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    Quote Originally Posted by duneslider View Post

    I have been slowly backing off the pressure in the fork and shock. I am making it through about 3/4 of the travel in the rear shock and maybe 2/3 of the travel in the front fork. To me that means I probably have it too stiff. I need to measure sag again and see where these last changes put me.
    I'm new to setting sag so to help me I measured out on the edge of a piece of paper where 30% and full travel of the fork and shock are. I never got any sort of consistent results from just sitting on it so I took it for very gentle rides up and down the street (no curbs or bumps) and set 30% sag front and rear that way.

    The fork still looks like it has some travel left but the shock looks like I'm using it all up (same reason I asked in an earlier post if the o-rings are prone to moving on their own), although I have never felt it bottom out so........I dunno.

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    I am new to the suspension on mountain bikes too. Your rear shock has 51mm of travel. It appears to be quite progressive. I have taken some pretty good hits (I feel) and I haven't been able to eat up more than 3/4 of the travel. I keep reading that on a hard ride you should be able to use up the full travel. I don't know that I ride hard enough to do that though. The rear moves through 1/2 its travel very easily. Just riding down my driveway into the street seems to burn through half the travel. I think that is normal though, it gets stiffer the further it travels.

    I initially was setup with about 25% sag in the rear and 20%ish in the front, my friend said he liked the front a little stiffer. After a couple days riding I think I want to try more sag in the front. I need to measure again but I am guessing I am getting closer to that 30% rear and 25-30% front.

    Riding around won't give you good numbers either, sag is just a static number. It literally is just how much the suspension compresses when you put your weight on it in the position you will mostly be riding.

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    Nothing terribly magical about sag itself. It's just a reference point so you can get it set up to use almost all, to all, of the travel you paid for on your average ride (while rarely bottoming out) and know how to keep it there. That said, I would think that the sag for this bike would fall somewhere between 25% to 35% for most riders, both front and rear. Then fine tune it to suit from there if you prefer it a little stiffer for pedaling, or vice versa. Sometimes you need to compromise one part of the ride quality for another if you have a wide variety of riding conditions.

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    What "jeffj" said... Sag is just a starting point. Once you have first measured it to get you in the "ballpark", make note of the pressure. After a few rides, you can make incremental adjustments in pressure to suit your riding style. I'm 6'-2" and 210 pounds... and have been hovering around 180-190 rear, and 100-110 front.

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    It should be noted that people have complained about blowing through travel and finding the best sag settings etc on other models of bikes that come with the Fox CTD. A lot of posts around here claim a dramatic benefit when switching to a different rear shock, like a CCDB, Monarch plus, or a Push or Avalanche tune of the CTD.

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    What a ride

    Finally got out for a good ride on it yesterday. Even w/o my new stem (arriving today) the fit was pretty darn good. We have serious mountain biking around here (annadel st park). And other than the time we made a wrong turn and ended up on a trail appropriately called "rough go" I didn't find anything that bothered me on a mountain known as challenging, even in Northern California. Not that I was riding it blazingly fast.

    Climbing a long 1,600' elevation to start out, I forgot to lock out the rear shock and didn't notice for a mile or two because it still climbed so nicely. Even better after I locked it out.

    I weigh 210 and have fork at 97 lbs, shock at 147. Took plenty of hard hits yesterday and bottomed out neither of them (no true air other than drops though). Still want to slow down the rebound a bit. Gotta resolve to fiddle with those.

    Couldn't be happier with the bike. I'll update when I get my new stem finally. Riser bar is a possibility too. Just taking it little by little.

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    Sounds like your shock pressures are headed where mine are. I weigh pretty similar with my camelback on.

    I also didn't lock out my front or rear for the climbing and honestly didn't feel it was much different than the previous week on my HT. I didn't notice any bob unless I was standing up and hammering it, but that doesn't happen much for me. Maybe next time I will try the lock out but I do like the suspension action while riding.

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    I didn't notice the rear suspension moving much while I was climbing. But it did seem easier to maintain a slow, bottom gear climb on steep terrain, with it locked. It didn't feel different, I just didn't get as tired if you know what I mean. This particular part of the climb wasn't rocky, otherwise I'd probably just keep the suspension engaged.

    Funny, I feel the suspension on this bike less than any other FS bike i've ridden. This is my first to own, but I've borrowed or rented them before. That said, maybe it just means this is the first time i've been on a FS bike that was sized and set up for me instead of somebody else.

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    I will have to try the lockout. I was just pleasantly surprised how well it worked without it engaged.

    Another thing I noticed is this bike tracks very well and goes where you point it. With my old bike it was near impossible to take a hand off the bars while climbing, it wanted to wander and was hard to keep a straight line while climbing. This bike just goes, I could take a hand off to wipe the sweat away and not worry where I would end up. A couple hours in the saddle was a lot more fun than with my old bike.

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    Update on my Supercell Expert:

    I have a decent number of rides on it now in a variety of conditions. I have added a KS Lev DX dropper post and the more I use it the more I like it, kinda like the bike itself! Mine is a medium and I'm about 5'9" and 170#.

    The rear suspension is just amazing really, it just seems like I never even feel anything back there at all. Super stiff/no flex operation and supple as can be, it also takes the bigger hits. At 30% sag it seemed like it was using too much of the suspension too soon when checking the o-ring for travel, but once you get the bike out and really pound on it you'll realize it's just fine. (BTW, I did remove the stock o-ring and replace it with one that fits tighter and is smaller in cross section.) Anyway after the aforementioned variety of rides I can definitely say that above 25% and closer to 30% is where the sag needs to be on this thing.

    As far as the front X-fusion suspension, it does pretty good but it can't match the rear. If it had some external adjustments for damping I think it could easily be great. The fork is free of flex and and I've only felt it bottom harshly once. It's normally set up at about 30% sag as well.

    Pressures with my pump are at about 70/75 in the front and 100/105 in the back.

    I took the bike to China Peak ski resort near Shaver Lake, CA on Sunday, I did 6 runs totaling about 20 miles and was very impressed. Obviously this type of ride is more suited to a Repack than a Supercell, but the bike did outstanding. I did put an 80mm stem on there, and I'm going to use it on a "normal" ride or two before I decide if I should switch back or not.

    I took a bunch of GoPro video, if I get around to editing it soon I'll post it.


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    Nice feedback. I've been debating whether to take mine to Northstar at least for some of the easier runs. This gives me the confidence to do so. I added an 80mm stem, with i think 12 degree rise instead of seven. Will ride it friday with that config. Interested in your feedback on it in "normal" terrain.

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    Like the shorter stem

    Got to ride it with the 80mm, 17 degree stem today. What a difference. Perfect fit now (6'2" with 34.5" inseam). The steering felt quicker, without being too quick. On a very, very steep uphills I was powering the front wheel off the ground with my pedal strokes. But then I realized I was tired and lazy and not paying attention to balance. So when I got my weight forward and down, it plowed right up the slope quite nicely actually. Definitely the right fit for me. Loving this bike more each time I ride it. I bought some used riser bars in case I didn't like the new stem (40mm) but I think I'll save them for another project.

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    Awesome man! I have some 20mm riser bars, 90mm stem, and a setback set post... and it's just about perfect as well. I'm down to adjusting things by millimeters now.

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    I am loving my Supercell. I've been riding twice a week. I'm 6'4" with long legs so I would like to raise up the handlebars a bit. I see that many of you have riser bars and/or angled stem. If I was going to replace one of those what would be your recommendation? Riser bar or an angled stem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyham View Post
    I am loving my Supercell. I've been riding twice a week. I'm 6'4" with long legs so I would like to raise up the handlebars a bit. I see that many of you have riser bars and/or angled stem. If I was going to replace one of those what would be your recommendation? Riser bar or an angled stem?
    I would just suggest that you make sure you can still get your weight over the front wheel in corners. It's a series of compromises when getting bikes set up for us as individuals. Getting a new handlebar is a chance to alter the upsweep, and backsweep if you aren't loving those of the stock handlebar.

    If you like the stock handlebar, you could go with the stem route. I would take a look at the stems that Specialized sells that use various angled shims that could give you as many as ten different angles on a given stem. That gives you more options to fine tune the rise of the stem, without having to buy more of them. JMHO.

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    So, being new to a FS bike and a bike with a lot more advancements than my previous bike (8 year old Gary Fisher) what should the maintenance be? I read in the shock/fork manual that these need a "rebuild" every year? They also say this should be sent in to the factory for a rebuild, which seems very silly to me. Can these not be serviced? Is there something special about these that makes them not "user" serviceable?

    What about the pivots, how often do these need service?

    I try to do a quick wash on the bike after most rides, and give it all a wipe down. I keep the chain lubed, etc. The breezer manual is pretty generic and worthless. What should an average joe like me be doing on a regular basis (I ride 1-2 times a week).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyham View Post
    I am loving my Supercell. I've been riding twice a week. I'm 6'4" with long legs so I would like to raise up the handlebars a bit. I see that many of you have riser bars and/or angled stem. If I was going to replace one of those what would be your recommendation? Riser bar or an angled stem?
    I did the stem first. In hindsight, I think 90-100mm with the same 7 degree rise and 20-40mm riser bar would probably be the ideal in terms of balance (being able to keep weight on the front wheel). But its plenty good enough now and I probably won't mess with it anytime soon. You're a little taller than me, so hard to say.

    To guesstimate I picked up a dowel rod I had lying around that is about handlebar diameter. I sat on the bike with one foot on a bench and the other on a pedal and just kinda played around with position. Then I guesstimated how much rise and recede (toward me) was represented by the position that felt best. Your family or friends will have a good laugh while you do it.

    Then I just found a stem to accommodate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duneslider View Post
    So, being new to a FS bike and a bike with a lot more advancements than my previous bike (8 year old Gary Fisher) what should the maintenance be? I read in the shock/fork manual that these need a "rebuild" every year? They also say this should be sent in to the factory for a rebuild, which seems very silly to me. Can these not be serviced? Is there something special about these that makes them not "user" serviceable?

    What about the pivots, how often do these need service?

    I try to do a quick wash on the bike after most rides, and give it all a wipe down. I keep the chain lubed, etc. The breezer manual is pretty generic and worthless. What should an average joe like me be doing on a regular basis (I ride 1-2 times a week).
    I'd be really careful with the wash after the ride, which you probably know. You need to displace the water with something afterwards. I don't have my Supercell yet, but when I do I will be very careful not to get water in the bottom bracket, headstack, pivots for the suspension, and hubs.

    Are the pivot bearings pretty standard off the shelf parts or are they proprietary for this bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMUAlien View Post
    I'd be really careful with the wash after the ride, which you probably know. You need to displace the water with something afterwards. I don't have my Supercell yet, but when I do I will be very careful not to get water in the bottom bracket, headstack, pivots for the suspension, and hubs.

    Are the pivot bearings pretty standard off the shelf parts or are they proprietary for this bike?
    No idea on the pivot bearings.

    I don't use a pressure washer, just spray it down with the hose and give it a wipe with a wash mit. Then dry it off with a towel. If it can't handle that then there are serious problems with the new technology.

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    Thanks all for the thoughts on the riser bar and stem. I think I will start with a riser bar so I'm waiting for the right deal to come up. I'll let you know how it turns out. What's your thoughts on carbon fiber handlebars? Is it all about the weight or are the things I hear about vibration damping true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyham View Post
    Thanks all for the thoughts on the riser bar and stem. I think I will start with a riser bar so I'm waiting for the right deal to come up. I'll let you know how it turns out. What's your thoughts on carbon fiber handlebars? Is it all about the weight or are the things I hear about vibration damping true?
    I just ordered one of these for my Repack. Azonic World Force Riser Handlebar 2014 > Components > Handlebars, Headsets and Saddles > Mountain Bike Handlebars | Jenson USA - Mobile Seems like a great deal and can be shortened if it's too long for you. I happpen to like wide bars though.

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    I purchased a 2014 Supercell Team approximately 3 months ago as my KHS Flagstaff kept having frame and suspension pivot related failures. KHS made great efforts to rectify, but kept coming up short and I was tired of having a broken bike for weeks and months at a time while processing warranty claims.

    The Breezer is solid so far. Very plush, it's spoiling me. I'm in hopes it doesn't let me down like the KHS did. It's heavy but makes up for the weight with a solid, stable platform. Although heavier, it climbs as well if not better than my hard tail. The components are top notch as if Joe Breeze picked them personally for his own bike.

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    I ordered a set of the 40mm rise bars on sale for $20. I figured they'd be too high but for 20 bucks, whatever.

    Actually got to ride with them today and yeah, 40mm is too high. I feel like an old lady sitting upright on a cruiser with a basket of bread on the front.

    Debating now putting the stock bars back on or trying a set of 3/4" or 1" instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon_ View Post
    I ordered a set of the 40mm rise bars on sale for $20. I figured they'd be too high but for 20 bucks, whatever.

    Actually got to ride with them today and yeah, 40mm is too high. I feel like an old lady sitting upright on a cruiser with a basket of bread on the front.

    Debating now putting the stock bars back on or trying a set of 3/4" or 1" instead.
    You can drop the stem by removing spacers from below it and putting them on top of the stem and drop the whole thing down. This might be enough to get you into the sweet spot. Doesn't cost anything so it's worth a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoMountainsBiker View Post
    You can drop the stem by removing spacers from below it and putting them on top of the stem and drop the whole thing down. This might be enough to get you into the sweet spot. Doesn't cost anything so it's worth a shot.
    Also, if you haven't done so already, flipping the stem.

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    Got the bike in June, weighed 290. Weighed myself this morning and now my setup is 18lbs lighter! Love this bike. Was thinking about changing it to a 10 speed with a 28 or 30 front and the new Praxis 11-40 on the back but changed my mind, why mess with a good thing!
    Down a total of 33lbs since I started riding again in March, way more confident and making climbs I could only dream of 6 months ago.

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    That's awesome, I am hoping to shed a few pounds. I have struggled to find exercise that I enjoy. I used to work construction and keeping fit just happened. Getting back into mountain biking has been enjoyable and I am slowly getting back in shape and feeling better.

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    I found a good deal on an Easton EA70 40 mm riser bar. I put it on the bike Monday and rode around the block. It was a much more comfortable riding position. I have really long legs so now the handlebars are almost even with the seat.
    I was excited to try it out on a ride this morning and before the half mile point my chain broke. That's the first time it's happened to me. Should I just fix the original chain or find a stronger one?

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    I ended up taking it to my LBS. Apparently the plates on the master link failed, the pins were still in. That is something they said they have never seen before. New link and I am good to go. I'll be testing out the new riser bars this weekend.

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    Hi
    I am thinking of buying a Breezer Supercell and installing a Bafang BBS02 motor kit to it.
    The kit requires a 73mm BB shell width.
    Can someone please measure their shell width (exclude bearing) and post it here.
    much appreciated!

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    Picked up the Team model

    This is the second FS I've ridden and by far the best. Worth every penny and the weight is not an issue. I'd be happy to answer and questions for those who are curious or interested about the bike. Also, I emailed the parent company about maybe purchasing a tshirt, but they have no "swag" as they called it. They did send me two water bottles though. Pretty cool.
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    Wow

    I love my Supercell Expert, but that blue Team is sweeeeeeet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barlisbre View Post
    This is the second FS I've ridden and by far the best. Worth every penny and the weight is not an issue. I'd be happy to answer and questions for those who are curious or interested about the bike. Also, I emailed the parent company about maybe purchasing a tshirt, but they have no "swag" as they called it. They did send me two water bottles though. Pretty cool.
    I had the same questions and they replied back to me just last week saying they do have t-shirts and get this Jerseys. Send me your email adress and I will fwd you the email.

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    Tire upgrade

    So it is about that time already for new tires. Any guesses if a 2.4 Conti will fit in there?

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    Shirt/Jersey Info

    Hi Marc,

    Thanks for contacting Breezer Bikes and thanks for riding the Supercell! We have some Breezer cycling jerseys (Club Cut sizes SM – XL) in stock and some Breezer T-Shirts in Sm, Md, and 2X, which you can order through your local Breezer Dealer. If you’re unable to visit an authorized of Breezer and/or our other brands (Fuji, SE Racing, and Kestrel), let us know because we probably get you what you want via our webstore: Advanced Sports International

    We don’t have the Breezer jerseys and t-shirts up on the site, but we can work it out. The MSRP for the jersey is $99 + shipping and the t-shirts are $25 + shipping. We don’t have an image of the Breezer T-Shirt (dark gray, light blue Breezer logo across the chest, M-Link logo on the side), but here are some images of the jersey:Breezer Supercell -Any thoughts?-image001.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Jorgensen View Post
    So it is about that time already for new tires. Any guesses if a 2.4 Conti will fit in there?
    Oh yeah. I think so. Its just 1/4 inch bigger. Easily that clearance and more.

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    I have run a 2.4 Ardent front on a 23mm rim... no issues. Can't comment on the rear, but I could throw one on and let ya know.

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    Make sure your pivot points are tight! I lost one today on the trail.
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    Ouch! Any other damage when it departed the bike?

    I checked mine during assembly and after the first ride, adding a bit of torque each time. Sine then they haven't moved.

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    Wow, I will check mine again. Like Doug said, I did when I first got it, but have not since with a coupe hundred miles on it. The bearings are in there that loose? That is strange, i would have thought they would be press fit.

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    No damage when it came out. In fact I don't know when it did come out. About half way through a ride I started hearing a funny noise. I found what was causing the noise and with a prayer and some cautious riding I finished the loop. The suspension is stiff enough that it stayed in place. Hopefully the warranty will cover a new one.

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    Thank goodness it is only a $25 bolt. Should be here this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyham View Post
    Thank goodness it is only a $25 bolt. Should be here this weekend.
    Is it coming from Breezer? Or 3rd party? I'd love to know the spec on it. Just in case, you know, I ever need to know the spec on it.

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    Thanks for your post Slyham, I went and tightened everything on mine yesterday. Found the right inner suspension pivot bolt very loose but thanks to you caught it before it came out.
    Hope you get her back together soon!

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    Got my bike back and went for a great ride last Saturday. The bolt came from Breezer. The invoice didn't list any specs just mlink bolt. I think this problem was discovered and corrected on the 2015 models. This same pivot has the bolt reversed on the 2015 model. I think the suspension movement may sometimes unscrew the bolt on the 2014 models. Something to watch for.

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    Maybe loctite would help to make sure it stays put.

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    265 miles in on mine in a couple of months and it is still performing flawless. I checked my bolts, the one on the left was a little bit loose, but not much. The drive side was fine. When I first got it I was set on replacing the stem, bar, and seatpost to move the riding position back and up. But I have got used to it honestly, yes, you have to work a little bit to lift the front but nothing to bad. It still flys pretty even over small jumps. I am far from xtreme so its fine for me. Overall I am still very satisfied with the bike and the best part is I have not ran into another rider with one.

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    I was initially looking for a setback seat post, but after I swapped to a wider seat I didn't feel the need any more. I actually moved the seat forward a bit before my ride this morning and it felt good. I'm still pleased with the stem and riser bar I installed.

    I need to check my pivots before the next ride. I haven't had any issues, but I heard a pretty loud click right at the end of the trail on a decent bump. Other than that noise, the frame has been smooth and quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyham View Post
    I found a good deal on an Easton EA70 40 mm riser bar. I put it on the bike Monday and rode around the block. It was a much more comfortable riding position. I have really long legs so now the handlebars are almost even with the seat.
    I was excited to try it out on a ride this morning and before the half mile point my chain broke. That's the first time it's happened to me. Should I just fix the original chain or find a stronger one?
    Most chains I know of are rated at 200kgf (IIRC). The only one I know of rated stronger than that is the SRAM 991 CrossStep (sp?). And that is a 9 speed chain. I am not aware of a 10 speed equivalent It's hard to hear that it is most likely that your chain broke from damage from less than stellar shifting technique.

    I think SRAM, Shimano, and KMC all sell good quality chains. SRAM and KMC both use quick links, which I find handy. KMC makes Shimano chains.

    It's possible to get a defective chain, but other than an occasional stiff link, II find manufacturing defects to be quite rare.

    My advice is to get one from of the three companies I mentioned above, install it correctly, keep your derailleurs adjusted properly, and work on shifting technique.

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    How are everyone's brake pads holding out? I cleaned the bike Saturday and noticed my rear pads are looking pretty worn. I would guess better than 3/4 gone, I probably need to get a new set ordered. I have probably only put about 90 miles on the bike, though nearly half of that is down hill and some of the trails require some pretty heavy breaking. A quick search shows the rotors shouldn't have sintered pads, are there any pads for these that are better than others? This is my first go with disc brakes on a bike.

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    11 miles down today

    Loving this bike!
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    Hey everyone! Im glad that everyone are enjoying their supercell. Im new to this site, pls be patient on me. Any ways here my supercell witj with some little upgrade.
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    Even though the description says a small will fit 5 feet. I am trying to find a fs for my wife, she is 5 feet with 27" inseam.. I know a X Small will be the good fit but they are just so hard to find on a budget. Do any of you have a Small, do you thing it would fit a 5 feet woman? How long is the Stem, is the room to shorten it ? How about stand over room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidd6370 View Post
    Any ways here my supercell witj with some little upgrade.
    How are you liking the ride with the shorter stem? How much has it changed the feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean-->NM View Post
    How are you liking the ride with the shorter stem? How much has it changed the feel?
    the handling is a lot better, specially on cornering. i feel like i have more control of the front tire, ive change the tires from bronson to wolverine too, i think it help a little bit. but im thinking to swap back the bronson to my rear tires. the wider handle bar feel more stable on down hills here in norcal.

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    Anyone else notice that the Mlink is on some of the new Fuji bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyham View Post
    Anyone else notice that the Mlink is on some of the new Fuji bikes?
    Breezer and Fuji have the same owners afaik, so the fuji you're thinking of is essentially a breezer without the heft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Breezer and Fuji have the same owners afaik, so the fuji you're thinking of is essentially a breezer without the heft.
    It could turn out that way, but I am not quite ready to assume that it's a foregone conclusion.

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    Too nitpick the fujis are slacker and boosted

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    I love the Supercell Team that I bought earlier in the year. Longer bars were strange on the narrow trails I ride, but no issues at all.

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    I love the Supercell Team that I bought earlier in the year. Longer bars were strange on the narrow trails I ride, but no issues at all.
    I was the same way with the bars....I liked them so much I switched to even longer bars. I just got Haven Carbon 35MM bars and a 70MM Haven stem. I really like the new cockpit setup. I have a Thomson dropper on the way as well, I will post pics of my updates when I get the post.

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    Got rid of all the Oval crap...Thomson Elite Dropper, Easton Haven 70mm length stem, Easton Carbon Haven 35mm clamp bar. Much better feel to this thing now. Love the bar and stem combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankuota View Post
    Even though the description says a small will fit 5 feet. I am trying to find a fs for my wife, she is 5 feet with 27" inseam.. I know a X Small will be the good fit but they are just so hard to find on a budget. Do any of you have a Small, do you thing it would fit a 5 feet woman? How long is the Stem, is the room to shorten it ? How about stand over room.
    I shortened stem from 120 to 80 w/ no regrets.

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    Looks good, I have considered swapping bars and stem too. And I think a dropper post would be nice.

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    Anyone know if you can fit a bottle cage and bottle in the triangle of the Supercell? Don't mind zip tying it down. Because of 3 bulging discs in my back, I can't wear a hydration pack. I don't want to put it on the underside of the down tube.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFB View Post
    Anyone know if you can fit a bottle cage and bottle in the triangle of the Supercell? Don't mind zip tying it down. Because of 3 bulging discs in my back, I can't wear a hydration pack. I don't want to put it on the underside of the down tube.

    Thanks.
    Bolts right in there. Watch the torque on the fastener that holds the cable guide or your shifting will suffer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_J View Post
    Bolts right in there. Watch the torque on the fastener that holds the cable guide or your shifting will suffer...
    I think he means on top of the down tube, not underneath it.
    My frame is the XL for reference, it would be tight in there, but I switched to packs a long time ago, so I have nothing to try it out for you. Is that still really a deal breaker on why someone buys a bike these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Jorgensen View Post
    I think he means on top of the down tube, not underneath it.
    My frame is the XL for reference, it would be tight in there, but I switched to packs a long time ago, so I have nothing to try it out for you. Is that still really a deal breaker on why someone buys a bike these days?
    Unfortunately with the bulging discs, the packs I've tried are very uncomfortable/painful to wear. Is it a definite deal breaker? Not yet, but it does become an issue as to how to carry water on the bike.

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    I have seen bottle holders that go on the back of the seat post as well. Some guy at the trail had one on his bike and he said it works great, he never lost a bottle. That could be a good solution for you.

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    And on the seat rail

    Quote Originally Posted by NoMountainsBiker View Post
    I have seen bottle holders that go on the back of the seat post as well. Some guy at the trail had one on his bike and he said it works great, he never lost a bottle. That could be a good solution for you.
    Nashbar sells an adapter to attach a cage to the seat rails as well.

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    Still loving my Supercell Pro. I have about 230 miles on it so far.

    I just noticed the 2016 models are out.

    The Pro model looks nice, but I am not a fan of the other colors.

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    I noticed the 2016 models have slightly shorter stems... maybe Breezer has been listening to us.

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    Thanks for the help with the bottle cage mounts. I was at my chiropractor today and met a guy with similar back issues who also rides. He started using a Camelbak FlashFlo for longer rides and a Gregory Tempo H1 for shorter rides. Once straps are adjusted properly he said the bouncing was almost eliminated. Friends mock him for the fanny pack look, but it allows him to keep riding. I'll be looking at all options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemke View Post
    I noticed the 2016 models have slightly shorter stems... maybe Breezer has been listening to us.
    Interesting, I hadn't noticed that. I went from the 100mm to an 80 and there doesn't seem to be any downside to it.

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    And the 2016 Limited Supercell comes with a dropper post. Not that you couldn't put one on yourself, but it's nice to offer a model that comes with one. The LTD also has 1x11, and Race Face stem and bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj View Post
    And the 2016 Limited Supercell comes with a dropper post. Not that you couldn't put one on yourself, but it's nice to offer a model that comes with one. The LTD also has 1x11, and Race Face stem and bars.
    Looks like all the other models also have Race Face stem, bars, and seat posts. The only oval product I see on any of the models is the grips.

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    I really like the upgrades. I really really like the red. The oval stuff is not that bad, it jsut does not have the cred of the raceface. I wish they would put race face cranks on them though those are pretty nice.

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    I wonder where they are made . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Jorgensen View Post
    I really like the upgrades. I really really like the red. The oval stuff is not that bad, it jsut does not have the cred of the raceface. I wish they would put race face cranks on them though those are pretty nice.
    I am all for it. I bet you that one or more of the following is true:

    a. Oval makes some RaceFace parts
    b. RaceFace makes some Oval parts
    c. Both RaceFace and Oval have some of their products made in the same third pary factory

    Because of this, they can reciprocate with branding.

    Either way, its good for Breezer (and Fuji) not to look like Oval's *****, because they both still make a great product under ASI.

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    I just ordered the supercell expert, but I am unsure about sizing. I usually ride a medium 17"-17.5". But Breezer sizing recommends a 18.5" bike which is usually close to a large size from other manufacturers. I am 5'8" with a 31.5" inseam with shoes.
    For those that are similar in height as to me, do you think medium would fit better. I would have tried locally but nobody around here has the supercell in. I did try a Repack in a small and medium, the small fit better. But if you look at the specs for the small in a repack, like top tube length, and wheelbase its closer to medium supercell. Cant decide what size I should get, need to order it.

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    Hi everyone, getting my first new mountain bike in 25yrs. Decided to order the Breezer supercell expert in small size. I am 5'8" tall with a 31.5" inseam. I ordered the small but am unsure of the size I should have ordered. There are no shops around me that have the supercell in stock to test fit. I did find a the repack, tried the small and medium, felt the small fit better. Maybe because I have a 25 year old bike and used to shorter reach and wheelbases. Also the repack in a small is similar to specs of the supercell medium. Same top tube and wheelbase, just the reach is shorter. Those of you similar in height as me, did you try the small and medium, you think medium would be a better fit? Worse case I can return if I feel its too small and order the larger size.
    My old bike is a 17" and I usually fit a medium, so when I see Breezer says 18.5" is a medium, which for other bike makers is closer to a large. Just unsure about the size I ordered, and tips would be helpful.

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    Not a close comparison, but . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by roktoy View Post
    Hi everyone, getting my first new mountain bike in 25yrs. Decided to order the Breezer supercell expert in small size. I am 5'8" tall with a 31.5" inseam.
    I am 6;2" with a 34.5 BIKE INSEAM. If you are uncertain what that is, you should google it, because it isn't the same measurement as a tailor's inseam.

    I bought the XL. It was a perfect fit other than the 120mm stem. I replaced with 90mm and then it IS perfect.

    Your inseam is 3" less than mine and you are 6" shorter, so you are relatively evenly proportioned like me.

    Bottom line is you are probably right on the border like I was. If you buy the smaller, I doubt you will experience tire strikes unless you have clown feet. If you buy the larger, it will probably feel a bit more stable (man is this bike confidence inspiring in its stability), but you may need to consider a new stem (if you aren't brand conscious, you can spend $20 for a used stem on ebay).

    Good luck, and be sure to tell us what you decide and share your impressions of the bike. As you can tell, there are a lot of fans of this bike here!

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    Sorry I posted twice, first time I posted I didn't see it on this thread. So rewrote it, I guess since this is my first post, it had to be approved by the forum admin.


    My measured inseam is with shoes on using the book in crotch method. As for feet, did try a Trek Caliber 29er in a Small (15.5") and my size11 feet seem to hit the front wheel sometimes. The Medium in a 17.5 fit better.

    Breezers sizing seems to run large, every calculator online said I should be a medium in 17"-17.5" range. If breezer labeled their 17 as a Medium I probably wouldn't have worried about the size.

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    I'm 5'9" and frankly not exactly sure on the inseam measurement, it's 32 or 33ish...

    I have the Supercell Expert in Medium, I have changed the stem to an 80mm. It sounds like you may be right on the border of the Medium or Small. For what it's worth, I'm extremely comfortable on mine, more than anything else I've been on. I was astounded right from the start with the quick handling yet stable feel. I do have my seat pushed all the way back, and it was there before I went to the shorter stem. Based on that detail I don't think I could get along on the Small size. Also, I added a KS Lev dropper post and it's about 1/4" from full insertion into the frame at my seat height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roktoy View Post
    Hi everyone, getting my first new mountain bike in 25yrs. Decided to order the Breezer supercell expert in small size. I am 5'8" tall with a 31.5" inseam. I ordered the small but am unsure of the size I should have ordered. There are no shops around me that have the supercell in stock to test fit. I did find a the repack, tried the small and medium, felt the small fit better. Maybe because I have a 25 year old bike and used to shorter reach and wheelbases. Also the repack in a small is similar to specs of the supercell medium. Same top tube and wheelbase, just the reach is shorter. Those of you similar in height as me, did you try the small and medium, you think medium would be a better fit? Worse case I can return if I feel its too small and order the larger size.
    My old bike is a 17" and I usually fit a medium, so when I see Breezer says 18.5" is a medium, which for other bike makers is closer to a large. Just unsure about the size I ordered, and tips would be helpful.
    I am 5'10" Not positive what my inseam is. Anyway, I ride the medium and like the fit but I am probably on the small side for the bike. With the stock seat post, I can barely lower it. I don't know that you could lower the seat enough at 5'8" without cutting it. I think you will be good on a small. I occasionally wonder if a small would have fit me better but I couldn't find one to try and the medium seems okay for me.

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    What I was told, and take this with a grain of salt, is to order a larger size for a full suspension versus a hardtail. I have a GT hardtail 29er in a large size, and my Supercell is an XL. I'm 6'-2" with a 35" inseam. At first it seemed too big, but once I got my cockpit dialed in with a shorter stem and a laid back seat post, it is absolutely perfect.

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    Haven't checked in on this thread for a while but I'm dropping in to update.

    So far my only problems have been a bent RD hanger from falling off a log (solved by just bending it back, then a trip to the shop to look it over)and the rear tire rubbing the cable that's routed behind the seat tube when the suspension was really compressed (solved by pulling the slack in the cable forward).

    I've added 20mm riser bars, a 20mm setback seatpost, and a new saddle ($20 Amazon jobber. Mainly to get rid of the big Breezer logo on the stock saddle).

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon_ View Post
    I've added 20mm riser bars, a 20mm setback seatpost, and a new saddle ($20 Amazon jobber. Mainly to get rid of the big Breezer logo on the stock saddle).
    WHAT?! That's my kids favorite part of the bike. I told them the "B" is there to tell you where your butt goes.

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    Pricepoint is having a sale right now, an extra 15% off, which would bring the supercell expert down to 1190 and the pro down to 1444, an already screaming deal is even better.

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    Sorry for posting twice, since I am new, my post don't go up right away. Needs to be approved by moderator.
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    I went on an awesome ride last weekend, beautiful area but getting into fall and with the starting elevation at 10,000ft the temp was 31deg F. Anyway, the first bit of the ride is a gradual down hill through some trees. I went to hit the brakes and there was nothing in the back. Went straight to the bars. I gave it a few quick pumps and it came back but it would fade everytime I didn't use the brakes for a few minutes. Made for an interesting trip. Started at 10000, ended at 7400 and had 1600ft of climbing over 15.5miles. I am going to try to bleed them and see if that was the issue but they have been completely trouble free all summer. Just seemed kind of weird.

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    Some of you guys who have swapped out just the handle bar, would you mind posting a link to what you got. I am feeling like a riser bar might be a good idea, just unsure of what I should get.

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    I have these in a 20mm rise and am happy with them. Ritchey Comp Rizer 20mm BB Black Mountain Bar

    Tried Truvativ Hussefelts 40mm first because I found them really cheap but that was waaaay too much. Felt like riding a beach cruiser I was so upright.

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    I have a Truvativ 20mm riser bar... the fit is perfect with a 90mm stem, and setback seatpost.

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    I got the 40mm version of this bar. Also swapped a 90mm stem.

    Truvativ Hussefelt Comp Riserbar > Components > Handlebars > Mountain Bars | Jenson USA

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    Higher Angle Stem

    I got a 90mm stem with 14 degrees of rise instead of a riser bar. The stock was 120mm, and 8 degrees IIRC. Brought the stock bar about 1" back toward me and up about 1/2 to 3/4". Very happy with this position.

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    I've been eye-ballin' the Supercell for a while now, and you guys twisted my arm just enough that I pulled the trigger! The free shipping and -15% PP had last Friday pushed me over edge. My current 26" FS doesn't get much ride time after getting a 29er so this bike just makes sense to add to the quiver, right?! That's what I'm going with any ways. Carefully studied the geo and went with a SM (5'9" w/ 30" inseam) Expert. The only thing that has my doubts is the wire bead Bronsons, haven't ridden WTB rubber in many years and wasn't a big fan back then but I'll give them a shot. If my wife gets mad I'm blaming this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_ View Post
    The only thing that has my doubts is the wire bead Bronsons, haven't ridden WTB rubber in many years and wasn't a big fan back then but I'll give them a shot. If my wife gets mad I'm blaming this thread
    Where do you ride? I like the Bronsons a lot for Northern California trails which are mostly dry and somewhat loose.

    As for the wife, that's what we are here for, to take the blame so you can go ride.

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    I'm in SoCal so loose over hard but I like a tire that can hold thru corners and still feel like it rolls well. I might like them tread wise, dunno I'll see, but the wire bead not so much.

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    Breezer Supercell -Any thoughts?-20151101_200552s.jpgI picked up my Breezer Supercell Expert this weekend. I ended up ordering both the Small and Medium size to see which fit better.
    Stock setup the small seems like it fit better, but the medium felt fine too, maybe a little stretched out. I have a 31.5 inseam so the stand over on this bike is rated at 30.1, seems a little tight but not too bad. I actually felt I had more standover clearance on the medium than the small, maybe because of the angle of the top tube.
    I decided on getting the Medium and replaced the stock 100mm stem to a race face ride 70mm stem. Which made the reach feel perfect. I changed the seat out to a forte xfc gel seat for more comfort and added the Shimano Saint pedal. At 5’8” the seat post is almost all the way down to fit me on the medium, while on the small the seat post was at the max line to fit me. Might have to cut it for downhill and obstacle.
    I think my next purchase might be a KS eten dropper and BBG bash guard.
    My impressions of the bike are better than expected, it has a matte black and white paint, which looks awesome. This thing feels like a tank and well built. Coming from a 26er, a 29er looks big.
    Can’t wait for the weather to improve so I can test it out on some trails.
    FYI, to get the warranty from Breezer the bike has to be professionally built, although I am not too worried about the frame breaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_ View Post
    I've been eye-ballin' the Supercell for a while now, and you guys twisted my arm just enough that I pulled the trigger! The free shipping and -15% PP had last Friday pushed me over edge. My current 26" FS doesn't get much ride time after getting a 29er so this bike just makes sense to add to the quiver, right?! That's what I'm going with any ways. Carefully studied the geo and went with a SM (5'9" w/ 30" inseam) Expert. The only thing that has my doubts is the wire bead Bronsons, haven't ridden WTB rubber in many years and wasn't a big fan back then but I'll give them a shot. If my wife gets mad I'm blaming this thread
    The Bronsons are a very underrated tire in my opinion... they do well in a variety of conditions. I'm glad I kept mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_ View Post
    I've been eye-ballin' the Supercell for a while now, and you guys twisted my arm just enough that I pulled the trigger! The free shipping and -15% PP had last Friday pushed me over edge. My current 26" FS doesn't get much ride time after getting a 29er so this bike just makes sense to add to the quiver, right?! That's what I'm going with any ways. Carefully studied the geo and went with a SM (5'9" w/ 30" inseam) Expert. The only thing that has my doubts is the wire bead Bronsons, haven't ridden WTB rubber in many years and wasn't a big fan back then but I'll give them a shot. If my wife gets mad I'm blaming this thread
    At 5'9" and a 30" inseam you have a long torso, I'm a inch shorter and have a longer inseam. I think the medium would fit you better because it has the longer top tube and would probably fit our torso better. I tried both the small and medium frame, I actually had more crotch clearance with the medium. But since you ordered your bike already and the sale is over, the small should work. You might need to get a longer stem.
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    At 5’8” the seat post is almost all the way down to fit me on the medium, while on the small the seat post was at the max line to fit me. Might have to cut it for downhill and obstacle.
    I cut about 3/4" off my seatpost so I could drop it for downhill and am glad I did. But if you get a dropper, then no need .

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    Thanks for the feedback roktoy - yeah already purchased so... But I think its a safe bet. I prefer a slightly shorter/closer cockpit and in fact comparing the Breezer to the 3 bikes in the garage I may need to bring the stem in to 60mm. Heck their small equates to a 17 in most MFG specs. But I'll keep it as is until my back or wrist tell me otherwise. Pic looks great, don't forget to give us a ride report!

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    Bike arrived today at work. Packaging was robust, assembled at lunch in about a 1/2 hr. This evening set initial sag, control positions, minor adjust to cables & brakes. Note to all please check torque on everything I did find a few things a little over tight but 3 bolts were truly too loose. Quick run down the trail from my back yard thru the cacti and this bike feels solid! Last time I remember a bike this sold feeling was an old '99(ish) SC Bullit - that bike was a bulky beast. But the Supercell does not feel hefty at all. 1st impression very neutral but lively feeling. Travel feels plentiful @120mm on 29's. Well done Joe Breeze. And a big thanks to all who posted, tons of info that helped me big time in making this buy. Dropper post in the way!

    PS... plenty of room for wider tires on the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemke View Post
    The Bronsons are a very underrated tire in my opinion... they do well in a variety of conditions. I'm glad I kept mine.

    I really like them too....I was going to go bigger,but I feel confident on the Bronsons. I went tubeless and feel like I have to run more air in them than I like, they want to tuck in the corners with lower pressure. I sure thought they were Kevlar beads too, not really paying attention though to be honest.

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    I have been hearing good things on the Bronson's as well. I'm picky on my front tire, back can drift but I have an open mind on these.

    Hey Mark - curious about your tubeless setup, went well with the stock wheels? Ghetto or Stans? Aside from what you mentioned above is the ride quality noticeable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_ View Post
    Dropper post in the way!
    Your first impressions were very similar to mine. Solid, neutral and predictable yet easy to flick around. I have an expert as well and while the Xfusion fork is just OK, the rear suspension is very good.

    I added a KS Lev dropper post to mine and it was an outstanding addition to this bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_ View Post
    I have been hearing good things on the Bronson's as well. I'm picky on my front tire, back can drift but I have an open mind on these.

    Hey Mark - curious about your tubeless setup, went well with the stock wheels? Ghetto or Stans? Aside from what you mentioned above is the ride quality noticeable?

    OEM wheels. They are already taped and tubless compatible. I just pulled the tubes added WTB stems and some stans sealant. Thye hold good, the front bled down, but I re sealed the bead and it is holding air fine now. Like I said though, I feel like I have to run more air than I would like but I am a pretty big guy (220 or so) and in the turns the tire seemed like it would fold. Honesty though this is the first time I have messed with tubless, not sure it is worth the hassle to me.

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    ^ What are your F/R psi?

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    Thanks Marc good info. What your describing as "in the turns the tire seemed like it would fold" I wonder if that's not the narrow rim and or PSI? Tubeless... hell low pressures for that matter, is a fickle thing. I've found that a pound or two makes or breaks the ride. My old 120mm FS bike is a 26er and I can run 25-28PSI with or without tubes feeling no different on the trail but my 29 HT feels better, grippier with tubes. Go figure

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    Got a solid 2Hrs in on the new Supercell. I am very impressed especially with the Bronson's, held the line in varied dry conditions, feels fast rolling, no surprise break away. The X-Fusion stuff feels real good. This is my 1st air fork in many moons but I totally feel it getting progressive deep in the travel. Not bad, just different for me.

    Something interesting though, on two slight incline mid-speed switchbacks I felt the back end kind of come back around. Not bad like sliding out more like it whipped in & got back under me if that makes sense. Like a 69er feels with a 26 in the back. I dunno, just an observation never felt this on a 29er. It actually helped the turn.

    The triple on front will take getting used to, not sure I'll ever use the little ring. The 710 bar looked short pretty flat, I'm used to a 740mm but I'll leave it for now. Real glad I could get everything dialed in to fit just as is without disturbing other bikes.

    Overall the bike simply kicks ass - no regrets, does not ride heavy at all and likes to be tossed around.
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    If you're not using any more travel than the o-ring indicates in your picture, I would consider letting a little air out of the fork's air spring. You paid for 120mm travel, you may as well be using it.

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    Any of you guys cut the fork tube and lower the stem? Currently my seat is about 1.5" lower than the handlebars. Looks like stock it comes with a 10mm and 20mm spacer, can you run the stem with no spacer or do you need a tiny spacer between the stem and the headtube bearing.
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    Just flip the spacers to the top of the stem. You can cut it, but you don't really need to. I needed the bars higher on my xl.

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    Spent the weekend in Moab riding slickrock and had a great time on the supercell. Really enjoying the bike. My back brakes just seem really spongy though, I have bleed them twice and the feel doesn't really seem to improve. It is really making me think it might be worth bumping up to some XT brakes.

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    From what I've read about the brakes that came with my Expert, I think the XTs would be a nice upgrade. I upgraded to bigger rotors for now and that helped a lot.

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    The XTs that came on my Repack are really nice. With 180mm rotors front and back it stops on a dime with very good modulation. I've seen some really good deals online lately for them too. Look around if you decide to get a set.

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    I have seen some great deals on the xt's and that is kind of why I have been eyeing them, that and the fact that I just haven't been super thrilled with the stock brakes on the expert. I mean the work and I can stop, I just don't get why the back feels so much softer than the front. If I could get the back to feel like the front I would be happy. Even right out of the box the back didn't feel as good. I may try to bleed it again but having done it twice I just don't know if it will get better.

    I have seen some even better deals on the SLX brakes and other than the tool free lever adjustment and free stroke adjustment they seem the same. I am not positive I need free stroke adjustment? I will have to keep my eye peeled for good deals.

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    The brakes are good once you bleed them. I have the PRO and no brakes issues. Easy to modulate. Experimented with stem lengths and settle with a 50mm and a 30mm riser bar, seat slightly forward. I am 5'5 and have a small bike. I like the ride. Added the new oil level in the fork as per the FOX site. 30cc per leg. I like the improvement in the fork. more damping.

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    I'm not having this issue on my Expert at all, front an rear have essentially the same feel. They modulate well, although I wouldn't mind more per up front they are just fine.

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    I am going to try bleeding the back again. The front feels great. When I first put the bike together the back felt soft but after pulling it a few times it seemed to feel fine (not as firm as the front but still okay.) A few weeks ago I went on a ride and it was really cold (32 degrees) and the lever would hit the bars and still not be stopping me. If I pumped it I would get pressure and it would feel better. I figured it needed a bleed, had bubbles in it. Since then I have bleed it twice.

    I am going to try unhooking all the cable and hanging the line straight to give it a better path to let bubbles out and see how it goes. They do stop me fine and that isn't the issue, the back just doesn't give me any confidence.

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    For you guys wanting to bleed the Shimano disc brakes (this includes the XT, SLX [M615], and M447 brakesets), it is many times a pretty simple procedure rather than having to do a full bleed.

    You will need to have the bleed kit or at least borrow the bleed cup/funnel and the little plunger stick that fits into the bottom of it:

    Shimano Disc Brake Bleed Funnel/Stopper Kit | Shimano

    And you will need a small amount of Shimano Mineral Oil (or the equivalent). An ounce would plenty to do this.

    You will also need a 2mm and 4mm allen wrench.

    1) Put a towel on the floor beneath you brake lever just in case you spill a little fluid. It's a good idea to also have your bike in a stand if you have one. If not just make sure you have it secure enough not to have to struggle keeping it upright without the handlebars flopping around.

    2) If your model brake has the lever reach adjuster (a thumbscrew near the lever), and/or a small phillips head screw for adjusting the contact point:

    a) Adjust the reach adjuster so the lever is all the way out from the handlebar.

    b) Turn the contact point adjuster (a small phillips head screw) all the way in (tighten until it stops, no additional torque needed)

    3) Use the 4mm allen wrench to loosen the brake lever clamp on the handlebar enough so you can rotate it. Rotate the brake lever so that the black cap screw on the reservoir is about level (horizontal). Tighten the clamp so it will not rotate easily.

    4) Use the 2mm allen wrench to remove the small black cap screw from the reservoir (the screw closest to where the hose meets the lever assembly). Set the screw on a clean surface.

    5) Screw the funnel into the hole where the cap screw was removed, just tight enough so the o-ring on the bottom will seal. Light finger tight is plenty.

    6) Put about a tablespoon or so of Shimano mineral oil into the funnel.

    7) Lightly pull the lever in and then let it out several times. You will likely see a few air bubbles come up from the reservoir. Keep doing this until you no longer see bubbles coming out from the reservoir.

    8) Stick the little plunger stick into the bottom of the funnel (from the top of the funnel) to plug it up.

    9) Unscrew the funnel from the reservoir. You can probably use a large socket to hold it upright for the time being so the fluid doesn't spill out.

    * You can screw the funnel into the other reservoir with the fluid in it already, and then remove the plunger to proceed.

    10) Replace the small black cap screw on the reservoir. I keep a small rag handy in case a drop or two of fluid comes out as you tighten the cap screw. Use some rubbing alcohol on a rag to clean it up if necessary.

    11) Rotate the brake lever to where you have it previously on the handlebar. Adjust lever reach thumbscrew and contact point adjustment screw to suit your preference.

    Unless your brake has other issues, it should feel great after doing this. I can usually leave the pads in the caliper and it will come out just right as there is no danger of getting fluid on them since you're working at the lever, not the caliper. If, by chance, they are too tight: loosen the small black screw just a tiny bit until you see a tiny bit of fluid pool up around the head of the screw, and then tighten it back down. Wipe off the excess fluid (almost none, but it makes a difference). Try the brake again. Now, it should be OK.

    If you have the funnel, plunger, and a small amount of proper fluid, this is a pretty quick and easy way to get your brakes working great again.

    A lot of the videos on you tube show a much more complex procedure, and that may be what you need, especially if you have been messing with the hoses at the caliper end. But, in my experience, many times this is all that is needed for the periodic bleed after using them for several months.

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    Thanks Jeff,
    That is part of the whole bleed process, and I have done that multiple times along with doing a full bleed twice. I am thinking there is probably a bubble stuck somewhere in the system but I think the only way to get it is to unhook the whole brake system and let it hang so gravity can force the bubble up to the top.

    What you describe should be all that is needed periodically through the season though.

    I was actually surprised when I flushed my system though after just having this bike since about July how dirty the fluid was. I really don't think doing a full bleed on these every season (at least) is a bad thing.

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    Give the overnight thing a try - it works.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/brake-time/20...l#post12252826

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    Thanks D Bone, That is a great idea actually. I am going to give it a try this weekend and see how it goes.

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    So who's gonna be the first to try a 27.5+ tire in a Supercell?

    I ask with an aching back that has me thinking about full suspension. Someday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    So who's gonna be the first to try a 27.5+ tire in a Supercell?

    I ask with an aching back that has me thinking about full suspension. Someday.
    That would be the Re-Pack, no benefit to putting a 27.5 on the supercell, the geometry of the repack works better for that size wheel

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    27.5"+". Closer to a 3" tire than a typical 2.2" or so. The diameter can get pretty close to that of a 29er, but more width. The Supercell seems to have pretty good clearance, so I wonder if it would work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Jorgensen View Post
    That would be the Re-Pack, no benefit to putting a 27.5 on the supercell, the geometry of the repack works better for that size wheel
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    Does anybody know what are the differences between the 2014 and 2015?
    2014 glossy paint, 2015 matte? Different tires, stem, post and hubs.

    I have been contemplating buying this bike since last February... Ended up with a very good deal on a new 2013 sc superlight (1k)... which i like, but it has very basic components and weights about 32 pounds (xl)... How much does the xl pro weights? It should be around 34.5, right? Not trying to compare Apple to oranges...

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    I think the monster 27.5 would work no problem

    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    27.5"+". Closer to a 3" tire than a typical 2.2" or so. The diameter can get pretty close to that of a 29er, but more width. The Supercell seems to have pretty good clearance, so I wonder if it would work.
    I'm not going to drop $500 (min) in upgrades to find out, but I see NO reason it wouldn't work. The clearances are definitely there for very large 27.5 tires in the vicinity of 3". Contrary to what some say, I don't think it would screw up handling per se. Could be great for very technical and/or very loose conditions. Not so much for fast xc obviously.

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    I wonder how much better the 27.5+ handles snow and ice compared to the 29"? I went riding saturday and we had to sort of pick and choose trails that weren't snow and ice covered but I did probably ride about a mile worth of snow/ice covered trail and it wasn't super great. Saw a lot of guys on fatbikes and they obviously were handling it much better than us. Curious how much better 27+ would be? If it worked and was much better on snow it could greatly extend my winter riding without having to buy a fatbike (which I am not going to do). If I ever find someone that has one I will see if I can try their wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duneslider View Post
    I wonder how much better the 27.5+ handles snow and ice compared to the 29"? I went riding saturday and we had to sort of pick and choose trails that weren't snow and ice covered but I did probably ride about a mile worth of snow/ice covered trail and it wasn't super great. Saw a lot of guys on fatbikes and they obviously were handling it much better than us. Curious how much better 27+ would be? If it worked and was much better on snow it could greatly extend my winter riding without having to buy a fatbike (which I am not going to do). If I ever find someone that has one I will see if I can try their wheels.
    Awww, now you're gonna make me eat my words. If I needed a snow and ice bike, the $500 investment would be cheap in comparison to a fatbike, and take up less space. A great idea. Let us know how it turns out. Because now its going to eat at you until you do it

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    I haven't seen any plus bikes on the trails anywhere. Not sure how popular that option is going to be but seriously I would be interested in how well they handle packed snow and ice? If it was significantly better than what I have I would consider dropping $500 on wheels and tires.

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    And of course if you do see someone out with one, they will claim it is the best ever!

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    Some new skins for the Pro

    I was having a few issues with the Bronsons when I went tubless on them. I wanted a little bigger tire so I went with 2.4 Ardents with skinwalls for a bit of retro flair. What do you think, pretty tricked out Supercell. Breezer Supercell -Any thoughts?-20151129_094758-1280x720-.jpgBreezer Supercell -Any thoughts?-20151129_094828-1280x586-.jpg

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    Really enjoying my Supercell Expert. Went with single 32t SLX crank and Continental Trail Kings. The Bronson's were terrible for me. In light/soft soil they packed quickly and I couldn't get grip going up hills. The rear tire would spin out and the mud wouldn't clear. The Trail Kings have been awesome! Also, went Stan's tubeless. Really like this bike and even more 1x10!

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    I dig it!

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    Looks good, I have been looking at dropper posts. How much travel is the one you have? I keep hoping a good deal will pop up on craigslist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duneslider View Post
    Looks good, I have been looking at dropper posts. How much travel is the one you have? I keep hoping a good deal will pop up on craigslist.
    I think the Thomson is 125mm. So far so good, but I should have read the reviews on it a bit more, seems like these can have some issues (most of the droppers do) but it has been good so far. The action on this thing is incredibly smooth and I love the infinite travel, plus, besides the cable routing it looks awesome with the bike.

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    I think if you read the reviews they all suck one way or another.

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    I picked up a tmars dropper for mine. It worked great until I washed in a corner out and broke the remote lever with my knee. I made a new lever yesterday that won't break. I wasn't on a dropper trail (pretty mild and flat) but I used it in a few spots and I can tell I'll like it on tougher trails.

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    Digin' it Marc Been thinking about those 2.4's as a FRT tire for my SS. Honestly, I have yet to ride anything other than the Supercell since it arrived.

    FWIW So far so good for me on the Bronson's been great for dry, loose+hard and damp tacky hero dirt... yes still droughting out here in the old west so haven't had real mud.

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    My rear Bronson tire has already worn down, thanks to the rocky Arizona trails. I just replaced it with a tubeless Trail Boss 2.25. So far I'm loving it. Once the front wears out I plan on getting the tubeless Trail Boss 2.4 for the front.

    The 2015 Supercells and Repacks are on sale at Pricepoint.com. Might be a good time to pull the trigger if you haven't already.

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    The 2014 Supercells and Repacks were 100 bucks cheaper a few weeks ago. Now the 2014 and 2015 are priced the same at pricepoint. The 2015 are the ones with the trail boss tires. I bought a 2015 supercell expert, the bike is nice and quality built. I have no complaints, but for 300 bucks more the pro might be worth it for the upgraded components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyham View Post
    My rear Bronson tire has already worn down, thanks to the rocky Arizona trails. I just replaced it with a tubeless Trail Boss 2.25. So far I'm loving it. Once the front wears out I plan on getting the tubeless Trail Boss 2.4 for the front.

    The 2015 Supercells and Repacks are on sale at Pricepoint.com. Might be a good time to pull the trigger if you haven't already.
    I have TCS light/fast TrailBoss 29x2.25s, tubeless front and rear on my Jamis and I killed the rear pretty quick in the rocky SoCal high desert I ride in. The front still looks good, but I expected more from the rear.

    So far a Specialized Ground Control Grid 2.3 has worn the best for me, and I will go back to a set in a few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Bone View Post
    I have TCS light/fast TrailBoss 29x2.25s, tubeless front and rear on my Jamis and I killed the rear pretty quick in the rocky SoCal high desert I ride in. The front still looks good, but I expected more from the rear.

    So far a Specialized Ground Control Grid 2.3 has worn the best for me, and I will go back to a set in a few weeks.
    I got the TCS tough. Hopefully that will last longer than the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roktoy View Post
    The 2014 Supercells and Repacks were 100 bucks cheaper a few weeks ago. Now the 2014 and 2015 are priced the same at pricepoint. The 2015 are the ones with the trail boss tires. I bought a 2015 supercell expert, the bike is nice and quality built. I have no complaints, but for 300 bucks more the pro might be worth it for the upgraded components.
    I noticed that as well. Seems odd to sell the 2014 and 2015 bikes at the same price point.

    For $300 I think the pro is a great upgrade.

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    I'm not seeing any 2015's on Pricepoint.

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    I don't think it says which is a 2014 and which is a 2015, you just have to pay attention to the build of the bike and the paint. The 2014's are glossy and the 2015's are more matte. Tire choice is different on the 2015 too. Other then those items I think they are pretty much the same.

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    There is a 4 or a 5 at the end of the part number as well.

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    Bikes with bronson tires are 2014, the 2015's have trail boss. The tire names are big enough to see from the picture.

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    I just picked up the black Supercell 29 XL

    Bars replaced Renthal 780
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    How's everyones bike holding up? How Do they compare to other 29er FS bikes that you have ridden. Ive ridden my buddies epic comp quite bit and I like it on up hills and flats but even with the suspension set to my weight I use all of the travel, Im thinking that the supercell would be a good trail bike and maybe be good for the occasional xc race a few times a year???

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    I just bought a Supercell Pro and joined MTBR specifically to add to the thread here - as there isn't much information out there about this bike. I live in the Eastern US and my main type of riding is trail. I live 10 minutes from 15 miles of trail, and ride weekly when the weather is good and the trails are open.

    Just for frame of reference for comparable riders:
    I'm 6'4" and 215lbs
    Bought the XL frame of course...

    I'd say I am at intermediate to advanced skill at trail riding with many additional years in small cc dirt motorcycles. I have no downhill or FS experience - but, I may head up to the ski resorts this spring/summer to try out some of the runs there.

    I'll do my best to add to the reports here (good or bad). The bike gets here Wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgredjeep View Post
    Got the AC sorted out and hit the garage to check out the new bike. I'm far from a bike mechanic, and I haven't assembled a bike in years but I didn't have any trouble. Torque specs were either on the parts or in the various manuals. I probably spent around 2hrs total including airing up the tires and shocks. The bike came nicely packaged as I've seen mentioned in other posts. A larger box with the Breezer box inside. No indications that FedEx had run over it with their truck so that was promising.

    Here's a few pics of the unboxing, tire clearance that was requested (I presume you meant in the rear of the frame), and the assembled bike. I can't really offer any riding impressions yet. I pedaled around my front yard a few times to get some baseline air pressures in the shocks. I also don't have anything to compare it to besides my hardtail. Once I get back from the beach I'll take it trail riding and be able to offer so more feedback.

    I also got impatient and ordered a BBG bashguard for a 32t so I guess that'll be my front chainring shortly. That's the same size I've had on my SS for year so I'm sure it will be fine.

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    I just purchased a black supercell pro xl
    1600.00 extra for the following

    Rs pike 140 mm fork
    Renthal apex 30 mm stem
    Renthal 740 carbon fat bars 50 mm rise
    Renthal 34t chainring
    Zee 820 rear derailleur shorty
    11x36 sram cassette
    Fox remote lockout
    Thompson dropper post
    Stans kit

    Will run high preasure on thos setup
    Giant air till something fails


    Rollin withouta colon!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjs1231 View Post
    I just purchased a black supercell pro xl
    1600.00 extra for the following

    Rs pike 140 mm fork
    Renthal apex 30 mm stem
    Renthal 740 carbon fat bars 50 mm rise
    Renthal 34t chainring
    Zee 820 rear derailleur shorty
    11x36 sram cassette
    Fox remote lockout
    Thompson dropper post
    Stans kit

    Will run high preasure on thos setup
    Giant air till something fails


    Rollin withouta colon!!!!!
    Any pictures? Sounds like a nice build.

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    Any pictures? Sounds like a nice build.
    I have not had much time to ride.so much rain down here. Took me a while to dial in suspension. This xl feels like a large. Im pleased with the build. I will try to get some pics up soon. The stem seems a bit to short, i may try a 40-50 mm due to the seat tube angle. I may swap the dropper for a more curved option so i can sit back when pedaling.

    I know now that i should have got the repack and not the supercell.

    Also
    You cant install a angle set due to the head tube deaign, at least thats what works components said. Not sure about other brands.

    Something about drop in bearing cups are a no go.

    For a couple hundred bucks i could have the head tube cutoff and a new one installed with a 68 ha.
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    You could try a pair of these Offsetbushings.com | Standard & Offset bicycle shock hardware ? Offset Bushings | Shock Mounting Hardware They will get you a degree slacker and are a cheap thing to try. I will be trying these on my Repack eventually.

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    I just brought home a Supercell Team 29 that I picked up for only $1,785 (with $179 worth of "Team rewards" credit toward future purchases which more than offsets the 7% local sales tax).

    This was from the Performance Bike downtown Atlanta store (1 of 4 stores in metro Atlanta) and only this one store had "Factory Demo/Sample" bikes from Fuji and Breezer available and only in very limited sizes/quantities. They had two demo'd 2015 Team units in Large with 10% off and then two more "2014" Team bikes; one beat to hell and one very clean both with an extra 5% off (I put 2014 in quotes because imine had the 2015 Trail Boss tires instead of the 2014 Bronsons and was barely used). They also still had three 2016 Team models ( a Small and two Mediums) as new "Factory Samples" for $2,800. I'm in love with the M8000 component group but not when the frame size is wrong. Last, there was one oddly over-priced 2015 Expert model in Medium (why would a Expert be only $100 less than a Team bike?). The glue-on rubber chainstay protector was gone on all bikes except mine (this item was dropped from 2016). Full store and factory warranty's on all the bikes.

    The 2016 Team bikes were interesting not only for their exotic color but also the many notable 2015-released component upgrades; Fox 34 forks, Raceface cockpit group, M8000 group all-black XT crank, 11-speed cassette and rear derailleur, and slick-looking M8000 brakes with I-Spec-II shifters (not I-Spec-B and much nicer than the M785 I-Spec-A XT gear). I-Spec-B shifters are backward-compatible with I-Spec-A brake levers but not the other way around and I-Spec-II is completely different altogether. While the 2016 Team bikes went up in spec, the 2016 Pro bikes went down; RockShox Reba fork instead of Fox 32 Float and RockShox Monarch RT3 shock instead of Fox Float CTD Boost Valve.

    I liked the look of the 2015 Pro build (Satin Charcoal\Black) on PricePoint but Performance didn't have any of those and anyway why would I not choose a 2014/2015 Team build for LESS money? I'm 6'1" with a 33" bike inseam and I liked the feel of the XL (21-inch) best. The cockpit might be a touch long for me but a 18mm carbon riser bar and a 90mm stem (my demo'd bike has a 100mm stem for some reason) will resolve that. The XL with pedals showed 31.9lbs on a digital bike scale.

    Sitting on the one 2015 Expert, I noticed significant stiction on both the X-Fusion fork and shock whereas the high-end Fox components on the Team bikes are buttery smooth (okay, ONE 2014 Team bike had a flat shock).

    I have a set of 2011 Easton Haven 29er UST wheels that I'm looking forward to mounting up tubeless. I already have Ergon grips and a WTB Speed-V saddle mounted. I hate gloss paint but I plan to rub it down to a satin finish with automotive rubbing compound and an orbital buffer. I got lucky with a FSA SL-K carbon cockpit group off eBay tonight to replace the gloss-painted Oval parts that look just like painted steel (why paint aluminum instead of anodizing it?).

    Supercell EXPERT 29
    $1,500 PricePoint
    $1,800 Performance Bike Atlanta (2015 Factory Demo $2,000 less 10%)
    $2,200 Performance Bike (2015 New Online)
    $2,500 Performance Bike (2016 New Online)
    $2,630 2016 MSRP


    Supercell PRO 29
    $1,800 PricePoint
    $2,500 Performance Bike (2015 New Online)
    $3,000 Performance Bike (2016 New Online)
    $3,150 2016 MSRP


    Supercell TEAM 29
    $1,785 Performance Bike Atlanta (2014 Factory Demo $2,100 less 15%) <-- my bike
    $1,890 Performance Bike Atlanta (2015 Factory Demo $2,100 less 10%)
    $2,450 PricePoint
    $2,800 Performance Bike Atlanta (2016 Factory Demo)
    $3,500 Performance Bike (2015 New Online)
    $4,200 MSRP


    Supercell LIMITED 29
    $4,769 Performance Bike (2016 New Online)
    $5,000 2016 MSRP

    ~Clones
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    Just picked up a pro in med. Changed some things before first ride.
    Carbon riser bars
    Took chainrings off and replaced with raceface 34t
    Changed stem to 50mm
    removed front der and shifter
    changed tires to specialized ground control rear and caption control front.
    My initial impression whith this set up is that his bike is not that heavy. It is not the lightest bike on the planet but it is not the heaviest. I figured I saved maybe 1.25lb with the changes. I picked up a guys niner and it didn't feel any lighter. This is my first FS but I have ridden a few and wasn't sure I wanted to get one in a 29er but for the price I couldn't pass up. Did about 15 miles today. This thing rides light Could not believe how well it turns. Better than any 29er ht I have personally ridden or owned. Was considering a 27.5. I ride 29ht mostly.This bike is more agile than my friends Scot 27.5. Great peddler also. I am very impressed with this bike. Still can't believe a 29r could be this lively . Wow. Seat leaves a little to be desired though but that is an easy fix

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    Based on positive reviews and discussion here, in November I picked up a large Expert for me (6'-1", 32" inseam, 240 lbs), and a small Expert for my GF (5'-5", 30" inseam), each from Pricepont for $1,100 (double discount in play then). We both were coming from 26" hard-tails, so it was was a big step up to the 29" FS. As expected the standover on my GF's bike left little to spare, but initial rides convinced her that this would not be a problem.

    The Expert components seem well-chosen considering the modest price, and the frame design seems worth hanging onto for a while and upgrading components as desired.

    After a couple rides, the first revelation was how much more efficient a climber this 29er is than my old Hardrock, even with their weights being essentially equivalent. New England roots and rocks don't stall me like they did before, the rear suspension keeps the Bronson tire firmly planted, BB clearance is significant, and I can focus more on my line ahead rather than immediate impediments, which has improved my flow significantly. After making some stance adjustments, cornering with the larger wheels and bars is as quick as the 26er, and the downhill feel is much more secure and forgiving. I'm looking forward to installing a drop seat post and optimizing the suspension shock rebound.

    Although I have no basis for comparing the Supercell with competitive 29er FS bikes, it seems that Joe Breeze has created a very solid and playfill ride at a reasonable cost. Both my GF and I doubled our riding over the past 1 1/2 months to take advantage of our fun new rigs, and I expect will continue when dry weather returns.
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    I am struggling to find a good seat too. I wasn't a fan of the stock seat. I currently have the seat I pulled off my old bike but I am not a huge fan of it either but it is better than the wtb volt. I wish seats weren't so expensive so I could try a bunch of them. It seems like I can't really tell if a seat works for me unless I can spend an hour or more on it. I have heard that there is a bike shop near me that has a bunch of demo seats you can "borrow".

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    The xfusion only seems to have striction after its been sitting for awhile. But one you cycle it once, the striction is gone and the movement is smooth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duneslider View Post
    I wish seats weren't so expensive so I could try a bunch of them. It seems like I can't really tell if a seat works for me unless I can spend an hour or more on it. I have heard that there is a bike shop near me that has a bunch of demo seats you can "borrow".
    Not sure if they still do but WTB used to have a dealer kit of of their most popular saddles all with bold yellow accents and logos and marked "Test Ride". If you search PricePoint.com for "WTB Test Ride Saddle" you can see what they look like. The idea was that you'd be able to borrow saddles one at a time from your LBS (deposit or not, up to the shop). Use the saddle for a day or a week or whatever you work out with the shop. My LBS just sells you the test ride saddles and you can return it for exchange whenever you're ready (or never). I question whether WTB still does has this program given that PricePoint is selling ten WTB "Test Ride" models at a discount.

    The Rocket V looks great but it has a raised lip at the rear that digs into my behind. The Pure V has a long nose, too long for me. The Laser V is another variation but my favorite in several iterations is the Speed V; exactly what I'd expect a MTB saddle to look and feel like. Goldilocks says "just right".

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    Quote Originally Posted by roktoy View Post
    The xfusion only seems to have striction after its been sitting for awhile. But one you cycle it once, the striction is gone and the movement is smooth.
    This has been my experience as well. Once it sits for a bit that stiction is significant, but only at the top of the fork travel and only for the first cycle.

    Still odd though.

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    I have a speed v and pure v also .Like the speed v better great saddle and cheap. That being said the charge spoon, also inexpensive is the best I have used to date. The x- fusion stuff is really good especially for the money but boy does it take a long time to break in. I have a trace on my ridley and cooker and love that fork. Same dampener as slant. Will up grade to the Rough Cut (RC) cartridge when they become available

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    I find that if you invert the forks for about thirty seconds it will lubricate the foam rings at the top with the fork oil and it really minimizes the stiction. I too have the X-Fusion Slide on my bike.

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    A few Breezers are 15% off at PricePoint, seem to be Expert level Repack and Supercell.

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    Just weighed mine with the changes made 18.5 frame and it is just under 30lbs

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    Glad you guys mentioned the stiction thought it was just me. Seems to be most noticeable when its cooler, 45f or less. Only on 1st cycle after sitting other than that the fork feels real nice and has never given me any issues. 2 months, 325 miles, still loving it.

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    did about 20 miles this weekend. I love this bike more and more. Right now there is no were that I prefer my hard tails over this. Can't believe how well this bike turns . Brother has a Repack and it is also nice. This bike is more flickable than some of the 27.5 I have ridden. I would say if you are on the boarder line of size though get the larger one.They run just a tad small.

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    I don't have a lot of experience with MTB shocks but usually stiction is a result of seals that are dry. Anyone done any work on the x-fusion fork and found the stiction less after new seals/wipers installed and greased? How about method of storing? If you store the bike hanging from the front or rear does that keep oil on the seals and keep them from drying and prevent the stiction. I will have to pay more attention to see if I notice any on my bike.

    I have noticed the x-fusion to be very stiff at first in cold temps (below say 36degrees). Not sure I would call what I felt stiction though, just stiff. I haven't ridden any higher end stuff to know if this is normal across the board.

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    I have the x-fusion on my hard tail and the fox on the breezer , also Manitou on a hard tail. The x-fusion is a little stiffer but every bit as good as the Fox in my opinion for the same price point. When the Rough Cut upgrades are available for my trace I wil upgrade that. I am thinking of when I up gradei the trace putting it on the Breezer and putting the fox on the hardtail . There will be an upgrade kit for anything with the RL2 dampener

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    Hi Guys, I joined a few days ago and posted but still hasn't shown up so I apologize if this ends up a double post.

    I've been following this thread since I ran across it researching the Breezer Thunder Pro on PP when it was $899 at Christmas and now think I'm ready to pull the trigger on the Supercell Expert instead but torn on sizing. I'm 46yrs old 5'10 180lbs with a 33" inseam using the book method with no shoes. Arm reach is about 30" from front of armpit to fingertip. Reading through all of the posts I was pretty set on getting a medium but saw rtreenut's post that said "I would say if you are on the boarder line of size though get the larger one.They run just a tad small" so now thinking a large.

    For reference I did find a medium at a local LBS but salesperson wasn't much help. With the seat fully down I was really just touching my toes when sitting on it but sag wasn't adjusted at all and was stiff. The medium Supercell felt a lot bigger then the medium Repack they had and can't find a large to sit on.

    Looking at the Geo chart it doesn't seem to be a huge difference going to the large and can always change the stem so now leaning that way. Been out of biking for many years so just looking for any input on sizing. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rtreenut View Post
    did about 20 miles this weekend. I love this bike more and more. Right now there is no were that I prefer my hard tails over this. Can't believe how well this bike turns . Brother has a Repack and it is also nice. This bike is more flickable than some of the 27.5 I have ridden. I would say if you are on the boarder line of size though get the larger one.They run just a tad small.
    Hi Guys, I'm 5'10" with a 33" bike inseam and looking on advice for going with a medium or large frame. I was pretty much set on a medium after reading the entire thread but this post from rtreenut saying they run a tad small has me thinking about a large now. I found a medium to sit on at a local LBS but salesman wasn't much help with sizing. It felt fine and with seat at lowest position was pretty much on my toes touching the ground but wasn't adjusted for sag. The Supercell medium felt quite a bit bigger then the medium Repack.

    I'd appreciate any input, trying to figure it out before the PP 15% off deal ends.

    Thanks!

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    Hey all, I am looking to do some upgrade to my supercell expert and am curious what you all feel will be the best bang for the buck? I am totally stock right now other than a different seat but I am still trying to find a good seat. I also got a new stem and handle bar that I need to put on.

    I am leaning towards a dropper post and brake upgrade. The brakes have been pretty good all things considered other than I have struggled to get the back bled properly. Once it warms up I am going to try again and see what I can get to happen. If I can get the back to feel as good as the front I will be fine with them. What about upgrading the shifters to XT? Any benefit from that? Any other smaller upgrades that make a difference?

    I don't think I am at the level that the X-fusion shock and fork need to be replaced, I think they feel pretty great to me.

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    What problems are you having with your brakes? I've had no problems with the SLX brakes on my SC Pro. I did upgrade my rotors to 203F/180R. I also built a "real" wheelset using DT Swiss 350 hubs and 23mm Frequency rims. A dropper post would be awesome.
    The biggest thing I did to improve this bike was to shift the cockpit rearwards using a setback seatpost and shorter stem. The bike just felt sluggish to me before I shifted my weight back.
    I also ditched the front derailleur and went 1x10 with a OneUp 40 tooth cog on an XT cassette. I also installed an XT shifter... not a huge improvement, but the shifting is slightly crisper than the SLX.

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    I would think medium, I am 5'8" with 31.5 inseam, and I got the medium. I was boarder line probably would have been fine with a small too. I think they actually run large. a M is 18.5" seat tube. If you can find a dealer and try one out, performance bike might have in. I would stay stick with what you ride on other bikes, do you usually run a large or medium.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1wheeler1 View Post
    Hi Guys, I'm 5'10" with a 33" bike inseam and looking on advice for going with a medium or large frame. I was pretty much set on a medium after reading the entire thread but this post from rtreenut saying they run a tad small has me thinking about a large now. I found a medium to sit on at a local LBS but salesman wasn't much help with sizing. It felt fine and with seat at lowest position was pretty much on my toes touching the ground but wasn't adjusted for sag. The Supercell medium felt quite a bit bigger then the medium Repack.

    I'd appreciate any input, trying to figure it out before the PP 15% off deal ends.

    Thanks!
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    I also thought bike set a little tall so I cut down my seat post a little ( inch) but bike does not feel tall when rideing. I have raise the seat back up a little I think the medium will be fine for you (wheeler) if you have SLX iwould not spend money to upgrade to xt. The lx is modeled after xt and is so close not worth it in my opinion. I have my seat set back as far as possible and 50mm stem, stock is just too long IMO. Shorter stem seem to be the way too go on MTB these days and I agree. I like bikes with around a 600mm effective top tube give or take. I know you can change stem length to adjust some things but I do not like running anything over 70mm on a MTB. This bike feels a tad smaller than my Cooker but about the same as my Ridley,all having almost the effective top tube and all being medium frames

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemke View Post
    What problems are you having with your brakes? I've had no problems with the SLX brakes on my SC Pro. I did upgrade my rotors to 203F/180R. I also built a "real" wheelset using DT Swiss 350 hubs and 23mm Frequency rims. A dropper post would be awesome.
    The biggest thing I did to improve this bike was to shift the cockpit rearwards using a setback seatpost and shorter stem. The bike just felt sluggish to me before I shifted my weight back.
    I also ditched the front derailleur and went 1x10 with a OneUp 40 tooth cog on an XT cassette. I also installed an XT shifter... not a huge improvement, but the shifting is slightly crisper than the SLX.
    It feels like a bleed issue, bubble in it somewhere or moisture. It wasn't good from day one but it has gotten worse. Once it got cold it would not stop at all until it warmed up or I pumped it a dozen times then it would work okay. I bled it twice and it is better but doesn't feel as good as the front. Its in the 20's in the garage right now so I am going to wait until it warms up to give bleeding another try.

    I have a shorter stem and a riser bar to put on and I am excited to try that. I might need to go with a set back seat post too but I will wait to see how the handle bars and stem feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1wheeler1 View Post
    Hi Guys, I'm 5'10" with a 33" bike inseam and looking on advice for going with a medium or large frame. I was pretty much set on a medium after reading the entire thread but this post from rtreenut saying they run a tad small has me thinking about a large now. I found a medium to sit on at a local LBS but salesman wasn't much help with sizing. It felt fine and with seat at lowest position was pretty much on my toes touching the ground but wasn't adjusted for sag. The Supercell medium felt quite a bit bigger then the medium Repack.

    I'd appreciate any input, trying to figure it out before the PP 15% off deal ends.

    Thanks!
    I am 5'10" and my inseam is about the same as yours and I feel pretty good on the medium. I certainly wouldn't want bigger and I think the small would feel cramped but I haven't tried on to know for sure.

    This bike did feel taller than the hard tail I came from but I quickly got used to it and don't feel that way now.

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    by the way we did a 20mi night ride this week and I rode a guys trek FS for about 5mi and I certainly would not trade bikes even if the price was the same. He seemed like he like the breezer better than his bike without coming right out and saying it

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    The expert model comes with the alivio m445 or m447 brakes, which are fine. But xt or slx brakes would be an upgrade.
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    Haha

    Quote Originally Posted by rtreenut View Post
    by the way we did a 20mi night ride this week and I rode a guys trek FS for about 5mi and I certainly would not trade bikes even if the price was the same. He seemed like he like the breezer better than his bike without coming right out and saying it
    Rode a new bike park sat and sun

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    The zee m820 ss operated flawlessly
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    Im 210 fully geared up. So remember its not just your weight but your weight geared up, camel pack and all


    Supercell is alot of fun but i installed a 140 fork and it works perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Jorgensen View Post
    OEM wheels. They are already taped and tubless compatible. I just pulled the tubes added WTB stems and some stans sealant. Thye hold good, the front bled down, but I re sealed the bead and it is holding air fine now. Like I said though, I feel like I have to run more air than I would like but I am a pretty big guy (220 or so) and in the turns the tire seemed like it would fold. Honesty though this is the first time I have messed with tubless, not sure it is worth the hassle to me.
    Yep, same here. Tubeless no good for over 200 lbs riders

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    I am 210 and run tubless with zero issues .There are several people I know over 250 that run tubless with no prob. at 200 lbs you prob need about 28-30psi back and 25-27 front

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    Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of running tubeless? That is probably about the pressure I run with tubes and weigh 195. I thought the main advantage of tubeless was being able to run a lower pressure and not get pinch flats? Weight savings is pretty insignificant from what I can see. I haven't run tubeless so I really have no real world experience with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duneslider View Post
    Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of running tubeless? That is probably about the pressure I run with tubes and weigh 195. I thought the main advantage of tubeless was being able to run a lower pressure and not get pinch flats? Weight savings is pretty insignificant from what I can see. I haven't run tubeless so I really have no real world experience with it.
    I saved over a pound on my 29er going tubeless. You could actually feel the difference. Dropping rotating weight seems to be the most noticeable.

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    tire psi should be determined by your weight. You should run a higher psi with tubes than tubless. The ride is also different, you lose weight and decrease rotating mass. Losing a pound of rotating mass is like losing prob 3-4lbs of frame weight

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoMountainsBiker View Post
    I saved over a pound on my 29er going tubeless. You could actually feel the difference. Dropping rotating weight seems to be the most noticeable.
    That is pretty significant. Most I have talked to said the actual loss they saw was less than half a pound. Tubes alone weigh about a pound but by the time you add sealant and stems back in assuming your rims are already taped I just don't see over a pound of weight loss. Maybe someday I will try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duneslider View Post
    That is pretty significant. Most I have talked to said the actual loss they saw was less than half a pound. Tubes alone weigh about a pound but by the time you add sealant and stems back in assuming your rims are already taped I just don't see over a pound of weight loss. Maybe someday I will try it.
    I actually weighed everything I took off Vs what I put back in and there was a significant difference. I don't remember exactly now what it was. Can't find where it was written down. My wheels were already taped from the factory.

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    tubless is not just about the actual weight. This is rotating mass and ride quality. Also don't forget rim strip for tubes versus tape for tubless almost a wash

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtreenut View Post
    tubless is not just about the actual weight. This is rotating mass and ride quality. Also don't forget rim strip for tubes versus tape for tubless almost a wash
    I agree. Also IMHO ride quality and traction was much improved after going tubeless.

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    Hi guys. I'm considering buying this bike because it's cheap and I could use a second bike. Right now I have a 14 Fuel EX8 29er.

    I'm looking at the Expert and it looks like the 2015 is $100 cheaper. Only real difference is the tires from what I can see.


    I'm 5'11 or so with 32" inseam. I'm going to throw a 60mm stem on and maybe 740mm bars. I have a setback dropper to throw on it . I like a more upright seating position and to sit further back on the bike. So, should I go for a medium or a large?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KidConejo View Post
    Hi guys. I'm considering buying this bike because it's cheap and I could use a second bike. Right now I have a 14 Fuel EX8 29er.

    I'm looking at the Expert and it looks like the 2015 is $100 cheaper. Only real difference is the tires from what I can see.


    I'm 5'11 or so with 32" inseam. I'm going to throw a 60mm stem on and maybe 740mm bars. I have a setback dropper to throw on it . I like a more upright seating position and to sit further back on the bike. So, should I go for a medium or a large?
    Here it is

    so the super cell geometry is stuck at what you buy.

    I have a super cell I picked up in December 2015 and I am looking to sell it.

    it has the following upgrades

    super cell pro XL black 29er with 120 front and rear
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    stem renthal apex 50 mm stem
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    34 t race face narrow wide black chainring
    shimano zee m820 short cage rear derailleur
    2x jumbo lizard skins on the rear chain stay for total silence
    Direct mount cover for the removal of the front derailleur

    I will sell for 1900.00 I have put 2100 and some change in it.

    pre prepped and tested, adjusted and optimized.

    ready to assemble and rock the trails.
    perfect condition, spent 2 hours on lame trails.
    i don't think there is a single scratch or nick on the bike at all.

    shoot me an email if interested

    location is US florida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjs1231 View Post
    Yep, same here. Tubeless no good for over 200 lbs riders
    Quote Originally Posted by rtreenut View Post
    I am 210 and run tubeless with zero issues .There are several people I know over 250 that run tubeless with no prob. at 200 lbs you prob need about 28-30psi back and 25-27 front
    Quote Originally Posted by duneslider View Post
    Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of running tubeless? That is probably about the pressure I run with tubes and weigh 195. I thought the main advantage of tubeless was being able to run a lower pressure and not get pinch flats? Weight savings is pretty insignificant from what I can see. I haven't run tubeless so I really have no real world experience with it.
    I guess I didn't get that memo as I am rarely below 250 lbs, and have been running tubeless (almost exclusively) for nearly 7 years. On 29" tires that are 2.1" to 2.3", I run 28 to 30 psi in the rear tire, and maybe 2 psi less in front. No, it does not defeat the purpose of running tubeless for me. The purpose is better performance from a given tire, and flat protection. Weight isn't that much different as I run a little more sealant than most. NEVER more than 30 psi in a 29" MTB tire, tubed or tubeless.

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    agree with above. Point I was making is that you do run lower pressure in tubeless compared to tubes. you usually run more psi if you are on the heavier side than a person that is lighter. Generally you run less psi for tubeless than you would if you were running tubes. The bigger benefits are more performance and ride oriented. One of the riders in our group is 300 lbs running tubeless with no issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtreenut View Post
    agree with above. Point I was making is that you do run lower pressure in tubeless compared to tubes. you usually run more psi if you are on the heavier side than a person that is lighter. Generally you run less psi for tubeless than you would if you were running tubes. The bigger benefits are more performance and ride oriented. One of the riders in our group is 300 lbs running tubeless with no issues
    Quick advice- This thread is abut the only thread regarding the Breezer Supercell line. I'm a noob to mtb. Lng time road biker. I'm 6'2", 225lb, and am looking for a FS bike.

    Would you guys buy another Breezer? From pricepoint? Or is there a better model somewhere spec'd like the Supercell Pro for less than 2k?
    I just have not seen much info or reviews on the Breezer compared to other comparable bikes.

    Thx in advance ,

    PappyD

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    Quote Originally Posted by PappyD View Post
    Quick advice- This thread is abut the only thread regarding the Breezer Supercell line. I'm a noob to mtb. Lng time road biker. I'm 6'2", 225lb, and am looking for a FS bike.

    Would you guys buy another Breezer? From pricepoint? Or is there a better model somewhere spec'd like the Supercell Pro for less than 2k?
    I just have not seen much info or reviews on the Breezer compared to other comparable bikes.

    Thx in advance ,

    PappyD

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