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    New question here. Breezer Supercell -Any thoughts?

    Anyone familiar with this new line of bikes by Breezer? I've been looking at them for a while now, and haven't seen a lot of reviews on this new line by Joe Breeze. They have an M-link suspension and 120mm travel front and rear. They look interesting, but not that much info. out there.
    Here's the link for the Supercell Pro: Breezer Bikes - Supercell Pro - Bike Overview

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    No experience with that piticular frame. Have ridden others like it. Single pivot with a motorcycle link. Not very new other than the forward pivot design.

    they claim it will out climb a hardtail. Highly unlikely. That kind of advertising spells desperation to sell, IMO....

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    Some suspensions really are so good that they climb better than hard tails under some circumstances. It's a traction thing. As for the Supercell, the M-Link that it uses is the same as the Repack, which has been raved about far and wide. I have a local Breezer dealer who won't carry either bike though, otherwise I'd have ridden both of them by now. My gut says these bikes are probably both very good. I've actually recommended the Supercell to a friend who has a riding style suited to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    Some suspensions really are so good that they climb better than hard tails under some circumstances. It's a traction thing. As for the Supercell, the M-Link that it uses is the same as the Repack, which has been raved about far and wide. I have a local Breezer dealer who won't carry either bike though, otherwise I'd have ridden both of them by now. My gut says these bikes are probably both very good. I've actually recommended the Supercell to a friend who has a riding style suited to it.

    maybe you live in another reality where even if you locked out the rear shock (maximum efficiency) the extra weight of a suspension frame does not make itt harder to climb. Otherwise having the frame absorb pedal stroke is "less" efficient.


    The motolink just helps to keep the suspension inline and does not aid in efficiency.

    I have ridden all the suspension designs and the ones like niner uses are the most effective, but still not better than a hardtail for climbing.

    This frames seems outdated and just a bunch of hype. Why go with old tech when better cheaper frames are readily available?

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    Never bothered to lock out the rear shock on a bike. Honestly, I personally ride both a rigid SS and Giant Anthem (maybe that's one of the better cheaper frames you refer to?) and understand fairly well how various forms of suspension work. That said, some forms of suspension are now so good that there simply isn't enough disadvantage to running them in terms of power sapping to offset that added traction. Will a suspension bike ever climb as Efficiently as a rigid bike? No. Does Efficient necessarily equal better? No. There are climbs where the traction of a FS bike out weighs (no pun intended) the efficiency of a rigid bike.

    So, unless you pedal in such a way that you sink a couple inches in the travel of your bike every stroke, or you're riding anything specialized makes, I think a FS bike CAN climb better than a hard tail.

    Want proof? Watch a world cup XCO race. A lot of the men now ride FS bikes, because they don't hurt them on the climbs or the descents.

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    I'm getting my girlfriend a 2014 Breezer Storm comp 29" the build quality on the breezer bikes are awesome and the price for the bikes isn't really all that bad. I have ridden on a few breezer bikes and they handle pretty nice.

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    2014 prices are starting to look very tempting. Any owner feedback and ride reports?

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    Those people who think that rear suspension slows you down in a climb should try riding a hardtail motorcross bike up a bumpy hill. When you hit a solid object (root, rock, rut) something has to give. It can either be the suspension or the rider. Suspension works uphill for the same reason you have air filled tires and not solid rubber ones. (yes, that has been tried). Sure, a fully suspended bike will likely weigh a little more than a comparable hard tail but over time you should be rewarded with less fatigue and more energy.
    I've got another test for you. Inflate your hardtail tires to their max, probably 55-70 psi, and go ride your favorite off-road trail. You just removed most of the suspension from your bike and I promise you won't think that is a faster or more efficient way to ride.
    Today's bicycle suspension technology works really well. You may want less travel in the climbs than on a rough descent but unless you're riding up a paved hill, suspension is going to help you more than it hurts you.

    I too am looking at the falling prices of the 2014 Supercell and am tempted to grab one.

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    I'm just a heartbeat away from pulling the trigger on a Supercell. I've read nothing but great things from those that have ridden/tested the bike, but it's still quite a leap of faith to buy one without ever have seen it much less ridden it.

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    I spent a month or so with the Supercell Team we were testing and liked it a lot. As a straight-up 120mm trailbike, they are not lightweight, but ride lighter than they are IMHO. For me, a dropper post is a no-brainer on the Supercell.

    As much as I enjoyed riding the Supercell, buying any bike sight unseen (and not having at least pedaled one around), that costs as much as they do, is a tough one to recommend.

    An FS that can out-climb a hardtail (especially in a given situation), and an FS being more efficient than a hardtail are two different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elliott436 View Post
    I'm getting my girlfriend a 2014 Breezer Storm comp 29" the build quality on the breezer bikes are awesome and the price for the bikes isn't really all that bad. I have ridden on a few breezer bikes and they handle pretty nice.
    Has she tested it and liked it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kustomz View Post
    2014 prices are starting to look very tempting. Any owner feedback and ride reports?
    Here is a review on a german site: Google Translate

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    Welp... I've done it now, I puled the trigger last night on a Supercell Expert from pricepoint. I was considering building up a frame I have as a 650B, but the components list was getting as expensive as the discounted Breezer price. At $1399 for the Supercell I decided to go for it.

    I will try to document my experience with the Pricepoint purchase, and I'll provide a non-expert review of the Supercell Expert once I get it set up and put a few miles on it.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Sweet. I'll bet you'll be happy as a pig in poop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_J View Post
    Welp... I've done it now, I puled the trigger last night on a Supercell Expert from pricepoint. I was considering building up a frame I have as a 650B, but the components list was getting as expensive as the discounted Breezer price. At $1399 for the Supercell I decided to go for it.

    I will try to document my experience with the Pricepoint purchase, and I'll provide a non-expert review of the Supercell Expert once I get it set up and put a few miles on it.

    Please update this post ASAP. I may grab one myself. Actually considering the Team. So much bang for the buck right now. I'm really curious how much weight can be dropped by swapping out all those Oval cockpit components for carbon. (bars, stem, seatpost) lighter saddle and go tubeless. I can probably drop 6-8 oz in the cockpit, 6-8 on the post and another 10-14 oz by dropping the tubes. All that totals 22-36 oz or 1.3-2.2 pounds! Sure, it would take a few dollars but if the only complaint about the bike it that's it's a couple pounds too heavy, that could be remedied over time with a few easy upgrades.

    Truth is, most of the FS trail bikes I've been looking at are in the 27-31 lb range anyway so while this is at the top of the range, it's not completely unreasonable for a trail bike with 120 mm of travel.

    Really looking forward to your review Doug.
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    The weight on the scale is the only real knock I've heard on these as well, but in reviews it's always pointed out that they ride "light". We'll see how that goes. I'm riding for fun and exercise anyway and don't really care about a pound or so...

    I definitely want to get a review posted on MTBR since there really isn't much info out there on the new FS Breezer bikes, I think it will be helpful to do a review on a base model as well.

    The prices are very good on the '14's at Pricepoint, I was afraid I might miss the discounts if I dragged my feet, but when I spoke to them on the phone a couple of days ago I got the impression that the discount was not going away anytime soon. They had a free shipping deal on all bikes over $1500 that ended Sunday which would have helped with a Team or Pro purchase.

    A check of Pricepoint.com shows my order "in warehouse" so it may ship today. My previous pricepoint orders arrived very quickly since I'm in central CA. I should be able to give an initial impression soon!

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    Pigs in poop got nothing on me...

    Teaser here - More of an un-boxing at this point, hoping to get a ride on it Saturday.

    So Pricepoint didn't fool around. Late night order including a few bits in addition to the bike, and it was showing shipped within an hour of my last post yeaterday morning. Since I'm in central CA it was essentially overnight shipping, the bike was at my house this afternoon!

    They put the bike box into another heavy duty box with my tubes and other items, very well packaged.



    I swapped the front brake to the right side and put it all together, that always fouls up the cable runs a bit. I like the layout, I'll need to tweek the cockpit a little more of course but it's close. It has a nice set of cable clamps running along the downtube, and an extra set of cable guides for a dropper post.

    Assembled:



    It's a pretty bike, and feels good right away just putzing around the driveway. Considerably wider bars than I'm used to, but it feels very nimble and confidence inspiring on the obstacles I've tried in the "yard", including a down hill 2ish foot drop to the flat. I have not been on a 29er before and I was a little concerned that it would feel sluggish even though the Breezer propaganda talks a lot about getting the geometry right to optimize the handling. We'll see what it feels like on the trail.

    I'm coming off a Cannondale Rush with it's notoriously low BB height, this bike is nearly an inch higher at over 13 1/4 by my measure. I didn't have my riding shoes, but right now the seat height is essentially exactly the same as the Rush. I expected it to be quite a bit higher, we'll see where it ends up when I really get to ride it. It feels a little bit roomier so far, and the standover height is only very slightly higher.



    I'll provide a ride report when able, in the meantime here's a few more pics:








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    I was on the trigger to buy a Team edition and the larges sold out. Riding buddy of mine is ordering a Pro edition today.
    I think you should probably just replace that stick-on chain stay protector. I can't see that stuff staying on for very long.
    Enjoy that first ride and let us know. :-)

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    1st ride of many - Me likey

    brcjacks - you might try for a pro version if they still have your size, this is a great bike.

    A little background first if you haven't check 'em out:
    I didn't know anything about the Supercell or Breezer bikes in general before I saw the Supercell. I read as much as I could and learned a great deal about Joe Breeze and the long history of Breezer bikes. In 1977 Joe's "Breezer 1" was the first frame built specifically for what became mountain biking, it resides in the Smithsonian now. So the pedigree is there, the geometry and handling from years of experience is there, and Breezer bikes collaboration with the Sotto group for the suspension design brings that final element to the table.

    So after assembly I did a torque check of all fasteners, adjusted the brakes, derailleurs and installed my pedals. (BTW, it doesn't come with pedals, so if you don't have a favored set already you'll need to buy some) I set the sag 25% or a bit less and she was ready to ride.

    I think I mentioned that this is my first 29er, and even though the reviews mention the handling I was a little concerned it would feel sluggish coming off my lefty equipped Cannondale Rush. Not at all. The Supercell felt great right away, and after a couple of ergonomic adjustments I was ready to go.

    I took the bike out to the San Joaquin River trail near Fresno, CA, a trail I'm very familiar with. The point I entered the trail starts off with a steep, rutted single-track downhill and the bike performed superbly. I had worked the brakes a bit before leaving home, but this first section did the trick as the brakes were broken in and working great by the time I got to the bottom! I have ridden this section in much better conditions on bikes I am familiar with, kinda bombing it a couple of times on a CC bike, not crazy but riding pretty briskly. This time it was very dry over hardpack, rutted, with a brand new bike and rusty rider. I really felt like I took my time, just getting the feel of the bike. Later I looked at the ride on Strava and that 1st downhill popped as an achievement, 3rd best personal time. I have to attribute that to the confidence inspiring feel of the Supercell. Quick and sure turning yet it rolled over stuff like a train.



    The only thing that held me back on the rest of the ride my my own weakness, since i haven't been riding my legs and lungs were not cooperating...

    I realized quickly that I should have set the bike up with a bit more sag, it was a bit stiff and chattery over the light hack on the trail and I left some travel on table. The suspension does feel like it needs some break-in time. The Pro and Team models may be very different in this regard, I don't know. However, it climbs great, is very flickable in the switchbacks, stable and precise downhill, rolls over and through the rocks FAR better than the Rush. The increased BB height, rollover ability and precise handling were apparent on this trail. There's an uphill rocky section that I have only cleared a couple of times previously. Big rocks to roll over and between and it's difficult to clock the pedals to fit through the rocks as you go. Luck or not, but I was pretty gassed when I got there I cleared it the first time through with no trouble. (It's not the area in the picture, that's an easy spot... )

    The X-Fusion suspension pretty worked well, and the interesting mLink rear was very compliant but didn't waste any of my meager energy in the climbs. Should be even better next time with the sag adjusted to a little over 25%, and some rebound tweeks. Yay!

    It's very new, and only time and miles will confirm my initial ride impressions, but it rides great, it's a good looking bike and the build quality appears to be excellent, I'm very pleased with the purchase!

    Now to get out there on the trail and find my legs and lungs...

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    "I set the sag 25% or a bit less. . . ."

    My first thought when I read this was that you're gonna want more sag than that.

    "I realized quickly that I should have set the bike up with a bit more sag, it was a bit stiff and chattery over the light hack on the trail and I left some travel on table."

    I'd try it at about 30-32%. JMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj View Post
    I'd try it at about 30-32%. JMHO.
    I believe you are correct! I don't know if I was thinking along the lines of a 100mm travel bike or what. I played around on the property a bit today and I'm going to adjust a bit more before I go back out. As soon as I get the chance I'll get back out there and see how it feels.

    Thanks for the input!

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    A little late to the party gents, but I actually got a Breezer Supercell Pro last year from my LBS. I have been riding it since last year, and must say that I am extremely pleased. I am a bigger guy at 6 ft 4 in and 220 LBS, so I was looking for more of a trail bike that could take a beating from me and my aggressive riding style. I am no expert on the designs of FS bikes, but this one performs as advertised to me. It stays nice and plush on the downhills, while not caving every time I pedal up.

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    I ordered a Supercell Pro from price point when they had free shipping and it showed up yesterday. I think it was $1600 shipped with a 5% off coupon. I'm coming off a much loved Cannondale Prophet I've had the last 10 years, very similar to Doug's bike.

    Got the bike on the trail today and it rips. Rides light (despite the feel picking it up), feels agile, stay's hooked up, wants to play and be ridden fast. I did a loop I'd usually be dragging after on my Cannondale and felt like I only spent half the usual energy. The bike feels solid and you don't feel any flex like you can in lighter bikes. It's smooth but not overly soft. Construction quality is top notch. Components work great, tires and brakes are superb. My Cannondale always felt like I would hit a wall speed wise where riding any faster just took an exponential amount of energy, I did not feel the same wall on this bike.

    I'm 6'2" and riding a large, it's a touch small but I think an XL would stretch me out too much.

    If your on the fence I say give it a shot, you won't find a nicer bike brand new for the money. I am really happy with the geometry, I did not notice any of the 29er traits people complain about and I was really on the fence about big wheels. To me it just rides like a much improved 26". I would never go back to smaller wheels after todays ride. Can't wait to get back out on it.

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    Here's a pic, looks great in person.

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    This bike closely reminded me of the 2013 Trek Rumblefish Pro. Heavy, but very plush at the same time. My demo Supercell Team was run at 30% sag and it felt absolutely phenomenal, feeling like the travel was "endless."

    It's an XC/Trail bike that can be used on all-day Epics. Yes, the heft on steep, grinding climbs kill....but really nothing that will hurt you, because the bike's optimized geo makes it snappy. The mid-chainstay pivot feels very "floaty." on chunky descents
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    Wonder if this can be purchased as a frame only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kustomz View Post
    Wonder if this can be purchased as a frame only?
    Probably cheaper at this point to buy the low spec bike and part everything but the frame out. You'd probably make 80% back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    This bike closely reminded me of the 2013 Trek Rumblefish Pro. Heavy, but very plush at the same time. My demo Supercell Team was run at 30% sag and it felt absolutely phenomenal, feeling like the travel was "endless."

    It's an XC/Trail bike that can be used on all-day Epics. Yes, the heft on steep, grinding climbs kill....but really nothing that will hurt you, because the bike's optimized geo makes it snappy. The mid-chainstay pivot feels very "floaty." on chunky descents
    I had the same feeling. Never thought a 120 could feel long travel and I was only at 20-25% sag. Will try adding more sag this week to see how it feels.

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    I got mine back out today with the sag at about 30%, a BIG improvement. Very plush and the handling continues to impress me, it seems to have all the advantages of 29" wheels yest handles like my 26er. Today's ride had a long sometimes steep rocky downhill that this bike just excelled on. Very confidence inspiring dropping off rocks even on the steep. The way it climbs is impressive, rolling up and over obstacles superbly. I've been off the bike for a while and it shows, but this thing really climbs well especially if you're maintaining good momentum.

    Loving it so far!

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    I'm really thinking about pulling the trigger on the Supercell. I am pretty torn though as I like the Repack as well.

    I'm fairly new to mountain biking but been into it pretty hard for the past few months. I've lost alot of weight. I'm around 5'8, 185lbs and I was considering a medium as that's waht I'm currently riding in a hardtail 29. I've found the 29er is a bit... big for me as I'm not a tall guy, but maybe it would be right in a FS bike? Or should I just pay alittle more and get the Repack?

    I'm liking all the stuff I read about these bikes and their ability to climb. My whole goal is to never get off and walk. I'm not a hardcore downhiller. It seems the Supercell is a better trail bike than the Repack?

    Any insight you have is appreciated.

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    SMUAlien, I'm 5' 9" with about a 32" inseam and the Medium is an excellent fit. Breezer calls it 18.5 for medium while my current bike is 17" for medium so I compared all the other published measurements to that current ride before I bought. Great fit, lots of standover room and the bike does not feel big like I expected the 29er to feel. It felt great right away without me feeling like I had to adapt to it.

    Sounds like a Supercell is perfect for you if you're not a hardcore downhiller. That said, this bike goes downhill better than of my previous bikes, a GT Hardtail, Marin MT Vision, and a Cannondale Rush. The added suspension travel helps, buts it's the geometry that makes it feel so planted yet easy to flick around. Combine that with the big wheels and and good brikes and it's impressive going down the mountain. The singletrack downhill from yesterday is 2.7 miles and drops about 1200 feet, winding down and over the rocks. There are a bunch of little drops where you're pointed down fairly steep and have to drop the bike off of a little boulder up to 18" high or so. Lots of scrapes on the rocks from pedals, chainrings, bashguards and such, but I cruised down very smoothly. I actually stopped a couple of times to look around at the view, but I noticed as I looked up the ride on Strava to find the downhill distance that yesterday was a personal record for me, by several minutes, on that segment. A dropper post would be optimal here, but otherwise I cannot complain about the bike.

    I think it would work well for you, especially if you can get one at the discount pricing that's out there right now.

    Good luck,
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    Breezer ad photo is NO exaggeration....it can easily handle this kind of riding:Breezer Supercell -Any thoughts?-breezer.jpg

    Try doing that^.....on a 100mm travel 29er!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    Breezer ad photo is NO exaggeration....it can easily handle this kind of riding:Click image for larger version. 

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    Try doing that^.....on a 100mm travel 29er!
    Zach, you have a Repack or a Supercell?
    Having a hard time talking my wife into this lol. I have a 2 month old hardtail that I now need to justify / sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMUAlien View Post
    Zach, you have a Repack or a Supercell?
    Having a hard time talking my wife into this lol. I have a 2 month old hardtail that I now need to justify / sell.
    I demo'd a Supercell Team for 3 days. Main ride is a Superfly FS with 120mm fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_J View Post
    A dropper post would be optimal here. . . . .
    The Supercell and a dropper post would go together like peanut butter and jelly :~)

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    Hi Doug,
    Do you get alot of pedal overlap with the medium frame and 29 in wheels? With my hard tail I grind my feet quite a bit (guess my technique isn't good.) I'm like a milimeter away from pulling the trigger on either the Supercell Expert, Pro, or a Repack.

    I'm glad you enjoy your ride. I've test ridden the Giant Trance, a Trek Remedy, Santa Cruz Bronson, and I'm very interested in the Supercell or Repack the most. On Tuesday my buddy with a medium frame Bronson is going to loan it to me and I'm going to go out for a couple hours (look up Calvera Lake in Carlsbad CA, it's where I ride).

    So far I kinda like my neighbors Remedy the best. I was least impressed with the Trance for some reason (could be the sales dude was too pushy).
    Thanks,

    -Richard

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_J View Post
    SMUAlien, I'm 5' 9" with about a 32" inseam and the Medium is an excellent fit. Breezer calls it 18.5 for medium while my current bike is 17" for medium so I compared all the other published measurements to that current ride before I bought. Great fit, lots of standover room and the bike does not feel big like I expected the 29er to feel. It felt great right away without me feeling like I had to adapt to it.

    Sounds like a Supercell is perfect for you if you're not a hardcore downhiller. That said, this bike goes downhill better than of my previous bikes, a GT Hardtail, Marin MT Vision, and a Cannondale Rush. The added suspension travel helps, buts it's the geometry that makes it feel so planted yet easy to flick around. Combine that with the big wheels and and good brikes and it's impressive going down the mountain. The singletrack downhill from yesterday is 2.7 miles and drops about 1200 feet, winding down and over the rocks. There are a bunch of little drops where you're pointed down fairly steep and have to drop the bike off of a little boulder up to 18" high or so. Lots of scrapes on the rocks from pedals, chainrings, bashguards and such, but I cruised down very smoothly. I actually stopped a couple of times to look around at the view, but I noticed as I looked up the ride on Strava to find the downhill distance that yesterday was a personal record for me, by several minutes, on that segment. A dropper post would be optimal here, but otherwise I cannot complain about the bike.

    I think it would work well for you, especially if you can get one at the discount pricing that's out there right now.

    Good luck,
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    Pedal overlap? Not an issue on this bike, unless you have clown feet... I've never come close that I know of. I would think that 29er geometry has matured to the point that this isn't much of an issue. In my humble opinion, Breezer has it dialed in.

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    Buddy of mine just picked up a Supercell Expert. Got to ride it for about 2 miles of winding singletrack with small hills. Was very impressed how this bike feels versus the other 29er FS ive riden before, especially at this pricepoint. What I liked most was the lack of bob going uphill, felt close to my HT. But with that said, you can feel the weight of the bike on those climbs. Having 4 points of 15mm through axle on the bike gave it this strong feel of the bike is taking all my inputs without flexing since me (and the owner) are clydes.
    Now im really considering looking the Supercell Pro as my next ride this fall.

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    One of my riding buddies just got the Pro edition and loves it. We went out for 20 miles yesterday so we switched bike for a while and I was very impressed with the way this bike rides and how plush it feels on the rough stuff.
    I can also say that he is a vastly better rider on this bike than he was on his 29" hardtail. I know he's go "new bike high" still but I could not believe how much better he was climbing and carving.
    This bike is a sweet ride and for the money you can't beat it. Very nice finish on the bike and top notch welds.

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    I recently just got into mountain biking after looking for a new outdoor activity that will let me push my limits. Unfortunately, there's no mountains to shred in Texas and my weekend motorcycle twisty runs won't cut it here.

    I have been looking for a new 29 for the past 2 months and was looking at the Trek FS8, Transition Bandit, and the Supercell. I was extremely hard trying to find as much information on the Breezer Supercell compared to the others. After reading all the reviews and going through the comments here, I finally pulled the trigger on a Supercell Team on a small frame. Signed up and wanted to say thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CamboRambo View Post
    I recently just got into mountain biking after looking for a new outdoor activity that will let me push my limits. Unfortunately, there's no mountains to shred in Texas and my weekend motorcycle twisty runs won't cut it here.

    I have been looking for a new 29 for the past 2 months and was looking at the Trek FS8, Transition Bandit, and the Supercell. I was extremely hard trying to find as much information on the Breezer Supercell compared to the others. After reading all the reviews and going through the comments here, I finally pulled the trigger on a Supercell Team on a small frame. Signed up and wanted to say thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread.

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    Awesome! Give us your impressions once you get it!

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    I test rode one of these. Nice ride, but these bikes are HEAVY! My riding buddy is on a FS Felt which is noticeably lighter than these Supercells.

    The ride of the Supercell though is like a Cadillac. I've never felt anything quite like it before. Huck it off a curb and it soaks up just the right amount of shock to make things very cushy. The amount of shock absorbed seemed to change depending on what I was doing. If I was dropping it hard, it would absorb a lot of shock. Roll over a manhole cover, almost no absorbtion because it wasn't needed. It was kind of trippy looking down and seeing what the links were doing and how it was working with the shock.

    So, nice ride, if you have the lungs and legs for a heavier bike.

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    It's easy to obsess over weight, we all do it. The Supercell is never going to be the lightest bike on the trail, of that there's little doubt.

    However, the bike does "ride light". I feel that that way and I've read that basic comment in every review I've seen, it's an interesting phenomenon. After riding it more I still feel that it rides light, handles great and goes up and downhill really well. Although after reading many posts about how heavy it is I started to wonder, so weighed it against my Med frame/lefty Cannondale Rush. Both bikes currently have Slime tubes instead of tubeless, and the Supercell is wearing the beefy stock tires. My 26" Rush is a bit more than 3 pounds lighter than the entry level Supercell expert. I'll be adding a KS Lev dropper post by the end of the week, so she's gonna get a little fatter.

    I generally ride wearing a 70 oz hydration pack with food, water, tools, spare tube etc., and I'd like to loose 5 or so pounds around my belly. I guess I'm saying at this point 3 or so pounds isn't an issue - for me. I certainly don't have big legs or lungs either, especially after some time off the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    What did the Supercell weigh?
    The Rush was just under 30# and the Supercell was just over 33#

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    The one I demo'd weighed 29.8 pounds, without pedals(Small Supercell Pro/Team).
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    Love mine. I'm 6'3 and 280 and I can't fault it at all. If I need my setup to lose 5lbs I guess I can go on a diet!

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    Not a bad first post. A rarity for a production bike to withstand someone 6'3" 280 lbs. The Breezer deserves some serious props if it continues to hold up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    Not a bad first post. A rarity for a production bike to withstand someone 6'3" 280 lbs. The Breezer deserves some serious props if it continues to hold up.
    I'm 39 years old and by no means will I be dropping off 3-5' anything some decent trails locally very rooted and some steep short climbs and descents this machine is all I need. It may not be a $6000 Epic or a $4000 Camber but I'm not up to that yet.
    However for $1700 from price point shipped I'd defy anyone to find a better value product out there. Time will tell how well it holds up but it is built like a truck and the 32lb weight shows it, but that's why I like it.
    I have it set at 25% sag right now and that equates to 280psi on the Fox Float CTD rear shock. So yeah I'm close to the 300psi max but Breezer says 300lbs is the max rider weight so I'm still under.
    The XT rear and SLX front are both way smoother than what I used to ride (200GS, 400LX, I'm old). The wheelset is decent, love the thru axles front and rear way more confident in the strength there, so I'll let you know what comes and will sing the Supercell's praises til it fails me.

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    Is this a good bike for a Clyde because of the heavy, yet strong frame and geometry? I am 6'4" 260 lbs. I am looking at the XL, concerned the cockpit might be too small. Thanks.
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    It works great for me.

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    Seriously considering pulling the trigger on one of these. I'm thinking probably a medium? I'm just a hair under 5'10" (about 5'9.75") with a 32" measured inseam.

    Got a kid on the way but been wanting a new MTB for awhile now. Wife has given me $7-800 to play with without catching grief. I could easily sell another toy or two to make up the difference. If pricepoint would run one of their 5% off deals, I'd pull the trigger right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by linvillegorge View Post
    Seriously considering pulling the trigger on one of these. I'm thinking probably a medium? I'm just a hair under 5'10" (about 5'9.75") with a 32" measured inseam.

    Got a kid on the way but been wanting a new MTB for awhile now. Wife has given me $7-800 to play with without catching grief. I could easily sell another toy or two to make up the difference. If pricepoint would run one of their 5% off deals, I'd pull the trigger right now.
    The Expert is 46% off right now. Same as when I bought it a month ago. The Medium will fit you perfectly. I'm 5'9" as well and it fits great. I'm REALLY loving this bike, only thing I'm adding is a dropper post.

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    Yeah, I've been watching it. I need to dig around in the garage and see what I have that I'm willing to sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soarftb View Post
    Is this a good bike for a Clyde because of the heavy, yet strong frame and geometry? I am 6'4" 260 lbs. I am looking at the XL, concerned the cockpit might be too small. Thanks.
    My son and I are both over 6'4", and felt the XL was fine for us. I'm about the same weight as you, my son is lighter.

    If you have really long legs and want a dropper post, I'd get a longer model (430mm). Remember that the XL comes with a 110mm stem.

    At first glance, I would usually expect to replace a 110mm stem with something in the 75mm to 90mm range, but I recalled my time aboard the Fuji hardtail we tested a while back that came with a similarly long-ish stem. I initially swapped it out, and didn't care for the handling, and eventually found the stem they spec'd with the bike handled the best for me.

    I also liked the handling on the XL Breezer Supercell with the 110mm stem (I think the 51mm crown offset helped speed the steering back up), so if you leave it, that will add some length to the cockpit along with the 625mm ETT compared to bikes that use shorter stems.

    If you like super short stems, the 625mm ETT might be a concern.

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    Thanks Jeff. My height is mostly in my torso with regular length legs, short arms. I tend to be heavy over my arms and am always looking for a bike to alleviate that. The price point on this bike is great, the frame weight, not so much.
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    I added a set of 50mm riser bars a few days ago because I was getting a weird pain in my left wrist, I think due to the sweep of the stock bars. After 4 rides the pain has not returned. Nothing else to really report. Bike still rocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by linvillegorge View Post
    Seriously considering pulling the trigger on one of these. I'm thinking probably a medium? I'm just a hair under 5'10" (about 5'9.75") with a 32" measured inseam.

    Got a kid on the way but been wanting a new MTB for awhile now. Wife has given me $7-800 to play with without catching grief. I could easily sell another toy or two to make up the difference. If pricepoint would run one of their 5% off deals, I'd pull the trigger right now.
    I signed up for the email and received a 5% off coupon.
    Was getting an error message when I tried to use the coupon, before expiration. However you can call them and order by phone, and they will honor the coupon. That said, I have been tracking the price since April, don't think it will go up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machianera View Post
    I signed up for the email and received a 5% off coupon.
    Was getting an error message when I tried to use the coupon, before expiration. However you can call them and order by phone, and they will honor the coupon. That said, I have been tracking the price since April, don't think it will go up.
    Helluva tip man! Just signed up and got one too! Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machianera View Post
    I signed up for the email and received a 5% off coupon.
    Was getting an error message when I tried to use the coupon, before expiration. However you can call them and order by phone, and they will honor the coupon. That said, I have been tracking the price since April, don't think it will go up.
    I just ordered an Expert xl last night. I had done the same with the mailing list to get 5%. It actually showed me through the entire checkout process that the discount was applied but the final total didn't include the discount. I finished the order, took some screen shots showing the discount and incorrect total, and emailed CS. Got a response first thing today that it had been corrected and the discount had been applied so that's all set.

    I was going to wait for my Mary SS to sell to keep my wife happy, but I was more concerned about them selling out of my size than about the price changing. This will be my first FS bike, and the first one with gears in about 8 years. Switching to full suspension to take some strain off my back since I've got some ongoing issues there. I can't wait to get this out on the trails.

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    Any updated reports from breezer super cell riders? I am looking at the expert for $1300 from price point. Thanks.
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    I'm having hard time deciding between the Expert and the Pro. Think the Pro is really worth the $300 more premium?

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    For me, I think the expert is enough. It would be my first FS and I am not hardcore at all so saving some cash is worth it over some upgraded components. I have heard good things about the X-fusion suspensions and that the Fox can be unreliable so the expert seems better there. I am not a guru at all on components so that is all I have read.

    My only concern with the bike in general is the weight. It has been well documented that the souped-up suspension adds to the frame weight. As a Clyde that may be better for me, not sure. Anyone have an opinion on that?

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    I just don't like the 3x10 drivetrain. Wish it had the 2x10. Hmm... Maybe the Expert is the better bet..

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    I'm also not concerned about the weight. At my size, and not racing/competing, it's not worth the significant price increase to buy a significantly lighter bike. If I weighed 160 lbs, a 30+ pounder would probably suck. At 230 it really doesn't matter.

    Mine should be here tomorrow per fedex tracking. Planning to ditch the front derailleur and run 1x10, just not sure on the ratio I want yet. Been riding SS for 8 or so years, so I think 10spd is enough for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgredjeep View Post
    I'm also not concerned about the weight. At my size, and not racing/competing, it's not worth the significant price increase to buy a significantly lighter bike. If I weighed 160 lbs, a 30+ pounder would probably suck. At 230 it really doesn't matter.

    Mine should be here tomorrow per fedex tracking. Planning to ditch the front derailleur and run 1x10, just not sure on the ratio I want yet. Been riding SS for 8 or so years, so I think 10spd is enough for me.
    Nice, keep us posted with the build, ride etc. If the weight doesn't matter to you at 230 I guess I shouldn't worry at 260!
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    Will do. Fedex dropped it off this morning but we are dealing with an AC issue currently (failed blower motor) so I haven't opened it yet. No AC in June, in GA is no bueno.

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    How is the tire clearance on this frame?

    This thread really needs some more pics.
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    Got the AC sorted out and hit the garage to check out the new bike. I'm far from a bike mechanic, and I haven't assembled a bike in years but I didn't have any trouble. Torque specs were either on the parts or in the various manuals. I probably spent around 2hrs total including airing up the tires and shocks. The bike came nicely packaged as I've seen mentioned in other posts. A larger box with the Breezer box inside. No indications that FedEx had run over it with their truck so that was promising.

    Here's a few pics of the unboxing, tire clearance that was requested (I presume you meant in the rear of the frame), and the assembled bike. I can't really offer any riding impressions yet. I pedaled around my front yard a few times to get some baseline air pressures in the shocks. I also don't have anything to compare it to besides my hardtail. Once I get back from the beach I'll take it trail riding and be able to offer so more feedback.

    I also got impatient and ordered a BBG bashguard for a 32t so I guess that'll be my front chainring shortly. That's the same size I've had on my SS for year so I'm sure it will be fine.

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    I just got my Supercell Pro put together the other day... now if some of the local trails would dry out I'll be in business.

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    PP every year has very good deals for 4th of July. Like $250 off. But this year they are late, it should have been out 4-5 days ago.

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    Got my Pro this week and took it on the trail yesterday. I'm coming from a ten year old hard tail so this was quite a upgrade. I loved it. Uphill and down I seem to be able to power through more than before. I got an XL as I am 6' 4" 230lbs and it fits well. Thanks for everyone who provided input on the bike. You helped me make my decision. Once I figure out how to post a picture I put one up. My only regret is that I waited too long to get the team version but I am happy with the one I have. Here's to many years of fun riding.

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    I have just about everything tweaked and tuned to my liking. The brakes are a little soft... may need a quick bleed. Looking forward to hittin' a trail tomorrow and run it through it's paces.

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    I got the Pricepoint 4th of July discount email this morning, but it doesn't seem to apply to bikes or frames.
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    Some manufacturer restrictions apply. Discount taken at checkout.

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    yes it does not work. they had a similar deal for cinco de mayo but it did work for breezer.
    plus it had free shipping and the email sign up coupon was 10% off.

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    I got my Repack Team with the 5% off coupon. Ordered it on the 16th. I was all ready to get the Pro when I saw the XL Teams go on sale for the same price I was gonna buy the pro for. I couldn't say no to that deal so I ordered one up.

    I was able to get it out on the trail last weekend and I am very impressed so far. The Trail we took it on is somewhat technical single track with tons of palmetto roots everywhere. It performed great and after 16 miles did not leave me beat up feeling like my hard tail 29er does. This week I will hit Grapefruit Trail which is a much faster flowier free ride style track. Should be a blast and a good improvement over my 120mm Airborne Goblin Evo for that style of riding. Loving this bike so far.

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    Many thanks for this thread. I found the deal before I found this thread, but the input from you guys helped me feel really good about ordering a Supercell Expert, which I did yesterday. It will be here thursday. Unfortunately, I leave Friday for two weeks! But I will update on my build and ride experience. I'm 6'2" (205) and ordered the xl. I'm kind of borderline, but a) I have long legs (34" IS) b) I hate having too much weight on my hands and c) I got to ride an XL repack and the fit was great. I hope I chose right with the Supercell over the repack. We have nothing but hills and mountains here (30 miles from Repack Trail!) but I am definitely not a downhiller. I choose relatively flat, or at least gradual climbs and descents. Not an aggressive rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgredjeep View Post
    Planning to ditch the front derailleur and run 1x10, just not sure on the ratio I want yet.
    I am considering doing this too. Please share what you are considering/what you did.

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    @Afterburn... I am the exact same size as you, and ordered the XL Pro. Finally took it out on it's maiden voyage Monday. The size is spot on! Even though I have long arms, I still seemed just a tad stretched out. My back ain't what it used to be either, so i ordered a 90mm stem, and will see if that works better for me.

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    I just weighed my XL Expert using my bathroom scale (weighed myself, then me+bike). Came in at 33.8lbs exactly how it came out of the box.

    I've got a raceface 32t NW chainring and my bash guard should be here any day now. Once that shows I'll convert to 1x10 and weigh again.

    I also picked up a lizard skin cover I'm going to try on the chainstay. I'm not sure it will fit (got a large) but I'll see soon enough.

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    Just installed the chainstay guard and it fits fine. It's the jumbo size.
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    How is she riding guys, I am reading build reports but I want ride reports. Thanks! Both honest positive and negative impressions appreciated.
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    I'm still playing around with my riding position, as I'm feeling a little too stretched out. Next step is a 90mm stem, and maybe a 70mm, setback seatpost, and some riser bars with a little more sweep. That all may sound counter-intuitive, but I want to experiment with different "geometries", not necessarily all at once though. I think I have the right pressures and rebound adjustment in my shocks as the bike really stays planted on drops and climbs. As I'm getting used to it, and riding the same trail every time out, the bike seems to handle better with more speed.

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    Thanks for the update lemke. How would you guys rate your supercells on a scale of 1 to 10 with one being the worst and ten being the best? This information would help out this potential buyer. Thank you.
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    This is my first FS bike... coming from a HT 29er, so I have no benchmark comparison. However, one of my riding buddies has a Pivot Mach 429 alloy with many more years of experience. We'll swap out bikes and hopefully I can get some good feedback from him.

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    @soarftb... the same buddy of mine is who pushed me to get this bike. He seemed impressed with the specs, especially at the price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemke View Post
    This is my first FS bike... coming from a HT 29er, so I have no benchmark comparison. However, one of my riding buddies has a Pivot Mach 429 alloy with many more years of experience. We'll swap out bikes and hopefully I can get some good feedback from him.
    Thanks lemke. I would be curious to see what your buddy says.
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    Still going strong on mine.
    As I mentioned before I'm kinda hefty and have broken 1 chain and pinged a tooth off the big ring during a miss shift, but the bike itself and all its hardware are performing great. BTW finding Shimano 34t AM chain rings is a pain in the butt. Had to order one from the UK and thank god for KMC missing links!

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    I got the last XL Pro model from pricepoint, should be in my hands tomorrow, ride report to follow. I am in CA for riding terrain typing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Jorgensen View Post
    I got the last XL Pro model from pricepoint, should be in my hands tomorrow, ride report to follow. I am in CA for riding terrain typing
    So it was you! I was looking at that model and size. Oh well, they still have the Expert in XL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soarftb View Post
    So it was you! I was looking at that model and size. Oh well, they still have the Expert in XL.

    I have had my eye on it for a few weeks now. Was out of time for the 4th and needed to time it just right so it would show up today. I was torn between the expert and the pro, the Fox shock and fork pushed me that way, not the higher spec shimano. For the record, the expert color is sweet!

    There was one other LBS in the LA area that had a 15 Team model in Xl, but they were stuck around 3K, can't recall the name of the store

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    I am going to watch this thread for any long term issues with the frame/pivots, as I will be in the market for one of these next year............ Don't be shy updating guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Bone View Post
    I am going to watch this thread for any long term issues with the frame/pivots, as I will be in the market for one of these next year............ Don't be shy updating guys!
    IF you believe the hype (usually about 50% of the story) the pivots on this design are subject to far less wear due to reduced movement, because they do not pivot near as radically to achieve the same amount of travel. Also the bearings are just over the counter cartridge bearings and should be avail anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Jorgensen View Post
    I have had my eye on it for a few weeks now. Was out of time for the 4th and needed to time it just right so it would show up today. I was torn between the expert and the pro, the Fox shock and fork pushed me that way, not the higher spec shimano. For the record, the expert color is sweet!

    There was one other LBS in the LA area that had a 15 Team model in Xl, but they were stuck around 3K, can't recall the name of the store
    Lol no problem. Enjoy the bike. Share some ride reports with us. Thanks.
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    Fresh out of the box, I set the suspension and rode it around the block a few times. Shifting and brakes are pretty good out of the box, but I am sure will need some fine tuning. Pretty beautiful bike despite the absence of color. I was riding a bike with a 15 year old XTR Group (the first year of mega 9 lol). I figured the component group on this would be noticeably better than the old XTR stuff, but not the case. I guess you get what you pay for when you buy XTR, even 15 years later. Here are a few pics. Breezer Supercell -Any thoughts?-20150706_142615.jpgBreezer Supercell -Any thoughts?-20150706_143220.jpg

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    @Marc... what "size" are you? The reason I ask is I'm 6'-2", 34" IS and 36" arms, and I'm already playing around with positioning everything. I feel a little stretched out, but it may be something I'm not used to. I run my seat post (un-cut) as low as it goes. I've installed a 90mm stem, and am waiting on a setback seat post. I plan to ride tomorrow or Wednesday and will report back.

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    Does the bike ride neutral or what are the most noticeable characteristic?
    Would you say the front wheel is easy to pull up?

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    Nice Marc. I really like the darker frame on the pro.

    I'm realizing I won't be much cheaper on my expert by the time I'm done tinkering. Between the 1x10 conversion (just got the bash guard so that will start tomorrow) and the 2.35 Maxxis Ikons I ordered (going to lose over 1lb with those) I'm getting closer. Still, convincing my wife that $1700 was OK just wasn't going to make my life easy. lol I can always make upgrades along the way.

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    Quite the opposite... the front wheel stays planted! That's why I'm thinking I need to shift my whole body position rearward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemke View Post
    @Marc... what "size" are you? The reason I ask is I'm 6'-2", 34" IS and 36" arms, and I'm already playing around with positioning everything. I feel a little stretched out, but it may be something I'm not used to. I run my seat post (un-cut) as low as it goes. I've installed a 90mm stem, and am waiting on a setback seat post. I plan to ride tomorrow or Wednesday and will report back.
    I a 6'4" about the same inseam as you. I have yet to get it out on the trails. I was planning on running a shorter stem and a riser bar with the steerer cut down. I will probably replace all the oval junk with Thomson, just what I like, but it looks pretty decent quality. I like a taller bar, just for comfort, I know you give up a bit of climbing prowess that way, but I am not a pro XC racer by any means. It feels pretty heavy, I guess the XL Pro weighs around 32lbs. But with as much metal is on this thing I think that is pretty light, it looks like a 29er All Mountain bike, pretty sturdy. I will get it out on the trails tomorrow and report how it rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemke View Post
    Quite the opposite... the front wheel stays planted! That's why I'm thinking I need to shift my whole body position rearward.
    Could be the head tube angle, which is listed at 70 degrees, causing this. Seventy is more cross country than all mountain. You can get an adjustable head tube adapter if you want to slack it out more and lower that angle.
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    The bike just feels "heavy" at the typical Texas trail speeds. It starts to come to life when I'm carrying more speed though. I've been measuring everything... and one critical dimension I found, compared to my HT 29er, is the seat tube line to pedal spindle is about an inch further forward on the Breezer. That's why my first "round" of positioning is to get my body position more rearward. Even though the Breezer is only 3 pounds heavier than my HT, it just feels "heavy" and not as responsive. More to figure out and dial in. I'll keep everyone posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemke View Post
    The bike just feels "heavy" at the typical Texas trail speeds. It starts to come to life when I'm carrying more speed though. I've been measuring everything... and one critical dimension I found, compared to my HT 29er, is the seat tube line to pedal spindle is about an inch further forward on the Breezer. That's why my first "round" of positioning is to get my body position more rearward. Even though the Breezer is only 3 pounds heavier than my HT, it just feels "heavy" and not as responsive. More to figure out and dial in. I'll keep everyone posted.
    Good luck, hope you can dial it in. Did you try moving the saddle all the way back? How about a different stem? Maybe bars with more rise so your hands are higher up?

    I also have the problem on all my bikes where I am heavy over my hands and it makes lifting the front wheel hard. I think it is because I have a long torso.

    Maybe your LBS could help out. Small adjustments can go a long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemke View Post
    Quite the opposite... the front wheel stays planted! That's why I'm thinking I need to shift my whole body position rearward.
    Either speed up the rebound on the fork, or slow it down on the rear shock. Report back with the good news ;-)

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    I have a number of rides on mine now, I'll try to give some further impressions.

    I'd estimate that my rides on this bike so far have averaged roughly 12 miles and 1500+ feet of climbing, and I've got 100 miles or so on it. Unfortunately I've only been able to get out about once a week. Most of my rides have been around Shaver Lake, CA at 5-6000 feet, it's just too damn hot lately to hit lower elevation trails unless I'm on the bike near sunrise. I added a KS Lev DX dropper post a few rides ago and it's an outstanding addition to this bike! (thanks Jeffj)

    I think the handling is superb, it's very quick and flickable on the tight single tracks, stable and tracks straight while climbing at very slow speed, (something I do quite a lot...) and really works well downhill too. The bike is very stiff, I haven't noticed any flex from the rear. I don't think the bike feels heavy at all, quite the contrary actualy. Lifting the front for a manual is something I'm trying to learn to do better, it's no different for me on this bike. Bunny-hopping over a tree limb or other trail obstacle comes very easily though. It also seems to be the most predictable bike I've ridden in recent memory while jumping.

    Mine is the expert, and while the X-fusion suspension works well some additional adjustability would be nice. I'm right at 30% sag as Jeffj recommended and it's doing great. The rear suspension does not seem to be very progressive as it seems to use most of it's travel quickly, but it is very plush and I can't say I've really felt it bottom, even when the o-ring is indicating that I'm using all of it.

    I obviously very satisfied with it, especially for the price I paid I have NO regrets.


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    1x10 conversion

    So I did my 1x10 swap today. I'll start out by saying, I'm a dumbass. Not enough research, or measuring, or just assuming things would fit. I ordered a Raceface 32t narrow wide chainring, and a BBG bash guard. Expecting no issues, I pulled the cranks, unbolted the OE chainrings, and set the bash guard in place.

    Take note: If you are looking to convert to 1x10 with your SC Expert, the Deore cranks are 96BCD, not 104 like every other common crank. I'm not sure if this is also the case on the SLX or XT cranks (I've read mixed info since discovering I was a dumbass) but measure to be sure if you are converting your Pro or Team Supercell.

    Now that we got that out of the way, I was not going to be denied on my swap today. I ended up robbing my SS of it's FSA Afterburner cranks to complete the swap. Thankfully they had the same BB measurements and fit right in place of the Deore cranks. Other than the unexpected crank swap, it was straightforward.

    If you want to swap to 1x10 with the Deore cranks, I have found some 30t nw chainrings with 96BCD (they are more expensive than the 104s I found), and BBG does make a 30t 96BCD bash guard. Just make sure you get the right parts to fit your cranks and it's a really simple job. Coming off of only riding SS for the last 8 years, 10 gears feels like more than enough to me.

    Once I got the drivetrain done I rode a few quick laps around the yard trying to dial in the fit. As others mentioned, the seat feels a bit forward to me. I moved it back as far as the seatpost allowed but I still wanted a bit more. I'm going to try my post from the SS as it's offset a bit more. If that feels right I'll pick up a new post. Other than the seat position I feel good on the bike. I also stuck some ergo grips on, which I've been running for a few years. This is my first FS bike so I don't have anything to compare with. I tried a few quick stand up pedal assaults and didn't notice any significant bob or bounce. The frame feels really tight and solid. I'm going to try running some singletrack trails tomorrow and I'll report back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj View Post
    Either speed up the rebound on the fork, or slow it down on the rear shock. Report back with the good news ;-)
    Or a combination of speeding up the fork, and slowing down the rear shock.

    Like any FS, you have to get the front and rear suspension working together. In the case of having the bike be more or less neutral in the air, rebound speed is a better way to get there rather than moving your weight too far back or forward from your natural jumping form. That's one of the first things I check when riding a new bike on the trail, is to find some smaller things to boost off of and see if the front and rear are synch'd before I hit anything hard.
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    Another thought about this bike; I'm not sure I would automatically be compelled to go to a shorter stem like I might with many other bikes. Unless you have some other stems laying about, I would give the stock stem some time and see how it goes, maybe try some different stem heights while you're fiddling with it.

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    FYI, the SLX crankset on the Pro is 104/64 BCD.

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    Thanks jeffj... all input is welcome, and will be put to the test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemke View Post
    FYI, the SLX crankset on the Pro is 104/64 BCD.
    Thanks. I read that the current XTR was 96 BCD so I guess they did the top and bottom line in that size.

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    A couple of shots (screen grabs from cell phone video) of my son enjoying some air time on the Supercell. You see the front wheel is up a little as he comes off the lip, and then rotated on over as he landed. He overshot the landing a little, but the bike landed just right.

    And, as you can see, he used every millimeter of travel as well as really putting the tires to the test

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    Nice Jeff.
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    I took my first ride this afternoon. Other than being out of shape, and picking the hottest part of the day to ride, I thoroughly enjoyed it. As expected, the ride was infinitely smoother than I'm used to. I kept finding myself looking down to see if my tires were losing air when I would hit a root and not feel it [/hardtailguy].

    The trail today was a single track loop between the river and canal here in Augusta. Not a lot of elevation, just twisty flowing trails. There are a fare amount of roots and the trail is often tight. I felt very comfortable on the bike as far as handling. It takes more effort than I'm used to pulling the front off the ground, but I got the feel for it quickly. Overall I'm completely satisfied with the purchase. It feels very solid and predictable which I wasn't sure about with this being my first FS. I'm sure as I get it dialed in I'll continue to enjoy it.

    Speaking of dialing in, I need to hook up with a local who is familiar with suspension setup. I probably don't have enough air in the rear shock based on the amount of travel the o-ring indicates I used considering the trail I was on. I'll take some better sag measurements to start and go from there. I definitely need a different seat post with more offset. I was consistently sitting on the very back of the saddle. I'll wait until I get that sorted to decide how I feel about the seat. At the moment I don't like it, but it wasn't in the right location so I'll reserve judgement for now. Other than the seat position the cockpit felt really natural to me. I might throw a riser bar on to get a little more upright, but the stem length feels fine.

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    @bgredjeep... you experienced some of the exact things I was. Hard to pull the front up, and I can't get my butt far enough back. I installed a 90mm stem, and put the big spacer on the top. I also shortened my bars 15mm each side. That really helped speed up the steering for me. I have a "bent" seat post on the way. Hopefully that will lighten up the front by shifting my weight back a bit.

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    Thanks for the updates guys. I just got a new Hardtail so I won't be getting the Breezer soon. The inability to lift the front wheel concerns me because I already have trouble with that on my other bikes.
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    That's too bad soarftb... after installing the seat post, and adjusting the shock settings some more, my buddy took my bike and proceeded to ride a wheelie halfway down the trail. He said, "It's perfect, now quit dicking with it, and go ride!"

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    That's good to hear. I was just looking at seat posts. I was going to try one from another bike but it was the wrong size. Before I order one I'm going to check the lbs for any take off posts that will work.

    Got my maxxis ikons today and installed those. I haven't weighed the bike since, but per the spec I lost 1.2lbs. They don't really look any wider than the Bronsons that came with the bike, but the tread on the bronson is a lot taller so that probably makes the difference. Most of the trails around me close if they are really wet so I don't have much need for the deep tread. I'll try the new tires in a few days.

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    I don't get the "hard / inability to lift the front" statements??? This has not been my experience at all. Now, it is much easier with the dropper post installed of course, but floating the front over roots and rocks while seated, or lifting it standing has not been an issue. This is not something I'm strong at, I'm simply comparing directly to other bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_J View Post
    I don't get the "hard / inability to lift the front" statements??? This has not been my experience at all. Now, it is much easier with the dropper post installed of course, but floating the front over roots and rocks while seated, or lifting it standing has not been an issue. This is not something I'm strong at, I'm simply comparing directly to other bikes.
    I did 40 miles this week on mine as well, right out of the box, mine is the pro....no issues whatsoever, seems pretty easy to bounce the front up and over stuff, very nice bunny hopping bike too.

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    Well one thing I was doing was adjusting the fork rebound in the wrong direction, doh! But I did seem to put a little too much weight forward... shorter stem, narrowing the bar, and the setback seat post solved that. This bike flipping rules now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_J View Post
    I don't get the "hard / inability to lift the front" statements???
    Compared to what I've been riding, it's harder (takes more effort) to pop a wheelie. Does that clarify? It's not a problem, just an observation of how the bike feels vs what I've ridden.

    I got the feel for it during my first ride.

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    Well. I believe my large stature caused the first failure today. Rest easy it wasn't anything to do with the frame/shock/forks. It was the freehub.
    On a short but steep climb I felt like the chain broke, looked down to see the rear dérailleur pulled all the way forward and the chain trying to come off the front chainring. Weird, thinks I. Well I make sure it's all still attached and pedal on. A few feet later I try to coast and off comes the chain again. Turns out the freehub had become a fixie. So I rode, legs a going, for a mile and a half back to my truck. Drove home and pulled the back wheel. Yup the cassette was firmly locked. Couldn't turn it by hand at all. Put a chainwhip on it and with a pretty good amount of force it clicked loose then locked, over and over.
    Did some research on the webernet and found this is not an uncommon problem with shimano freehubs.
    Ordered a new one on eBay for $25 so will be replacing it when I get back from work on Saturday.
    Again NOT THE BIKE, the bike still rocks. I'm down 25lbs since April and the Supercell is why.
    Let me know if any of y'all have any freehub issues.
    Cheers!

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    I can't say I have many miles on the stock wheels... the first thing I put on my Supercell was a DT Swiss/ Frequency i23 wheelset.

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    I was on the fence between Expert and Pro but when I tried to add them to my cart the Pro was sold out, so that made it an easy decision and I ordered an Expert (which I am not) in medium.

    I know it's not recommended to buy a bike without riding it first but that's one of the upsides, IMO, to not having tons of experience. All I have to compare it to is my Giant Talon HT and I'm confident it'll be an upgrade over that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungusaurus View Post
    Well. I believe my large stature caused the first failure today. Rest easy it wasn't anything to do with the frame/shock/forks. It was the freehub.
    On a short but steep climb I felt like the chain broke, looked down to see the rear dérailleur pulled all the way forward and the chain trying to come off the front chainring. Weird, thinks I. Well I make sure it's all still attached and pedal on. A few feet later I try to coast and off comes the chain again. Turns out the freehub had become a fixie. So I rode, legs a going, for a mile and a half back to my truck. Drove home and pulled the back wheel. Yup the cassette was firmly locked. Couldn't turn it by hand at all. Put a chainwhip on it and with a pretty good amount of force it clicked loose then locked, over and over.
    Did some research on the webernet and found this is not an uncommon problem with shimano freehubs.
    Ordered a new one on eBay for $25 so will be replacing it when I get back from work on Saturday.
    Again NOT THE BIKE, the bike still rocks. I'm down 25lbs since April and the Supercell is why.
    Let me know if any of y'all have any freehub issues.
    Cheers!
    As long as you are comfortable with dealing with cone bearings and axles, replacing shimano freehubs is not terribly difficult. I have not worked on any of them with the 12mm through axle, and those may need some different size cone wrenches than the regular QR axle type (which usually require a 15mm and a 17mm cone wrench). A metal pencil with a small magnet where an eraser would normally resides can make the job easier. Make sure to torque down the fixing bolt that holds the freehub to the hub shell pretty good. Same thing with the cone and jam nut on the freehub side as they are notorious for coming loose if you don't.

    You and I live in the same neighborhood with regard to size. I have, over the years, toasted several Shimano freehubs because of that. Usually, it is the short but super steep climbs that seem to be the place this happens. In your case, I would look onto getting a DT Swiss 350 rear hub, and have it laced into your current rim. Not a cheap upgrade, but one that will pay dividends over years of trouble free service, and they are super easy to maintain.

    OTOH, and IME, if you can get your weight down to 220 lbs or less, the Shimano freehubs will be less likely to detonate due to rider size.
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    So, what's assembly going to be like? Any special tools I should go get ahead of time?

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    Just an allen wrench set to put your stem/ handle bars on. Everything else is good to go! The initial adjustments I made were adjusting the brake/shifter levers and re-centering the calipers.

    It will take you longer to get everything out of the box and unwrap the parts.

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    Sweet! Supposed to be delivered Saturday (as long as I'm here, I assume I'll have to sign for it), then hopefully take it out Sunday and be totally lost on adjusting a fork and shock together!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon_ View Post
    So, what's assembly going to be like? Any special tools I should go get ahead of time?
    Mine went together very easy. I checked tightness on everything and the only thing I needed to tighten up were the lock on grips, and one of the crank bolts was not tight enough. Shifting was spot on right out of the box. Pull the axles and put a light coating of grease on them, lube the chain up, make sure you cable routing is good, and ditch the crappy chain stay protector and ride. You will obviously need a shock pump to adjust suspension, I went with what I found on the shock and fork from the FOX website. The manuals are junk for the bike, very basic manufactures crap, nothing specific is provided for assembly or set up. Enjoy, I have ridden mine almost every day since I got it, loving the bike. To me it feels more like and agressive trail bike. I am 6'3" and 220 and I use all the suspension for sure, but it still soaks up what I ask and more. Still trying to figure out how to climb the best on a FS bike, but that is rider issue, not the bike, I just have to improve my riding.
    Good luck and enjoy!

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    Any of you bigger guys adjusted the rebound? I have both front and rear shocks on the highest "fast" setting. Is that what you are setting it at?

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    @Slyham... I'm about 3/4 of the way of highest setting, and I try to dial in the rear shock to be slightly "slower" than the fork. What pressures are you running? The last time out I was 100 front, 210 rear.

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    If you bought the Supercell Expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Jorgensen View Post
    The manuals are junk for the bike, very basic manufactures crap, nothing specific is provided for assembly or set up.
    X-Fusion's website has adequate info on setting up the fork and shock on the Expert:

    X Fusion Shox - Home
    http://www.xfusionshox.com/images/pd...ers-Manual.pdf
    http://www.xfusionshox.com/images/pd...Setupguide.pdf

    I left town for two weeks the day after mine arrived, so it is still sitting in the box. Looking forward to getting home and getting it together and, what its all about, riding it!

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    I just stopped by the lbs to see about a different seat post. I took the seat and post with me. The guy at the shop saw my current seat and suggested measuring my sit bone. Turns out I need a much wider saddle. The OE is 143, and based on my measurements I need a 168. Going to get that sorted before changing the post. I don't want to change too many things at once so I can tell the effect of each.

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    Your saddle is important to keep your butt happy so you can concentrate on the things that matter. I bought several saddles off Ebay and the bargain bin at my LBS. One seat I have that was bought under recommendation, is the WTB Speed V, fits great! I've also seen several other guys at the trails with the same one.

    One other thing I learned... if you haven't ridden in a while, any seat is going to hurt for the first couple weeks. So don't go "chasing your tail" until you've got a few miles under your butt!

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    Agreed. I've got a wtb saddle on my SS which I liked. I've also used specialized seats with good results. For now I picked up a specialized toupe 155 to try. It is significantly wider than the original seat. If it doesn't work out the shop will take it back and I'll probably pony up for a specialized Power seat.

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    I've heard good things about the Specialized seats... I just haven't found any used to try out.

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    Thanks lemke for the reply. I had 180 and 80. I've bumped up the pressure and turned down the rebound. I'll be riding this weekend so I'll see how it feels.

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    I'm about 210 pounds. My initial pressures were 220/110, and it was a little harsh. But then again, I'm not a fast or aggressive rider nor are there local trails that have any long descents. I also found that setting the rear shock sag on the "plushier" 30% rule made the bike really sluggish. So once I got the rear where it felt good, about 20-25% sag, I started messing with the front. I like my fork to be a little "snappier" than the rear. It just works for me...

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    I was also trying to follow the originally suggested 30% sag rule. This is my first time setting up a full suspension bike so I appreciate all the help I can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyham View Post
    I was also trying to follow the originally suggested 30% sag rule. This is my first time setting up a full suspension bike so I appreciate all the help I can get.
    Yep, dont worry about exact air pressure as much as getting your sag correct. Rebound adjustment is going to be preference and varry for different riders and condition. The pro has the three postion CTD and it works great, basically three different settings with the flip of a lever. I leave mine in trail most of the time, sometime I will put the front in Climb and leave the back in trail. THe Mlink does a great job of not bobbing (if you have the front firmed up).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemke View Post
    Your saddle is important to keep your butt happy so you can concentrate on the things that matter. I bought several saddles off Ebay and the bargain bin at my LBS. One seat I have that was bought under recommendation, is the WTB Speed V, fits great! I've also seen several other guys at the trails with the same one.

    One other thing I learned... if you haven't ridden in a while, any seat is going to hurt for the first couple weeks. So don't go "chasing your tail" until you've got a few miles under your butt!
    The stock seat ain't bad, but my last bike I ran a rocket V team, that thing was sweet. The stock seat has chromo rails and a crappy cover though, I am not expecting it to last long. A quality upgrade is in store

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    I have a Rocket V on my HT... slightly narrower than the Speed V. I like the Rocket because it allows me to move around just a tad easier.

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    Mine arrived today and as @lemke said, it took longer to get it unpacked than to assemble.

    It should also be noted that most I work I ever did to my Talon was change brake pads and tubes so I never had handlebars off, mounted calipers, any of that stuff....but with a set of allen wrenches and a touch of common sense it was easy.

    I have an alley across from my house that has a bunch of potholes. Initially set the suspension to 100f/200r and immediately noticed the "hard to pop the front end up" that was mentioned. Should I be adjusting the air pressure in the shock or the rebound to help this (as well as adding to the fork), or is it a combination of all 3?

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    Is Breezer the company going out of business ? I'm curious why this bike sells at such a low price compared to other FS bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_J View Post
    I don't get the "hard / inability to lift the front" statements??? This has not been my experience at all. Now, it is much easier with the dropper post installed of course, but floating the front over roots and rocks while seated, or lifting it standing has not been an issue. This is not something I'm strong at, I'm simply comparing directly to other bikes.
    I agree, I read this and was shocked. This thing is super neutral maybe even slightly front end light, you can float the front end over anything. The first time I took it for a ride I was shocked how easy it was to just put some power into the pedals and easily carry the front end.

    I also don't get the complaining about the weight, I don't feel it at all, maybe I'm riding faster than others and carrying more speed but I don't notice it at all, even on climbs.

    I've probably got 150 miles on my bike on mostly technical new england single track and love it every ride. I've picked up so much speed and confidence over my old Cannondale Prophet that my legs are shaking through some of the really sketchy stuff but the bike just goes through it like nothing. The faster I go the better it works but if you are just casually pedalling and not really working it I can see where some of these comments may come from. Get on the gas, it'll take care of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEET View Post
    Is Breezer the company going out of business ? I'm curious why this bike sells at such a low price compared to other FS bikes.
    They don't have the renown in the [current] mountainbiking world to sell their bikes for a premium, with an un-proven suspension design even more so.

    However, for the price you can get them for they're a great deal. Especially the x-fusion equipped ones. If I had the spare cash and room I'd be ordering a Breezer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEET View Post
    Is Breezer the company going out of business ? I'm curious why this bike sells at such a low price compared to other FS bikes.
    These are 2014 closeouts. There are great deals out there if you don't mind riding "last year's" model. I know I don't

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoMountainsBiker View Post
    These are 2014 closeouts. There are great deals out there if you don't mind riding "last year's" model. I know I don't
    Especially since the 14 and 15 are virtually identical. Not many changes at all. I personally like the low volume of the bike. I know when I hit the trail there are going to be a ton of Trek's, Giants, Cannodales, etc, you wont run into many Breezers. The group they are part of has many companies including, Fuji, Kestrel, and SE bikes under there banner. And the design team that Joe Breeze tasked to come up with something slightly different, even if it is not as radical as say a complex iDrive system, really knows what they are doing and has designed plenty of FS designs. Sum it up......Breezer brings the lineage and bloodlines to the company, but he got help from big corporations, and designers to come with a legit product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj View Post
    As long as you are comfortable with dealing with cone bearings and axles, replacing shimano freehubs is not terribly difficult. I have not worked on any of them with the 12mm through axle, and those may need some different size cone wrenches than the regular QR axle type (which usually require a 15mm and a 17mm cone wrench). A metal pencil with a small magnet where an eraser would normally resides can make the job easier. Make sure to torque down the fixing bolt that holds the freehub to the hub shell pretty good. Same thing with the cone and jam nut on the freehub side as they are notorious for coming loose if you don't.

    You and I live in the same neighborhood with regard to size. I have, over the years, toasted several Shimano freehubs because of that. Usually, it is the short but super steep climbs that seem to be the place this happens. In your case, I would look onto getting a DT Swiss 350 rear hub, and have it laced into your current rim. Not a cheap upgrade, but one that will pay dividends over years of trouble free service, and they are super easy to maintain.

    OTOH, and IME, if you can get your weight down to 220 lbs or less, the Shimano freehubs will be less likely to detonate due to rider size.
    Thanks Jeffj, Yeah I've been riding at 240 or above for 20 years and have never had a freehub fail like that. The LBS didn't have a 15mm allen so I'm still waiting for them to pull the hub off.
    I will look into the DT350, heard great things about it. In the mean time I ordered a spare back wheel so I will have one if this ever happens again.
    Still loving the bike, just wish I could get on it today!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon_ View Post
    Mine arrived today and as @lemke said, it took longer to get it unpacked than to assemble.

    It should also be noted that most I work I ever did to my Talon was change brake pads and tubes so I never had handlebars off, mounted calipers, any of that stuff....but with a set of allen wrenches and a touch of common sense it was easy.

    I have an alley across from my house that has a bunch of potholes. Initially set the suspension to 100f/200r and immediately noticed the "hard to pop the front end up" that was mentioned. Should I be adjusting the air pressure in the shock or the rebound to help this (as well as adding to the fork), or is it a combination of all 3?
    I moved my riding position rearward... 90mm stem and bent seat post. That helped a lot for me. Once you have the right amount of "sag" dialed in your shocks, start adding rebound. I prefer a fork that pops a little quicker than the rear shock.

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    Maybe a silly question, but what are you guys doing about a chainstay protector?

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    My Repack came with one on it ( I believe the Supercell has the same one)but the adhesive on it isn't holding that great on the edges so I added a few tie wraps to make sure it stayed in place. I will be doing something more permanent eventually.

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    I added a lizard skinz wrap to the chainstay.

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    I put a wrap of electrical tape around each end of the stock protector, figuring I would do something more permanent later on. I have touched it since...

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    I was just curious because of the pivot location.

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    The dusty local trails have beat the adhesive on mine. I currently have it zip tied on, but I'll wind up wrapping an old piece of inner tube around it with a couple of zip ties. I don't think it will affect the link.

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    The jumbo size lizard skin wrap didn't have any effect on the suspension on mine. You can see the pic on pg5.

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    Perception of Weight

    I think some of the perception of this as a heavy bike comes from the "D-Fusion" tubes. They are much larger cross-section than a lot of bikes out there. But, as an engineer, I can tell you that this is a sign of advanced engineering. This cross-section, especially when combined with butting and hydroforming, gives you a greater strength to weight ratio. Its all relative, but if you compare this bike to a standard tubular frame of the same strength (strength itself is not a simple subject, but lets pretend we can compare apples to apples) this frame will be significantly lighter.

    That said, clearly Breeze erred on the side of strength. This is not a light bike. But it is not a heavy bike either. But those super fat, vaguely d-shaped tubes, are not nearly as thick as as skinnier, round or other dimensional tubes. Even though they have a larger cross section, you would find the volume of aluminum to be similar to all other aluminum frames (of the same alloy). But with greater strength.

    Just got back from trip yesterday and unpacked it. Can't wait to get it assembled and on the trail.

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    Getting back into the mtb scene and after spending the spring until now on my old Gary Fisher HT with a crappy shock I started looking for bikes. Was going the used route but could find anything that seemed worth it for the money. Stumbled across the Breezer and then this thread. Pulled the trigger and it should show up tomorrow..

    This will be my first FS bike and first new bike in 7-8 years. I was really hoping to find a used bike with a full XT build for a reasonable price but that wasn't seeming to workout unless it was 5-6 years old. Anyway, this bike is an upgrade in every aspect compared to my GF (except maybe weight). Excited to give it a ride.

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    Awesome man! After getting mine "dialed in" I'm thoroughly impressed. But then again, this is my first FS coming from a GT hardtail... it's all good. Keep us posted!

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    I am pretty stoked. I didn't mind the hard tail on the climbs but the downhills just seem a lot harder on me than when I was in my 20's.I was finding myself slowing down, not because I couldn't control it but because my body couldn't take the beating.

    Any tips on setup? Seems like getting sag and rebound dialed in is what makes the difference? Does the bike come with a guide for setup at all? I haven't worked with suspension on bikes but have experience with atv's, motorcycles, and jeeps so it isn't totally foreign.

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    There are several people (including me) on this thread that have shared their setups. I have found that setting up sag a little less than the 30% "plush" rule works for me... about 25%.

    I also had to play around with body position on the bike by employing a shorter stem and setback seat post. I'm not sure if it was due to riding style, poor posture, or I'm just old and seek comfort. Ha!

    I can totally relate to your "body couldn't take the beating" comment... which is what prompted me to get a full suspension bike, LOL.

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    I will start around the 25-30% range. Probably be a good idea to take the shock pump with me the first few rides to try making changes as I go. Luckily, I am still in pretty poor shape so I have plenty of breaks to think about making adjustments.

    I read that some have had trouble getting the front end up, I have that problem with my Fisher. Really interested in how this one feels. I was hesitant to buy a bike without riding it but then again I have never bought a bike I had demo'd so what difference would I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemke View Post
    There are several people (including me) on this thread that have shared their setups. I have found that setting up sag a little less than the 30% "plush" rule works for me... about 25%.

    I also had to play around with body position on the bike by employing a shorter stem and setback seat post. I'm not sure if it was due to riding style, poor posture, or I'm just old and seek comfort. Ha!

    I can totally relate to your "body couldn't take the beating" comment... which is what prompted me to get a full suspension bike, LOL.
    Also look around on BikeRumor.com as they had a full series of articles that they did on proper setup of your bike's suspension. Pretty good stuff but yeah as everyone else said, best to start with about 30% sag and then move from there depending on feel for you and the terrain. Get yourself a nice engineering ruler or seamstress tape measure so that you can accurately measure everything. Or if you just want a "cool toy" you can get the SAGGLE! I like mine, yeah I spent the money on one, and have lent it out to buddies for setup of their bikes. Pretty nifty but ultimately you can do the same with a ruler.

    As for the "old man back" issues, I am right there with you guys and that is exactly why I built my FS trail bike. Figured I was starting to like more aggressive terrain and riding and the 100mm XC Steel HT (On-One Inbred 29er) was just not cutting it unless there were fast flowy sections. Couldn't pass the deal up on the Thumper frame so it began there.

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    Welcome duneslider. Keep us posted. I continue to love the Supercell. I've been riding once or twice a week since I got it.

    Anyone attach a bottle cage to theirs? Looks like there is a spot under the down tube but I only see one bolt.

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    Mine has 2, but I ride with a camelbak so I haven't tried to mount anything. Maybe one of the cable clamps is using your other bolt hole.

    I'm expecting my riser bar and stem to be here tomorrow so I can get my riding position where I want. I'm just not comfortable leaning over as far with my back trouble. Other than that I've been living the bike. I also initially ordered the wrong brake adapter so the correct mount will be here tomorrow so I can mount the 203mm rotor.

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    Camelbak for me. I have no idea what that lone bolt is for, but a water bottle wouldn't last one ride down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Also look around on BikeRumor.com as they had a full series of articles that they did on proper setup of your bike's suspension.
    Here is a link to a pdf download of that suspension guide. Lots of good stuff, unless you really know your stuff it will take some work getting it setup properly. Or you just get lucky...

    http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdn...etup-Guide.pdf

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    I found the articles on bikerumor, they even have them all combined into one downloadable pdf, tried making a link for it but it appears the site doesn't like me doing that so it didn't work. There is a lot of good info in it.

    That saggle is pretty cool and 12.99 isn't horrible.

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    Loving the supercell!!! Had it for about a month. Got it at pricepoint like quite a few of us!

    So far put shorter stem, 60mm, went tubeless(so easy with the stock rims already taped), and put on some parts bin 1" riser bar, but may go flat again.

    Took the family to Mulberry Gap this past week. Great place, I'm from Florida so the mountains are so cool!

    I did manage to fold the front wheel....my fault.....going down a steep off-camber switchback. Being from florida I tend to ride with my tire pressure pretty low, 20-22psi due to the sand.

    I inflated the tires on all the bikes(5) before we left thinking we would be in a rush to ride right when we got in the parking lot. So I set mine to 22psi, by the time the pump came off it was probably 20-21psi.

    We rode some that day. The next morning I was riding some trail on the property and that's when it happened.

    I burped the front tire, tire goes limp, rim gets a lot of weight, turns in to a potato chip shaped object. I tumble, bike chased me, bike catches me or the chainring did, I see the Stan's seeping out stopping the leak.

    I can't be sure, but I think a lot of small factors caused this to happen. Since the weather was a good bit cooler in the morning the tire psi was probably down to 18psi, the steep tight angle of the turn plus downhill had me put a lot of pressure on the front tire, and I probably could have scooted my butt back even more past the seat to take some pressure off the tire.

    I do love the Bronson tires and I thought I would hate the squarish profile. Just the opposite. I put some mountain kings on another bike...hate'em, thought for sure I would like'em.

    I see a few of you have upgraded wheels...anyone selling a front or both?

    The past few days I've been riding my hardtail....man did I get spoiled by the breezer!

    I did have my hardtail with me at Mulberry Gap. So I rode that a bit, but I also used it's front wheel on the breezer. It's a surly rabbit hole 26" with a dirt wizard.....talk about steep head angle, but it was no problem.

    I also tried a set of 27.5's when I got home on the bike for the heck of it....with the mountain kings I hate.....bike felt soooo slow.

    Long post sorry....

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    Just got done with 9.5 miles of rocks, roots and logs. I am still adjusting the suspension a little at a time. I have no idea how it's supposed to feel so I'm still going by the o-rings and "yeah i think i like that" or "no, not so much".

    I'll say it. It climbs better than my hardtail. Not a high end HT at all, but still. It's got a little bob to it when really grinding it out but I like it. It still goes forward when I pedal and it saves my body that little bit of abuse. More efficient? Probably not. Better? I think so. I also felt much better and less beat up at the end of my ride.

    The 9.5 miles I just finished was at my fastest pace ever according to my phone. Not bad for a bike I got 4 days ago.

    I'm going to keep riding it before I change anything. My initial thought was "whoa, this is way different than my Talon" and immediately I started thinking "shorter stem, riser bars, etc....". But I figured it's probably different for a reason, so lets give it a shot. I definitely have more weight forward and came close to going OTB twice. Just something I need to keep in mind when going down steep, rocky descents.

    ETA: Someone said it earlier in this thread and I find it to be true too, the faster you go the better it rides. Just go and hang on, it won't let you down.



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    Assembled and Quick Ride This Morning

    Just fire road with a little single track a few blocks from my house, but I want to get it somewhat dialed in before Sunday when a friend and I are going to do some trail riding.

    First impression is GREAT. Such a smooth, stable bike. I went with about 25% sag which I like quite a bit. Dropping off curbs at moderate speed is almost unnoticeable. I am going to try 30% tomorrow. Need to play around with rebound on the front which feels a little too quick.

    Brakes definitely need adjusted (bled?). The levers give me too little grip at first, and then suddenly clamp down really hard in the last bit of travel.

    Only other thing I need to tweak is fit. I bought the xl and I am 6'2". Seat all the way down pedal reach is just about perfect for flatland. Maybe a tad too high to slide back behind the seat for downhill, but didn't get a chance to try it this am. Any reason not to cut a cm off the post just to give additional range to play with? I'm never going to extend the post far enough to have issues with over extension.

    Also, I really feel what some have said in that it is very hard to get the front wheel off the ground (on flat). I definitely feel forward on my hands. Which would you try first:
    1. stem extender
    2. higher rise angle stem
    3. adjustable angle stem
    4. shorter stem
    5. riser bars

    I'd like to stay away from replacing the bars unless that is just the best approach. Adjustable stems I've had before on road bikes, but worries me for a mt bike? The stem dropping several, or even a few degrees, because of an impact sounds pretty scary. Or is this not an issue? Never happened to me on the road bike.

    Finally, can anybody advise me on securing the front brake cable? The hardware was in the bag with the brake manual. But the screw just doesn't seem to fit the seat on the fork (photo). What am I missing?
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    Mine fit fine there once I found the clamp and screw. I can't recall where it was, but I missed it during initial assembly.

    As for which options are best for adjustment, it's hard to say. I've been tweaking after each ride. I just installed a 90mm stem and 40mm riser bar this afternoon. I'm slowly getting it dialed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgredjeep View Post
    Mine fit fine there once I found the clamp and screw. I can't recall where it was, but I missed it during initial assembly.

    As for which options are best for adjustment, it's hard to say. I've been tweaking after each ride. I just installed a 90mm stem and 40mm riser bar this afternoon. I'm slowly getting it dialed in.
    I'll go through my things again. Any chance you can post a pic? I bet we are talking about the same thing. I'll try again tonight in better light. For now it is zip-tied .

    If I remember right, you are similar size to me (6.2) and on an xl also?

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    I have a Supercell Team and love it. I ride it the 4miles to and from work and love hitting the local trails. I just lastnight put a 80mm stem on it as I was finding it a bit tough to get the front end up at times with the stock stem.

    Depending on how that rides on the trails this weekend I will consider a low rise bar.

    This is my first bike after a long time of not riding and it is great. Part of me wishes I had the Repack for a bit more travel, but this thing is fantastic anyway. With some small changes to the cockpit I think she will be right on par.

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    I appreciate all the thoughts shared on this thread. I ended up going with the 650B Repack instead, but definitely appreciate this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by linvillegorge View Post
    I appreciate all the thoughts shared on this thread. I ended up going with the 650B Repack instead, but definitely appreciate this thread.
    Congrats on the Repack. I love mine. I got the XL Team model for a steal from price point. I felt the stem was a little long at 90mm and put a 40mm Hussefelt stem on it and like that a lot better. It lets me get my weight a little further back. It really rides nice. Coming from a hardtail Airborne Goblin Evo I think I will be spoiled by the FS Repack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afterburn View Post
    I'll go through my things again. Any chance you can post a pic? I bet we are talking about the same thing. I'll try again tonight in better light. For now it is zip-tied .

    If I remember right, you are similar size to me (6.2) and on an xl also?
    6'4", so pretty close.

    Here's the pic of the clamp. It went on for me with no trouble. I seem to recall finding another bolt that I thought was for the clamp which was not the right one. Its been a few weeks so I'm not 100% sure on that.

    Breezer Supercell -Any thoughts?-20150722_215450.jpg

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    No need for a new thread

    Quote Originally Posted by linvillegorge View Post
    I appreciate all the thoughts shared on this thread. I ended up going with the 650B Repack instead, but definitely appreciate this thread.
    I rode the repack too. In a lot of ways I was tempted by the repack, which has so many similarities to the supercell. It may be an oversimplification, but aside from head and seat tube angle, these are practically the same bike. I ultimately chose the Supercell for 29" wheels for general trail riding.

    I say share your experience here. This can at least be a Breezer FS thread.

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    Aha! I do not have that in my box. Was beginning to think I was crazy. The zip tie works until I can pick one up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afterburn View Post
    Aha! I do not have that in my box. Was beginning to think I was crazy. The zip tie works until I can pick one up.
    I put mine together last night, it was in a small little bag just the screw and the plastic piece. It would be pretty easy to loose, or not see. Especially with all the packing materials you would be taking off.

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    I have a Supercell Team and love it, but was looking to get a 6" bike to go with it and am thinking about having a Repack along with it.

    Does any have experience with both that can attest to having two somewhat similar bikes? The M-link is fantastic at climbing and descending from my experience and I love it, so I figured getting the beefier version would be a sweet idea.

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    Hey guys, I have some questions on suspension setup and how it "should" feel.

    I have pretty much started with x-fusions charts. I weigh 200 and probably close to 210 with my gear and camelback. So, I set the front to about 105psi and it seems pretty good but maybe on the soft side? Sag seems about where it should be.

    The back has me more confused. I used the online thing that spits out a number for you. It gives several options for which shock I have. I selected the 200x51, is that the correct one? I assumed that was a measurement for the length and the shock width and that seemed pretty close to what my measuring instrument said it was?

    This spit me out a number of about 170psi for my setup. This psi seemed pretty stiff to me and doing the sag test it only seemed to move the o-ring a small amount. This brings me to the next question. How do you measure the sag on the rear suspension? I don't know what the length of compression is of the rear shock so I can measure how much the 0-ring moves but it doesn't mean much without the other number. I can't seem to find info saying how much travel the shock itself has.

    Setup this way though feels pretty good doing the neighborhood and jumping down some curbs, I seem to blow through at least 50-70% of the rear travel just riding my neighborhood, I have no clue if this is normal or not. The back does feel significantly stiffer than the front but that may be normal too.

    First ride(without even checking shock/fork pressure) I did find it nearly impossible to lift the front end and going off the curb made the nose dive. I then adjusted the pressures to 105F/170R and did the same curb jump and again nose dive and near impossible to lift front end. I then adjusted the rear rebound, slowed it down two clicks back from full slow then did the same curb and it flew straight and level, no diving off the "jump" and I was more easily able to loft the front end but it still wasn't super easy to lift it but I wouldn't say it was harder than my hard tail either. It just feels like a very planted bike.

    Any help on how to measure the rear sag on this would be awesome. I am going on a ride saturday morning and would like to try to get this close to where I feel like it should be. I know it will take some time to fine.

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    Sag

    I set my front same as you (I am same weight). I still think I have rebound too fast, but I like the sag.

    Rear I set at 155 (210 lbs x .75) and I still think it is a little too stiff. So I am not surprised yours is too stiff. Somebody on here recommended 30% which I am going to try tomorrow. I also need to play around with rebound on the back.

    Total travel is 120mm. It is progressive. And dropping a suburban curb is actually a moderate hit. So 50-70% travel is not surprising.

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    Thanks, sounds like I am probably too stiff in the rear. I did have it at about 150 and it was super plush and I just assumed there was no way riding a bike could feel like floating on clouds.

    Anyway, how are you measuring the rear sag? The rear shock doesn't compress 120mm, I am not certain what the actual travel of the rear shock is. If the shock is the 200x51 then the travel is 51mm or 2 inches which seems about right based on my measuring stick so sag would be 13-15mm measured on the shock.

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    Its a great question. It is a 120mm travel by spec, but I don't know if that includes any extension, or any "theoretical" travel. I think the 200x51 is the dimensions of the shock. I haven't measured sag yet. The numbers I am giving are calculation based.

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    120mm is the wheel travel. If the shock is a 200x51 then it is 7.875"long(200mm) with 2" of travel (51mm). The shock travel vs the wheel travel isn't the same because of the lever/angles. So, if the shock travels 51mm the wheel travels 120mm. I am just curious how others are measuring the rear sag? Online videos the guys just seem to eye ball it and say "yep, that's 25% sag."

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    I just sit on my bike, hop up and down a little, then lean forward and dismount. It's easier if you have a toolbox or something to step off on either side of the bike. The distance the o-ring moves from the seal is the "sag" dimension. Divide that by 51mm, and that is your percentage "sag".

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    That is what I needed, I wasn't positive we had the 200x51. I couldn't find it printed anywhere official but measuring seemed to indicate that was the size. I think I have the rear too stiff. I am going to try to do a ride tomorrow morning.

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    I've been following the last couple posts with great interest. I am also having the "this HAS GOT to be too soft" thoughts even though the sag says 30%. I set front and rear then played with shock rebound until the front would easily pop up and keep it level going off curbs/potholes.

    Is it possible for those o-rings to move while riding, especially on the shock indicating more travel than was actually used? I am assuming yes.

    Rookie question, but it is what it is.

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    I think the o-ring on my rear shock slides a little too easily. A small zip tie should do the trick.

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    I dropped the pressure down to 150-155 and it feels pretty good. I sped up the front rebound a fair amount more and it is feeling pretty nice. I am going out for a quick morning ride and will see how it feels.

    I had to give the bike a tune up tonight, the gears weren't even close to setup correct.

    Took it for a quick 1.5 mile spin through the fields/construction sites by my house. All I can say is I should have gone FS a long time ago.

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    I took the Supercell to a trail system yesterday that is 8.6 miles if you do it all. It's all singletrack, not very technical but littered throughout with roots and probably 15-20 log-overs average 6"dia.

    I did 2 laps, 1 lap in each direction totaling 17.3 miles, for the first time ever. I always wanted to do 2 laps but the constant stuttering over the bumps on the HT just left me too beaten. The legs would have done it but not the rest of me.

    In archery we say "it's not the bow, it's the Indian" but I can't help but give all the credit to the bike in this case.

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    Fitting Better

    My new stem didn't arrive as scheduled. So I moved the seat forward and rolled the bar upward (rather, down, so the grips came up) and found a much better fit already. Pedalling wheelies pretty easy now. Manuals are still eluding me, but I only have backyard speed to play with . . . until tomorrow morning, that is.

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    Is anybody having trouble turning the rebound knobs on both the fork and shock? X-fusion on the Expert.

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    The shock is much harder to turn than the fork but I still wouldn't call it 'hard'.

    To your other post, I still can't get a set of riser bars out of my mind.

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    Well, I was able to put some seat time in the last couple of days. The biggest issue I am having is actually the seat. I just don't think this one is working for me. I will probably take the one off my old bike and try it to see if it makes me happier.

    I rode two trails, one Friday and one today. Both are regulars for me and I have a few passes on them with strava so I can sort of compare. The bike was no magic bullet, my times are "faster". Some sections are faster and I have been able to make it up things I couldn't before but some sections have been slightly slower. The one area that has been consistently faster is the down hill sections. I am enjoying them now, so that is a good thing and that was what I was hoping for most of all.

    I have been slowly backing off the pressure in the fork and shock. I am making it through about 3/4 of the travel in the rear shock and maybe 2/3 of the travel in the front fork. To me that means I probably have it too stiff. I need to measure sag again and see where these last changes put me.

    In the last 2 days I have put in 13.1 miles and just about 2600ft elevation gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afterburn View Post
    Is anybody having trouble turning the rebound knobs on both the fork and shock? X-fusion on the Expert.
    They are fairly stiff to turn buy not horrible. I to like that they have a distinct detent for every turn. I like knowing I turned it a full click.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afterburn View Post
    My new stem didn't arrive as scheduled. So I moved the seat forward and rolled the bar upward (rather, down, so the grips came up) and found a much better fit already. Pedalling wheelies pretty easy now. Manuals are still eluding me, but I only have backyard speed to play with . . . until tomorrow morning, that is.
    I have never been great at manuals with mtb's with suspension. My old rigid hardtail was not trouble but I don't get much out of the last two bikes I have had. I am guessing technique is mostly my issue. I can float the front enough on this to allow me to clear obstacles on the trail. It does seem the quicker you are going the easier it is to loft the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon_ View Post
    The shock is much harder to turn than the fork but I still wouldn't call it 'hard'.

    To your other post, I still can't get a set of riser bars out of my mind.
    I am in the same boat. I am feeling pretty good with the feel of the bike other than the seat (this is probably a my butt problem) and the bars. These bars are a few inches wider than my last bike and that feels a bit weird every time I get on. I actually was thinking today while riding that my hands are pretty light on the bars so I am feeling really good about the setup.

    I do keep wondering about a riser bar though...

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