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    canzo 29er?

    Im 5'11" and weigh 180lbs would a med canzo 29er fit? I have the chance to get one but it would be without trying it. I love my stumpjumper fsr but would love to see what the 29ers are all about.

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    I think a med. would fit you great. I"m 5'8" with a 30" inseam and have a med. If I was just a inch shorter in height or inseam I would have needed the small.

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    I'm 5'11" 170 and ride a Large stumpjumper. i think a large would fit you better
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    medium (18") Canzo29 should be OK for you, unless you would require a longer ETT. Check geo chart here:

    <http://www.voodoocycles.net/canzo29.htm>

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    I'm 6' 00" (33" inseam).....

    I'm riding a 2009 (large) Canzo 29er............. Love it!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuab
    Im 5'11" and weigh 180lbs would a med canzo 29er fit? I have the chance to get one but it would be without trying it. I love my stumpjumper fsr but would love to see what the 29ers are all about.

    Joshua
    What is the top tube length (virtual) of both bikes in question?
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    go for it

    a medium will work great. i am 5'10'' and my medium canzo 29er is amazing i love the bike and it feels amazing. the canzo 29er is a great way to get into the full suspension 29er game, especially if you can get it for a good price. go for it

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    i've never even had a suspension fork, but i've got one on order

    now that the cherry has been popped, i want one of these to huck with the lenz and turner boys and girls
    wherever you go, there you are

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    They are sweet bikes. I have had two in the last couple years.

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    OK I went with it and a Marzocchi 44 fork now time to find a 15mm thru hub wheel.

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    WARNING....HIJACK ALERT!!!!!!
    VOODOO, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, BUILD AN XL !!!!!!
    OK....BACK TO THE OP.


    I love the way the bike rides, though... have fun!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuab
    OK I went with it and a Marzocchi 44 fork now time to find a 15mm thru hub wheel.
    Did you get the 140mm fork? I am not real pleased with my 120mm fork on mine; it is great downhill, but is too choppered and wanders climbing. I am ready to go back to a 100mm that the bike was spec'ed to use by Voodoo. You might check into the AC and what it will do to your geometry.
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    I got the 120mm with a spacer to make it 100mm or take one out to go 140mm. So you think the 100mm would work better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Did you get the 140mm fork? I am not real pleased with my 120mm fork on mine; it is great downhill, but is too choppered and wanders climbing. I am ready to go back to a 100mm that the bike was spec'ed to use by Voodoo. You might check into the AC and what it will do to your geometry.
    Did you have both bikes set up as 120mm? Other people have posted that the bike is more fun at 120mm than 100mm. I'm looking into the same setup as you - Canzo with 120mm Manitou fork.

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    I run the 120mm and have no issue with wheel wandering, but did flip my stem to a negative rise so maybe this helps. Bike rips the DH and climbs like a billy goat...

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    My small Canzo is set up with a 120MM manipoo fork. I was worried about going to 120 with the manipoo cause there is no adjustment, unlike the Rockshox fork, which allows you to go from 80MM to 120MM.
    I really like the Canzo much better at 120MM. It descends better and I have no problem climbing with it, in fact it is the best climber in my stable. I don't feel it wanders and it certainly doesn't feel or look choppered out. With the new (black) Canzo and rear manipoo shock, I run it at higher pressures than I use to run with my older (green) Canzo with the rear rockshox.
    My brain went from "you probably shouldn't say that" to WTF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Did you get the 140mm fork? I am not real pleased with my 120mm fork on mine; it is great downhill, but is too choppered and wanders climbing. I am ready to go back to a 100mm that the bike was spec'ed to use by Voodoo. You might check into the AC and what it will do to your geometry.
    I agree with slocaus. I have a 120 Fox on mine and it really needs to have a 20mm spacer put in so it will be correct at 100mm. Believe it or not, 20mm does make a difference.

    EDIT: I'm riding a small green old (circa 2007?) geometry frame. I think it (fork ride height) makes a difference what type of riding you do and where. slocaus and I ride much of the same type stuff in Kalifornia. Very steep climbs. richwolf actually lives closer to me but I'm not sure what terrain he's mostly riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    My small Canzo is set up with a 120MM manipoo fork. With the new (black) Canzo and rear manipoo shock, I run it at higher pressures than I use to run with my older (green) Canzo with the rear rockshox.
    I have a brand new small black Canzo still in the factory box. I think it's just about ripe to be built up

    Speaking of frame sizes; I'm 6'-0" and prefer about a 23" ETT for trail/XC with longer stems. When I rode downhill bikes I liked longer frames with shorter stems. In fact I still have a large Preston and an XL bullit. Now I'm riding small 29ers. Maybe it's the big wheels? I'm still kicking myself for not buying dosboy's small pug a few months back.

    EDIT: I just pulled my new frame out of the box. The new small is much smaller than the old small. No way that is going to end up with a 23" ETT like my old one is. The old small was really a medium. Maybe my wife will ride it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuab
    I got the 120mm with a spacer to make it 100mm or take one out to go 140mm. So you think the 100mm would work better?
    I started with a green 2007 and a 100mm WB Magic. Rode great up and down, but a little steep and twitchy on really steep tech downhills. I went to the 120mm Manitou and really loved that bike. Unfortunately, that frame broke and Voodoo replaced it with a black 2009. (Big props to Voodoo, outstanding service!)

    The 2009 is so radically different in geometry, that I still cannot get it tuned to ride as well as the 2007. I have gone back and forth on rear shocks, but have not put the 100mm WB on it. I just got the new Abs+ damper and MILO for the Manitou, and love the lockout, but climbing steep stuff and especially switchbacks gets tricky for me with the choppered front end. I would like to try it at 100mm with the new damper and lockout.

    Try it at all three lengths and see what works for your type of riding.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexkraemer
    Did you have both bikes set up as 120mm? Other people have posted that the bike is more fun at 120mm than 100mm. I'm looking into the same setup as you - Canzo with 120mm Manitou fork.
    I have not had the 100mm WB on the black 2009 yet, but am about to try it.

    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    My small Canzo is set up with a 120MM manipoo fork. I was worried about going to 120 with the manipoo cause there is no adjustment, unlike the Rockshox fork, which allows you to go from 80MM to 120MM.
    I really like the Canzo much better at 120MM. It descends better and I have no problem climbing with it, in fact it is the best climber in my stable. I don't feel it wanders and it certainly doesn't feel or look choppered out. With the new (black) Canzo and rear manipoo shock, I run it at higher pressures than I use to run with my older (green) Canzo with the rear rockshox.
    I like the 120mm for everything but steep uphill climbs, and we have lots and lots of those here in SLO county. I envy a couple friends with the Fox Talas forks. I'd love to have the old Marz ETA knob on this fork. I am still fiddling.

    Out of curiosity, what do you weigh and what psi did you run in the MC3.3 versus the Radium? When I get the climbing squat out of the Radium, then I cannot dial out the rebound without it packing down completely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duzitall
    I agree with slocaus. I have a 120 Fox on mine and it really needs to have a 20mm spacer put in so it will be correct at 100mm. Believe it or not, 20mm does make a difference.

    EDIT: I'm riding a small green old (circa 2007?) geometry frame. I think it (fork ride height) makes a difference what type of riding you do and where. slocaus and I ride much of the same type stuff in Kalifornia. Very steep climbs. richwolf actually lives closer to me but I'm not sure what terrain he's mostly riding.
    I would love 100mm for steep climbs, and the 120mm for flat (what few of them there are!), for descending, and for gradual uphills (damn few of those too) My ride yesterday, typical for here, up or down, not much flat.

    25.14 mi (10.82 mi uphill, 11.32 mi downhill, 2.90 mi flat)
    3960 ft total ascent (3961 ft descent)
    I have been twiddling with stems from 70 to 110mm and flipped at 6 or 10 degrees up and down, changing seat height and fore/aft saddle. Ugh.
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    Yesterday I built up my 2010 Black Canzo 29 size small with all the same parts used on my 2007 small Canzo. I'm glad I decided to try this new frame. Back to back comparison (within a couple days) tells me I like the new one better. No offense to my friend slocaus intended. Hopefully he will grow more accustomed to his new model.

    Thing I like most about the new geometry is the steeper seat tube and that makes it climb better for me. ETT is exactly the same on both frames although when I opened the box I thought the new one was much shorter. I'm not sure what they did with the head tube angle but it turns at least as well as the old one. Biggest difference I can see is the new seat tube is 16" vs the previous at 18". Works for me.

    I still want to install a 20mm spacer to make my Fox fork 100mm even though it seems less important on this frame that the swamp green one. The bike will be better for me with the shorter fork. No complaints about the Radium shock. It's not as nice as the previous model's Rockshox MC3.3 with it's adjustable Pro-pedal but the Manitou works well enough. I didn't even check the pressure on it because the sag was correct right out of the box. Go figure

    Once again I want to say that Voodoo's customer service is second to none. That is what makes a good product a great value.
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    I have been playing with my other new rides lately so the Canzo hasn't been getting much love from me.
    I decided to take it out today to do some GPSing for the Death March. I am glad I did. Lots of rain ruts and tons of chicken and baby heads. It sure made the ride fun and comfortable.
    I do have the Rockshox MC3.3 on an old KHS FS bike I have and I have thought about swapping it over to see if there is a noticeable difference.
    I confirmed today that I like the Manitou at 120MM. Great on the downhills and I have no problems climbing with it. I do like my black version better than my original green one that I had. Perhaps the new geometry or perhaps the 120MM manitou vs. a 100MM reba?
    I have read about the front shock damper upgrade and I might do that but even at this point I really like the front shock the way it is. I have the QR model, but I am a little guy and didn't want to deal with the hassle of a TA fork.

    Slocaus, perhaps you should dump your Manitou and get a U-Turn Reba to get the on the ride travel adjust you want.

    Duzital. 6 foot on a small frame? Wow that is amazing, but whatever works.

    I have been riding my new cyclocross bike lately and when I put them side by side the Canzo looks like a monster truck!
    My brain went from "you probably shouldn't say that" to WTF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    Duzital. 6 foot on a small frame? Wow that is amazing, but whatever works.
    Not sure it's amazing I was a BMXer, then a roadie, then a DHer. Now days I just want to stand up and crank on my little trailbikes. Maybe it's another phase I'm going thru like when it was cool to have a Brooklyn FQ. Remember those? This small frame weirdness started again when I bought Onestrongone's 16" rigid SS 29er. What a blast are little frames with big hoops Kinda like my BBR Yamaha TT125

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duzitall
    Yesterday I built up my 2010 Black Canzo 29 size small with all the same parts used on my 2007 small Canzo. I'm glad I decided to try this new frame. Back to back comparison (within a couple days) tells me I like the new one better. No offense to my friend slocaus intended. Hopefully he will grow more accustomed to his new model.
    Sah-weeeeet! The gauntlet is thrown!

    So glad you did this, I really want the feedback to see what is going on with mine. I need to finish my entire analysis of the two frames and geometry changes. I'll post that, then we can discuss this.

    I am thinking I have something funky with my Radium.


    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    Slocaus, perhaps you should dump your Manitou and get a U-Turn Reba to get the on the ride travel adjust you want.
    I thought of that, and may do that still. I really, really like what the ABS+ damper does to the Manitou. I also made some big changes to my position last week and it was the first time I was not fighting the bike on climbs.

    This is exciting for me that you two now have experience on both bikes. Let's see where this leads. My attempts to get my positions dialed, based on a friends suggestions, and my own ideas, may have gone in entirely the wrong direction. I will get my geometry changes between the green 07 and black 09 and then we can compare setup and position notes!
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    Ok, here is the comparison.

    Code:
    	        2007	2009
    Size		L/20	L/20
    S/T C-T		20	20
    S/T C-C		17.5	15.6
    T/T Virtual	24.25	24.5
    BB Drop		40mm	32mm
    BB Height	12.75	13.3
    C/S Length	17.9	18.3
    S/T Angle	73	74
    H/T Angle	72.5	72
    A/C          	505mm	500mm
    H/T Height	120	130
    Travel		4 in	4 in
    STAND		n/a	32.25
    Wheelbase	42.6	45.4
    So, what happened for me, at 6'3" with a 37" inseam and 38" sleeve and short torso, is that it moved me forward. My center BB to saddle top is 83 cm. The difference in where my saddle center was with a plumb bob straight down, it moved me 1 7/8" forward with the geometry change. Plus the longer VTT, slacker head tube, taller head tube, higher BB, longer chain stays. And look at my wheelbase swell...... Gah!

    I went from a 110 stem to a 70 stem to keep from tumbling onto the front wheel on steep downhills.

    Ok, and I should ask this in one of the Canzo threads about the new Radium, but what do you guys weigh and what psi do you have in the shock? When I get enough pressure to stop the severe squat on uphills, then I cannot dial out the rebound without packing up the shock. I am at 210 geared and have tried 150 psi (still squats) to 190 psi (pogo boing boing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Ok, here is the comparison.

    Code:
    	        2007	2009
    Size		L/20	L/20
    S/T C-T		20	20
    S/T C-C		17.5	15.6
    T/T Virtual	24.25	24.5
    BB Drop		40mm	32mm
    BB Height	12.75	13.3
    C/S Length	17.9	18.3
    S/T Angle	73	74
    H/T Angle	72.5	72
    A/C          	505mm	500mm
    H/T Height	120	130
    Travel		4 in	4 in
    STAND		n/a	32.25
    Wheelbase	42.6	45.4
    So, what happened for me, at 6'3" with a 37" inseam and 38" sleeve and short torso, is that it moved me forward. My center BB to saddle top is 83 cm. The difference in where my saddle center was with a plumb bob straight down, it moved me 1 7/8" forward with the geometry change. Plus the longer VTT, slacker head tube, taller head tube, higher BB, longer chain stays. And look at my wheelbase swell...... Gah!

    I went from a 110 stem to a 70 stem to keep from tumbling onto the front wheel on steep downhills.

    Ok, and I should ask this in one of the Canzo threads about the new Radium, but what do you guys weigh and what psi do you have in the shock? When I get enough pressure to stop the severe squat on uphills, then I cannot dial out the rebound without packing up the shock. I am at 210 geared and have tried 150 psi (still squats) to 190 psi (pogo boing boing).

    My green version did not have a 17.9 inch chainstay. Same as my black one I think.

    It just sounds like you are not happy with the new one. I sort of believe a bike either works for you from the get go or it doesn't. Changing things can make them better or worse but generally it doesn't change the whole personality of the bike.
    My brain went from "you probably shouldn't say that" to WTF!

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    Duzitall has my old stays. I do nor remember if I actually measured, this is from the Voodoo site specs.

    Sad. You may have seen that I loved loved loved my green Canzo. Rode it all over hell and back, and posted lots of rah rah pics and comments. I want to be as pleased with this one as well, since Voodoo has great service. Sad.

    Maybe I am beating a dead horse here. I think my Voodoo pom poms are wilting.
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    I don't know what they are measuring and listing as "chain stay" I measured slocaus' old stay, my old stay and my new stay from center of pivot axle to center of rear dropout is 17-1/4" on all 3 stays I have. That 18.3" measurement would have to be from center of dropout to center of bottom bracket. That has not changed either.

    Some or all the geometry shown on VooDoo's charts is bogus. I noticed that right from the get-go. VooDoo also told me the 2010 chainstays were not compatible with my '07 frame when mine broke. They sure look (and measure) the same to me

    I'll tell you what pressure I'm running in my Radium tomorrow. I also installed a 20mm spacer to bring my fox 120 fork down to 100mm. Hopefully I can play hooky from work and get a test ride in tomorrow for both, shorter fork and both shocks

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    Chain stay length is from axle center to BB center. The chain stay length was the same on the large, but the seat stay length was much longer on the 09 than the 07. They moved the center pivot on the rockers way forward of the seat tube, and the rockers are the same length, so the seat stay portion was longer (that accounts for part of the BB height increase as well.

    I am thinking that the 100mm fork might work better now too. Maybe I will swap my WB Magic 100 back to the Canzo to experiment.

    Looking forward to your experience with the shocks. I would like to sort out the shock, and look forward to hearing what you have to say on yours.
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