maybe if the poster could at least post some hard, concrete, specific drawback other than that they're not a name brand. e.g: Something like: the top-tube/steering head joint is only __mm in thickness, which is 25% less than the frame with the next thicker dimension at the same point.

    Readers need something more than: "It's low cost proves it is unworthy".

    I would add that for every injury caused by "catastrophic (frame) failure" are about 10,000 injuries caused by the dreaded, ever present "operator error".

    Personally, I see reasons to be sympathetic toward the philosophy to purely and always avoid name brands, the larger the name brand the more worthy it is to avoid it (one of the reasons is that the larger the multi-national corporation the more it is associated with all the practices of large corporations, including practices to eliminate all smaller competition).

  54. #454
    awesome
    Reputation: dblspeed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    810

  55. #455
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    8
    Quote Originally Posted by dblspeed
    It's a nice looking frame. I've not seen anything on LT Bike Co though.

    I may ask over at RBR if anyone has any experience with them.

  56. #456
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,135
    Ouch, that post made me remember the catastrophic history of the Jet9
    (Chinese rubbish ? So....where are Carbon air9 frames made.....in Taiwan ?)

  57. #457
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    Everyone's fully entitled to their opinions. But labeling something unseen and untouched (if that's the case) as "rubbish" tells readers more about the poster than it tells readers about the thread subject (generic Chinese carbon frames).

    Similarly, suggesting the potential for "catastrophic failure" with absolutely no evidence supporting the suggestion is simple fear-mongering. Maybe if the poster could at least post some hard, concrete, specific drawback other than that they're not a name brand. e.g: Something like: the top-tube/steering head joint is only __mm in thickness, which is 25% less than the frame with the next thicker dimension at the same point.

    Readers need something more than: "It's low cost proves it is unworthy".

    Personally, I see some reasons to be sympathetic toward the philosophy to purely and always avoid name brands, the larger the name brand the more worthy it is to avoid it (one of the reasons is that the larger the multi-national corporation the more it is associated with all the practices of large corporations, which is to eliminate all smaller competition).
    I agree with you 100% Well said!

  58. #458
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dictatorsaurus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    2,664
    It's ignorant to diss a product because of the country of origin.
    What matters is the manufacturing process and QA. You can make
    quality and low quality anywhere in the world.

    You want premium US made quality check older generation Detroit manufactured GM automotive. Epitome of doody.

  59. #459
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ro7939's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    442
    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    ...Epitome of doody.
    My new motto!

  60. #460
    Live Free & Ride
    Reputation: NH Mtbiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    1,534
    These just showed up on Ebay, $600 shipped from China. Looks like two versions and 16, 18, and 20 inch frames!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
    17 Fuel EX 9.9 (in progress)
    19 FM 279 carbon gravel
    17 Stache 29+
    14 GT Zaskar 100 9r

    https://kettleheadbrewing.com/

  61. #461
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    3,493
    Been there for a while now .
    Last edited by gvs_nz; 05-07-2011 at 01:54 PM.

  62. #462
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    626
    Expensive. I love my Scott 29er but at the same time I have two Chinese carbon bikes 26. I may get one once the prices hit $300.
    “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.”

  63. #463
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    124
    Has anyone purchased the FM039 from DengFu?

    I can't figure out the rear brake cable/hose setup from the pictures. Obviously the bike has internal routing for the derailleurs, but is the rear brake setup for putting the hose internally?

    Obviously if someone wants to run hydraulic brakes this can be an issue. I can't see any external bosses for a hydraulic hose.

    -Steve in NJ

  64. #464
    mtbr member
    Reputation: funnyjr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    672
    Looks its meant for internal brake hose routing down the downtube and out rear chainstay. Will most likely have to disconnect caliper or brake lever, run hose, and rebleed brakes.......

  65. #465
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    mines should be here this week, go look at the photos in the other thread to see the working conditions... looks better than where i work in AU
    Josh

  66. #466
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    16
    My Chinese "rubbish" as the Agrant guy above calls it had no problem holding up to everything I have tested it on in Durango, Colorado. Hands down the best bike I have ever ridden..The bike is super stiff, climbs so well and the handling is suburb.. I let my buddy who owns a NINER ride it yesterday and he said my "rubbish" frame was a much better riding bike than his setup..Needless to say he is selling his NINER air 9 and buying a carbon chinese frame..

    Here is a video of one of my runs on the chinese frame.
    http://youtu.be/Rz3Rg2qELTg?hd=1

    and another:
    http://youtu.be/gnA2MoKt1h8?hd=1

    Had no problem at the Mellow Johnny Pro UCI course either... and the bike was able to climb with Todd Wells.. the bike frame is not going to hold anyone back...its the engine.
    http://youtu.be/hsUEVZB_V-Y?hd=1


    I have many more videos of intense drops and rocks that show what this frame will take.
    Last edited by DaChosenOne; 05-08-2011 at 11:05 PM.
    Use this amazing thing they call G-O-O-G-L-E.

  67. #467
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ro7939's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    442
    Quote Originally Posted by DaChosenOne
    My Chinese "rubbish" as the Agrant guy above calls it had no problem holding up to everything I have tested it on in Durango, Colorado. Hands down the best bike I have ever ridden..The bike is super stiff, climbs so well and the handling is suburb.. I let my buddy who owns a NINER ride it yesterday and he said my "rubbish" frame was a much better riding bike than his setup..Needless to say he is selling his NINER air 9 and buying a carbon chinese frame...
    Well put. I'm sure I speak for many readers in saying thanks for the post.

    I have about 45 years music/high-end audio experience. About 2.5 years ago I replaced a preamp and pure class A power amp (MSRP $11k/pair, my last two elite boutique audio components) with a particular "lowly receiver" ($200 used value)...overall the receiver is a big step up in performance. It's architecture is unique; it was tested by and recommended by a trusted, renown author/PhD in Physics/lifetime audio-video professional. Audio forum members with absolutely no experience with this receiver laugh at and ridicule it.

    Because the new separates cost 55x the used receiver, until after I sold the separates I delayed making posts comparing them to the receiver. Sounds like the same conditions apply to your friend selling the Niner.

  68. #468
    awesome
    Reputation: dblspeed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    810
    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    About 2.5 years ago I replaced a preamp and pure class A power amp (MSRP $11k/pair, my last two elite boutique audio components) with a particular "lowly receiver" ($200 used value)...overall the receiver is a big step up in performance. It's architecture is unique; it was tested by and recommended by a trusted, renown author/PhD in Physics/lifetime audio-video professional.
    which receiver, if I may ask?

  69. #469
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ro7939's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    442
    Quote Originally Posted by dblspeed
    which receiver, if I may ask?
    Replied via email.

  70. #470
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,135
    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    Well put. I'm sure I speak for many readers in saying thanks for the post.

    I have about 45 years music/high-end audio experience. About 2.5 years ago I replaced a preamp and pure class A power amp (MSRP $11k/pair, my last two elite boutique audio components) with a particular "lowly receiver" ($200 used value)...overall the receiver is a big step up in performance. It's architecture is unique; it was tested by and recommended by a trusted, renown author/PhD in Physics/lifetime audio-video professional. Audio forum members with absolutely no experience with this receiver laugh at and ridicule it.

    Because the new separates cost 55x the used receiver, until after I sold the separates I delayed making posts comparing them to the receiver. Sounds like the same conditions apply to your friend selling the Niner.
    Ok total derail, do you know much about piano midi recording and sequencing ?
    I so can I pm question ? (Yami p95 recording into notation composer or sequencing it with FL Studio, Reaper, Mixcraft or what ever. Nothing fancy; just LH,RH and minimizing interpretations into triplets/quintups, 32/64 notes that I don't really play.) I know, play better Problem explained maybe better is: I assume with experience with software sequencer that will interpolate better so I don't get 64's notes etc. as mentioned that I really never played.... But.....millisecond timing thing and the midi device thinks I did.
    I have seen midi recording in by some really good piano guys that is recorded straight in with a Yamaha disklavier that has the same problem. The midi score looks really rough and it sounds like a straight playback but it is full of triplets and 32's and 64's and measures are very far off of the beat etc.
    Last edited by ghawk; 05-10-2011 at 01:40 PM.

  71. #471
    Tá mé ar meisce.
    Reputation: BeerCan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    668
    Ok we need to let this receiver info out two things I am forever doing, messing with my bike(s) and messing with my stereo(s)
    Get a bicycle. You will certainly not regret it, if you live. --Mark Twain

  72. #472
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    584
    Quote Originally Posted by dblspeed
    Damn that actually looks pretty tight! - the overall shape looks awfully close the the 2011 Scott 29er carbon... Even the decaling leads me to believe they have copied the Scott pretty closely. I'd really like to see one of these bandsawed up and analised by an industry CF expert.

  73. #473
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dictatorsaurus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    2,664
    Quote Originally Posted by dblspeed
    It mentions internal cable and custom paint. Interested to know if anyone have dealt with those guys.

  74. #474
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ro7939's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    442
    Quote Originally Posted by ghawk
    Ok total derail, do you know much about piano midi recording...?...
    Negative. Last synth was analog ARP 2600, Herbie Hancock's preferred kit ala Headhunters album. Last album work was Roy Buchanan's In The Beginning, decades before some active MTBR members were born.

    My MTB introduction came late, especially considering I lived 20 mins from Marin County's Mt. Tamalpais for most of my 56 years. You guys would beat me uphill with one pedal, but on motorcycles, on Lucas Valley Road in Marin County, reverse sequence. Two motorcyclists, one of them a fast North Bay rider, crashed trying to reel me in on Lucas VR. I practiced it 3-5x per week for years.

  75. #475
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    175
    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    It mentions internal cable and custom paint. Interested to know if anyone have dealt with those guys.
    +1
    I haven't found any feedback from that company in google, the frame looks tempting.

  76. #476
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    29
    Quote Originally Posted by spaniardclimber
    +1
    I haven't found any feedback from that company in google, the frame looks tempting.
    Would also love the see these in a UD finish, i am getting kinda bored with the 3&12k finishes.

    UD matte would be really nice

  77. #477
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    29

    ... and if we just ... Check your spelling!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by jimification
    Damn that actually looks pretty tight! - the overall shape looks awfully close the the 2011 Scott 29er carbon... Even the decaling leads me to believe they have copied the Scott pretty closely. I'd really like to see one of these bandsawed up and analised by an industry CF expert.
    You're on the wrong website if you want to see things "analised"!

  78. #478
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    626
    Quote Originally Posted by tumble_downs
    You're on the wrong website if you want to see things "analised"!

    LOL.
    “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.”

  79. #479
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    584
    Quote Originally Posted by tumble_downs
    You're on the wrong website if you want to see things "analised"!
    ROFL! Hmmm....either I admit to bad spelling or a desire to witness industry experts shoving chopped up bicycles up their posteriors - I can't win!

    I think CF would splinter quite badly if you bandsawed it....

  80. #480
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    Ive got one ordered with them atm that Im building upm singlespeed
    Its 20" ud carbon in matte finish with bb30 so i can run a beer eccentric bb
    Ill post photos of it when I get it, it worked out $480usd delivered
    Josh

  81. #481
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    626
    Quote Originally Posted by emp?
    Ive got one ordered with them atm that Im building upm singlespeed
    Its 20" ud carbon in matte finish with bb30 so i can run a beer eccentric bb
    Ill post photos of it when I get it, it worked out $480usd delivered

    Who did you order from if you do not mind telling me?
    “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.”

  82. #482
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    It looks like this may be the same frame? Sette Carbon

  83. #483
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    626
    Quote Originally Posted by subspd
    It looks like this may be the same frame? Sette Carbon

    What is wrong with head tube? It is too small.
    “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.”

  84. #484
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    211
    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK
    What is wrong with head tube? It is too small.
    Yeah, 90mm HT on the 17", weird meh, wouldn't buy Sette anyway when you can buy direct for less then half. The only difference is the 5 yr warranty.

  85. #485
    bicycle rider
    Reputation: morganfletcher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    2,718
    Quote Originally Posted by vitiate
    Yeah, 90mm HT on the 17", weird
    The only difference is the 5 yr warranty.
    The first statement makes the second statement more significant.

    Morgan

  86. #486
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK
    Who did you order from if you do not mind telling me?
    http://ltbike.en.alibaba.com/
    Josh

  87. #487
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    626
    Quote Originally Posted by vitiate
    Yeah, 90mm HT on the 17", weird meh, wouldn't buy Sette anyway when you can buy direct for less then half. The only difference is the 5 yr warranty.
    It is a bit on the expensive side.
    “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.”

  88. #488
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    211
    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK
    It is a bit on the expensive side.
    You got that right, and they list it as 47% off, haha. I'd buy the china one direct. Even if you were a careless clod and somehow managed to break 3 of them in 5 yrs, you be even or be money ahead. Plus, who knows if Pricepoint would warranty it, I've heard horrible things about their customer service.

  89. #489
    LCW
    LCW is online now
    mtbr member
    Reputation: LCW's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    4,520
    Quote Originally Posted by subspd
    It looks like this may be the same frame? Sette Carbon
    nah... too "guppy" looking... i hate that bloated belly look.... hated it on the recent Fishers and hate it on this... looks dumb

    Santa Cruz Tallboy 4


  90. #490
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    29
    Quote Originally Posted by subspd
    It looks like this may be the same frame? Sette Carbon
    that looks more like an Axman version than the LT bike version, looks a little like an On-one also.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Chinese Carbon 29er-axman.jpg  

    Chinese Carbon 29er-175-setr91__angle_5.jpg  


  91. #491
    mtbr member
    Reputation: elsinore's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    606
    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK
    It is a bit on the expensive side.

    A grand for a Sette frame?

    They must be kidding.
    Who the Christ is going to buy that?

  92. #492
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    440
    That headtube is just to weird.

  93. #493
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Mountain Cycle Shawn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,752
    This is my Asian carbon fiber 26er. Sorry it's not a 29er, but I wanted to chim in on the reliability. I've been beating the crap out of it for 2 months without a problem. Next upgrade is a FSA Carbon Pro crankset (sitting on my coffee table) and a Homebrewed red 34T spyderless chainring, rollin' a gold KMC X10SL chain. Then I'm going to get an Aussie 38T cog, for the 11-34 cassette. Then I am going to make plans to buy an Asian 29er.


  94. #494
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    211
    Nice ride.

    There's a lot of seat clamping going on there Did you have slippage or is it just for peace of mind?

    On the second pic, it almost doesn't look like there's a seat with the similar colors, lol

  95. #495
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Mountain Cycle Shawn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,752
    Quote Originally Posted by vitiate
    Nice ride.

    There's a lot of seat clamping going on there Did you have slippage or is it just for peace of mind?

    On the second pic, it almost doesn't look like there's a seat with the similar colors, lol
    Thanks. It's for peace of mind. It's a really light carbon post. I don't have to tighten either one very tight, but I do have to tighten it every couple of weeks.

  96. #496
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    3,493
    I'll wait till they get under $300 like the 26" frames.

  97. #497
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Mountain Cycle Shawn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,752
    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz
    I'll wait till they get under $300 like the 26" frames.
    The price has been steadily going up on the 26ers. And inflation is on the rise, big time in China and Taiwan. I'd buy now, if your worried about the price.

  98. #498
    ballbuster
    Reputation: pimpbot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    12,717
    I dunno... these things are looking pretty sweet. I'm not a big fan of the carbon look. I might get mine done in solid orange or something.... maybe add a "Spishack" logo to it... a nod to the fictional Mad TV fly by night company.

    man.... I can probably get $100 for my Access29er frame... sell a couple more things out of the parts bin... hmmmm....

  99. #499
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    527
    Quote Originally Posted by DaChosenOne
    Almost done with my build.
    Hi chosenone - what is the size of your bike?

    I am currently riding a Haro Mary in 20", and it fits perfectly. I'm 6' 1 5/8 (187cm).

    I am looking at the 19" size, and eff. top tube is 1 cm short of Mary ( Mary->625, HF-053->615) but the seat angle is stronger on the HF-053, 73.5 compared to 72.5).

    Has anyone else tried the geometry so can report on it?

  100. #500
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    69
    Any problems with ordering from the alibaba site? Really want that 29er for that price

  101. #501
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    49
    Quote Originally Posted by Goran_injo
    Hi chosenone - what is the size of your bike?

    I am currently riding a Haro Mary in 20", and it fits perfectly. I'm 6' 1 5/8 (187cm).

    I am looking at the 19" size, and eff. top tube is 1 cm short of Mary ( Mary->625, HF-053->615) but the seat angle is stronger on the HF-053, 73.5 compared to 72.5).

    Has anyone else tried the geometry so can report on it?
    How long is your inseam? what distance do you use from saddle top to bb center? I run a 19" frame (salsa el mariachi ti), and with my inseam of 91cm i need a 410mm seatpost almost full out.

  102. #502
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    16


    The frame is a 16".

    After a month of solid punishment, this bike has held up to everything put at it. If it ever brakes, I will be ordering another one because the bike is that fast.

    I recorded more videos on it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twua...eature=related


    This is a video of the bike in action filmed by my buddy:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgIGmQWPrdg
    Use this amazing thing they call G-O-O-G-L-E.

  103. #503
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    16
    forgot to mention....took the bike on a true DH run yesterday and it performed under the stress.
    Use this amazing thing they call G-O-O-G-L-E.

  104. #504
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    1,502
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    What worries me about all these frames is the lack of a metal insert for the axle on the left side stay.
    1+ do other carbon frames have a metal insert? I'm almost ready to pull the trigger but this is the only thing that is stopping me (if true).

  105. #505
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    Quote Originally Posted by DaChosenOne
    forgot to mention....took the bike on a true DH run yesterday and it performed under the stress.
    What is your build like and what is the weight of the bike? Did you happen to weigh just the frame?
    How long did it take to get?
    Where did you order from? Price shipped? I am seriously considering one of these...

  106. #506
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    Quote Originally Posted by emp?
    Ive got one ordered with them atm that Im building upm singlespeed
    Its 20" ud carbon in matte finish with bb30 so i can run a beer eccentric bb
    Ill post photos of it when I get it, it worked out $480usd delivered
    Where did you get it from?

  107. #507
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    Quote Originally Posted by DaChosenOne


    The frame is a 16".

    After a month of solid punishment, this bike has held up to everything put at it. If it ever brakes, I will be ordering another one because the bike is that fast.

    I recorded more videos on it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twua...eature=related


    This is a video of the bike in action filmed by my buddy:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgIGmQWPrdg
    I can't seem to find the one like yours with the extra brace for the rear brake?

  108. #508
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ro7939's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    442
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn
    The price has been steadily going up on the 26ers. And inflation is on the rise, big time in China and Taiwan. I'd buy now, if your worried about the price.

    +1...I purchase a product from China and follow business trends. Currently, indeed, yes, I agree 100%.

    But China certainly appears to be a huge bubble (unprovable till after it bursts). (Part of that bubble is likely caused by USA QE1 and QE2, which could be invested in China, but that's another story.)

    Is it not possible, if the Chinese bubble bursts as it appears it may soon, prices could go down?

  109. #509
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    Quote Originally Posted by subspd
    Where did you get it from?
    alibaba from LT Bikes i think it was, still hasnt come yet only ordered a week ago
    Josh

  110. #510
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    69
    Do you have an email adr. to LT Bikes? Ive tried contacting them over alibaba, but nothing happens.

  111. #511
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    in my experience alibaba messages get replied to in 2-3 weeks or not at all.

  112. #512
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    27
    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbitized
    Do you have an email adr. to LT Bikes? Ive tried contacting them over alibaba, but nothing happens.
    I have just order one frame. In my case, I have had instant response from Alisa: [email protected]

  113. #513
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    1,782
    Quote Originally Posted by kkjellquist
    The entire anti-Chinese stance reeks of xenophobia and racism to me. If these frames were made in Norway, France, Lithuania, or Canada nobody would think twice about the purchase. Look at Cervelo for example....because they are Canadians that import Chinese frames, apply a huge mark up, and have killer marketing, somehow people think it's OK. If I was in the market for a carbon 29er I'd skip the middle man.
    It can reek of whatever you want it to.... I think the main reasons to buy USA, or from anyother country that believes in democracy, is to know that you are giving back to the middle class dream. You can do an Obama and pull out the race card but I like to call it for what it is.

  114. #514
    LCW
    LCW is online now
    mtbr member
    Reputation: LCW's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    4,520
    Quote Originally Posted by DaChosenOne


    The frame is a 16".

    After a month of solid punishment, this bike has held up to everything put at it. If it ever brakes, I will be ordering another one because the bike is that fast.

    I recorded more videos on it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twua...eature=related


    This is a video of the bike in action filmed by my buddy:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgIGmQWPrdg

    that's actually the best chinese carbon 29er I've seen yet ....

    Santa Cruz Tallboy 4


  115. #515
    mtbr member
    Reputation: 2002maniac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    376
    What's the clearance like for big tires?

  116. #516
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Mountain Cycle Shawn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,752
    Quote Originally Posted by DaChosenOne


    The frame is a 16".

    After a month of solid punishment, this bike has held up to everything put at it. If it ever brakes, I will be ordering another one because the bike is that fast.

    I recorded more videos on it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twua...eature=related


    This is a video of the bike in action filmed by my buddy:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgIGmQWPrdg
    Where did you get your carbon saddle and how is it treating your external sphincter? I have been looking for a good one at a reasonable price.

  117. #517
    Its got what plants crave
    Reputation: Jim311's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    5,934
    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA
    It can reek of whatever you want it to.... I think the main reasons to buy USA, or from anyother country that believes in democracy, is to know that you are giving back to the middle class dream. You can do an Obama and pull out the race card but I like to call it for what it is.

    Buy from China... CRUSH THE AMERICAN DREAM



    RIP democracy, some dudes are buying things from other countries.

    Ocala Mountain Bike Association - www.omba.org

  118. #518
    "Ride Lots" Eddy Merckx
    Reputation: kkjellquist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    662
    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj
    It's not clear in the pic you provide if there's a scratch or a crack and it sounds like they feel the same way. Perhaps if there's a better angle that shows a crack you might get a better result. Carbon gets surface scratches easily.
    Frankly, no company is going to send you a new frame based solely on that pic. It's just unfortunate they are in China. However, one of the arguments for the Chinese frames is that you could buy a whole new frame and still save $500+ over other companies.

    Have you asked if they can cut you a deal on a new frame?
    "Big Gulps huh?...Allllriggghhht....Welp, See ya later!"

  119. #519
    saddlemeat
    Reputation: bsieb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    3,842
    The American Dream died of natural causes in '95. Now we're just a bunch of a-holes ripping each other off.

    Except for a few of us.
    I ride with the best dogs.




  120. #520
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Mountain Cycle Shawn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,752
    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    The American Dream died of natural causes in '95. Now we're just a bunch of a-holes ripping each other off.

    Except for a few of us.
    What happened in '95 to cause that?

  121. #521
    "Ride Lots" Eddy Merckx
    Reputation: kkjellquist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    662
    I'm willing to bet more people in China are living the dream and moving from lower to middle class than in the US.
    "Big Gulps huh?...Allllriggghhht....Welp, See ya later!"

  122. #522
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    x2 ^^^ this is fact. Now back on topic. Where can I order one of these frames?

  123. #523
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Intense01's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    40
    Quote Originally Posted by subspd
    x2 ^^^ this is fact. Now back on topic. Where can I order one of these frames?

    I ordered mine from Jenny. It still hasn't shown up yet since I ordered about a week ago. Here is the website you can go to to order.

    http://www.hongfu-bikes.com/Products.asp?Id=453

    Email them or chat on MSN with Jenny. She is very helpful and will get you what you need. DaChosenOne also ordered from Jenny so the bike should be close to the same. Good luck.

  124. #524
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    1,782
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311
    Buy from China... CRUSH THE AMERICAN DREAM



    RIP democracy, some dudes are buying things from other countries.

    Looking for some special attention, are we?

  125. #525
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    Quote Originally Posted by Intense01
    I ordered mine from Jenny. It still hasn't shown up yet since I ordered about a week ago. Here is the website you can go to to order.

    http://www.hongfu-bikes.com/Products.asp?Id=453

    Email them or chat on MSN with Jenny. She is very helpful and will get you what you need. DaChosenOne also ordered from Jenny so the bike should be close to the same. Good luck.

    Awsome! I will get on the chat with her then. Please post up once yours arrives...

  126. #526
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    Well I just noticed it doesn't have the internal routing... kinda a deal breaker. I need to find the one with the internal routing and rear brake brace.

  127. #527
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    48
    Well, coming from a Military member, being payed probably less than the factory workers making these things; I'd love to pick up one of these if I could see one in person first. The US of A doesnt pay it's military well enough to be a die hard "live here, buy here" shopper.

  128. #528
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    lt bike on alibaba has them with internal routing
    Josh

  129. #529
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    1,782
    Quote Originally Posted by KTrain40
    Well, coming from a Military member, being payed probably less than the factory workers making these things; I'd love to pick up one of these if I could see one in person first. The US of A doesnt pay it's military well enough to be a die hard "live here, buy here" shopper.
    Wow... I know when I joined the military no one had a gun pointed to my head making me do so. No one is going to stand around and give you a pat on the back and a trophy for everything you do in life. It's called building character. The pay may suck so just get out when your time is up... If you don't want to buy American then it is a personal choice but don't blame it on the service. 5-10 years after you get out all you will remember are the good times.

  130. #530
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    Quote Originally Posted by emp?
    lt bike on alibaba has them with internal routing
    Yeah but how do you order from them and get a real price?

  131. #531
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    Quote Originally Posted by subspd
    Yeah but how do you order from them and get a real price?
    create an account and email them, tell them what you want, normal or bb30, the frame size carbon type, 3k 12k or UD and the finish you want
    they also have an intergrated seatpost option
    and they will email you back a price
    Josh

  132. #532
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Mountain Cycle Shawn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,752
    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA
    Wow... I know when I joined the military no one had a gun pointed to my head making me do so. No one is going to stand around and give you a pat on the back and a trophy for everything you do in life. It's called building character. The pay may suck so just get out when your time is up... If you don't want to buy American then it is a personal choice but don't blame it on the service. 5-10 years after you get out all you will remember are the good times.
    +100% on that.

  133. #533
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    124
    Mina at Deng-Fu has internal routing on both derailleurs and the rear break.

    I recently asked and she said it will work with the hydraulic brakes.

    The caliper sits on the chainstay, not the seatstay. It seems that's becoming more common as there is less vibration. The whole point of the brace when the caliper is on the seatstay is to transfer it to the chainstay. Not probably needed when the caliper is mounted on the chainstay.

  134. #534
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    563
    Quote Originally Posted by KTrain40
    Well, coming from a Military member, being payed probably less than the factory workers making these things; I'd love to pick up one of these if I could see one in person first. The US of A doesnt pay it's military well enough to be a die hard "live here, buy here" shopper.
    :facepalm:

    chinese factory workers get $160 a month (up from $110 a month last year)

    sounds like you should be thankful the military employs YOU.
    The mountains are calling and I must go

  135. #535
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    cost of living in china is nothing like the western world...
    Josh

  136. #536
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    69
    Can we get back on track, otherwise you guys can create another thread about all your different oppinions will all respect of course.

    Im ordering a frame from LT Bike today, the one with the internal brakerouting. It will go with a Lefty XLR 29er and other sweet parts. Ill post pics and weight of the frame, as soon as it arrives.

    Cheers

  137. #537
    singletrack bound
    Reputation: Tone No Balone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    2,856
    had a santa cruz highball 29er frame in my hands yesterday, 2.45lbs. turned it over and under the BB "made in china". 1800.00 frame only.
    just sayin.

  138. #538
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbitized
    Can we get back on track, otherwise you guys can create another thread about all your different oppinions will all respect of course.

    Im ordering a frame from LT Bike today, the one with the internal brakerouting. It will go with a Lefty XLR 29er and other sweet parts. Ill post pics and weight of the frame, as soon as it arrives.

    Cheers
    Are you having it painted?

  139. #539
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    Is this the one you guys are ordering?

    Does it have a tapered head tube?

  140. #540
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    69
    Yes thats the one im ordering. And yes it is with a tapered headtube.

    UD with a clear coat, a friend also ordered one, but with the raw finish. He wants to paint it himself.

  141. #541
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    Can you PM me what it cost shipped?

  142. #542
    ballbuster
    Reputation: pimpbot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    12,717
    Oh man! I'm starting to get hawt for one of these frames. If I get one, I'm going to have it painted (gel coated?) and do this motif on her:



    I love Matisse, and have always thought how cool it would be to re-create Icarus on it.

  143. #543
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    Well I got this email from LTbikes on their carbon bike. Alisa emailed me back about the brakes and this is what she said. "It's for disc brakes with inner cables".

    Anyone have any idea what that means?

  144. #544
    Map Maker
    Reputation: cbchess's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    1,244
    sounds like you can route the cables internally
    Richmond, VA
    Ra-MORE mtb club

  145. #545
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    69
    Yeah, its just brakelines with internal routing. Ive seen a similar frame here in Denmark and it looks nice and neat. You need to remove rear caliber from the hose to fit the brakes.

  146. #546
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    111
    internal cable routing

  147. #547
    mtbr member
    Reputation: connolm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    687
    Quick questions: What's the difference between the carbon weaves? (3K, 12K, UD)

    And how do you route the cables internally? I would think it would be pretty hard to snake a cable in one end and find the hole at the other? Is there a guide track or something?

  148. #548
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    the holes are connected by a guiding tube.

    3k, 12k, ud is just cosmetic, all frames are the same, the top layer differs.

  149. #549
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    3G gas that tight weave that you see most common.
    12k is the broad weave that is less common.
    UD is just plain carbon in color with no top layer. Think Niner carbon or Easton carbon.

  150. #550
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    My question is... Is the internal routing big enough to work with hydraulic discs.

  151. #551
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    oh course, they are in alloy slugs moulded into the frame and can be drilled out larger if you need to
    Josh

  152. #552
    mtbr member
    Reputation: two-one's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    671
    Quote Originally Posted by subspd
    My question is... Is the internal routing big enough to work with hydraulic discs.
    I'm running hayes strokers on mine, and they fit perfectly. You do have to cut off the needle insert, and reinstall a new one in order to run the brakelines.

    Also, remember that the hose-routing goes by the bottom bracket, so make sure you have enough hose-length! (mine were almost too short)

  153. #553
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,135
    http://www.storckbicycle.com/usa/ind...&s=carbonfiber

    imho and don't quote me but: 12k or (UD depends design process and type used) could be very slightly stiffer ride and maybe more impact resistant ride via the cosmetic layer. Most important is the expertise of the personnel in the process of doing the internal layups in the molds and in the bonding. So that is possibly where standards could be important and what could "possibly" matter when you don't buy direct. (Of course if a company actually has their own carbon fiber bike design factory..still....)

    here is interesting read on umh or hm (internal) carbon fiber. If I remember correctly when they say stuff like ultra high modulus it really means that a very small % of the material has these supporting layups in it.

    So watch out when you read this hm or uhm frame marketing stuff on alibabal.

    http://www.carbonframerepair.com/index.php/technical/
    http://www.2009tourdefrancenews.com/...65-1-P,00.html
    http://www.calfeedesign.com/tech-pap...-carbon-fiber/
    Last edited by ghawk; 05-21-2011 at 05:38 AM.

  154. #554
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    3,493
    Interesting read. Hi modulus marketing baloney has been going on since the first carbon[ Graphite] tennis rackets.
    Interesting to note one of the articles has T700 is a ho hum std modulus fiber. There's more ho hum than that.
    The aerospace industry has used for the past 30+ years T300 fiber.Before the 787 T700 was rare because it uses 12K tows. Most aerospace is 3k.
    So modulus is not that relevant and std modulus is more than strong enough as you can modify your layup composition to allow for different fiber tensile modulus.

    The R&D goes in to getting best ride quality vs strength. Do they hit the spot on overall ride quality rather than just stiffness?
    I've had T700 carbon bars that were much stiffer and took out less trail shock than alloy bars. Hated them.
    I think the Hong-fu 29er is a nice looking frame. Unless they really got it wrong the weight is a good indication it should be strong enough.
    If you want a AM carbon frame then you should be looking at something about 1500 to 1600 g and bypass these frames.
    Last edited by gvs_nz; 05-21-2011 at 06:09 PM.

  155. #555
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    A few pictures of my gotobike frame:




    Received 4 frames, 3 are within the quoted tolerance of ~1280gr (±30gr), one is 1228 (with 4 bottle cage bolts included).

  156. #556
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Intense01's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    40
    Looks nice and the weight seems great. I can't wait to get mine in. Jenny from Hong Fu said that they should be shipping out soon.

  157. #557
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    Thanks so much for posting up. I just wish they had the internal cable routing. The weight is not bad at all. I thought they had tapered head tubes but it doesn't look like it from the pics...

  158. #558
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    it is tapered. 41.8 top, 52mm bottom, integrated 45/45 campy standard.

    i am waiting on a reducer crown race from niner and i'll be able to build it. the whole bike is unridable because of a $7 part and USPS being slow, it drives me nuts.

    i think they will start doing the internal cables too, i am waiting for an answer on that. if they do i will get matte UD next time.

    there already is another frame out there that has internal cable routing but it is not the 16/17.5/19 from hongfu/gotobike, it is 16/18/20 and i have no idea what the geometry and weight is like on that. it has the same headset though, but no brace and the brake mount is on the chainstay. it can be found in several places:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/29er-3k-full-Car...item25641f9901

    http://ltbike.en.alibaba.com/product...e_LTK023_.html

    LT-Bike just came out with an integrated seatpost version too.
    Last edited by syl3; 05-26-2011 at 02:57 PM.

  159. #559
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Mountain Cycle Shawn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,752
    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    A few pictures of my gotobike frame:




    Received 4 frames, 3 are within the quoted tolerance of ~1280gr (±30gr), one is 1228 (with 4 bottle cage bolts included).
    What are you going to do with the other 3 frames?

  160. #560
    singletrack bound
    Reputation: Tone No Balone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    2,856
    I have been following this thread but didn't notice any mention of 29er SS specific frames? I see they have horizontal dropouts on their track bikes. Tensioners molded into frame?

  161. #561
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    16
    I have one and it rocks! My normal rig is a Niner Sir9 SS so it only made sense to spec it out as a 1x10 on a budget. Frame is stiff and quick out of the corners. I love how it soaks up small bumps and rattles that you would normally feel. Only been out on it 3 times since majority of the trails in Australia have been closed since the start of the year. Now I can't say that I've been on any of the big brand carbon frames but for $600 a pop, this frame is pretty damn good.

  162. #562
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    What are you going to do with the other 3 frames?
    they are going on the German ebay to offset some of my postage costs

  163. #563
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    I just got an email from gotobike, they don't have a new version of the MTB753 with internal routing

    They will offer the same internal cable frame that everyone else has but apparently in different sizes, 17/19/21.

    It is called MTB854 and it's not on their site yet but they have some in stock already with BB30.

    for pricing you can email Cherry at [email protected]





    Here's the geometry from LT-Bike LTK023.

    It is the same as gotobike MTB854 but in 16/18/20.

    So it looks like if you want internal cable routing you're in luck, the frame sizes come in very small increments.

    Don't you love the free market?

    Last edited by syl3; 05-27-2011 at 01:34 AM.

  164. #564
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    527
    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    it is tapered. 41.8 top, 52mm bottom, integrated 45/45 campy standard.
    Do you know if they sell reducer 1"1/8 top and bottom headsets that will fit?

    If not, can you suggest something widely available? I hate to order the frame, and wind up without a rideable bike because of the headset.

  165. #565
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    I just wrote about that a little further up on the page. They cannot supply the reducer from China, all the companies i talked to barely understood what that meant.

    2010 Niner wfo9, rip9, jet9 have the same type of integrated headset, so i bought a Niner reducer crown race. In a few days when it arives i will post some pictures here and confirm if it's working or not.

    I assume the cane creek reducer crown race would work too, since the angle is different only on the top of the bearing and not the bottom.

  166. #566
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    After more study of the internal cable frames it look like the ETT is about the same on the gotobike 17/19 and the LT 18/20. So that would make a total of 4 sizes available, with the LT 16 being the smallest and the gotobike 21" the largest.

    Also, gotobike has a curved seat tube and down tube in the bb junction area, and they claim MTB854 is lighter than their MTB753, around 1080gr for 17", whereas the people that already bought the LT said that LTK023 and MTB753 are about the same, around 1280.
    Last edited by syl3; 05-27-2011 at 02:04 AM.

  167. #567
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    27
    My new LTK023 16inch frame is just to come, it is now in the customs office. As soon as I get it I will post some pics...

  168. #568
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    my LTK023 weighed in at 1224gr for a 20"
    Josh

  169. #569
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    69
    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    my LTK023 weighed in at 1224gr for a 20"
    sweet

    Can you post some pics, very interested in seeing some closeups of the frame.

  170. #570
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    ill get some photos up soon, just waiting on homebrew chainring and beer BB for it
    Josh

  171. #571
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Phil335's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    592
    I just got my Carbon road frame from Hong Fu after a long wait. 12K Matte finish, BB30, internal cable routing. It looks sick and the quality is great. Now to build it up!

  172. #572
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    527
    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    ill get some photos up soon, just waiting on homebrew chainring and beer BB for it
    Are the axle droputs out of carbon or have metal inserts?

  173. #573
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    carbon, no idea whats under it, probably alloy lugs at a guess
    Josh

  174. #574
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    Quote Originally Posted by Goran_injo View Post
    Are the axle droputs out of carbon or have metal inserts?
    I don't know about the LTK but my gotobike has an alloy insert in the middle, it is not very thick maybe a third of the total dropout width.

    I hope i remember to take a picture the next time i'm down in the garage.

  175. #575
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    1,449
    I need a big frame, so the 21 inch MTB854 from goto seems like my best option. Although even the 630mm ETT is about 20mm shorter than I'd really like. It seems a little odd to me that most the "real" frames from bike brands include a true XL option w/ > 25 inch ETT, but none of the "cheap" Chinese direct-from-factory options are that large.

    Another reason I'm leaning 854 is the 753 looks like it is designed around an 80mm fork, whereas the 854 is for 100mm fork.

    A question: what is the seat tube angle on the MTB854? I can see a 68 degree notation on the drawing for the chanistay/seattube angle, but I can't find any reference to the horizontal-to-seattube angle, nor can I find a way to compute it from numbers shown.

  176. #576
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    1,449
    Answered my own question: 73 deg seattube angle on the MTB854.

    It is noted at the top, under the effective top tube line.

  177. #577
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    527
    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    I don't know about the LTK but my gotobike has an alloy insert in the middle, it is not very thick maybe a third of the total dropout width.

    I hope i remember to take a picture the next time i'm down in the garage.
    Yep. Seen it somewhat on your pic of the gotobike-honshu. I am guessing LTbike hasn't got inserts based on all the pics I saw so far.

    Not sure it makes any difference on the durability side though- haven't owned a carbon frame before, but remenber I saw metal droputs on all carbon frames before.

  178. #578
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    Seen it somewhat on your pic of the gotobike-honshu.
    Yeah i didn't notice that this pic already captured the metal insert... you can clearly see the sandwich structure of the dropout if you zoom in.



    Not sure it makes any difference on the durability side though- haven't owned a carbon frame before, but remenber I saw metal droputs on all carbon frames before.
    My 26" scott scale certainly did not have metal inserts in the dropouts... and not even under the seatpost clamp.
    Didn't seem to affect the durability at all.

  179. #579
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    17
    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    I just got an email from gotobike, they don't have a new version of the MTB753 with internal routing

    They will offer the same internal cable frame that everyone else has but apparently in different sizes, 17/19/21.

    It is called MTB854 and it's not on their site yet but they have some in stock already with BB30.

    for pricing you can email Cherry at [email protected]





    Here's the geometry from LT-Bike LTK023.

    It is the same as gotobike MTB854 but in 16/18/20.

    So it looks like if you want internal cable routing you're in luck, the frame sizes come in very small increments.

    Don't you love the free market?

    Can you tell me, this eccentric adapter fits this frame?
    https://beercomponents.com/?page_id=31
    and i need 68mm or 73mm wide shell?

  180. #580
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    yeah i hope it does as I got one on order
    its a 68mm shell, i waited till i got the frame before i ordered from beer
    Josh

  181. #581
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    I can finally confirm that the Niner Reducer Crown Race works great with the headset, so running non-tapered forks is trivial.

    Thanks to the great guys at Niner who sent me this critical part for my build.

    Sadly, the headset supplied by gotobike, Token Omega-III, is a clone of the FSA Orbit C-40. Just like the other FSA integrated headset that i am running on my 26" Cube Sting fully, there is absolutely no seal below the lower bearing, so you will be getting cracking and popping from the headset if you run in any kind of wet weather.

    I would like to try something better from Cane Creek, sadly their bearings are 36/45, does anyone know if this crown race would fit the FSA bearings?

    http://store.canecreek.com/products/....98507.0?pp=8&

  182. #582
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    my ltk23 uses 36/45 bearings
    Josh

  183. #583
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dictatorsaurus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    2,664
    Anyone has pictures of the gotobike MTB854 frame?

  184. #584
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,135
    IMHO, something that has been discussed on this forum is group buying.
    I think it is the way to go.
    Last edited by ghawk; 05-31-2011 at 12:40 PM.

  185. #585
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    Anyone has pictures of the gotobike MTB854 frame?
    They do not sell those to individuals or group buys, only people with a busines licence who agree not to disclose the price on the internet, not to resell to Norway or Netherladnds (exclusive deals already in place), and who will not sell to the final consumer under $1500.

    LT-Bike is the way to go if you want a cheap 29er carbon frame with internal routing.

  186. #586
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    124
    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    They do not sell those to individuals or group buys, only people with a busines licence who agree not to disclose the price on the internet, not to resell to Norway or Netherladnds (exclusive deals already in place), and who will not sell to the final consumer under $1500.

    LT-Bike is the way to go if you want a cheap 29er carbon frame with internal routing.
    What about Deng-Fu? Their offering seems nice & much less expensive, probably the way I'm going to go. I was quoted $390 for the frame.

    I am probably going to go with them as I had good luck ordering my carbon road frame/fork from them. Their frame has internal shifters & rear brake routing.

    -Steve in NJ

  187. #587
    mtbr member
    Reputation: whizzkidd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    21
    I picked up a MTB854 from gotobike, and other than them shipping me the wrong finish, the frame is beautiful, and lighter than stated. I got a 21" and it's only 2.44 lbs!

    I'm documenting the build up of the frame on my site if anyone's interested. Should be interesting!
    Last edited by whizzkidd; 05-31-2011 at 01:45 PM. Reason: added info

  188. #588
    bike tester
    Reputation: syl3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,269
    Quote Originally Posted by Satanpez View Post
    What about Deng-Fu? Their offering seems nice & much less expensive, probably the way I'm going to go. I was quoted $390 for the frame.

    I am probably going to go with them as I had good luck ordering my carbon road frame/fork from them. Their frame has internal shifters & rear brake routing.

    -Steve in NJ
    deng fu and lt bike sell the same frame from the same source, just like gotobike and hong fu...
    i guess the only way to choose is who you like talking to.

  189. #589
    bicycle rider
    Reputation: morganfletcher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    2,718
    Quote Originally Posted by whizzkidd View Post
    I picked up a MTB854 from gotobike, and other than them shipping me the wrong finish, the frame is beautiful, and lighter than stated. I got a 21" and it's only 2.44 lbs!
    Hey, that's the size I'm looking for. Send pics? Is it built? How's it fit? How tall are you?

    So many questions,

    Morgan

  190. #590
    mtbr member
    Reputation: whizzkidd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    21
    Quote Originally Posted by morganfletcher View Post
    Hey, that's the size I'm looking for. Send pics? Is it built? How's it fit? How tall are you?

    So many questions,

    Morgan
    It's not built yet, I'm gathering parts, So I can't speak to the fit either. I'm 6'3", 180 lbs.
    I edited the post above so people can follow the build on my site if they like. I'm excited. If you want just pics, then see my flickr stream.

  191. #591
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Mountain Cycle Shawn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,752
    Quote Originally Posted by whizzkidd View Post
    I picked up a MTB854 from gotobike, and other than them shipping me the wrong finish, the frame is beautiful, and lighter than stated. I got a 21" and it's only 2.44 lbs!

    I'm documenting the build up of the frame on my site if anyone's interested. Should be interesting!
    Could you document the build here or in a new thread? It's easier for us to follow and brings more traffic to MTBR.com.

  192. #592
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dictatorsaurus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    2,664
    I've been emailing back and forth with Deng Fu but there's a language barrier and I'm hesistant ordering through them even though their frame has internal cable routing. I would feel more comfortable going through Hung Fu.

  193. #593
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Intense01's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    40
    I ordered a matte carbon 12k finish frame from Jenny at Hong Fu on May 13th. She keeps delaying the ship date. Anyone else ever experience this with them? She said I would have it by the end of May and now she says it won't ship until the 6th. IT isn't a huge deal but I don't want my Paypal refund window to close if I don't get what I ordered.

    Anyone who has ordered from Jenny please chime in. Thank you.

  194. #594
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    7
    Last year I ordered a road and mountain frame from Hongfu, Jenny quoted me a three month wait for the frames since I had requested bb30 and uni carbon finish. In the end it was about three and a half months for the frames. Since you ordered on the 13th and they've pushed the ship date back until the 6th, I wouldn't worry too much. You should be well within your paypal window, plus the shipping from China was really fast. Cheers

  195. #595
    mtbr member
    Reputation: emp?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    173
    http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/31088...tbike?h=1f7579

    few photos of how mine is coming along
    Josh

  196. #596
    mtbr member
    Reputation: subspd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,007
    Very nice!

  197. #597
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    637
    Nice. Looks like plenty of clearance for the Racing Ralph
    Lapierre XR29ei, Chris King LB Carbon, XTR 1 X 10
    Planet X Dirty Harry
    Chiner 29er SS

  198. #598
    AZ
    AZ is offline
    banned
    Reputation: AZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    19,198
    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/31088...tbike?h=1f7579

    few photos of how mine is coming along


    Nicely done, looks like plenty of room for the rear tire,

  199. #599
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    29
    Quote Originally Posted by Intense01 View Post
    I ordered a matte carbon 12k finish frame from Jenny at Hong Fu on May 13th. She keeps delaying the ship date. Anyone else ever experience this with them? She said I would have it by the end of May and now she says it won't ship until the 6th. IT isn't a huge deal but I don't want my Paypal refund window to close if I don't get what I ordered.

    Anyone who has ordered from Jenny please chime in. Thank you.
    FYI: I ordered one about a week ago and also received the 6th as a ship date So it appears likely that they have a batch of frames finishing up and shipping out.

  200. #600
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    29

    Good job! Jenny - Customer Responsiveness

    I would also like to affirm DaChosenOne and others who have commented regarding Jenny and her responsiveness. I have received replies to all of my inquiries within 24 hours and more typically within 8 hours.

Page 3 of 50 FirstFirst 123456713 ... LastLast

Members who have read this thread: 469

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

THE SITE

ABOUT MTBR

VISIT US AT

© Copyright 2020 VerticalScope Inc. All rights reserved.