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    Bike for commuting to work

    I am hoping the many morons I have made fun of over the years, i.e., those who from their mom's basement vie to post the most esoteric and e-masturbation worthy abortions with drop bars etc., can now instead help me.

    I will be commuting to work whenever possible moving forward. The only bike I have now is a mountain bike that is configured as a true mountain bike and dont want to change that. The approximate 25 mile route will consist of random roads, to include an 8 mile fireroad dropping me nearby work that would be all dirt...and the like.

    I will not have much money to spend (<$1500). I know nothing of cyclocross bikes etc. and while they could work i am sure, tell me about so-called "touring' bikes?

    Would bikes such as salsa fargo (yeah i know thats considered a 29er MTB), salsa vaya, surly cross check with flat bars etc. work? I could also get something like an On One which i liked and just put thinner tires on. Or is this one of those questions that is simply answered by get whatever the eff you want and feel comfortable on?

    Anyway, since i asked nicely please let me know your thoughts, but not those of your mom, just related to the question.

    thanks in advance
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    There was a sweet ByStickel a while back that would have been killer with some drop bars....



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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    There was a sweet ByStickel a while back that would have been killer with some drop bars....

    You sir need to STFU. If i wanted your opinion i would give it to you right after kicking you in the nutz

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    It's nice knowing that someone like you will never afford a bike like mine.


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    hey fo, built this cross check last year and it has seen many miles since. from commuting to some of my favorite trials. single speed set up 32/18, 35mm small block 8's, on one mary bar....etc. i chose a cross style bike for the geometry as well a bit more strength than a touring bike. i really enjoy being able to commute and bomb some trails with the same bike.
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    Doesn't have drop bars, but meets your price requirements. Can be used both on and off road.

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    Man, you got dry-humped.

    I NEVER thought I would see the day you were commuting.

    I have a Salsa Vaya sitting in the corner waiting to be built. Very nice frame Fo Schizzle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LandSpeed
    It's nice knowing that someone like you will never afford a bike like mine.

    What do you mean "somebody like you"? Sounds racist to me and I hope the mods address it accordingly. Because I can't afford a bike made by I think his name is Sherman, does not make u better than me.

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    The Fargo or a Gryphon(would have to keep it stingy on the build) would be great. Having the full 29er tire selection would a plus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kreater
    hey fo, built this cross check last year and it has seen many miles since. from commuting to some of my favorite trials. single speed set up 32/18, 35mm small block 8's, on one mary bar....etc. i chose a cross style bike for the geometry as well a bit more strength than a touring bike. i really enjoy being able to commute and bomb some trails with the same bike.
    Very cool. Something exactly like that but with gears seems perfect!

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    Karate Monkey with flat bars, gears, and Nanoraptor type tires. If you can find fenders that will fit, add those as well. Goes anywhere.

    Any bike of that sort will work.

    If you can find something Ti with clearance for Fat (3.0-4.0") tires, that would probably be more ideal though.

    You will end up with this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Karate Monkey with flat bars, gears, and Nanoraptor type tires. If you can find fenders that will fit, add those as well. Goes anywhere.

    Any bike of that sort will work.

    If you can find something Ti with clearance for Fat (3.0-4.0") tires, that would probably be more ideal though.

    You will end up with this:

    http://moots.com/our-bike/road/comooter/overview/
    Don't be ridiculous, I said 1500. Besides, those moots fenders are not even Ti

    Maybe I should just talk to Jnc about building a snowbike
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    What do you mean "somebody like you"? Sounds racist to me and I hope the mods address it accordingly. Because I can't afford a bike made by I think his name is Sherman, does not make u better than me.
    Quit whining, princess. Would it make you feel any better if I told you that I wrote "fo shizzle" in a sentence, today, before knowing who you were?
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    https://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/road-tires-691067.html

    By the way, I'm not racist. The confederate flag sticker on the tube is because the bike is like the general lee out of the dukes of hazzard. Geet 'em, hoss


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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    Doesn't have drop bars, but meets your price requirements. Can be used both on and off road.

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    Doh. Cheap but no thanks. I will also be adding a cheap used dual sport and it will be much better than that piece of crap and probably not a bunch more

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    Couple of ideas:
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Don't be ridiculous, I said 1500. Besides, those moots fenders are not even Ti

    Maybe I should just talk to Jnc about building a snowbike
    If you are serious about commuting, fenders are a must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    If you are serious about commuting, fenders are a must.
    I am. But don't see why in my case as I would simply not ride unless I knew it would be dry. Am I missing something?

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    I do not live in Santa Barbara so I couldn't get away with those tires

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    Take a look here at some of the CX frames/forks. I am thinking about building a CX bike next for commuting to work (if I find a job here in town).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    I am. But don't see why in my case as I would simply not ride unless I knew it would be dry. Am I missing something?
    Then you are not serious about commuting

    Ride a few times in even a light rain, or after a rain (puddles) with and without fenders and you will not believe the difference. You will get trapped at work and ride home in rain occasionally.

    I have been through every possible configuration of commuter except going to fixie land:

    Overall, a multi-geared bike with lots of tire clearance, and bigish tires is my preference for mixed roads/trails/dirt roads.

    In your situation, that is a pretty long commute with a lot of road, so I would stick with a tire in the 38mm-2.0 range. Your frame should clear that tire. A lot of road and Cx bikes will not thgough you could surely ride them on your particular commute. I have never been happy with drop bars commuting.

    The Monkey has identical Geometry to a Cross Check except for longer top tubes/shorter seat tubes. I had a Cross Check and prefer the Monkey frame for commuting.

    I have had it in the below config for a couple years although the gravity dropper was put on recently just to tick Aqua off.

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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    My 2 cent. If you're serious about commuting go with a touring "type" bike. No need for the assninemonstercrosssuperflairedoverkilldropbarfatt irewannabebikes that fill the forum. Long wheel base for a stable all day ride, 32c tires for traction puncture resistance and comfort, braze ons for racks and fenders because it's smart, comfy but aero ride position cause you're oldandshit, wide rando bars for lots of positions and lights because your Mom says so.

    Go hang out with the dorks in the commuter forum. Those guys put in a ton of miles (More than 90% of the posers on the rest of the forums) and are committed to "The Cause".

    BTW. $1500 would build you a super sweet vintage ride. One good thing that came from the 70's, besides The BeeGees, was the American bike boom. Older touring bikes have all of the above attributes plus a style that an "overseas" bike will never posses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff
    Go hang out with the dorks in the commuter forum. Those guys put in a ton of miles (More than 90% of the posers on the rest of the forums) and are committed to "The Cause".
    +1 best suggestion in the thread. Those folks are hard core, day in, day out mega milers.

    I also recommend:
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/forumdisplay.php?f=76 for the roadie side of commuting.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Dude my friend rides his SS Karate monkey everywhere, even though he has a SS road bike. He also rides the rigid thing on the trail. One bike = KM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max5480
    Dude my friend rides his SS Karate monkey everywhere, even though he has a SS road bike. He also rides the rigid thing on the trail. One bike = KM.
    the KM does sound like a good choice...as do a few others i have uncovered via this thread and google. a geared KM may be the ticket

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    I will be commuting to work whenever possible moving forward.

    Anyway, since i asked nicely please let me know your thoughts, but not those of your mom, just related to the question.
    You'll want something that provides good vision for you in traffic (not to mention a nice basket or two to carry your lunch)...

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    ... and if we just ... Monkey's Rule.

    I'll 50th the suggestion for the KM Fantastic Do it All, all around bike. I've used mine with big beefy knobbies and enjoy major trails and I've used it with Nanos for road touring with some trailing, but for the most part I enjoy it with some 38mm City Slickers for my "road" rides. I'd take Enels advice and add some fenders, "just in case" sucks to be getting sprayed with that oh so sweet road water.

    Oh they say you can't use a rack and discs on the back, Oooops, I guess I missed that one up till the other week, but don't tell my Monkey, it's been hauling groceries as well, with up to 40lbs on a rack mounted pannier if it found out it could call it's union rep.

    BTW if you get the new ones, they've lowered the standover, so now even more so than before a fantastic all around bike
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    What happened to your little "I'm going to be a BADASS moto jockey" stint? That whole leather chaps thing seemed to be working for ya.

    Seriously, though. You don't need fenders if your properly outfitted.
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    Salsa Fargo. I flatbarred mine cause I hate drops. Works great.

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    25 miles one way or round trip? Either way that's more than I would ride a mountain bike unless there was actual dirt involved.

    Touring bikes are great and you can carry whatever you want on them. A little less lively and fun to ride as a very general rule, compared to cyclocross bikes. But something like the crosscheck blurs the lines.

    But yeah, for a commute that distance a mountain bike would pretty much suck. Fargo might be acceptable but I would use narrower tires. I did a 15 mile one way commute for a few weeks on a 29er hardtail with knobbies when I didn't have another bike that was better, and it sucked. 10 minutes slower than my cross bike and most of all it just wasn't any fun to ride on pavement for that distance. No point in a bike that works against you.

    My commuter now is a ss/fixed cross bike. With fenders and a variety of tire options it covers all of my bases pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    There was a sweet ByStickel a while back that would have been killer with some drop bars....

    Whoa. Damn. Just...damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown
    You'll want something that provides good vision for you in traffic (not to mention a nice basket or two to carry your lunch)...

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2853342225/" title="Tall bike by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/2853342225_888d58d64c_o.jpg" width="1024" height="644" alt="Tall bike" /></a>




    I will throw in a sahweet set of baskets for this.

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    Surly CrossCheck or Karate Monkey. Stupid versatile and either can be set up a host of ways. For ~1500, you can get a decent enough build, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    I will throw in a sahweet set of baskets for this.
    It's gonna have to be something like this because Fo will be hungry after a 25 mile commute.



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    The other option is for Fo to pull a trailer so he can carry his lunch and eat it too....

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    Keep it simple stupid, and light. When I commuted it was on a road bike with a backpack, road riding kills so I don't do that anymore but enjoyed the daily routine especially the ride home.

    Fenders in Socal? If you haven't ridden drop bars you probably won't like em, I like em so I use em on my La cruz even tho they are not in vogue here

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    I would not want to commute 25 miles on flat bars or big fat tires, too slow. CX bike with 32 or 35 semi knobbies is probably ideal. I have also commuted with and without fenders, and I prefer without because they can rattle when you hit bumps and the sound always annoyed me. I would definately buy a rear rack and side or top bag, riding with a backpack makes my back hot, sweaty and very uncomfortable from the extra weight.

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    1. Stay away from bikes with cantilever brakes. They are:
    PITA to setup - still - yes still are...

    2. Get a rack and panniers with a 'quick-click' connection

    3. Big wheels feel better on the commute - go 700C

    4. An internal geared hub or SS if you are up for it

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    I was just poking around the GT website, and it looks like they applied the Peace frame in a new way. msrp of $929


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    My commuter

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    With the disc brake mods it would be way outa your $1500 price range but this is my commuter. Its quick and efficient on the road, a capable curb-hopper and I've ridden quit a bit of single track on it.



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    I had one of these for a while and used it often as a townie bike. It was an awesome ride. Ran it 1x9 and it performed without fail. The only thing that made switch was a desire for a rear rack and a slightly lighter build



    I replaced it with this. As much as I loved the Redline the Lynskey is helping me get over her.



    I also love that GT minus the ugly drop bars

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    Quote Originally Posted by None
    Salsa Fargo. I flatbarred mine cause I hate drops. Works great.
    yeah, i think i like the Fargo based on what i have seen

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown
    You'll want something that provides good vision for you in traffic (not to mention a nice basket or two to carry your lunch)...

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    Salsa Vaya looks like the real deal, more than enough brazeons, enough room for a reasonably sized tire.

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    Yeah, Vaya w/ the Apex build. It's my "plan" for a commuter.
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    What about the Salsa Casseroll? Looks great for commuting. As does the Vaya...tough call there. I guess it would depend on the quality of the roads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    yeah, i think i like the Fargo based on what i have seen
    I hadn't looked much at them before, seems like a good choice.

    Monkeys have shorter chainstays though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikewrench
    Yeah, Vaya w/ the Apex build. It's my "plan" for a commuter.
    cool, guess i just need to see some and figure out to what extent i really "need" non road-sized rims to allow or slightly bigger tires if i want. The list of potentials i suppose, knowing i could be way off on some, are:

    marin point reyes 29er
    karate monkey
    cannondale cx
    rocky mountain metropolis
    GT Peace 9er multi (with roadie-ish tires?)
    raleigh sojourn
    redline conquest
    Scott Sub 10
    salsa la cruz
    salsa fargo
    salsa vaya
    surly cross check
    On-One Pompetamine Alfine

    and of course ANY mountain bike i wanted to make work...this is just the google based list i see so far

    EDIT: i realize something closely resembling or actually a cross bike is the logical choice, so these get added for now
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    kona jake the snake (gots to be the 09 version cuz the green is cool)
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot
    What about the Salsa Casseroll? Looks great for commuting. As does the Vaya...tough call there. I guess it would depend on the quality of the roads.
    agreed...roads range from standard residential, to crappy potholed roads, pacific coast highway anchored to a dirt fireroad (for days i am up for that route anyway)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    ...shorter chainstays...
    ah yes, good point as usual Enel - I will use a unicycle then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    What happened to your little "I'm going to be a BADASS moto jockey" stint? That whole leather chaps thing seemed to be working for ya.

    Seriously, though. You don't need fenders if your properly outfitted.
    piss off. i actually had to sell my motorcycle, will be getting a new one in november/december timeframe but the bike is still on for this purpose

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    I currently have a geared 29er, a SS rigid 29er, and a carbon road bike in the garage. I did have a Campy Veloce equipped Cross Check that was my most ridden bike. I would still have it, but it was a size too small and I had the jones to build a SS. The steel cross bike makes a great commuter and I even switched the cross tires for some slicks and did a few club rides. When I think of a commuter, the Vaya fits the bill: durable stee w/ cross potential(rather than touring/just gives more options), discs(great in any weather) and a comfortable riding position. Gonna be riding the Infinito til I can get the $$ to build up another commuter. Two things I can guarantee are it will be steel and it will have Apex.

    Hopefully this lends a little more insight than my previous post! Good luck on your search!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikewrench
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    I currently have a geared 29er, a SS rigid 29er, and a carbon road bike in the garage. I did have a Campy Veloce equipped Cross Check that was my most ridden bike. I would still have it, but it was a size too small and I had the jones to build a SS. The steel cross bike makes a great commuter and I even switched the cross tires for some slicks and did a few club rides. When I think of a commuter, the Vaya fits the bill: durable stee w/ cross potential(rather than touring/just gives more options), discs(great in any weather) and a comfortable riding position. Gonna be riding the Infinito til I can get the $$ to build up another commuter. Two things I can guarantee are it will be steel and it will have Apex.

    Hopefully this lends a little more insight than my previous post! Good luck on your search!
    yes....thanks!

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    I'd suggest a sweet Masi Specialie CX. I commuted on one for two years and loved it's ability to go anywhere and not fold.

    Steel frame, lot's of tire clearance, Steel, can put on racks and fenders, Steel, Good for any road surface - including dirt.

    Around $1,000.00.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howeler
    I'd suggest a sweet Masi Specialie CX. I commuted on one for two years and loved it's ability to go anywhere and not fold.

    Steel frame, lot's of tire clearance, Steel, can put on racks and fenders, Steel, Good for any road surface - including dirt.

    Around $1,000.00.
    cool, thanks

    by the way, not that i care much for rules, but what is the etiquette for cycling wear? Its critical i get a bike where baggies will be acceptable. i refuse to wear lycra on my commute to work so please advise

    for me anyway, this thread was a good read too http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=592322

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    I always used baggies w/ the cross bike when doing anything other than club rides. Seems the CX bike gives you a little more lattitude than a true road bike. Just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikewrench
    I always used baggies w/ the cross bike when doing anything other than club rides. Seems the CX bike gives you a little more lattitude than a true road bike. Just my opinion.
    thanks for the input, what i wanted to hear

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    The shop that I work @ PT does alot of morning coffee rides in the Spring/Summer and the baggies seem alot more appropriate than the spandex when off the bike. Also, when pulling the trailer w/ the CX bike, I figured that no one was going to mistake me for a racer so why not.
    We all have/had steel cross bikes as commuters to include a Bianchi Volpe, a Salsa La Cruz and my departed Surly Cross Check. The Salsa was originally mine, but it was too small. I loved the bike and I think that is why I must have the Vaya.
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    when looking around for similar info, i saw this post and decided i "needed" a Vaya:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=125

    currently have a flight29er that i use for some gravel/rails-to-trails type stuff, but i'll be looking into swapping everything for a vaya frame with midge bars

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    I won't give you specific advice about which bike cos I live in Oz and we get different bikes and pricing.

    I am still searching for the elusive perfect commuter bike and I have tried a few combinations. I am currently on a Canondale Bad Boy Alfine 8 with 35mm slicks and a rack but it has its limitations.

    At the end of the day it will come down to the conditions of your regular commute ride and personal preference. But anywhere here are my learnings from over 5 years of commuting and my personal preferences.

    1) Go for disc brakes, more reliable, especially when wet and you don't chew your rims up with road grime.

    2) Go for 700c/29er wheels. These will fit in most 26 inch mtb frames with reasonable size tyres if you want to go that way.

    3) Get your gearing right so you are not shifting chainrings all the time. Commuter gearing is not necessarily the same as mtb, road or cross gearing. My most successful setup was a 26/36/48 XT crankset and a 12-27 cassette. I rarely needed the 26 unless I was feeling stuffed on the ride home.

    4) Internal geared hubs are heavy and have a greater internal resistance. I am at least 5% slower on an IGH than derailleur gears. Makes me work harder though, so its good for training.

    5) Fenders I live without and avoid deliberately commuting on rainy days, if I get caught I get wet, too bad - HTFU.

    6) I prefer flat bars for commuting, the only bike I have with drop bars is my carbon roadie and I mostly ride it on the hoods, everything else has flat bars.

    7) If you are running a rigid fork (like most commuters will) then look for some compliance in the frame. So I would go steel over aluminium.

    8) Go for a mounted rear rack so you don't need to carry a backpack. It makes the ride much more enjoyable.

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    I would go with a fat front so you can roll over those gnarly obstacles on the fireroads, bonus is you will be covered when that 2" of snow hits as well as looking Procore here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sennaster
    when looking around for similar info, i saw this post and decided i "needed" a Vaya:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=125

    currently have a flight29er that i use for some gravel/rails-to-trails type stuff, but i'll be looking into swapping everything for a vaya frame with midge bars
    nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma
    I won't give you specific advice about which bike cos I live in Oz and we get different bikes and pricing.

    I am still searching for the elusive perfect commuter bike and I have tried a few combinations. I am currently on a Canondale Bad Boy Alfine 8 with 35mm slicks and a rack but it has its limitations.

    At the end of the day it will come down to the conditions of your regular commute ride and personal preference. But anywhere here are my learnings from over 5 years of commuting and my personal preferences.

    1) Go for disc brakes, more reliable, especially when wet and you don't chew your rims up with road grime.

    2) Go for 700c/29er wheels. These will fit in most 26 inch mtb frames with reasonable size tyres if you want to go that way.

    3) Get your gearing right so you are not shifting chainrings all the time. Commuter gearing is not necessarily the same as mtb, road or cross gearing. My most successful setup was a 26/36/48 XT crankset and a 12-27 cassette. I rarely needed the 26 unless I was feeling stuffed on the ride home.

    4) Internal geared hubs are heavy and have a greater internal resistance. I am at least 5% slower on an IGH than derailleur gears. Makes me work harder though, so its good for training.

    5) Fenders I live without and avoid deliberately commuting on rainy days, if I get caught I get wet, too bad - HTFU.

    6) I prefer flat bars for commuting, the only bike I have with drop bars is my carbon roadie and I mostly ride it on the hoods, everything else has flat bars.

    7) If you are running a rigid fork (like most commuters will) then look for some compliance in the frame. So I would go steel over aluminium.

    8) Go for a mounted rear rack so you don't need to carry a backpack. It makes the ride much more enjoyable.
    thanks! for somebody with an accent thats good advice.

    i just went to the shop at lunch and decided that anything more than a cyclocross/Salsa vaya type bike will really make no sense for this purchase so thats progress for me. I test rode a cool 2009 green Kona Jake the Snake and quickly realized that for what i am going to use it for such a bike type makes the most sense. Now whether or not drop bars are something i am going to like for the long haul, who know...but cuz i dont know i think i will look into the Salsa Vaya further and various Cross bikes. Not sure where the best source of used cross bikes is but i will figure that out i am sure

    the only downside i see to a cross bike is that at least one complete ahole owns one (i.e., rroeder) but i am willing to overlook that

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    Luckily the La Cruz is no longer available as I really like the bike and it would be sad if I had to sell it, couldn't stomach owning the same bike as FoDouchr

    If my La Cruz ever breaks tho I would try something original, like a Jones or Bystickel! With mtn drop bars, short chainstays, fat front, a size or two too small cause that's how I roll, and the sizing has to be in reach and stack ONLY! If the geo is listed in TT or ST length I ain't buying it!

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    I commute on a Vassago Fisticuff with 35c cross tires and dingle speed drivetrain. I live in illinois (flat) so I don't need the gears.

    I set it up with woodchiper bars, canti brakes, rear rack for panniers and it's a great commuter and gravel grinder.

    If Vassago hasn't offended you, you should consider the fisticuff. It's basisically a cross check with disc tabs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgtlbliss
    I commute on a Vassago Fisticuff with 35c cross tires and dingle speed drivetrain. I live in illinois (flat) so I don't need the gears.

    I set it up with woodchiper bars, canti brakes, rear rack for panniers and it's a great commuter and gravel grinder.

    If Vassago hasn't offended you, you should consider the fisticuff. It's basisically a cross check with disc tabs.
    cool, will czech it out. no they have not offended me but i am sure i have offended them. thx again

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    Geez, you're a ****er. This is the first thread that would have injected a measure of color to the lifeless commuting forum. The 29er forum is specifically for people not sure if they are tall enough to ride a 29er and how much bikesdirect does/does not suck. I almost decided to avoid giving you my amazing commuting advice, but I have twenty minutes before I can masturbate again and have nothing to do.

    Please don't be a ***** who doesn't ride in the rain. Get the Vaya, or a cross bike with good clearance.

    I'm riding on 35mm Schwalbe Smart Sams for commuting duty and I like them well because they are fast on the road and hook up well when you get into the dirt.

    Most importantly, buy used, cause when you puss out of commuting after a month, you won't take a huge financial hit.

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    $1500 is a lot of money for a commuter bike. buy an old Raleigh or Schwinn road bike and put 32s on it (or 1 1/4").
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    Quote Originally Posted by umarth
    Geez, you're a ****er. This is the first thread that would have injected a measure of color to the lifeless commuting forum. The 29er forum is specifically for people not sure if they are tall enough to ride a 29er and how much bikesdirect does/does not suck. I almost decided to avoid giving you my amazing commuting advice, but I have twenty minutes before I can masturbate again and have nothing to do.

    Please don't be a ***** who doesn't ride in the rain. Get the Vaya, or a cross bike with good clearance.

    I'm riding on 35mm Schwalbe Smart Sams for commuting duty and I like them well because they are fast on the road and hook up well when you get into the dirt.

    Most importantly, buy used, cause when you puss out of commuting after a month, you won't take a huge financial hit.
    The more I read your post, the more I like it. You pansy

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarth
    Geez, you're a ****er. This is the first thread that would have injected a measure of color to the lifeless commuting forum. The 29er forum is specifically for people not sure if they are tall enough to ride a 29er and how much bikesdirect does/does not suck. I almost decided to avoid giving you my amazing commuting advice, but I have twenty minutes before I can masturbate again and have nothing to do.

    Please don't be a ***** who doesn't ride in the rain. Get the Vaya, or a cross bike with good clearance.

    I'm riding on 35mm Schwalbe Smart Sams for commuting duty and I like them well because they are fast on the road and hook up well when you get into the dirt.

    Most importantly, buy used, cause when you puss out of commuting after a month, you won't take a huge financial hit.
    seriously great advice. thanks. as for buying a cheap used bike yes, i know thats the right thing to do though its also the logical thing to do therefore, i will most likely not follow that advice.

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    I commute 30mi a day on this, 5 days a week, rain or shine. I have the advantage of showers and all that at work, so getting wet and dirty doesn't bother me.



    32/18 gearing.

    12mi or so in on roads and paved trails
    usually about 17-20mi home, about 3-4mi paved paths, 5-10mi singletrack and the rest pavement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fryed_1
    I commute 30mi a day on this, 5 days a week, rain or shine. I have the advantage of showers and all that at work, so getting wet and dirty doesn't bother me.



    32/18 gearing.

    12mi or so in on roads and paved trails
    usually about 17-20mi home, about 3-4mi paved paths, 5-10mi singletrack and the rest pavement.
    cool deal...thats a lot of commuting! i am not brave enough to single my commute

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    Quote Originally Posted by fryed_1
    I commute 30mi a day on this, 5 days a week, rain or shine. I have the advantage of showers and all that at work, so getting wet and dirty doesn't bother me.



    32/18 gearing.

    12mi or so in on roads and paved trails
    usually about 17-20mi home, about 3-4mi paved paths, 5-10mi singletrack and the rest pavement.
    How new are those tires? They look to be in good shape for all that road riding. Might be worth it for you to check out a hybrid dirt/street tire. I ride lots of pavement, and would never go back to a full dirt tire.

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    I "commute" twice a year. But my work is 40 miles away...with no showering facilities. Last time, I was on my Surly Steamroller fixed gear. But it's usually done on my '86 Bianchi.

    Since you've got some fireroads, I'd also say a cross bike. Soma or Surly offerings would be my first choice. But I will say, 38's on the fixed gear going down a singletrack is pretty fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LandSpeed
    How new are those tires? They look to be in good shape for all that road riding. Might be worth it for you to check out a hybrid dirt/street tire. I ride lots of pavement, and would never go back to a full dirt tire.
    I've been riding them about a month and they're still in good shape.

    They roll surprisingly fast (michelin wild racers 2.1) on pavement and absolutely fly through damp dirt and hardpack and are actually very quiet. For an all-around everywhere tire, I will definitely invest in more. These look like they'll be good for about 6mo before I have to start rotating the rear. If I have to buy 2-3 a year ($30-35ea online) then I'm not complaining.

    Last year, I was running panaracer firexc pro on my 26" geared hardtail and I would be lucky to get 3mo out of a rear tire on it, not to mention they howl like crazy. I now have michelin sprints on my 26" for everyday use (tiny knobs/semi slicks in the center with large lugs on the outside) and they wear very well, roll superfast and do ok on hardpack, but the slightest bit of dampness on the trails and they just spin. I use Michelin wild grippers on it for offroad use.

    Truthfully since I finished the 29er SS I really don't take the 26" out on the road anymore and just use it when I'm going to be on the trails for more than 5 hours or so. Long-term riding on a rigid in these Virginia roots can work a number on your shoulders.

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    I just ordered this for all-purpose town/road/gravel riding:

    http://www.origin-8.com/?page_id=91&...set&cl1=FRAMES

    Just picked up the frame at my LBS today, so can't give a review yet, but it seems to fit alot of the criteria you're looking for and it was really cheap.
    Enjoy the ride!

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    Singular Peregrine.

    Run it with drops/flats/whatever. Rack mounts, fender mounts. Can go SS or geared, fat tyres or skinny...and it looks nicer than the others.

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    I just did this a couple of weeks ago as my trails are still waterlogged and I have not been able to ride them. A set of 2-inch creme fat franks on this very versatile scoot and we are off. It's still somewhat of an extravert with the color scheme but it's a fantastic bike that can be converted to just about whatever suits your fancy. It also has all the mounts for fenders, racks, water bottles, etc if you should need em.

    Van Dessel WTF Currently set up with an Alfine IGH. They offer an alfine build at just about the price point you are looking.



    although I gotta say 'kreaters' Surly Crosscheck set up did strike me as a perfect solution.
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    How about one of these:

    http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/....0/3924/36627/

    http://www.scott-sports.com/us_en/pr...0/55874/218048

    These both have a suggested retail of around $1100

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    So ok, i appreciate the input to date for sure. Now i have another question...

    I have found what appear to be pretty good deals on various cross bikes. However, the ones i like are not made around the ability to run racks so that i can carry my work crap on the bike and therein lies the question.

    Are there any racks that are made for bikes that are not configured to run racks by default? If not, i will have to hold out for a bike i like that can run a rear rack.

    thanks

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    Skewer mounts like Tubus or the four point mounting from Bruce Gordon. There are others, not at my computer right now so no links.

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    Nice ride Moozh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schultz29



    I also love that GT minus the ugly drop bars
    No offense, but a negative rise stem, high rise bars, and bar ends isn't exactly what I'd consider 'pretty'.

    I dig that lynskey (aside from the bars), hoping one of these days soon I'll get the parts in to build mine... has been sitting in a corner since the end of December.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Skewer mounts like Tubus or the four point mounting from Bruce Gordon. There are others, not at my computer right now so no links.
    thanks!! perfect feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiflow_21
    No offense, but a negative rise stem, high rise bars, and bar ends isn't exactly what I'd consider 'pretty'.

    I dig that lynskey (aside from the bars), hoping one of these days soon I'll get the parts in to build mine... has been sitting in a corner since the end of December.
    I know, the negative rise stem and high rise bars are heinous. However, the bar is an Easton carbon and I love it. Replacing it with a new low rise version is just too expensive and would be only for vanity reasons. At some point, I will but for now it's functional. As for the bar ends, Cane Creek bar ends and ODI grips are one of my favorite things

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    chain stay length?

    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    So ok, i appreciate the input to date for sure. Now i have another question...

    I have found what appear to be pretty good deals on various cross bikes. However, the ones i like are not made around the ability to run racks so that i can carry my work crap on the bike and therein lies the question.

    Are there any racks that are made for bikes that are not configured to run racks by default? If not, i will have to hold out for a bike i like that can run a rear rack.

    thanks
    Make sure the CX bikes have long enough chain stays for heel clearance with panniers. I had a friend set one up only to find his heels striking the panniers with every pedal stroke. duhh!!

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    long chainstays? BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Nice ride Moozh!
    Thank you sir, beside being perhaps too bright it really is a great bike.

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    If you really think you're going to be doing trails on your commute, maybe take a miss on the panniers, especially if you have a laptop. I don't like all the weight on the rear wheel when I'm offroad and I like to tell myself the laptop goes through less hell on my back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarth
    If you really think you're going to be doing trails on your commute, maybe take a miss on the panniers, especially if you have a laptop. I don't like all the weight on the rear wheel when I'm offroad and I like to tell myself the laptop goes through less hell on my back.
    thats a great point. the a$$hole rroeder pretty much just told me the same thing but his opinion means $hit to me but now that you say it i will take it into consideration. and yes, makes sense regardingt the laptop for sure. thanks!

    so at this point...i believe i DO want a bike with discs which narrows the list, but in a good way.

    thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarth
    If you really think you're going to be doing trails on your commute, maybe take a miss on the panniers, especially if you have a laptop. I don't like all the weight on the rear wheel when I'm offroad and I like to tell myself the laptop goes through less hell on my back.
    so, another total 29er forum type question - is there a best backpack that would carry a change of clothes, shoes, misc work papers and/or book, and laptop? and oh yeah, if possible room for a blow up doll too

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    so, another total 29er forum type question - is there a best backpack that would carry a change of clothes, shoes, misc work papers and/or book, and laptop? and oh yeah, if possible room for a blow up doll too

    I've been using one of these from Oakley.

    http://www.oakley.com/products/surf-backpack/92237-22W

    It has a separated padded compartment for laptops. 15.6" screen max I think though. And bottom compartment is good for wet/sweaty gear/shoes. The side pockets are pretty big and it even has a waterbottle side pouch area. Comes with a a ran fly too. Waist strap is removalable. Most oakley backpacks have a felt lined compartment for sunglasses too. I can cram full size towel, clothes, sandals, some singlesubject spiral notebooks and my laptop. Shoes would fit too but then that's about capacity. I've had mine about a year now and it's holding up good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pho'dUp
    I've been using one of these from Oakley.

    http://www.oakley.com/products/surf-backpack/92237-22W

    It has a separated padded compartment for laptops. 15.6" screen max I think though. And bottom compartment is good for wet/sweaty gear/shoes. The side pockets are pretty big and it even has a waterbottle side pouch area. Comes with a a ran fly too. Waist strap is removalable. Most oakley backpacks have a felt lined compartment for sunglasses too. I can cram full size towel, clothes, sandals, some singlesubject spiral notebooks and my laptop. Shoes would fit too but then that's about capacity. I've had mine about a year now and it's holding up good.
    thanks for the feedback

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    When i switched from a backpack to a pannier, my 16 mi commute was made way more comfortable by the reduction of back sweat.

    That said, when I used backpack, i just put my laptop in a padded sleeve and threw it in with the rest of my stuff. No need for special compartments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgtlbliss
    When i switched from a backpack to a pannier, my 16 mi commute was made way more comfortable by the reduction of back sweat.

    That said, when I used backpack, i just put my laptop in a padded sleeve and threw it in with the rest of my stuff. No need for special compartments.
    good counterpoint! its a work laptop so i guess i shouldnt worry as much

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    Hard to beat a Casseroll for your intended purposes. 'Bout $1200, longer rack friendly chainstays, no stupid high CX bb, good solid parts, and money within your budget for racks, bags, and other stuff you need. They look like crap in their website photos. They are much nicer looking in person. I'd go black bar tape and a black Brooks saddle personally.
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    Yup

    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...1&category=483

    Or, I still think the Fargo would be perfect with your wants to ride a little single-track on the way in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benwitt11
    Hard to beat a Casseroll for your intended purposes. 'Bout $1200, longer rack friendly chainstays, no stupid high CX bb, good solid parts, and money within your budget for racks, bags, and other stuff you need. They look like crap in their website photos. They are much nicer looking in person. I'd go black bar tape and a black Brooks saddle personally.
    thanks Ben. i will admit that you are right. however, i have a reputation and while it would be the logical choice, thats secondary. i need to ensure what i ride, be it on all road otherwise, has a certain magnitude of procoreness which this bike does not. this bike is far too mature and sophisticated for somebody like me. i need a bike that has analogous badassness to me, a bike that is crude enough to accessorize my skate lid with stickers...and the like

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    A Surly Big Dummy for a FoSurly Big Dummy. For when you want to haul the male. Or the Female, provided she's under 200 pounds.


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    "Are there any racks that are made for bikes that are not configured to run racks by default?"

    These guys make some cool racks

    http://www.oldmanmountain.com/Pages/...RearRacks.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    i need a bike that has analogous badassness to me, a bike that is crude enough to accessorize my skate lid with stickers...and the like
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5513264597/" title="Fo's helm by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5093/5513264597_89160304e4.jpg" width="376" height="500" alt="Fo's helm" /></a>

    Minds are mulling. Images are accruing. Designs are developing for the Fo-Mobile.

    No need to monkey around beyond this point.

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5513260859/" title="Fo-sez by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5094/5513260859_04bfbc6d6c.jpg" width="500" height="321" alt="Fo-sez" /></a>

    It's time for Fo to stop fiddling around.

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5513860892/" title="Fo-can-fiddle by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5254/5513860892_bddfd294eb.jpg" width="343" height="394" alt="Fo-can-fiddle" /></a>

    It's time for Fo to stop horsing around and pony up for a ride.

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5513862818/" title="Fo-can-ride by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5095/5513862818_a25121663b.jpg" width="400" height="300" alt="Fo-can-ride" /></a>

    No more dicking around.

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5513261011/" title="Fo-commutes by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5297/5513261011_1a9fafb8cd.jpg" width="500" height="289" alt="Fo-commutes" /></a>

    The price of gas is still going up, so stop forking around because a decision is long overdue.

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5513261055/" title="Fo-overkill-bicycle-chopper by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5131/5513261055_c1a50b30c9.jpg" width="500" height="426" alt="Fo-overkill-bicycle-chopper" /></a>

    What's it going to be? What will the Fo-Mobile choice end up as to handle the commute?

    Come on Fo, it's time to choose so we can snooze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown

    Minds are mulling. Images are accruing. Designs are developing for the Fo-Mobile.

    No need to monkey around beyond this point.



    It's time for Fo to stop fiddling around.



    It's time for Fo to stop horsing around and pony up for a ride.



    No more dicking around.



    The price of gas is still going up, so stop forking around because a decision is long overdue.



    What's it going to be? What will the Fo-Mobile choice end up as to handle the commute?

    Come on Fo, it's time to choose so we can snooze.
    that is a nice post bruce! i have made my decision actually...just need to wait one more week to order after i see how uncle same feels about things

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