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    Quote Originally Posted by dancruz
    Ok does any body have one? Are you man enough to tell us it was a mistake? Or that you just wasted 500 bucks....or are you are going to keep it secret...or you just saved 1200 bucks over a niner frame.....or.....or....Tell them to make one like the Tallboy...I will buy one for sure....
    I have one and I enjoy it. I will post a review shortly.

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    Hell my Air 9 Carbon was made in China so I say go for it and save yourself a couple bucks. I've seen a couple in person and ridden with guys that have them and they're NICE! By the way, they're lighter than the A9C too!
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    Pretty good story in the Durango Herald today about Chinese bike manufacturing.

    http://www.durangoherald.com/article...2269920/Spokes

    Relevant enough to this thread....

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    The fun lasted for about 34 miles...

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    That didn't take long.....hmmmm.
    But...how was it for those 34 miles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-bar
    The fun lasted for about 34 miles...

    did you ever get it warrantied?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider
    site says 700 british pounds. ?
    Target price for the Lurcher is £500, about $700 in the US without the VAT.

    The Carbon 29er Race is £800 with a pre-order special at £700
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma
    That is for the carbon race frame and includes VAT.

    Target price for the Lurcher is 500 GBP (including VAT I assume)

    The Lurcher is 200gr heavier and has sliding dropouts for geared or SS use.
    The Lurcher uses Swapouts, our replaceable dropouts. They are not sliders. You can choose between vertical dropouts and horizontal/track tip ones. Each has an integrated disc mount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    and tires.
    Specialized does not own any tire factories. Their tires are made by contract manufacturers, just as are WTB, Bontrager, Ritchey, Notubes, Intense, and even some models of tires from companies that does have their own factories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-bar
    The fun lasted for about 34 miles...

    Whoa that sucks I am going to Check mine again.
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    something to consider about the warranty.

    1) It was suggested that I continue riding it until it gets worse. There is no telling when it will fail, but it's cracked carbon on the driveside chainstay. It WILL fail.
    2) They said I could cover it with a black oil- WTF?
    3) After several conversation, they said I could send it back for inspection. Ok fair enough, but it will cost me $200+ to ship it back and there is no guarantee that they will replace it. The pictures alone are not enough for them to replace. If they don't see a need to replace then I will be forced to pay freight back. Judging by their initial response, I would not trust any repair they would do and do I really want to ride another one of their frames? Do I really want to spend half the value of the frame to replace it? Money is really not the issue for me, I just could have put the $600 towards a better frame with more support in the first place. Lesson learned, but I knew that going in so I'm really not bitter at the situation.
    4) Let's say it rode as good as ANY carbon frame, why bother if it doesn't last. Maybe I got a bad apple so I wish the best of luck to anyone else that has one. I'll say this, I REALLY don't like the rear drop out in carbon. Clamping directly to carbon is never good idea.
    5) IMO- Anyone daring enough to ride their carbon fork better have good dental coverage. I would only get a REAL Niner fork.

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    Shiggy what does the Lurcher weigh at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Shiggy what does the Lurcher weigh at?
    Claimed 1300gm Twenty Nine Inches did a write up on this and the carbon race 29"er here: http://twentynineinches.com/2010/11/...-carbon-29ers/
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-bar
    something to consider about the warranty.

    1) It was suggested that I continue riding it until it gets worse. There is no telling when it will fail, but it's cracked carbon on the driveside chainstay. It WILL fail.
    2) They said I could cover it with a black oil- WTF?
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    It's not clear in the pic you provide if there's a scratch or a crack and it sounds like they feel the same way. Perhaps if there's a better angle that shows a crack you might get a better result. Carbon gets surface scratches easily.

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    Doesn't look like a typical carbon crack especially as it is not in the direction of fiber lay up. Looks more like a scratch of the resin or clear coat? Typically in that area most of the load goes through the inner chain stay area.

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    just going by the what the pic looks like i would have to agree that it "looks" like a top coat crack. there might be more top coat at the ends of a leg or area because it tends to stack up in there while drying.

    the top coat is more of a sealant than structural strength. it is a very thin layer and done after the layup has been done. think of it as a clear coat for paint. maybe thats why the factory suggested more riding to see if it would crack more or deeper.
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    Taking a look at where we are headed trying to get an reasonably priced carbon 29er hardtail in the USA, I would have to say the the soon to be announced performance Acess Carbon 29er is a good option.
    Most of the bikes mentioned above you have to ship back to the UK or China, or deal with a dealer to have warranty issues addressed and most would be reluctant to give your money back to you after a fair amount of time..
    With the Access you simply take it back to a Performance store and get your money back if you don't like the way the product performed (including carbon failure issues), for the life of the product. (Perf satisfaction guarantee)

    Even better than Spec, Trek, etc.....cause....allot more reasonably priced considering the economy and our hard earned dollars. (something the bike market has not really understood in these tough times.)

    just 1 sense worth.
    The fun lasted for about 34 miles...
    Ps, doesn't look like a crack to me, but it could be. Did you try to flex test say like by (removing wheel of course) pulling the dropouts together and see if you get any separation there. (if you see where i'm going)
    Maybe email the photos to Calfee carbon repair service and have them take a look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-bar
    The fun lasted for about 34 miles...
    Is it possible that it is just a clear coat or trhe finish that is cracked? This happens often in carbon applications (in other than bicycle frames too) and does not always effect the stability or integrity of the carbon itself.

    I think that is one of the difficult things about carbon is detecting what is structural and what is not... BTW, I'm on 3 carbon bikes these days, 2 MTB, one road...
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    Make sure to put something on it to seal it. I had some scratches on my carbon fiber road bike from snapping a chain and my dealer said that raw carbon exposed to air will weaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiknBob
    Make sure to put something on it to seal it. I had some scratches on my carbon fiber road bike from snapping a chain and my dealer said that raw carbon exposed to air will weaken.
    And you have been lied to.
    But...water, dirt and chemicals could be a long term problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiknBob
    Make sure to put something on it to seal it. I had some scratches on my carbon fiber road bike from snapping a chain and my dealer said that raw carbon exposed to air will weaken.
    Not true. Scratches are not a big deal at all unless they go through to the raw carbon. That's what the clearcoat is there for. Most scratches like that are purely cosmetic.

    However, if you have a big chunk of the clearcoat missing, then if something else hits the same place it'll do a lot more damage to the raw carbon, so it just makes sense to patch those up when you can, and use that clear 3m 'helicopter tape' to protect the areas that will get dinged a lot.

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    Actually, now that I think about it, he said UV from sunlight hitting the raw carbon was bad. I had deep gouges all the way through the clearcoat. I found some graphite paint that matched pretty well.

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    you all might like this...
    Some Swiss company is selling what looks like the same bikes

    http://www.zaboobikes.com/beta/terra29_frame.html

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    Interesting business model - they tack on $200 for an unbranded frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Precab
    My GOTO China 29er arrived this week. Looks in perfect order as I too have ridden a 26" carbon from China without issues. I could buy 3 from China for the savings. Dam holiday travel this week will postpone my build. Was $550 to the door delivered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrphy
    you all might like this...
    Some Swiss company is selling what looks like the same bikes

    http://www.zaboobikes.com/beta/terra29_frame.html
    It's got to be the same bike... Got this from "Jenny" at Hongfu a couple days ago! Told no stock on the 16" for 25-30days
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    This FF-BF03 is not a 29er but it is chinese carbon, and so far so good. So far I have been able to complete two cross races and a few MTB rides. It's working well. It was ordered with BB30 bottom bracket and I am using and eccentric for BB30 in conjunction with the Chris King PBB009 Bottom bracket spacer kit. 20.65lbs.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellav8ted
    This was probably made in China

    I hope that thing is gonna show up with a HECK OF A LOT MORE seatstay bridge to tire clearance. The frame looks really nice.

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    Captain Beer - thanks for the info on the BB30 adapter! That make the BB30 spec much more versatile to be able to run a regular crank with eccentric options or a BB30 crank normally.

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    Now that is what Im looking for. What is the geometry and would you mind measuring the effective/horizontal top tube length?

    Quote Originally Posted by captain-beer
    This FF-BF03 is not a 29er but it is chinese carbon, and so far so good. So far I have been able to complete two cross races and a few MTB rides. It's working well. It was ordered with BB30 bottom bracket and I am using and eccentric for BB30 in conjunction with the Chris King PBB009 Bottom bracket spacer kit. 20.65lbs.





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    If you got money to spend on this. Go for it. If you worry about warranty, ride it easy and pick the right trail for it. I like the gamble concept on this. Its growing on me.

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    I have the opposite opinion of j69nx, life's too short to ride a POS.

    Warranty is less of a concern to me than safety. Riding is dangerous enough without the possibility of having a frame or component fail. When that sort of thing used to happen fairly regularly "back in the day", I've crashed enough times from product failures to know that I don't want to risk it for the sake of a few hundred bucks (or even more).
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleven-yo
    I have the opposite opinion of j69nx, life's too short to ride a POS.

    Warranty is less of a concern to me than safety. Riding is dangerous enough without the possibility of having a frame or component fail. When that sort of thing used to happen fairly regularly "back in the day", I've crashed enough times from product failures to know that I don't want to risk it for the sake of a few hundred bucks (or even more).
    Then you should never buy a Fisher is your worrying about breaking stuff.

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    Hallo,
    does anyone know something about any chinese carbon 29er rims?

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    FF-BF03 Frame Geometry - Effective TT is 589.4mm


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    Quote Originally Posted by savo
    Hallo,
    does anyone know something about any chinese carbon 29er rims?
    someone posted about them on the wheels forum once. If i recall, when the guy got them, the weight was a good bit more than what was advertised, and he had some issues with the customer service.

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    newsflash

    Quote Originally Posted by o0obruceleeo0o
    the weight was a good bit more than what was advertised, and issues with the customer service.
    i'm shocked
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    Huh! Great! It works like niner's bio-centric (although the offset is obviously smaller) .
    And I was wondering what benefits the BB30 has to offer ???
    More frame options for SS without ugly chain tensioner!
    Can it be used with 73mm wide bb and how much does it cost? I can't find it, at the link.

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    Been riding the Goto China frame for 3 rides SS. Built stiff wheels with 29chubs and as an XC rider of 10 years, I am impressed. I am 225lbs and will report any issues. Pics in the prior post are exact match. Even if this breaks in a year for 550 delivered (bought 2) it is money well spent. 5"11 is the largest size that would feel comfortable on the 17.5". I am 5'10 riding 110 stem as the final choice.

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    great to hear precab
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    Any more news on these frames. Are they out yet, do they have 19 inch frames yet, and what do you guys think, will these frames last a lifetime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeGrazing
    Any more news on these frames. Are they out yet, do they have 19 inch frames yet, and what do you guys think, will these frames last a lifetime?

    As you'll likely be riding it when it fails, it might end your life and therefore of lasted about 5seconds short of a life time


    No frames last a life time the way carbon works I'd personally replace with how much I ride/ my weight, every 2 years, I replace my Alu frames every 3 years though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeGrazing
    Any more news on these frames. Are they out yet, do they have 19 inch frames yet, and what do you guys think, will these frames last a lifetime?
    hahaha lifetime....i think not...
    i have about 350miles on mine but i dont like the geo going back to a steel frame....great deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrphy
    you all might like this...
    Some Swiss company is selling what looks like the same bikes

    http://www.zaboobikes.com/beta/terra29_frame.html

    These sure look like Axman, GoToBike, HongFu, etc, with someones "brand" name painted on them.
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    Links to these 29er frames? e-hongfu bikes don't seem to have them?

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    Can someone explain the difference between 3k, 12k and UD, and the benefits of each. Pics would be helpful too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeschn
    Can someone explain the difference between 3k, 12k and UD, and the benefits of each. Pics would be helpful too!

    Thanks,

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    These guys can:
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    That's perfect. Thanks...

    Mikey

    p.s. fixed the link for you here: http://www.storckbicycle.com/usa/ind...&s=carbonfiber

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    Looking at the length of the HT on the Go To bike on the first page, your not gonna be able to run a tapered Rock Shox fork on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeschn
    That's perfect. Thanks...

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    p.s. fixed the link for you here: http://www.storckbicycle.com/usa/ind...&s=carbonfiber
    That page is really peculiar and unhelpful unless, I suppose, you are buying a Storck product. For everyone else, the difference between these weaves is strictly aesthetic since it only applies to the cosmetic outer layer used for the part. The Storck page shows you what they will look like, nothing else.

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    quite i would like to know who purchased teh frames from either of the chinese companies of which version of weave you went for and why?

    also started a thread like this on pinkbike as have been considering one of these cost effective frames.

    adding to this would the said frames take a tripple clamp front suspension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17
    hahaha lifetime....i think not...
    i have about 350miles on mine but i dont like the geo going back to a steel frame....great deal
    What about the geometry did you dislike? Were any of the measurements on the geometry schematic significantly off?

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    I have just received my frame today from www.gotobike.com.cn.
    Matt carbon instead of the gloss originally proposed.
    The finish looks good to my eyes, now let's see how does it ride.
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    I forgot: 1220gr (2,6 Lbs aprox) in my scale

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuflektor
    I forgot: 1220gr (2,6 Lbs aprox) in my scale
    after you get it built up take note that the cable guides are sharp... i cut my leg on the left side and ripped my shorts on the right side ones...

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuflektor
    I forgot: 1220gr (2,6 Lbs aprox) in my scale
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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17
    after you get it built up take note that the cable guides are sharp... i cut my leg on the left side and ripped my shorts on the right side ones...
    Thanks Mellowme17, I'll do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuflektor
    I forgot: 1220gr (2,6 Lbs aprox) in my scale
    I actually really like the look of that frame. Is it 3k or 12k weave? How much did it cost? I can't really find any pricing or how to order on their site, their English, it not so good.
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    that one pictured is 12k weave. I dig the UD carbon looks really cool
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    love that can any one tell me if the frame would take tripple clamps or would this over stress the frame as i have a set of marzoci bombers on my current ali framed mtb, or would i have to change to regular type suspension front forks?

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrzejbubez
    love that can any one tell me if the frame would take tripple clamps or would this over stress the frame as i have a set of marzoci bombers on my current ali framed mtb, or would i have to change to regular type suspension front forks?

    cheers
    Overkill.

    But if you use the FRAME as intended (light XC) and not the FORK (downhill/freeride) I am willing to be that you should be fine. But I would stress using the frame for its purpose not the other way around.

    You would also negate having a light bike with such heavy forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan_d
    Overkill.

    But if you use the FRAME as intended (light XC) and not the FORK (downhill/freeride) I am willing to be that you should be fine. But I would stress using the frame for its purpose not the other way around.

    You would also negate having a light bike with such heavy forks.

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    my current ali setup ok isnt a 29ner but its not that heavy either and im not a heavy downhiller or off roader as the traks i go on are like dry mud roads / paths through wooded areas etc so no big air if at all etc just ride to enjoy and keep fit

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    If you are looking at this frame (29er) then you need a new fork anyway since your old triple clamp is for a 26er. Bite the bullet and buy a fork at the same time you buy the frame. Sounds like you need a whole bunch of new parts anyway.
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    Matt finish is great, way better that gloss.

    I think that 3k finish (that's is proposed as option) will be great too.

    But definitely Matt UD finish has to look damn cool!!

    Anyway: How about tyre clearance of the frame? And fork? Spedition time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17
    after you get it built up take note that the cable guides are sharp... i cut my leg on the left side and ripped my shorts on the right side ones...
    Ouch. Are they bolted/riveted on, or eboxy'd on?

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    still looking at a 26er really as then i can use all my existing parts as the majority of these chinese companies produce some mtb frames with both disc and v brake mounts which yes because my bike is 12 years old still has v brakes but they are shimano XTR non the lesss :P
    so the thought is buy the 26er with backward compatability and then put all my current bits on and then upgrade furhter still when funds allow.

    on another site some were saying that tripple clamps would over stress the frame and in addition not have much travel so basically create an issue with the new frame, unless i upgraded to regular suspension forks ie single post version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bricke
    Matt finish is great, way better that gloss.
    matt looks nice but goes all shiny where you rub on it.

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    how much, if its half the price of On One then will consider buying one

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    Quote Originally Posted by bricke
    Matt finish is great, way better that gloss.

    I think that 3k finish (that's is proposed as option) will be great too.

    But definitely Matt UD finish has to look damn cool!!

    Anyway: How about tyre clearance of the frame? And fork? Spedition time?

    +1 anyone got a pic of a matt UD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser2
    +1 anyone got a pic of a matt UD?

    Have a look at a close up of a black Tallboy.
    I believe that is what they call UD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jager7
    Ouch. Are they bolted/riveted on, or eboxy'd on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser2
    +1 anyone got a pic of a matt UD?
    The pictures here are pretty good: http://www.storckbicycle.com/usa/ind...&s=carbonfiber

    Look at the picture for Uni-Directional Carbon.

    Oh, and I ordered my frame today. It only came in 12K, unless I wanted to order 30 or more.

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    Wow these look sweet I am actually considering one now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acme54321
    Wow these look sweet I am actually considering one now

    Me too. Group buy?
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    if there's group buy I might be in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeschn
    Oh, and I ordered my frame today. It only came in 12K, unless I wanted to order 30 or more.
    Where did you order from, gotobike or hong fu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by syl3
    Where did you order from, gotobike or hong fu?
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuflektor
    I have just received my frame today from www.gotobike.com.cn.
    Matt carbon instead of the gloss originally proposed.
    The finish looks good to my eyes, now let's see how does it ride.
    Very nice finish, I like the matte looks similar to my ole matte carbon Mojo. It gives a very nice new take on the weave.
    Btw, the matte's low gloss finish tend show every scuff and mark up much quicker than the high gloss, but hey it is a carbon mountain bike and I kinda like to see every mark and ....crease.
    The high gloss outer adds an thicker enamel clearcoat layer of extra protection and tend to hide marks much better.
    There are some thicker low gloss enamels you can add to the outer coat on the mattes to protect that are a nice compromise. To do right it is a bit of work.
    imho, I speculate these direct frames are a great deal and in a short time I think we will see them showing up in the sub 400 dollar price range similar to what has happen with the direct from manufacterer road and 26" mtb carbons. (We need a taiwanese 29er versions to get going for more competition.) Most of these guys are pumping out frames for the big dealers that are just now getting into the 29er market right now.
    Thanks for posting keep us updated.
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    Hello,
    can someone please tell me how much does this frames costs and where can I buy one?
    many thanks

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    Well, the bike frame came in. It only took 4 days from China to Michigan! Wow!!!

    Here are the pics...










    The frame weighs about 1214 grams. And with a 3.7# suspension fork, I expect the bike to weigh about 24 pounds. (Still looking to lose a little weight...)

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    P.S. Desmod... the frame can be bought here: https://www.hongfu-bikes.com/Products.asp?Id=453

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeschn
    Well, the bike frame came in. It only took 4 days from China to Michigan! Wow!!!

    Here are the pics...










    The frame weighs about 1214 grams. And with a 3.7# suspension fork, I expect the bike to weigh about 24 pounds. (Still looking to lose a little weight...)

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    P.S. Desmod... the frame can be bought here: https://www.hongfu-bikes.com/Products.asp?Id=453

    Don't mean to get too personal, but can you tell us how much it cost shipped? I've looked countless times at the Hongfu and other sites and can't for the life of me figure that out. Trying to decide on what to order or if it's better to go On-One or Niner, etc. Thanks.

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    in october gotobike quoted 500usd for samples and 400usd for bulk buys (10+ items). they only had 17.5" in stock at that time.

    shipping is ~90-100 for one frame and 150 for 2 frames. they can't fit more than 2 frames in an international box so any larger quantity will be split according to these shipping costs.


    also hongfu quoted $430 per frame + $15 per headset. shipping is $70 for one frame and $120 for 2 frames. they claimed 17.5" and 19" in stock but i did not inquire further as to what characteristics the frames in stock had, as they offer a lot of options (bb30, 31.6/34.9 seatpost etc).

    some people from mtb-news.de asked about this and said that apart from 31.6 and standard british threaded bb, all other options require a minimum order of 100 pieces and 6-8 weeks waiting time.

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    Jenny quoted me $70 for shipping just the frame. If you buy more stuff, shipping will go up...

    But it's reasonable considering they are shipping via the Chinese equivalent of FedEx.

    And with the money you save on the carbon frame, you can handle a little bit of FedEx shipping...

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    Quote Originally Posted by batiastra
    Hello china company...
    shill alert

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    Does anyone currently make, stock and sell these in a 21" model, for us tall Clydes?
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    Too bad they don't make one for tall people.

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    In December Hong Fu quoted a time frame around mid March for the 21" to be available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph
    In December Hong Fu quoted a time frame around mid March for the 21" to be available.
    Any ideas on the spec with a 100mm forks for the Head Angle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    Any ideas on the spec with a 100mm forks for the Head Angle?
    No idea off the top of my head. I think they might be floating around somewhere. Might want to email them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    Any ideas on the spec with a 100mm forks for the Head Angle?
    The geometry hong fu mailed me is the same as the one attached in the OP of this thread and marked gotobike (so probably both companies are middlemen selling frames from the same manufacturer).

    So that's 71.5 angle with 480mm a2c (that's prolly in the ballpark for a sagged 100mm fork)

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    [quote=batiastra]It is a fraud this page sent from China 100% reliable and Spain have an intermediary sotres not gotobike we are not allcarbonbike..........................
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    Quote Originally Posted by batiastra
    Hello china company associated with Spain without joint orders for orders shipments without intermediaries from China are Chinese shipments

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    Hey Boss, I've looked into getting a bulk shipment of these frames in from Taiwan. I have 4 sample on the way for $320USD each. Can you do that same pricing for us MTBR.com members if we all order at once?

    If we order 20 units as members from this site, can you ship them to our homes as individuals. I'll personally pick up 2 of them from you if you can have the delivery out the door in 2 weeks. What does your stocking model look like right now, can you handle a 20 unit order with the stock you have on hand?


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    I've talked to On-One's USA rep. He didn't want anything to do with selling me $20,000 USD worth of their 29er frames. $20k or $1k didn't matter to this guy, he treated me like every other customer. Pretty bold for an emerging company wanting to open up shop in the USA competing with $500 frames straight from the source overseas.

    Let's see what we, as MTBR.com members, can do about making you the Spanish salesman of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph
    In December Hong Fu quoted a time frame around mid March for the 21" to be available.
    That could be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LORENZ
    Hey Boss, I've looked into getting a bulk shipment of these frames in from Taiwan. I have 4 sample on the way for $320USD each. Can you do that same pricing for us MTBR.com members if we all order at once?

    If we order 20 units as members from this site, can you ship them to our homes as individuals. I'll personally pick up 2 of them from you if you can have the delivery out the door in 2 weeks. What does your stocking model look like right now, can you handle a 20 unit order with the stock you have on hand?

    Let me know what you hear on this one Lorenz.....I would be in for one of these.

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    16 matt finish @ 320 I am in.

    hey guys.

    I was just about to pull the trigger on a 16 inch matt finish with head set, however chinese ny for the next week.
    lf we get a group buy going i would prefer matt finish. At US$320 with a head set I would get two also , one for my brother .
    been quoted $70 shipping to Oz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmatrix
    hey guys.

    I was just about to pull the trigger on a 16 inch matt finish with head set, however chinese ny for the next week.
    lf we get a group buy going i would prefer matt finish. At US$320 with a head set I would get two also , one for my brother .
    been quoted $70 shipping to Oz.
    I would think a group buy would have to ship to one address.
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    We have guys interested in 5 frames already batiastra. Let's get this buy in rolling.

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    batiastra, can you post a picture of your 29er Carbon frame and it's geometries for us please.

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    It looks like we're getting some were with Batiasta at AllCarbonBikes. We've sent a couple of emails back and forth. I've beat him up on pricing pretty good, I'm sure he's saying to himself: "What have I gotten into with these crazy Americans?"

    I think we can hash out a better shipping quote, and I'm awaiting his response.

    I have diagrams and pics of the 26" frames, and some *****en looking time trials frames, but it's the 29ers were looking for. He says he'll be getting them to me.

    You guys will be very happy with the pricing. And it sounds like we'll get them delivered to our homes individually as well, and not have to deal with 1 big shipment to the states!

    More to come.

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    Hi,

    I would like to sum up to the group purchase. In my case I live in Spain, so things would be much easier for me...Do you know if it is available in 17 or 17.5 inches?

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    Still awaiting the prints, so I'm not sure of the exact sizing... Yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORENZ
    You guys will be very happy with the pricing. And it sounds like we'll get them delivered to our homes individually as well, and not have to deal with 1 big shipment to the states!

    More to come.
    Well, even though I just blew all my bicycle money on a motorcycle I'd probably be in depending on delivered price.
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    I guess I don't understand this group buy thingie...

    If the frame is out there, in the size that you want, why not just buy it?

    I did, I got it in 4 days, and I couldn't be happier! What do you gain with a group buy? Save a couple bucks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeschn
    What do you gain with a group buy? Save a couple bucks?

    Mikey
    Well, of course, that's what it hinges on. All these suppliers have a price break at certain volumes. If it's $10 that might not be worth the hassle, if it's $100 that's a different story .
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    Quote Originally Posted by LORENZ
    I've talked to On-One's USA rep. He didn't want anything to do with selling me $20,000 USD worth of their 29er frames. $20k or $1k didn't matter to this guy, he treated me like every other customer. Pretty bold for an emerging company wanting to open up shop in the USA competing with $500 frames straight from the source overseas.

    Let's see what we, as MTBR.com members, can do about making you the Spanish salesman of the year.
    That would because we are opening our own operation in the States that will deal with all of our products, not just the carbon 29er frames. The On-One brand is about ten years old and Planet X was started 20 years ago. We have more to offer than one frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    That would because we are opening our own operation in the States that will deal with all of our products, not just the carbon 29er frames. The On-One brand is about ten years old and Planet X was started 20 years ago. We have more to offer than one frame.
    So what: gray market the same frames without any branding...
    bring in container loads and dump them on eBay for double the cost...
    I'm not sure why someone hasn't already done the deal: overlooked market?

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    320 I would be in for the 17.5 Matte. I am USA mainland.
    + 1 on a service like wepay (see below hsakkire good suggestion.)
    https://www.wepay.com/

    Sure sounds like we got a plan coming together. How to do the various ship tos ? It is possible that the supplier would do that for us. Heck they are used to shipping to multiple addresses. We would get the bulk pricing on the frames and then pay the standard shipping rate. Any other good ideas on this one? Or if anyone wants to contact www.gotobike.com.cn and ask them if they will do it that way.
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    I'd want to see how it rode first. Ive ridden some carbon frames that were harsher than Al alloy frames. On-one is possibly the cheapest that is known to ride well.

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    For the group buy, I suggest using a service like WePay to account for everyones payment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikelDuke
    Hi,

    I would like to sum up to the group purchase. In my case I live in Spain, so things would be much easier for me...Do you know if it is available in 17 or 17.5 inches?
    Also in Europe, if the price is right i will buy 3 or 4 of these for all my friends

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    I would be interested in the group buy in 19". Do they offer the matching carbon fork?

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    Also interested, live in europe...

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    im in

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    i'm also interested, need 21" when it will be available, i'm from europe

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    After a little bit of scratching. We came to a deal from AllCarbonBikes.com and barista.

    $320 and $130 shipping for a 26" Carbon frame.

    WaaaWaaaaaaWAAAAAAAA....

    He couldn't come through with a 29er frame.

    Shiggy at On-One, Do you want to give us a shot at a Group Buy on your new 29er, or should I look elsewere to round something up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORENZ
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    Shiggy at On-One, Do you want to give us a shot at a Group Buy on your new 29er.....
    I'd sign on for a deal on a Lurcher. At first I didn't think it made much sense for them offer a discount on a new, desirable model. However after thinking about it, here in the Front Range of Colorado there sure isn't much of an On-One presence and a group buy could help get the ball rolling for a smaller brand with lots of new products.
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    group buy for the lurcher? I'd go for that.

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    What's a lurcher? The only Carbon 29er from On-One is this:

    http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/FROOCAR2...9er-race-frame

    They want a grand for it, when all the other 26er frames are $550. What do you say Shiggy. $515 shipped to each of doors in a group buy?

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    lurcher is the heavier version of the race

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORENZ
    Shiggy at On-One, Do you want to give us a shot at a Group Buy on your new 29er, or should I look elsewere to round something up?
    Bummer; though I don't see an On-One discount either; they'll probably sell every one they make at the price they're offering without any discounts.
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    I'd take one for $320 and $70 shipping.

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    So?!?!?!??! Where is everyone?!?!??! One minute it's "please send me an email" and the next minute it's *crickets*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORENZ
    ...Shiggy at On-One, Do you want to give us a shot at a Group Buy on your new 29er, or should I look elsewere to round something up?
    We are bringing our On-One frames--and not just one model--into the States. Then you can buy whatever you like from us, complete with warranty, customer service, reasonable shipping, and even partial or complete build kits if you want. We will not ship them to you direct from Asia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    We are bringing our On-One frames--and not just one model--into the States. Then you can buy whatever you like from us, complete with warranty, customer service, reasonable shipping, and even partial or complete build kits if you want. We will not ship them to you direct from Asia.


    Good to hear , time frame ? Larger sizes (21/22") perhaps ? Thanks .

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Good to hear , time frame ? Larger sizes (21/22") perhaps ? Thanks .
    The US operations is moving forward quickly. Hope to have the larger (and smaller) frame sizes by late spring along with the Stateside ops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    We are bringing our On-One frames--and not just one model--into the States. Then you can buy whatever you like from us, complete with warranty, customer service, reasonable shipping, and even partial or complete build kits if you want. We will not ship them to you direct from Asia.
    It was worth a shot but I'm ok with that and your price points should be competitive enough to get me on board anyway depending on the timing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    The US operations is moving forward quickly. Hope to have the larger (and smaller) frame sizes by late spring along with the Stateside ops.


    Nice , look forward to seeing them . Thanks .

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    Hi,

    I have received a quotation from hong fu for a single frame HF-053 -29ER in 17.5 size

    coby <[email protected]>
    size 17.5" have stock, now enclosed the geometry to you confirm.
    the price is : 435USD(frame only)+15USD(headset)+80USD(shipping cost)



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    Hi,

    I have received a quotation from hong fu for a single frame HF-053 -29ER in 17.5 size

    coby <[email protected]>
    size 17.5" have stock, now enclosed the geometry to you confirm.
    the price is : 435USD(frame only)+15USD(headset)+80USD(shipping cost)



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    You should check out gotobike, they sent me a price list and it says that prices on multiple quantities are negotiable. And it looks as if they have the 21in model as well.

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    anyone buy one and not like it?

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    We started building my Chinese Carbon 29er today. We knew we wouldn't get far, because the suspension fork that I orderered will arrive next week some time. Still, we figured we'd see how far we could get...

    Got the bottom bracket and the cranks on. Got the rear derailleur, rear caliper on and rear wheel on. Went to put on the front derailleur, and it didn't fit. And of course, no fork. We were done.

    to be continued...



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    Just FYI i got an email from GOTOBIKE that their account was hacked and that invoices are being sent out with erroneous banking info.

    Not sure if it's a legit email or not but just wanted to pass it on
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikelDuke
    Hi,

    I have received a quotation from hong fu for a single frame HF-053 -29ER in 17.5 size

    coby <[email protected]>
    size 17.5" have stock, now enclosed the geometry to you confirm.
    the price is : 435USD(frame only)+15USD(headset)+80USD(shipping cost)


    Could get a titanium 29er from bikesdirect with a reba race fork for $1099. That's with headset, frame, fork, free ship, and no tax from my understanding. Plus you got a good warranty with them, and the fact that they are based in the US makes it a no risk factor IMO. Just another option...

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    didnt know you can just buy frame and fork from them...good to know
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    Quote Originally Posted by foofighter29er
    Just FYI i got an email from GOTOBIKE that their account was hacked and that invoices are being sent out with erroneous banking info.

    Not sure if it's a legit email or not but just wanted to pass it on
    I think you are better off buying from jenny at hong-fu bikes. I've heard a lot of good success with them.

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    Finally the bike is ready and rolling.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Chinese Carbon 29er-carb1.jpg  

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    The build looks nice.


    Would you take some pics of the tire clearance? Is that a Little Albert tire? What size?

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    Is a group buy actually going to happen? If you are in the Bay area let me know. I want to grab one for my GF.

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    Nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuflektor
    Finally the bike is ready and rolling.
    that looks great, how's it ride?

    spec details?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho
    The build looks nice.


    Would you take some pics of the tire clearance? Is that a Little Albert tire? What size?
    No pics yet from the clearance. The rear tire in the image is an Albert 2,1 (but quite narrow I must say), now I have installed a Racing Ralph 2,25 to have a more cushy ride and clearance is on the limit (all installed on a Stans 355 rim) Not too much room in this frame for big tires.

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    Interesting, re Alibaba:

    Alibaba CEO Wei Quits After Probe Into Fraudulent Suppliers

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1EcKYnAI3

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeGrazing
    I'd be in....if it was titanium...muhahahahaha.
    You should look at On-One they have ti!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by foofighter29er
    didnt know you can just buy frame and fork from them...good to know
    I didn't see a 29er carbon fork on the hong-fu bikes site.

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    well I'm looking at getting two 29er frames and I want to set one bike up with a carbon fork
    I was looking at alu m5 from sepecialized $ 810.00 msrp. Sepecialized carbon about 2,5000.00 Niner carbon 1,800.00 On-One about 900.00 I don't care if my bike has a name on it or not, no name and save some $$$.
    I would like to get in on a group buy but I have to sell my Salsa frames first.
    Thanks for all the info, I don't know who I'm going to buy from hong-fu or go to bikes,
    go to bikes has the 29er carbon fork.

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    We finished building the Carbon 29er today.

    It's still pretty heavy at 26 1/2 pounds. (12.02 Kg).

    The next step is probably lighter wheels. Then maybe XO carbon cranks. But first I want to ride it a bit and see if I like carbon.

    Here's the picture...



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    Let me know the details when they are solid. 17.5 the smallest?

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    That carbon frame looks nice. Looks like the specialized s-works frame. Surprised it weighs a bit much, but not too bad for a 29er. I suppose the fact that it weighs more may mean it is a strong frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeGrazing
    That carbon frame looks nice. Looks like the specialized s-works frame. Surprised it weighs a bit much, but not too bad for a 29er. I suppose the fact that it weighs more may mean it is a strong frame?
    The frame itself is only 1200 grams.

    It's the other stuff that weighs too much, the wheels and tires, the crankset, and the suspension fork.

    Have you seen the weights of 29er tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuflektor
    No pics yet from the clearance. The rear tire in the image is an Albert 2,1 (but quite narrow I must say), now I have installed a Racing Ralph 2,25 to have a more cushy ride and clearance is on the limit (all installed on a Stans 355 rim) Not too much room in this frame for big tires.
    What's the weight of that baby! if I build one up it's going to be like yours.

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    Hi,

    I have received today this message from gotobikes:

    Dear Mikel,
    How are you?
    We just get new stocking of 30 pcs of MTB753-29'' in 17.5'', UD finish.
    I show you photo and geometry.
    Price at USD500/pc for sample, USD400/pc when more than 10 pcs.
    If any you need pls keep me informed.
    Best regards!
    Loice

    Anyone interested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by idinomac
    What's the weight of that baby! if I build one up it's going to be like yours.
    10,3kg like in the picture. 1230gr for the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuflektor
    Finally the bike is ready and rolling.
    What fork is that, and how much does it weigh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikelDuke
    Hi,

    I have received today this message from gotobikes:

    Dear Mikel,
    How are you?
    We just get new stocking of 30 pcs of MTB753-29'' in 17.5'', UD finish.
    I show you photo and geometry.
    Price at USD500/pc for sample, USD400/pc when more than 10 pcs.
    If any you need pls keep me informed.
    Best regards!
    Loice

    Anyone interested?
    Did they show photo ? I got the same thing (I had conversations with them about doing UD runs months ago and explained how would be more popular, and they said they would and then a couple of months later said "we have for you" & sent me a pick of 3k weave. The same ole pic that has been floating around.)
    If they can actually produce a pic of the UD (maybe with a matte clear coat I would be most appreciative and would sign up with you guys for a group order.)
    Still think it is a great frame if you are not too picky (like me ) on the exterior glamor layer which you should have covered in dirt in a few days anyway !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghawk
    Did they show photo ? !
    No, I did not ask for a pic, sorry. Actually I think that hongfu sales the same frame, and a little cheaper. Anyway I think I am going to wait until carconcycles.cc sell a 29er frame, cause they ship from the UK (no customs within the EU)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikelDuke
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    please check. I could be interested in a cheap carbon frame sold from EU

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    The build begins

    Frame: chinese carbon 29er- 1197g
    Fork: Niner Carbon Fork- 565g
    Brakes: Formula R1 set- 540g
    Cog: Chris King- 32g
    Chain: Campy Record- 200g
    Handlebar: Extralite UltraBar Flat Bar: 105g
    Grips: Extralite UltraGrips: 16 grams
    Stem: Extralite UL3 MTB Stem (25.4mm): 82g
    Cranks: XX- 637g
    Bottom Bracket: Ceramic Truvativ- 114g
    Chain tensioner: Gusset- 96g
    Saddle: Chinese Carbon- 100g
    Seat Post: Ti Pro Lite- 165g
    Seat Collar: Ultimate 11g
    Tires: Specialized Renegade 29er tires: 1000g
    Rims: Race 29er Wheels: 1370g
    Skewers: Titanic- 62g

    Total: 13.86 pounds

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    The neuvation wheels guy should import these, he does great prices with road bikes using the same manufacturer as Blue cycles, Karbona:
    https://www.neuvationcycling.com/index.html

    His newest frame FC500 looks almost identical to my 07 Ridley Excalibur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaChosenOne
    /\ Looks amazingly similar to the carbon stumpjumper. Nice. I just built up an ebay chinese carbon road frame, very pleased with it.

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    I'm interested in these frames, but I can't make heads or tails from this thread what's going on.

    Who is organizing the buy(s)?

    Where are the buys being purchased from? (hongfu, allcarbon, goto, etc)

    What is the difference between the Hongfu, AllCarbon, & GOTO bikes? (geometry, finishes, bottom bracket shells, head tubes - tapered/non tapered)


    I'm just trying to make sure I get on the right train.

    Thanks!

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    Ok...stop dealing with all this group buying talk. Its simple....go to Hung Fu bikes webpage and email Jenny. I have been talking to her for several months now to have custom bikes made for my new nutrition company. The frames are made in house and if you read road bike review a gentleman posted pictures of their factory and their process of frame production. My frame was $485 shipped to my door with the custom matte finish done. I had it in 5 days. They work fast and are easier to deal with than most bike companies. Goto is the same bike mold but more expensive and their lead times are long. They have great customer service too.

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    has anyone gotten one of these in a larger size than 19?

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    Just kick me outta here, I'll understand...my thinking is: I need a complete bike (no parts on hand). A new 2011 with full warranty Specialized SJ Comp Carbon HT 9er is $2900 list, I can get it for $2300 + tax + $25 for shipping, so under $2500 total.

    My parts cost for similar build (but better tubeless wheels) is about $1750 + $600 for the delivered frame subject of this thread = $2350 + needs assembly.

    So, for only an extra $150 I get a complete bike with awesome resale...a no brainer for me, but like I said, just my worthless opinion. Please carry on...it's an interesting thread. The frames sound ideal if you have parts on hand or you prefer your own custom build specs.

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    And a complete on-0ne race 29er even cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    So, for only an extra $150 I get a complete bike with awesome resale...a no brainer for me, but like I said, just my worthless opinion.
    It's not for everyone. Some of us are cheap and some dig the process of spec'ing out and building a bike from scratch. I happen to be both.

    I built a FM-015 from dengfu last year for about $1300. It's good to count the cost and see if building or buying is best, for me it was a no brainer

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    Just kick me outta here, I'll understand...my thinking is: I need a complete bike (no parts on hand). A new 2011 with full warranty Specialized SJ Comp Carbon HT 9er is $2900 list, I can get it for $2300 + tax + $25 for shipping, so under $2500 total.

    My parts cost for similar build (but better tubeless wheels) is about $1750 + $600 for the delivered frame subject of this thread = $2350 + needs assembly.

    So, for only an extra $150 I get a complete bike with awesome resale...a no brainer for me, but like I said, just my worthless opinion. Please carry on...it's an interesting thread. The frames sound ideal if you have parts on hand or you prefer your own custom build specs.
    Admittedly, you weren't comparing apples to apples. You probably spec'ed a basic Stan's wheelset, which is probably worth $250+ more than the stock wheelset on the Specialized. So the difference is probably closer to $400. Beyond that, I prefer to decide which parts I spend more or less money on. I don't want an X7 drivetrain (with an X9 rear, b/c that is all that a lot of people notice.) I don't want a bunch of Specialized branded parts, though I have no problem with them. I know that on a 29er I would be willing to spend more on a wheelset than the rest of the bike combined (and I have before.)

    Because people want to make these decisions, they choose to build their own bikes. Often, the bike at the LBS is a "better deal." Often, the bike that was assembled from random parts is the better deal. Either way, there isn't really a "no brainer" option. Different strokes. If you want the Specialized, buy it. If you want something different, and are informed enough to know exactly what works for you, than build your own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xjbaylor
    Admittedly, you weren't comparing apples to apples. You probably spec'ed a basic Stan's wheelset, which is probably worth $250+ more than the stock wheelset on the Specialized. So the difference is probably closer to $400. Beyond that, I prefer to decide which parts I spend more or less money on. I don't want an X7 drivetrain (with an X9 rear, b/c that is all that a lot of people notice.) I don't want a bunch of Specialized branded parts, though I have no problem with them. I know that on a 29er I would be willing to spend more on a wheelset than the rest of the bike combined (and I have before.)

    Because people want to make these decisions, they choose to build their own bikes. Often, the bike at the LBS is a "better deal." Often, the bike that was assembled from random parts is the better deal. Either way, there isn't really a "no brainer" option. Different strokes. If you want the Specialized, buy it. If you want something different, and are informed enough to know exactly what works for you, than build your own.
    Thanks, very informative...yes, I'm becoming a believer. Now of course you got me thinking more seriously about this custom carbon frame...What are considerations comparing this Chinese 29er frame in XL vs. the '11 Spec SJ HT "Comp Carbon 29er" frame? (Also considering $3100 Orbea Alma 29er S50 w/ "Mavic 29 TN719 DISC" wheel set.)

    My $1750 build parts included the $475/set WTB tubeless wheels, first available about two weeks ago http://www.wtb.com/products/wheels/wheelsets/speed29/. Opinions welcome. (Next WTB TL step up is $1k.)

    Specialized OEM wheel set:
    Rims: Custom DT Swiss X450SL, alloy 29", 24mm w/ eyelets, 32h
    Front Hub: Specialized Hi Lo disc, laser-etched logo, OS 28 end caps, sealed cartridge bearing, RWS, 32h
    Rear Hub: Specialized Hi Lo disc, laser-etched logo, double sealed cartridge bearing, QR, 32h

    The more I read about wheels the more I suspect that wheels are like bows in the violin world: proper funds allocation may be to spend more on the bow than the instrument itself, such is the bow's impact on overall performance and feel for the musician. Anyone surprised you can spend $10k on a bow?

    Sorry I strayed so far OT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    Thanks, very informative...yes, I'm becoming a believer. Now of course you got me thinking more seriously about this custom carbon frame...What are considerations comparing this Chinese 29er frame in XL vs. the '11 Spec SJ HT "Comp Carbon 29er" frame? (Also considering $3100 Orbea Alma 29er S50 w/ "Mavic 29 TN719 DISC" wheel set.)

    My $1750 build parts included the $475/set WTB tubeless wheels, first available about two weeks ago http://www.wtb.com/products/wheels/wheelsets/speed29/. Opinions welcome. (Next WTB TL step up is $1k.)

    Specialized OEM wheel set:
    Rims: Custom DT Swiss X450SL, alloy 29", 24mm w/ eyelets, 32h
    Front Hub: Specialized Hi Lo disc, laser-etched logo, OS 28 end caps, sealed cartridge bearing, RWS, 32h
    Rear Hub: Specialized Hi Lo disc, laser-etched logo, double sealed cartridge bearing, QR, 32h

    The more I read about wheels the more I suspect that wheels are like bows in the violin world: proper funds allocation may be to spend more on the bow than the instrument itself, such is the bow's impact on overall performance and feel for the musician. Anyone surprised you can spend $10k on a bow?

    Sorry I strayed so far OT.
    I would accept the 719 wheelset to have the Alma. I don't love the looks, but from what I have seen and heard that is an amazing race bike.The 719's are good wheels, but they are heavy for what they are. An Alma with the basic Crest/ZTR wheelset would be an amazing race ready bike.

    I rode one of the Chinese Carbon bikes today and I was impressed. Just a quick ride but it felt stiff and it was finished surprisingly well. Building a Chinese carbon bike is much like buying a Bikesdirect bike. The value is undeniable, but it isn't the right deal for everybody. For some good value is a custom Ti bike, and for some it is an entry level HT. It just depends on what makes your riding experience better. I have found that on a 29er a heavy or overly flexy wheelset just detracts from the experience too much for me.
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    I'll order a frame as soon as at least one experienced rider who has seen (better ridden) one of the frames confirms two little items: Is the frame rugged enough for 6-3, 235 lbs, age 57, no big intentional drops, lotsa rocks all sizes/shapes, 35+ mph?

    What wheels do you recommend, some sweet spot between midrange and cost no object?

    Many thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    I'll order a frame as soon as at least one experienced rider who has seen (better ridden) one of the frames confirms two little items: Is the frame rugged enough for 6-3, 235 lbs, age 57, no big intentional drops, lotsa rocks all sizes/shapes, 35+ mph?

    What wheels do you recommend, some sweet spot between midrange and cost no object?

    Many thanks!
    I don't think there any frames your size in stock anywhere, and there won't be until mid april.

    Also for your intended purpose the frame may be strong enough but it doesn't have enough clearance for decent tyres, it is designed with racing in mind.

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    Thank you syl3. What is maximum tire width (or tire make/model with largest footprint) with "adequate" clearance? Maximum recommended fork travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeschn
    We started building my Chinese Carbon 29er today. We knew we wouldn't get far, because the suspension fork that I orderered will arrive next week some time. Still, we figured we'd see how far we could get...

    Got the bottom bracket and the cranks on. Got the rear derailleur, rear caliper on and rear wheel on. Went to put on the front derailleur, and it didn't fit. And of course, no fork. We were done.

    to be continued...



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    Oh man, I'm dying...that all black is just beeahjinnn...love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    Thank you syl3. What is maximum tire width (or tire make/model with largest footprint) with "adequate" clearance? Maximum recommended fork travel?
    I understand that officially smth like rocket ron 2.2 is max. If you have a bombproof wheelset that doesn't flex at all, i think you could push it with a 2.25 ralph as long as you check regularly for any signs of rub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    I would think a group buy would have to ship to one address.
    Yes, one would think so.

    I volunteer to receive and ship out for no charge depending on the frame quantity and tire clearance. It would help me decide if someone posted images accurately portraying tire clearance, with the exact make/model/size tire. Paypal is the only acceptable payment method; my Premier account subtracts 3% for each deposit and each person would have to add 3.1% because that is the number to subtract 3% and equal the original number. Ditto shipping fees from me to each participant, add 3.1%. I don't process checks here except from authorized pre-certified MI dealers. I'll weigh each frame with my certified digital scale and the fee is whatever Endica (USPS 3rd party vendor) says it is (accurate to 1oz).

    I get bulk USPS discount (see signature links; I work at home). Absolutely no loss/damage claims for about 150 deliveries USA and about 20 foreign countries. But my music instrument accessory is small, 2 lbs, and value only $100. Possibly more risk with much larger item valued $500. I have great working relationships with three local USPS personnel, whose advice to date is all solid. Roland at the Providence, Utah USPS has over 30 years experience and helped several local businesses including mine.

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    Someone can tell me where I can buy this frame ?






    Found here :

    https://www.thehubsa.co.za/forum/top...1#entry1212342

    Not interested by the paint but geometry !

    I searched on the Bay and BaBa but found nothing
    Same thing on GotoBike and Dengfu website

    Also I searched for an Axman M10,
    No price on Axman website and nowhere to order the frame.

    I need your help, tanks a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by morris89
    Someone can tell me where I can buy this frame ?






    Found here :

    https://www.thehubsa.co.za/forum/top...1#entry1212342

    Not interested by the paint but geometry !

    I searched on the Bay and BaBa but found nothing
    Same thing on GotoBike and Dengfu website

    Also I searched for an Axman M10,
    No price on Axman website and nowhere to order the frame.

    I need your help, tanks a lot
    Bump! I would also like to know where I can buy this frame. I think it would be best to send an e-mail to those manufactures and ask them whether they are familiar with this frame/design/producer. If not, they will quickly make one. Chinese are fast learners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    Just kick me outta here, I'll understand...my thinking is: I need a complete bike (no parts on hand). A new 2011 with full warranty Specialized SJ Comp Carbon HT 9er is $2900 list, I can get it for $2300 + tax + $25 for shipping, so under $2500 total.

    My parts cost for similar build (but better tubeless wheels) is about $1750 + $600 for the delivered frame subject of this thread = $2350 + needs assembly.

    So, for only an extra $150 I get a complete bike with awesome resale...a no brainer for me, but like I said, just my worthless opinion. Please carry on...it's an interesting thread. The frames sound ideal if you have parts on hand or you prefer your own custom build specs.

    Good for you. Go away now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK
    Good for you. Go away now.

    Sorry my self deprecating post did not apparently fulfill your sadistic bent.

    Well, on a different note, other more realistic reasons to skip this thread. In spite of the posts predicting great results like: "Email the folks in China and five days later you have a frame."....Sorry, no reply after three days (it's 09:00 Zulu now in that city in China...I purchase from a factory in that city...I can probably get images of their "factory" if anyone interested). Their website is less than inspiring, with several blank pages.

    At least you can call and get during any regular business hours the availability of any Specialized and Cannondale bike.

    The resale value is likely zero on these Chinese frames. If you're OK with that, and enjoy nonexistent service, order now.

    "Jennie" in China could be a guy or a robot. Gotta love a factory that "tiles" the images of their employees...maybe illegal slave laborers hustled in from God only knows where. Send money now, operators are standing by! Free George Foreman grills this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK
    Bump! I would also like to know where I can buy this frame. I think it would be best to send an e-mail to those manufactures and ask them whether they are familiar with this frame/design/producer. If not, they will quickly make one....
    Emphasis added. Please post when that prediction comes true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    Sorry my self deprecating post did not apparently fulfill your sadistic bent.

    Well, on a different note, other more realistic reasons to skip this thread. In spite of the posts predicting great results like: "Email the folks in China and five days later you have a frame."....Sorry, no reply after three days (it's 09:00 Zulu now in that city in China...I purchase from a factory in that city...I can probably get images of their "factory" if anyone interested). Their website is less than inspiring, with several blank pages.

    At least you can call and get during any regular business hours the availability of any Specialized and Cannondale bike.

    The resale value is likely zero on these Chinese frames. If you're OK with that, and enjoy nonexistent service, order now.

    "Jennie" in China could be a guy or a robot. Gotta love a factory that "tiles" the images of their employees...maybe illegal slave laborers hustled in from God only knows where. Send money now, operators are standing by! Free George Foreman grills this week.
    I am glad to know racism is alive among inbreds such as you. Seeing where you from it is self-explanatory then. Btw, Chinese do not believe in your "God" so please restrain yourself.

    No need for you to post here. Go back to you village and stay there.

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    Wow....things get pretty heavy around here...

    I'm pretty interested in one of the hong fu frames...emailed jenny asking sizing questions and what not...but I want to know other stuff only true owners could answer.

    Would this frames geo be ruined with a 120mm fork? Or is it strictly 100mm?

    I would be installing a Fox F29...Anyone know if Hong Fu can paint your frame? I would like it white...I asked Jenny but I didn't get an answer.

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    http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?...earchText=29er

    try here , morris89

    but pay attention to Specy frames : probably a scam

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz
    And a complete on-0ne race 29er even cheaper.
    This ^ I would like to see. All the pricing I have seen on the full build on-One 29er race is $2700+ USD. Don't get me wrong as I think even at this price it is a great deal, but of course if it can be had for less, I would like to see. I am just waiting for any of these companies to get in their 19-19.5" frames! Have the money to spend, but no bike available to spend it on.

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    so a couple of this frames on ebay very tempted to get one of this

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastmq
    so a couple of this frames on ebay very tempted to get one of this
    Yeah mine.

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    fastmq could you please send the link to the 29er frame on ebay?

    I've been looking for it and I can only see 26ers and road frames!

    Also, is this the same frame posted here? The hong fu frame?

    Thanks!
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    just search for "29er carbon", several frames there including mellow's

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    wow, big deal: you can buy this frame in switzerland for only three times (and something) the price:
    https://www.zaboobikes.com/terra29_frame.html


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    hehe crazy!

    Strange those guys do offer up to a 21" size...when I've read jenny's telling everybody it's still not available?

    Been looking at the ebay frames....Goto Bikes are more expensive...and the same as hong fu?? I wonder why....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stryder75
    This ^ I would like to see. All the pricing I have seen on the full build on-One 29er race is $2700+ USD. Don't get me wrong as I think even at this price it is a great deal, but of course if it can be had for less, I would like to see. I am just waiting for any of these companies to get in their 19-19.5" frames! Have the money to spend, but no bike available to spend it on.
    They have a frame set bundled with Reba RLT for $1400 which seems better priced than full build.

    If I had the money Scott Scale carbon 29er would be my choice. Great up up to date geometry and at least it has a ride comfort and weight advantage over top end AL alloy frames. Not sure this Carbon 29er has either. Has anyone actually ridden one?

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    1,689.00 CHF = 1,832.60 USD
    Swiss Franc US Dollar
    1 CHF = 1.08502 USD 1 USD = 0.921644 CHF
    thats nuts

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    Why not saving your $ and find a local builder and get yourself a sweet riding custom steel frame made in the US by an American and made up with US made True Temper tubing?
    AE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pungbråck
    Why not saving your $ and find a local builder and get yourself a sweet riding custom steel frame made in the US by an American and made up with US made True Temper tubing?
    AE

    are you really that far out of touch with reality? or are you asking a question?

    the two bikes are very different in weight, bump compliance, looks, etc...
    Out riding, leave a message

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pungbråck
    Why not saving your $ and find a local builder and get yourself a sweet riding custom steel frame made in the US by an American and made up with US made True Temper tubing?
    AE
    I have a custom lugged steel road bike that was $1200 for frame and fork, and I've always thought that was a bargain...and it was.

    Out of curiosity I emailed 'Jenny' and was just quoted $520 for frame, headset, and shipping on the Chinese 29er. Until you can show me a builder that will be anywhere close to that price your argument is moot.

    The entire anti-Chinese stance reeks of xenophobia and racism to me. If these frames were made in Norway, France, Lithuania, or Canada nobody would think twice about the purchase. Look at Cervelo for example....because they are Canadians that import Chinese frames, apply a huge mark up, and have killer marketing, somehow people think it's OK. If I was in the market for a carbon 29er I'd skip the middle man.

    The other argument is the warranty issue. I can't speak for other companies but I did work for a Cervelo dealer for several years and they aren't giving away frames. Your warranty better be a legitimate factory defect and those are extremely rare. In my experience, most warranty claims don't qualify and the customer ends up buying a replacement at a great price or they get nothing. Well...this Chinese 29er beats most replacement deals so you still come out ahead IF it breaks.

    I'm not buying one, but if I was in the market I almost certainly would.
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