• 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    Chasing the Wolf! (warning, many pics)
    OK, with the frame going off to paint today...I figured it was time to post some of the build pics here:

    My concept drawing I sent to Fred:



    Tony Pereira's Fork (first 20mm for him)












    Frame underway.

    Pics of bits.



  • 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    Progress shots.

    Reaming the BB shell.
    (this frame will utilize a XBB crankset with a wide BB shell [sans cups] & pressed in bearings)









    This one shows Phil Wood bearing pressed in & dust seal in place.













  • 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    Gettin' closer :D



















    After some finish work:











  • 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    A few more pics:







  • 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    Here's one of the chainstay in the forming blocks:



    A few more pics:





    Sliders completely in:



    Completely out:

  • 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter

    Seat stay progression w/ internal cable routing:




































    WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    :D
  • 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    .....build pics coming soon!!!!! :D (a week or two)
  • 07-21-2007
    RWGreen
    really, really nice... one of the better build series I've seen.

    gotta love some good detailed reaming photos. FMB big time.
  • 07-21-2007
    2morrow
    Hot damn that is sexy looking! Talking with Fred in the past I bet he is just as stoked building it as you are to get it. Do keep us updated
  • 07-21-2007
    karatemonkey
    That is art! Congrats. What was the build time on that frame? Hopefully someday I'll be able to own something as amazing.
  • 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    ...KM, wait was around 7 mos.

    A few more Fred just sent me of the frame before paint:

    Sliders all the way in:



    Sliders all the way out:















  • 07-21-2007
    Enoch
    art work in progress. :thumbsup:


    Thanks for the pictures :cool:
  • 07-21-2007
    tscheezy
    Jeepers. That's cool.
  • 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    ...I couldn't be ANY happier about the outcome!!!!!

    PROPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 07-21-2007
    Kam
    amazing work, thanks for the pics!!! that will be one sweet bike!!!

    for paint, who will be doing the work? spectrum?
  • 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kam
    amazing work, thanks for the pics!!! that will be one sweet bike!!!

    for paint, who will be doing the work? spectrum?

    Fred's (wolfhound's) painter (wetpaint)....Keith Anderson (does Badger frames as well).
  • 07-21-2007
    LyNx
    Dude, very, very nice and very unique :thumbsup: can't wait to see it all painted up and built.
  • 07-21-2007
    Evel Knievel
    Wowsers.
  • 07-21-2007
    gearless
    I'm.....
    I'm speechless, (rare for Me!) :cool:
  • 07-21-2007
    ionsmuse
    That's a brilliant bike. Good on ya for committing to such a unique and unconventional design. I can only imagine that will be a bike for pure, straight up fun.

    I love the angles, though I wouldn't go for such a low bb (I know that's your preference). The divided ST really is my favorite.

    I do think that anyone who rides rigid hard enough (not me!) to want a thru-axle is looking at hard issues if they're not careful.

    Enjoy! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
  • 07-21-2007
    Wish I Were Riding
    I'd like to know your height and inseam, and how you decided upon the geo that you did. What type of trails do you ride etc., and what else influenced your decisions etc. Seriously.

    Looks amazing. Well worth the wait no doubt!
  • 07-21-2007
    Miker J
    Incredible...
    Fill us in on your motives behing the geometry specs. For a SS (looks like this bike can be both SS and geared) the slack SA is nice IMO. Really lets you get a lot of low rpm power to the pedals from a seated position on the tough climbs. 71 is a bit on the far end of the spectrum. 72 is about as far as I've tried, and liked, but 71 might be a bit much for me at least. How'd you come up with the 71? Was it necessary with the shorter chain stay length (which is awsome BTW)?

    My guess this is definitely going to be a rig designed to tackle more rugged trails. TA up front (great), and a slacker HA, short chainstays. The slacker HA with the longer rake is a nice combination making for a more endo proof rig ready to take on steeper trails but still gives a front end that can still turn quickly. On the other hand, if my internal compass is correct, you'll have a front end more prone to washout. That won't be much of an issue if you are running big rubber up front, which I guess that's what you are looking at doing.

    Of coure I'm making a lot of assumptions on your motives behind the design. Fill us in won't you?

    Mike
  • 07-21-2007
    sean350
    That is one of the coolest designs I've ever seen. I love the pressed in BB and the split ST. Super cool.
    -Sean
  • 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    Miker, as you suspect....this will be a bike inclined towards some very aggressive east coast riding. It will be run as a SS 95% of the time, but with the clay here in the extreme winter months, a SS is out of the question (it will see gears that time of year). The angles are very relaxed, with a rearward weight bias (my preference)...the 56mm offset on the fork will keep things snappy up front while ruling out any chance of endos!
    The geometry was a combination of philosophies....mine, Fred's and Jeff Jones, I am very confident that it is going to ride as smartly as it looks :D

    Being a big guy (6' 220lbs) I prefer a TA up front....this bike will get thoroughly thrashed, and love every minute of it :)


    There are some other tidbits HERE in the older Ridemonkey thread.
  • 07-21-2007
    Wish I Were Riding
    Did you decide not to go with the Hopy integrated into the frame?
  • 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Did you decide not to go with the Hopy integrated into the frame?

    ...yeah, I bailed, last minute. I have a Hopey I bought second hand...the seller forgot to mention that it was made for a 1.5" HT :mad: So it has sat in a box for over a year. I thought about the integrated mount & it seems very intuitive....however, without any saddle time I was afraid I wouldn't like it and then I would have a nasty lil' wart on the top tube :)

    I think I'll get the proper bracket from tim & give it a go....maybe next frame ;)
  • 07-21-2007
    Wish I Were Riding
    I estimate $2750 or so, probably more though... Just magnificent!
  • 07-21-2007
    derek
    Probably Keith Anderson?

    http://www.keithandersoncycles.com/index.htm

    He has some amazing work on his website.

    -Derek
  • 07-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by derek
    Probably Keith Anderson?

    ...good call! :thumbsup:
  • 07-22-2007
    poppy
    Great photopost, beautiful frame, very cool :thumbsup:
  • 07-22-2007
    Cloxxki
    When I convert my bikes to SS, I put the seat more forward. This, to give me a comfortable spin when seated. Standing up, the seat is not used anyway, and I'll need all the cockpit length I can get to not be cramped. With a slack STA and short CSL, Any seated climbing (for me) would be rather shallow, nothing anyone would go out of the sea for. The short rear vs the long frant will make the front end bouncy anyways?
    I'd love a bike like that, but would consider it downhill&tricks only.
  • 07-22-2007
    dRjOn
    outstanding. looking forward to seeing build....

    cloxxki - you need to bear in mind that youre terrain is different to most other peoples....looks like it'll rip on the east coat.

    which is different to beach and grass flats..., so commenting on your thoughts on geometry may not be relevant.
  • 07-22-2007
    Cloxxki
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dRjOn
    outstanding. looking forward to seeing build....

    cloxxki - you need to bear in mind that youre terrain is different to most other peoples....looks like it'll rip on the east coat.

    which is different to beach and grass flats..., so commenting on your thoughts on geometry may not be relevant.

    Fair enough. But doesn't gravity's pull work the same everywhere?
  • 07-22-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    When I convert my bikes to SS, I put the seat more forward. This, to give me a comfortable spin when seated. Standing up, the seat is not used anyway, and I'll need all the cockpit length I can get to not be cramped. With a slack STA and short CSL, Any seated climbing (for me) would be rather shallow, nothing anyone would go out of the sea for. The short rear vs the long frant will make the front end bouncy anyways?
    I'd love a bike like that, but would consider it downhill&tricks only.

    ...well, since I conceived the frame for my personal riding style (not yours...which is apparently an anomaly for most folks), it will lend itself quite well to SS'ing in my area. Trails here are very technical, with lots of steep pitches (up & down)....I rarely do any climbing in the saddle while ss'ing. The slack STA keeps the saddle down & out of the way when not needed as well as a fairly long cockpit when seated. Bear in mind I will be using a 50mm stem on this bike as well :cool:.

    The geometry for this bike is not very unlike that of a Jones frame it was inspired by (perhaps not quite as slack). I am convinced it will work very well for me. :p
  • 07-22-2007
    John Jencks
    That bike makes me horny (is that wrong?)
  • 07-22-2007
    jeeves
    Thanks for the post! What a cool-a$$ bike! :) I'm impressed with myself, too - when I saw the pics, I thought - "Jones inspired geometry". :) My personal riding style always involves climbing out of the saddle, and having that rear wheel tucked under your butt like that must be ideal. I like the fork, too...although you'll need to get a bike rack that doesn't require front wheel removal! :) thanks for sharing the pics.

    -Raj
  • 07-22-2007
    Random Drivel
    I predict that bike is going ot be fast up, down, and sideways, JN! I personally think the geometry and chainstay length are spot-on. Now all it needs is a 120mm squish fork with TA! (kidding) That thing should be a hoot to ride . . . .

    Bet you will end up cleaning out that hole at the end of the seattube a few times . . . or did i miss something?
  • 07-22-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeeves
    ..although you'll need to get a bike rack that doesn't require front wheel removal! :)

    ...already have one, it's called a pick-up truck :D
  • 07-22-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Random Drivel
    Bet you will end up cleaning out that hole at the end of the seattube a few times . . . or did i miss something?

    ...well, that may be likely (tho not a real issue, imho), but the cool thing is nothing emptying into the bb shell either. :thumbsup:
  • 07-22-2007
    jncarpenter
    ...well, after messing with a couple different "mock-ups" for paint...I think I am down to this design. Any thoughts?

  • 07-22-2007
    sean350
    [QUOTE=jncarpenter]...well, after messing with a couple different "mock-ups" for paint...I think I am down to this design. Any thoughts?

    Looks nice, but I'm a fan of panels... I think a nice silver colored panel underneath the wolfhound name would look pretty sweet.

    Q about the integrated bb. Is it designed like the new Madone bb's where you can basically exchange bearings to go with whatever integrated crankset you are using, or is it crank specific?

    Thanks.
    -Sean
  • 07-22-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sean350
    Looks nice, but I'm a fan of panels... I think a nice silver colored panel underneath the wolfhound name would look pretty sweet.

    Q about the integrated bb. Is it designed like the new Madone bb's where you can basically exchange bearings to go with whatever integrated crankset you are using, or is it crank specific?

    Thanks.
    -Sean

    ...first off, I went through the panels stage before deciding against it:




    RE: Cranksets....any XBB crankset will work; it is based on the current 24mm spindle standard utilized for integrated BB cranksets.
  • 07-22-2007
    tozovr
    Looks SIIIICK!!! Can't wait to see it in person...I'm sure we'll meet up at some NEMBA gathering!

    I love the geometry...your instinct is spot on man, that thing will RIP here. Hurry hurry!!!

    RJ
  • 07-22-2007
    sean350
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    ...first off, I went through the panels stage before deciding against it:



    RE: Cranksets....any XBB crankset will work; it is based on the current 24mm spindle standard utilized for integrated BB cranksets.

    I hope I didn't offend you with the panel comment, its just what I would go with.
    Awesome idea with the integrated bb. That thing is going to be STIFF.
    Definitely in the top 5 coolest designs of MTB I've ever seen. Pure artistry.
    They are having a pretty in-depth discussion on your geometry over on the frameforum:
    http://www.frameforum.net/forum2/ind...showtopic=4593

    -Sean
  • 07-22-2007
    jncarpenter
    I think I ruffled their feathers a bit...lol. :)
  • 07-23-2007
    LyNx
    I like the flat black paint scheme, looks very nice and subtle :thumbsup:
  • 07-23-2007
    DWF
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    I think I ruffled their feathers a bit...lol. :)

    Yeah, the comment came off as pretty cocky & condescending. A few of those guys are craftsmen of the same caliber as Fred.
  • 07-23-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DWF
    Yeah, the comment came off as pretty cocky & condescending. A few of those guys are craftsmen of the same caliber as Fred.

    ...well, hopefully it's clear that I wasn't directing my "comment" at them. It was more of a tongue in cheek response to those who argue that less rake produces a faster steering front end :confused: ;)

    In either case, just another instance where "tone" is not easily conveyed on the intraweb :p
  • 07-23-2007
    Loki
    Nice looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    ...well, after messing with a couple different "mock-ups" for paint...I think I am down to this design. Any thoughts?


    You'd have to be a pretty bad ass rider to pull that paint job of.

    And you very well might be. :thumbsup:
  • 07-23-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Loki
    You'd have to be a pretty bad ass rider to pull that paint job of.

    And you very well might be. :thumbsup:

    ...I take it you no likey?
  • 07-23-2007
    Loki
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    ...I take it you no likey?

    I don't usually say things are nice looking unless I think they are nice looking.
  • 07-23-2007
    Turt99
    I'm a fan of the panel version you posted, but I'm not a huge fan of the black. The bike looks really freaky and personally I'd go with a bright color so that the little things stand out more. Black tend to hide the curves.
  • 07-23-2007
    jncarpenter
    ...well, I am pretty much an anti-bling type of guy. I really do not like a flashy finish and in fact this bike is as close to flashy as I have gotten in quite some time. I prefer stealthy, downplayed finishes...I'm not trying to stand out:)

    I have to admit, the panels have grown on me :D
  • 07-23-2007
    rensho
    Very impressive frame JN. The Wolfhound guys are worthy of a lot of respect for pulling together so many nice touches. I love the 20mm fork as well.

    BB is low. No?
  • 07-23-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rensho
    BB is low. No?

    Yes. Roughly comparable to my Sultan at sag.
  • 07-23-2007
    burner
    Beautiful frame! (and it's my size)
  • 07-24-2007
    daddy dave
    Aye - if for any reason you don't like it, I'll happily look after it in Sunny Scotland for you.....
  • 07-24-2007
    dRjOn
    seems like east coast
    might be Scottish style too...
  • 07-24-2007
    1 Speed
    Really nice!
  • 07-24-2007
    jncarpenter
    ...having a major last minute mental paralysis with regard to finish :D

    The panels have now won over......I think ;)

  • 07-24-2007
    mud'n'sweat
    Now THAT I like Jay! Mark me down for the panels. :thumbsup:
  • 07-24-2007
    SSINGA
    Panels need to be silver - beyotch!
  • 07-24-2007
    RockStarRacing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    Fair enough. But doesn't gravity's pull work the same everywhere?


    wasnt aware gravity pulled you along,say the flat,thought it was just down, ie down, lets say, hills....................not many of them in holland
  • 07-24-2007
    dRjOn
    lose the pam anderson barb wire bits?
  • 07-24-2007
    RockStarRacing
    panels need to be DITCHED. black with white decals. nuff said.
  • 07-24-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dRjOn
    lose the pam anderson barb wire bits?

    ...it is actually thorns & has sentimental meaning to me. :)
  • 07-24-2007
    MMcG
    The black with white panel definitely "pops" out at you a lot more. Wasn't sure if you were going for that effect or the "stealth" effect though.
  • 07-24-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MMcG
    The black with white panel definitely "pops" out at you a lot more. Wasn't sure if you were going for that effect or the "stealth" effect though.

    ...honestly, the white is just being used for contrast to review the art. I will likely choose a different color (stealthy). I am waiting to hear back from Keith with his personal thoughts toward color selection.

    I am currently using this thread as well as fixating on the art to distract myself during the wait :D
  • 07-24-2007
    El Caballo
    Panels should be dark gray on black.
  • 07-24-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by El Caballo
    Panels should be dark gray on black.

    ...likely will be :)
  • 07-24-2007
    jtrider
    Great Looking Bike...
    Black with Silver panels could look good. What colors are your wheel sets, seat, bars and cranks going to be ?
    Anyway, the ride of the bike is going to be the most important part. Please be sure to give us lots of ride report. :thumbsup:
  • 07-24-2007
    F5000sl
    Congrats! That is one sweet bike diary of how it came to be.
  • 07-24-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jtrider
    Black with Silver panels could look good. What colors are your wheel sets, seat, bars and cranks going to be ?
    Anyway, the ride of the bike is going to be the most important part. Please be sure to give us lots of ride report. :thumbsup:

    ...every part is black (save the Ti post & carbon bars).
  • 07-24-2007
    Faux Part Deux
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    ...it is actually thorns & has sentimental meaning to me. :)

    forget everybody, especially 29er peeps.....God forbid you make a bike for YOU that some flatlander cant begin to comphrehend the motive behind......and since I love everything about it, it certainly should not matter what anybody else thinks. Congrats, b!tch!
  • 07-24-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Faux Part Deux
    forget everybody, especially 29er peeps.....God forbid you make a bike for YOU than some flatlander cant begin to comphrehend the motive behind......and since I love everything about it, it certainly should not matter what anybody else thinks. Congrats, b!tch!

    ...faux sho!
    You're the only one I'm trying to please anyways :D
  • 07-24-2007
    mud'n'sweat
    I really think the black, with a darker panel for the stealth approach, along with some amount of metallic flake in the paint was be super slick. I dig the thorns btw.
  • 07-24-2007
    jncarpenter
    ....I need to talk to Keith, but I really would like to do a hematite-like finish. Like a mirror-black....not sure it's possible yet tho.
  • 07-24-2007
    Faux Part Deux
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    ...faux sho!
    You're the only one I'm trying to please anyways :D

    wish that was true with my wife
  • 07-24-2007
    rmb
    Love it, thanks for all the pics.
  • 07-25-2007
    martin_uk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    ...
    I am currently using this thread as well as fixating on the art to distract myself during the wait :D

    I'm using it to distract me from the wait too. But what am I going to do for the next 8 months once this thread is over :confused:
  • 07-25-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by martin_uk
    I'm using it to distract me from the wait too. But what am I going to do for the next 8 months once this thread is over :confused:

    ...you can employ the method I used by having shoulder surgery....that should buy you 4 months :D
  • 07-25-2007
    psychobillycadillac
    Personally I liked the finish the frame had during it's build up satge. The natural raw finish w/ exposed bits of filler are just cool looking. My vote would be to just clean it up and leave it raw w/ a couple coats of clear. Of course i'm sure whatever you decide to go with will be great, it's your baby after all :thumbsup:
  • 07-25-2007
    hambone
    Hawt Hawt Hawt
    Too beautiful! Fred sure is good at what he does! :thumbsup:
  • 07-25-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hambone
    Too beautiful! Fred sure is good at what he does! :thumbsup:

    ....you're just jealous & wish you had one ;) :D
  • 07-26-2007
    SSINGA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    ....you're just jealous & wish you had one ;) :D

    Ya'll will look so cute on the trail with your matching Wolverines :D
  • 07-26-2007
    Aquaholic
    1 Attachment(s)
    Hmmmmm.... I dunno, I'm not feeling it. What's with that crazy wishbone seat tube????
  • 07-26-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Hmmmmm.... I dunno, I'm not feeling it. What's with that crazy wishbone seat tube????



    ...better stick with what you know, fool!

  • 07-26-2007
    Tappoix
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    ...better stick with what you know, fool!


    print it and I'll buy one. nice one, JNC. :thumbsup:
  • 07-26-2007
    Aquaholic
    1 Attachment(s)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tappoix
    print it and I'll buy one. nice one, JNC. :thumbsup:

    Pipe down, Tap...don't encourage him.
  • 07-26-2007
    SSINGA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tappoix
    print it and I'll buy one. nice one, JNC. :thumbsup:

    Hot off the press! Click the pic for details




    Hoodie version for you young punks
  • 07-26-2007
    dtheo
    I need help from Tech Support - I wanna see the bike but the pics do not show up for me. Its just in this thread. Every other MTBR thread works fine. Is there a setting I need to set or unset??

    thanks,
    DT
  • 07-27-2007
    lil hillbilly
    1 Attachment(s)
    ok thats it
    ok thats it. the wolfhound is just tits:thumbsup: So my vote for color would be to keep the white panels and do black chrome for the rest. I fabed a little ornimental iron in my time and we used the black chrome on many projects that turned out great. Thats powder by the way. I think its silver w/ silver trans on top. Pic will not do it justice. Just a killer bike so far.
  • 07-27-2007
    Just J
    Very nice indeed I'm looking forward to seeing the results...
  • 07-27-2007
    martin_uk
    Seems a little extreme to me.
  • 07-27-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by martin_uk
    Seems a little extreme to me.

    ...not just a little, my brutha :thumbsup:
  • 07-27-2007
    sikocycles
    Is it built yet?
  • 07-27-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sikocycles
    Is it built yet?

    DUDE! I wish :D

    Finally seeing some paint Mon/ Tues.
    I got the build just sitting around twiddling its' thumbs ;)
  • 07-27-2007
    sikocycles
    Your thread has influenced me in starting the process of getting a hound built. I started talking to Fred the other day. Will send the deposit in august and have it sometime next year. Just think of geometry right now. I want a east coast woods bike.
  • 07-27-2007
    sikocycles
    Ohhh forgot to mention I hate you for making me spend my money. :)
  • 07-27-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sikocycles
    Ohhh forgot to mention I hate you for making me spend my money. :)

    ...who luvs ya baby! :D
  • 07-28-2007
    SyT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sikocycles
    Ohhh forgot to mention I hate you for making me spend my money. :)

    No kiddin'. Although I will wait for his report to committ and start the wait, I'm thinking he's done my wallet no favors
  • 07-28-2007
    sikocycles
    I see a mutiny on our hands here.
  • 07-28-2007
    jncarpenter
    ....muwahahahaha! :D
  • 07-29-2007
    jncarpenter
    ....ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! The waiting is the hardest part! :madman: ;)
  • 07-30-2007
    hambone
    Well?
    when is it shipping?
    Then perhaps Fred can work on mine! :D
  • 07-30-2007
    jncarpenter
    ...it's those darn Badger frames holding up my painter!!!!:madman::madmax::D
  • 07-31-2007
    sikocycles
    You are not allowed to post unless there is a new picture. Man rule.
  • 07-31-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sikocycles
    You are not allowed to post unless there is a new picture. Man rule.

    ...this thread is the only way I am staving off insanity right now :D


    ....and it's man LAW ;)
  • 08-02-2007
    jncarpenter
    2 Attachment(s)
    SIMPLY SPEECHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW! :D
  • 08-02-2007
    Tappoix
    holy Boners, Batman!!!! Sickter!
  • 08-02-2007
    teamdicky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    SIMPLY SPEECHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW! :D

    I'm not a big fan of paint, but that is very nice.
    So pretty...
  • 08-02-2007
    jncarpenter
    ...these pics were before the last coat of clear (yet to come). Should be on it's way to me early next week!!!!!!
  • 08-02-2007
    Ventanarama
    Holy crap Jay that thing is just freaking amazing!!! WOW, beautiful bike. More pics, must see more more more.

    Larry
    Mountain High Cyclery
    [email protected]
  • 08-02-2007
    Just J
    Wow! :thumbsup:
  • 08-02-2007
    sikocycles
    Cant see the pics. exceeded the bandwidth
  • 08-02-2007
    burner
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sikocycles
    Cant see the pics. exceeded the bandwidth


    aarrrrggghhhh! :madman: :madman: :madman:
  • 08-02-2007
    jncarpenter
    ...fixed. This thread is killing my bandwidth restrictions!!! :D

    Should reset on the 5th. I'll upload the rest here from here on out :)


    EDIT: Apparently if I throw money at them....the problem goes away ;) :D
  • 08-02-2007
    mud'n'sweat
    Wow Jay, just WOW. That frame is stunning. I can't wait to see you ripping that thing up!
  • 08-02-2007
    John Jencks
    BOF!
    I'd kept silent, because I wasn't sure about the moc-up pics.
    But now, to see an actual photo, Ultra-mega-BOF!
  • 08-02-2007
    sikocycles
    Sending my deposit soon.
    Great looking frame. Cant wait to see it built
  • 08-02-2007
    poppy
    This is one hot paintjob, also was not too sure about it before but now I am :thumbsup:
  • 08-02-2007
    Bikezilla
    Holy cripes.
    No bike should be that focking pretty, not even a road bike.

    Congrats man... I think Aqua just died a litte.
  • 08-02-2007
    goldinjohn
    wow jn this is the best build thread i can remember on these forums
    this bike is stuning.
    of all the dream bike of the last year this must be the one, now i know where my bike will come from, hope the waiting list is less the years :yesnod:
  • 08-02-2007
    burner
    phenomenal!
  • 08-02-2007
    jeeves
    yeah, um, yeah, that is REALLY nice. I'd kept my yap shut on the paint because I really didn't like any of the concepts that much....but this is turning out way sweet. Congrats.

    -Raj
  • 08-03-2007
    Hubert
    Super cool frame!

    Now go build the bike!
  • 08-03-2007
    SyT
    Wow!! (Damnit)
    Very nice. I thought it was going to be matte finish??
    Do you know the frames wait? (ha I made a pun, but seriously, in pounds, not years)
  • 08-03-2007
    Turt99
    Wow, at first I suggested that you go with a bright color, but I take it back. That looks AWESOME! I love the shinny wet look for the paint, and the silver adds just enough bling factor.
  • 08-03-2007
    bobde
    thanks for the build pics
    thanks Jay for showing the frame geometry, construction techniques, and frame progression. It was helpful to see how tube forming is done, and to see the pipe bender. I'm sure there are a lot of little details in those pics I didn't even notice yet. Like they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

    Glad your project worked out for you. Sound like you enjoyed that process and thats how its supposed to be.

    Bob
  • 08-03-2007
    jncarpenter
    Thanks Bob....I still have one surprise left for you ;)
  • 08-03-2007
    xy9ine
    freeking cool frame (nice build photo sequence as well). as a big fan old school fillet brazed frames it's great to see there's still some craftsmen working in the milieu. love the geometry as well (slack / low / stubby rear) - should be a fun technical trail bike. i'm really starting to dig these elegant rigid ss 29'ers...
  • 08-03-2007
    GrumpyOne
    1 Attachment(s)
    Paint Photos
    Keith has got paint process photos of your Wolfhound up on his website: keithandersoncycles.com

    Pretty cool how he masked it.

    jw
  • 08-03-2007
    bobde
    NP Jay. If its all the same I had enough suprises in 2007 to last a lifetime. I wish you well with your new bike, I can tell by the thread you're very excited about it (And that is the way it should be).

    bob
  • 08-03-2007
    jncarpenter
    ....more paint pics:





















  • 08-03-2007
    Aquaholic
    Look's Bass-Boatish.

    "Barbwire Tattoo Designs - The barbwire tattoo is a tattoo design that first came out of prison culture, then it was adopted in Latino culture in Southern California, was then co-opted by modern tribal tattoo genre artists..."
  • 08-03-2007
    MMcG
    I think those are meant to be thorns rather than barbed wire.
  • 08-03-2007
    jncarpenter
    Don't pay that envious aqua-boy any mind Mark. He knows full well what they are...he's just in a very insecure place right now, with only a handful of coathangers to steady himself :D
  • 08-03-2007
    sean350
    JNC,
    That bike is the bee's knees AND elbows. Soooo cool. Congrats.
    -Sean
  • 08-03-2007
    jncarpenter
    ...thanks man. To say I am psyched would be an understatement!
  • 08-06-2007
    SSINGA
    I might have to steal those colors for my new Spot!

    Nice Jay!!!!!
  • 08-07-2007
    kvojr
    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eekster: Simply Awesome!!
  • 08-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    :madman: :D

  • 08-21-2007
    mud'n'sweat
    Man, that took forever from paint to ship! It's not even my bike and I'm jonesing for it to arrive and get built up, haha. :p
  • 08-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    Keith recommends 3 weeks before you do much with it.

    I am looking at the longest 3 days of my life ahead of me :D
  • 08-21-2007
    Tappoix
    3 days is nothing compared to the painful engorgement you'll experience for weeks upon delivery :D



    send it to me now
  • 08-21-2007
    dankilling
    I think I just messed my shorts...that thing is amazing
  • 08-21-2007
    Al.
    wow! very nice.
  • 08-21-2007
    Francis Buxton
    Question: What 20mm TA axle are you using?

    I'm considering building my next bike with a rigid 20mm TA fork. Can you just go out and buy any 20mm TA axle (as long as it's not threaded)?

    Good looking bike. I'll be looking for build pics.
  • 08-21-2007
    jncarpenter
    I would assume any axle would work, as long as the builder could accomodate it. I chose the 20mm axle from the marzocchi z1. It is the perfect width for my application.
  • 08-21-2007
    Francis Buxton
    Thanks. Good luck on the wait.

    I'm pretty sure Rob can handle it. :)
  • 08-27-2007
    jncarpenter
    TOUCHDOWN!!!

  • 08-27-2007
    SSINGA
    Time to bust out the lawn mower isn't it?

    Congrats on the delivery Jay!!
  • 08-27-2007
    MMcG
    F' the lawnmowing - the man has a bike to build! :)
  • 08-27-2007
    hambone
    yay!
    He ordered a FELT? Cool!
    :thumbsup:
  • 08-27-2007
    mud'n'sweat
    You've now had an hour, I expect build pics within the next 30 minutes, or I'm calling out your wrench skills! :p ;)
  • 08-27-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hambone
    He ordered a FELT? Cool!
    :thumbsup:

    ...what the heck are you talking about? Smoking the dank again? ;)
  • 08-27-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mud'n'sweat
    You've now had an hour, I expect build pics within the next 30 minutes, or I'm calling out your wrench skills! :p ;)

    ...bike is built...has been. Unfortunately, when tightening the moots post up, a bolt broke....so I am figuring out how to solve my problem. I still think their clamp design is the worst EVER! :madman:
  • 08-27-2007
    mud'n'sweat
    You should come up to our group ride this evening on the farm!
  • 08-27-2007
    heythorp
    you photoshopped the felt off the box?
  • 08-27-2007
    SSINGA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by heythorp
    you photoshopped the felt off the box?

    fixed it

  • 08-27-2007
    jncarpenter
    Rich, Sean....check your email. :)
  • 08-27-2007
    heythorp
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SSINGA
    fixed it



    this ups guy is getting a lot of exposure
  • 08-27-2007
    mud'n'sweat
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Rich, Sean....check your email. :)

    Sweeeeet :yesnod:
  • 08-27-2007
    jncarpenter
    OK, here are a couple quick pics to tide you over.....going for a ride. Will add many more pics later ;)



  • 08-27-2007
    1 Speed
    Ooooooo....Aaaahhhhhhh!
  • 08-27-2007
    sikocycles
    Its Ok.



















    J/K Sweet bike
  • 08-27-2007
    burner
    Hotness!!!!!!!

    Can't wait for a RR and some action shots of you hucking a curb.
  • 08-27-2007
    Welsh Dave
    Wow!
    Er... is that a girl's bike? :skep:

    Seriously, several time-zones and a few thousand kms away across the pond, I arrive home from the pub... Just about to turn in when I notice the "Woflhound" thread has been bumped...

    It was worth the wait. Simply incredible.
    A work of art, in fact
    Enjoy,

    DM
  • 08-27-2007
    justconnor
    holy ****.
  • 08-27-2007
    jncarpenter
    Thanks for all the comments guys....the bike is very worthy!

    I just returned from a ride & in spite of the fact that the star-nut (KING) didn't bite well and loosened up the headset mid-ride, I got a very good idea of how this bike is going to ride.....and it is super sweet! Very agile and quick handling, yet still has the stability of the 29er wheels. With the 16.5" CS's I nearly looped out several times manualling & J-hopping over logs...I love it!!!
  • 08-27-2007
    poppy
    Very very nice :thumbsup:
  • 08-27-2007
    unotache
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter

    I just returned from a ride & in spite of the fact that the star-nut (KING) didn't bite well and loosened up the headset mid-ride[/IMG]

    Just a FYI, the star-nut isn't what keeps your headset tight, your stem does.

    Bike looks sweet.
  • 08-27-2007
    rryyddeerr
    crazy. i just opened this thread for the first time and went through every page. killer.
    love the internal routing and the integrated BB bearing situation. Amazing more builders dont do that.
    have fun, and ditto the thing about your starnut/stem/headset dealio.
  • 08-27-2007
    6thElement
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    With the 16.5" CS's I nearly looped out several times manualling & J-hopping over logs...I love it!!!

    That's pretty much what I thought when looking at those final pics. It looks like a lot of fun.
  • 08-27-2007
    Aquaholic
    JC:


    Congrats on your new steed. That is one mean, stealthy, black beauty!


    Give us some action shots.
  • 08-27-2007
    karatemonkey
    The sickest bike I have ever seen. Congrats. 16.5" CS must be a hoot!
  • 08-28-2007
    dRjOn
    very nice...what crank?
  • 08-28-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dRjOn
    very nice...what crank?


    SEE HERE
  • 08-28-2007
    onlyontwo
    ...Amazing
    please post more pictures and build details. I have been wanting to build up a bike very similar and would love to know your impression of the rigid 20mm and geo. Again, it is a dream. Wolfhounds are beautiful.
  • 08-29-2007
    jncarpenter
    ...a few quick shots from this afternoon.

















  • 08-29-2007
    jfkbike2
    Sweet bike.

    I really wish Thomson (how short is that stem?) and King would make their products without the logo engraving (like the good old day for King anyway) so a bike like yours would look even more clean.
  • 08-29-2007
    scorpionwoman
    She's all angles and curves. Very cool.
  • 08-29-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jfkbike2
    ...how short is that stem?

    ..50mm :)

    Another great ride today :thumbsup: What a fun bike....VERY fast! I continue to be impressed with the handling as I adjust to the quickness of the steering. There is definitely something to running slacker HA's & more fork offset...it creates a very stable handling bike that is still very easily steered around some very tight corners. Of course, I am sure the 42" wheelbase helps there as well :)

    The stiffness of the bb/ split ST area is simply unbelieveable! You really have to ride it and experience it firsthand to believe it. That plus the short rear yield some impressively snappy power transfer!

    Have I mentioned how easily the front end is lofted? ;)
  • 08-30-2007
    SyT
    Do you know what the final weight is? ( I realize by the build that weight took a back seat to "rideableness" and durability, but am curious nonetheless)
  • 08-30-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SyT
    Do you know what the final weight is? ( I realize by the build that weight took a back seat to "rideableness" and durability, but am curious nonetheless)

    ..weight is right at 24 lbs (with the 1100g crankset ;))
  • 08-30-2007
    MMcG
    Glad you are so stoked on it jn - well worth the wait I'm sure. Let's see some action shots!
  • 08-30-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MMcG
    Glad you are so stoked on it jn - well worth the wait I'm sure. Let's see some action shots!

    ...can I borrow your photographer? ;)

    I usually ride solo... and my only digi is a G5 (not taking that in the pack) so it might be a week or so before I can get in a group ride with a digi-totin' rider. Soon.
  • 08-30-2007
    burner
    so what are the #s on the back of the saddle?
  • 08-30-2007
    jncarpenter
    Good question...I assume (since they are celebrating 25 years) they represent years of operation.
  • 09-01-2007
    Faux Part Deux
    doh! always knew you were a weight weenie
  • 09-01-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Faux Part Deux
    doh! always knew you were a weight weenie

    ...ha!!! Too bad dropping a lb wasn't always as easy as a crank swap :)



  • 09-01-2007
    jncarpenter
    I had the wife along today for a ride & we managed 2 so-so pics before the crappy P&S camera died :(

    Hopping a log (please forgive the grimace ;))


    Riding a bridge I built last year

  • 09-07-2007
    Uncle Cliffy
    You officially have the sickest 29er I've ever seen. :thumbsup: I'm bias to Fred, but seriously... the sickest.
  • 09-07-2007
    jncarpenter
    ...the more I ride it, the more I am inclined to agree.

    I would also like to add, Tony Pereira's fork is among the best I have ridden. It has taken a fair share of abuse already & at 2.3 lbs, it feels stable, lively & solid.
  • 09-08-2007
    dRjOn
    rear kick up
    how does it ride over steps?

    one thing i notice on my 29 rear wheel over my 26 is that riding down a step the rear wheel pushes the bike up more as the rear wheel rolls over, presumably cos the bb drop is generally greater and the radius of the wheel greater.

    is this accentuated or lessened by the short stays?

    just curious....
  • 09-08-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dRjOn
    how does it ride over steps?

    one thing i notice on my 29 rear wheel over my 26 is that riding down a step the rear wheel pushes the bike up more as the rear wheel rolls over, presumably cos the bb drop is generally greater and the radius of the wheel greater.

    is this accentuated or lessened by the short stays?

    just curious....

    ...I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. What you are describing is physically impossible, no?...if you're riding DOWN a step, how can it push the rear wheel UP? Also...for example, if you ride over a 6" log, the rear axle is going to be displaced 6" regardless if it is a 26" or a 29" wheel. If the frame was designed around a given wheelsize, there will be no geometrical difference between wheel sizes.?????

    If I had to take a stab at your question, I would surmise that perhaps you are sensing a difference in front center lengths between 2 different bikes. A bike with more of a front weight bias would have the rear come up more easily in that scenario than a frame with a more rearward bias.

    Personally, I tend to manual off a step down like you describe (at least I think you are describing) landing both wheels simultaneously. In that scenario, the shorter stays are a huge benefit. :)
  • 09-08-2007
    dRjOn
    yeah, riding down drops, rather than wheelie dropping. i think the relatively lower bb compared to rear axle height may be responsible for the sensation. i guess you are rotating around rear tyre contact as fulcrum.... i dunno not sure how to describe....if you drop then its all good! enjoy!
  • 09-08-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dRjOn
    yeah, riding down drops, rather than wheelie dropping. i think the relatively lower bb compared to rear axle height may be responsible for the sensation. i guess you are rotating around rear tyre contact as fulcrum.... i dunno not sure how to describe....if you drop then its all good! enjoy!

    See, I would think the opposite. The greater the bb drop, the more you feel "in" the bike. Steep rolls ins seem better to me on the 29er over the 26" bike.

    I stand by my initial thoughts (what 29er do you ride?), I feel it may be more a function of front center & head angle. I chose more of a reaward weight bias with the short CS's/ longer TT & slacker HA/ longer fork offset. The bike steers amazingly quick, but I never feel like I'm going over the bars in any situation. I'll try & recreate the scenario you are describing and see if I notice anything.
  • 09-08-2007
    dRjOn
    i ride an if 29 er so custom geo, also a kelly 29er with a steeper head angle, and i have ridden a couple of 29/26 ers recently and had some thoughts about tight rear ends and slack angles...i like it i think, and im not sure whether a 9/6 is in my future, or a slack angled 29er...my if has much slacker front numbers, but similar trail to kelly and i prefer it. .its just i dont want to fk up handling with an over generous wheelbase, and there are not many who will do what wolfhound does to achieve short cs length...so, im sort of thought experimenting and exploring possibilities at present..my riding is tight ish, steepish slippery ish rocks and roots, and i aint the best once airbourne so i roll, not drop....thanks for thoughts.
  • 09-08-2007
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dRjOn
    i ride an if 29 er so custom geo, also a kelly 29er with a steeper head angle, and i have ridden a couple of 29/26 ers recently and had some thoughts about tight rear ends and slack angles...i like it i think, and im not sure whether a 9/6 is in my future, or a slack angled 29er...my if has much slacker front numbers, but similar trail to kelly and i prefer it. .its just i dont want to fk up handling with an over generous wheelbase, and there are not many who will do what wolfhound does to achieve short cs length...so, im sort of thought experimenting and exploring possibilities at present..my riding is tight ish, steepish slippery ish rocks and roots, and i aint the best once airbourne so i roll, not drop....thanks for thoughts.

    ...sounds like a great bike. My wheelbase is right at 42" BTW...I think the most important aspect of achieving the handling you want, with the slacker angles, is the fork offset. In all honesty, even with similar trail numbers, the slacker/ longer offset setup steers much more "normally" than the typical 29er.