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    best downcountry bike

    i'm looking at pulling the trigger on either the salsa spearfish or canyon neuron (aluminum models).
    Most of my rides will be light trail or gravel and possibly the true grit race next year..any suggestions.
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    Probably the Santa Cruz Tallboy. It's had that geo for the past three years and you can probably get a good deal on one.

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    just stop using the ridiculous "downcountry" marketing BS word.

    It's not a "new" category of bike. Just an invented word for something that's existed probably for decades.

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    Downcountry is of course an excellent term that puts a name to a type of bike that many people are interested in. Salsa use the term at the top of the page for the Spearfish.

    I can't tell you what components you like or what geo you like, and I can't compare the suspension of the bikes because the manufacturers don't publish it and linkagedesign.blogspot hasn't analyzed them.

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    So you want an XC bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    So you want an XC bike?
    This.

    But make it poorly suited for 60% of the ride by adding Minion DHFs and making it weigh 29lbs.




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    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/what-t...e-opinion.html

    BTW, Mike Levy casually dropped the term upcountry during a recent video while at the Taipei Bicycle Show😢.
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    Wait.

    There's already "Frontcountry","Backcountry", "Sidecountry" "Downcountry" and now "Upcountry". When are we getting just "Country"? With rhinestones and Merican flags maybe?

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    I’m ok with the term Downcountry. It’s an xc bike that can still rip downhill. The Giant Trance 29 and the Santa Cruz Tallboy both do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I’m ok with the term Downcountry. It’s an xc bike that can still rip downhill. The Giant Trance 29 and the Santa Cruz Tallboy both do that.
    It's a stupid term. Some magazine writer came up with it and now marketing morons are falling over themselves to make sure they label their bikes with it, even though lots of bikes have been xc-capable, but also rip downhill, for many years without the stupid label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I’m ok with the term Downcountry. It’s an xc bike that can still rip downhill. The Giant Trance 29 and the Santa Cruz Tallboy both do that.
    So basically, an XC bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    It's a stupid term. Some magazine writer came up with it and now marketing morons are falling over themselves to make sure they label their bikes with it, even though lots of bikes have been xc-capable, but also rip downhill, for many years without the stupid label.
    I hope one day in the future we see through this Injustice and can just answer OPs question about bikes. Until then, I think this is a great and worthwhile discussion.



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    OP, if most of your riding is gravel and light trail I'm not sure why you wouldn't go with a more xc oriented bike.

    I don't know much about the canyon, but check the max chain ring on both. Many bikes can only fit a 32, and you may find yourself spinning out a lot on non technical trail/road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    So basically, an XC bike?
    Neither the tallboy or Trance 29er are really XC bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Neither the tallboy or Trance 29er are really XC bikes.
    This is correct. They’re definitely “downcountry.” Wait....what were we talking abut it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Neither the tallboy or Trance 29er are really XC bikes.
    I think what you mean to say is that they are not XC race bikes. An XC bike goes up and down. The Tallboy and Trance 29er are most definitely XC bikes. Makes more sense to reserve the term "XC race" for just that...
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    Downcountry is to XC what enduro is to _________.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    i hope one day in the future we see through this injustice and can just answer ops question about bikes. Until then, i think this is a great and worthwhile discussion.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    It's a stupid term. Some magazine writer came up with it and now marketing morons are falling over themselves to make sure they label their bikes with it, even though lots of bikes have been xc-capable, but also rip downhill, for many years without the stupid label.
    Didn't realize we had a moron authority/police on board, but with 25000+ replies I guess you should know ?
    In the future you might/should google moron and American eugenics movement before you use that term.

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    ^^^Yikes. So theres xc race, trail and downhill. 3 is all I need. Or, 4" of travel, 5-6" of travel and more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noapathy View Post
    Downcountry is to XC what enduro is to _________.
    A: Trail

    Nailed it.

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    downcountry is a stupid term. back in the day we had XC bikes and DH bikes.

    Then we got All mountain bikes. Then trail bikes.

    Now we have
    XC bikes
    Downcountry bikes
    trail bikes
    all mountain bikes
    enduro bikes
    DH bikes

    Damn this is confusing.

    If a downcountry bike is an XC bike that can rip downhill than what is a trail bike? I thought trail was supposed to be mid travel? Little too heavy to race, but you could if you wanted to. Good for most places, but not for big air and super gnar.

    I am just going to start calling my Epic an All mountain bike since I ride it all over the Mtn. And my 5010 and Enduro Bike since I once did an enduro on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    I think what you mean to say is that they are not XC race bikes. An XC bike goes up and down.
    So my Endorphin is an XC bike, as is your RFX?

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    Hell yes, or is it Trailcountry or Downcross?
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    Bike categories as I see it, in no particular order:

    Road, mtb, snow, bmx, city/hybrid, trailer/hauler, craigslist/garage, BSOs, cabin/barn, vintage/retro, collection.

    Then the terrain varies, so the possible permutations are ridiculous. How many words are there that describe snow? desert? forest? grasslands?

    All those to some multiplicative factorial exponent and bang a new age Shakespeare coins a term that could be hot for a second. Hey, I get it... it's 650b by the way and I'm serious. I will admit I like beefier XC and don't care what they call it for a hot minute.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    downcountry is a stupid term.
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    Yeah, it's a stupid term. Lets' just call it what it is: a bit more than most XC bikes as far as travel and geometry, but a bit less than heavier, burlier "trail" bikes. Yeah, that's a better way to describe. I just don't get why people get so uptight about a better way to describe a bike. And yes, there's some overlap, BFD.
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    Yeah but ....

    The term is non sensical, sorta like asking for toilet paper that is soft enough for a baby’s butt and strong enough to not stick to you butt.

    Instead of a label, which defines nothing that we can agree to, why not just describe what you want in a bike, details about what you ride now and in the past, and describe the kind of riding you do.

    What’s really silly is all this ^^^ is exactly what posters will ask for and receive somewhere around page three 🙄

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    I hope one day in the future we see through this Injustice and can just answer OPs question about bikes. Until then, I think this is a great and worthwhile discussion.



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    I think one of the reasons that most of us see this as stupid is because we have come to the realization that something with around 120mm of travel, + or - a bit, but at least 120 up front, works well for most riders. This has been squarely the "trail bike" segment, for years, but most riders want a bit more cush and strength than a pure XC race bike and they don't want a lumbering spongy enduro mess that is horrible to ride on anything but straight down stuff. So the trail bike IS the XC bike, that's what most of us think of as an "XC bike". The "downcountry" is the exact same thing, or in a few cases just slightly less rear travel, but some bikes have more travel and some have less, that doesn't move them way out of the category unless it's a radical change. + or -20mm isn't a radical change in my book, it's well within where a much better leverage curve and shock could make the bike with less travel ride better than the one with more travel. At some point, splitting hairs too far makes no sense, because there's literally no end to the madness, you can then assign categories by 5mm of travel. Is my 429 SL a "downcountry" bike when I put the longer-travel fork on it that I use for marathon and more general riding? Then does it become an "XC" bike again when I put the short travel fork on it with the lighter wheels? I just call it an "XC bike". Modern geometry, dropper posts, efficient designs, good suspension, makes these shorter travel bikes work very well, without having to call them "downcountry" IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    Bike categories as I see it, in no particular order:

    Road, mtb, snow, bmx, city/hybrid, trailer/hauler, craigslist/garage, BSOs, cabin/barn, vintage/retro, collection.

    Then the terrain varies, so the possible permutations are ridiculous. How many words are there that describe snow? desert? forest? grasslands?

    All those to some multiplicative factorial exponent and bang a new age Shakespeare coins a term that could be hot for a second. Hey, I get it... it's 650b by the way and I'm serious. I will admit I like beefier XC and don't care what they call it for a hot minute.
    reminds me of those rock band name generators....

    now we have bike style generators:

    take a name from list A: Road, mtb, snow, bmx, city/hybrid, trailer/hauler, craigslist/garage, BSOs, cabin/barn, vintage/retro, collection

    then one from list B: snow, desert, forest, grasslands,

    and a riding style from list C: downhill; XC; free style; dirt jump; park; enduro; bike packing; gravel; flat land;

    randomly generate and viola!!! new marketable bike world!!!

    I thought downcountry was more of a regional description...like from Britain or Australia, of single track riding...
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    Yup, silly labels, not just problem in mountain biking, seems to be a ‘merican obsession.

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    Fir the OP, cuz you really had no idea the can o’ shite you were opening up:

    5010
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    Every mfg has one, geo varies widely depending on which way you lean and how much you want to spend.

    Not one of these bikes sucks.

    Best bang for the buck: Signal Peak
    Best for trail ripping: Trail Pistol
    Best ride quality: Ripley LT or 429 Trail
    Best all around: hmmmm, 5010 or any of the above
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    I'd have checked in here sooner but I was busy adjusting the kinematics on my slopeduro "whip".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Hell yes, or is it Trailcountry or Downcross?
    Crossduro I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post

    Fir the OP, cuz you really had no idea the can o’ shite you were opening up:

    5010
    Signal Peak
    Trail Pistol
    Ripley
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    Every mfg has one, geo varies widely depending on which way you lean and how much you want to spend.

    Not one of these bikes sucks.

    Best bang for the buck: Signal Peak
    Best for trail ripping: Trail Pistol
    Best ride quality: Ripley LT or 429 Trail
    Best all around: hmmmm, 5010 or any of the above
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    So are ebikes slackcountry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    downcountry is a stupid term. back in the day we had XC bikes and DH bikes.

    Then we got All mountain bikes. Then trail bikes.

    Now we have
    XC bikes
    Downcountry bikes
    trail bikes
    all mountain bikes
    enduro bikes
    DH bikes

    Damn this is confusing.

    If a downcountry bike is an XC bike that can rip downhill than what is a trail bike? I thought trail was supposed to be mid travel? Little too heavy to race, but you could if you wanted to. Good for most places, but not for big air and super gnar.

    I am just going to start calling my Epic an All mountain bike since I ride it all over the Mtn. And my 5010 and Enduro Bike since I once did an enduro on it.
    You forgot

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    To address the OP, if you are just light trail and gravel why are you looking at "downcountry" bikes? Wouldn't a gravel or XC hardtail make more sense...
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    Is my old-ish memory getting foggy, or did we used to have simply XC and XCM bikes?

    "M" for marathon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epicrides234 View Post
    Most of my rides will be light trail or gravel and possibly the true grit race next year..any suggestions.
    thanks.
    Based on what you are using it for I think Downcountry would be too much bike. You should look at Down Gravel bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Crossduro I think.
    Is that riding enduro events on a cyclocross bike?
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    hmm I think the OP moved to Downcountry, you guys scared the crap of him/her.
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    Down country, so basically riding flat ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Train Wreck View Post
    Down country, so basically riding flat ground?
    Yes, but down
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    which country?


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    I dig the slopestyle biking, and slopeduro sounds intriguing.


    I lean more towards slopstyle.

    plus everything Nurse Ben said.
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    "An XC bike that rips on the downhill"? I thought that was a called "a good rider".

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    Where did he get the downcountry term from tho? I get what kind of bike it's supposed to be, smells like a trail bike to me, but what the hell does that term even mean?

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    It's all explained in the link I provided. Anyone who takes the time to read it will get the joke. Others will just get upset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I'd have checked in here sooner but I was busy adjusting the kinematics on my slopeduro "whip".
    Is that the plus or super boost version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I'd have checked in here sooner but I was busy adjusting the kinematics on my slopeduro "whip".
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    Quote Originally Posted by dir-T View Post
    "An XC bike that rips on the downhill"? I thought that was a called "a good rider".
    No waay dude, its all about the equipment!. I read, on the internutz, that fatter tires and full suspension make the trail easier.

    Some posters said it made mountain biking so boring that they had to flatten their tires and take off their seat just to bring back the thrills.

    I'm worried, my tires are kinda fat ... and damn, no seat, wow, that is like so core!!
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    Down country bikes are what used to be called marathon XC bikes.

    Put a 120 fox 34 on almost any XC bike with a sub 70 degree head tube and add a carbon dropper and go party.

    People who have been doing this for years:
    Rocky Mountain, pivot, (old trek Fuel)

    Epic Evo
    Blue TR
    Sb100 (little heavy)
    Etc etc.


    All of these bikes are not quite what the old “trail” bikes were and come in a couple pounds lighter. Geometry probably Makes them a little better than an old 120/120 “trail bike.”

    Stupid name though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FJSnoozer View Post
    Down country bikes are what used to be called marathon XC bikes.
    Where did you learn this history trivia?

    Put a 120 fox 34 on almost any XC bike with a sub 70 degree head tube and add a carbon dropper and go party.
    So it's not downcountry if it's not a carbon dropper?

    This clears things up a little.
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    I’m ok with the term Downcountry. It’s an xc bike that can still rip downhill. The Giant Trance 29 and the Santa Cruz Tallboy both do that.
    No, those are Fing Trail Bikes and I would race enduro on them.
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    Where did you learn this history trivia?



    So it's not downcountry if it's not a carbon dropper?

    This clears things up a little.
    Facts.


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    Facts.
    Good to know, there's a lack of that lately, so many opinions.
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    Good to know, there's a lack of that lately, so many opinions.
    “Marathon”

    Previous marketing term for the same thing.

    Source: 2008?-2016

    The other was a recommendation “add a 34 and carbon dropper to your XC bike and go party. “

    Source: Me and many who came before me.

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    Eh, I call my Hei Hei "modern XC" or my "endurance racing bike", which it's both. With pretty short chainstays for an XC bike, 430mm, and a 68 degree HTA it's fast but also fun.

    It also happens to be the right tool for the job for a guy that's 215lbs geared up. No interest in a 100mm Fox 32 SC, I assure you the 34 is not slowing me down, and way more fun and confidence inspiring when I'm riding for fun, which is 95% of the time.
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    Yeah, it's a stupid term. Lets' just call it what it is: a bit more than most XC bikes as far as travel and geometry, but a bit less than heavier, burlier "trail" bikes. Yeah, that's a better way to describe. I just don't get why people get so uptight about a better way to describe a bike. And yes, there's some overlap, BFD.
    why would you want a bit more travel and geometry if you're just riding gravel and light trails? and why the hell do you need rear suspension for gravel roads?

    i'm confused...

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    “Marathon”

    Previous marketing term for the same thing.

    Source: 2008?-2016

    The other was a recommendation “add a 34 and carbon dropper to your XC bike and go party. “

    Source: Me and many who came before me.

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    I think the original question was "what is the best INSERT MARKETING TERM bike"?

    The answer to that is there is no such thing as a "best bike". There are trade offs to be made that will determine if a specific bike is what you really want, but there are lots of great bikes available.

    Regarding the Downcountry vs XC, it is marketing get over it. Manufacturers are here to sell you stuff. I know this is evil and bad and all marketing people should be sent to the lowest levels of he!!, but hey we have to have a balance in good and evil and everyone plays their part.

    Really though, the marketing teams are trying to convey that this is not some fragile XC whippet. These bikes share a lot of DNA with XC bikes, but they have non weight weenie parts like real tires you won't flat in your driveway and bars that weren't originally sold in 1989.

    XC bike sales are suffering in the age of Enduro, so if you are responsible for say the Epic line at Specialized how to you gain that market share back? You make concessions to how people's tastes have changed. The large majority of people no longer want a duplicate of their favorite XC racer's setup. Now they want to go deeper into rougher terrain. As a product management/marketing organization you have to be able to confer the intended use case as simply as possible, hence when said person on PB said "Downcountry" jokingly the bike companies jumped on it. Insert evil conspiracy by companies that are in the business of making a profit sitting around a table coming up with ridiculous terms just to piss off us dedicated, hard core riders that spend our company's time (which they are paying us for) to discuss the relative positives and negatives of said marketing term.

    Yes I did type this while on a conference call...

    BTW obviously this marketing is working because there are 90+ responses to this thread about Downcountry bikes. There is no such thing as negative press...

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    This is Mountain Biking, there can be no new standards, no new suspension fork designs, no new electronic shifting, no new carbon rim designs and especially no new new terms.

    This sport is not allowed to evolve because of course that is just marketing.

    New words or names are especially marketing. Everyone knows once you name something it can never evolve or change. That’s why all rock music (classic, southern, grunge, punk, prog, metal, glam, speed, acid, alternative, art, Britpop, emo, garage, goth, indie, psychedelic, new wave, stoner, shoegazer, surf and thrash) are perfectly summed up with the one phrase Rock and Roll.

    It is in no way the natural evolution of a sport fuelled by technological changes that enables increasingly niche ways to use a product that was once basic and mass.

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    This sport is not allowed to evolve because of course that is just marketing.

    You've got it the wrong way around. No one is complaining about the evolution of the sport. The problem people are pointing out here -- in increasingly rich ways -- is that marketing is trying to co-opt said evolution and rebrand it for the sake of itself. For the sake of selling more bikes, or parts, or whatever.

    The evolution of the sport isn't in question. At least not here in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    You've got it the wrong way around. No one is complaining about the evolution of the sport. The problem people are pointing out here -- in increasingly rich ways -- is that marketing is trying to co-opt said evolution and rebrand it for the sake of itself. For the sake of selling more bikes, or parts, or whatever.

    The evolution of the sport isn't in question. At least not here in this thread.
    It is not an accident of fate that you and everyone else is characterized as a consumer... The question is ?
    Who gets the last bite...?
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    Well played, sir!!!
    Yeah, but who deserves the green chiclet? Or are you talking to yourself?
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    I rode my Knolly Endorphin downcountry to the inlaws in Illinois on gravel paths, then upcountry on the way home. When I got to Wisconsin I did some crosscountry (east-west) on old railroad grade to some single track and went trail riding. On the twisty downs, it seemed quicker to make the bike ride like an enduro, so I just ignored the trail and blew corners to make them straight. On the way home, there was a stretch of road to get back to my house. I wasn't sure if the bike would classify as road, so I called my wife and she came to get me. Overall a good long ride, but pretty sure I broke some commandments in there. I'm sorry to anyone who saw me and wondered WTF is this guy doing riding that "type" of bike there. I'm not sure where I can ride anymore that is proper for this bike.

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    I rode my Knolly Endorphin downcountry...

    We can thusly shut down the internet for the rest of today, because you win...

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    When I was a kid, I used to walk upcountry to school AND back, in waist deep snow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    I think the original question was "what is the best INSERT MARKETING TERM bike"?

    The answer to that is there is no such thing as a "best bike". There are trade offs to be made that will determine if a specific bike is what you really want, but there are lots of great bikes available.

    Regarding the Downcountry vs XC, it is marketing get over it. Manufacturers are here to sell you stuff. I know this is evil and bad and all marketing people should be sent to the lowest levels of he!!, but hey we have to have a balance in good and evil and everyone plays their part.

    Really though, the marketing teams are trying to convey that this is not some fragile XC whippet. These bikes share a lot of DNA with XC bikes, but they have non weight weenie parts like real tires you won't flat in your driveway and bars that weren't originally sold in 1989.

    XC bike sales are suffering in the age of Enduro, so if you are responsible for say the Epic line at Specialized how to you gain that market share back? You make concessions to how people's tastes have changed. The large majority of people no longer want a duplicate of their favorite XC racer's setup. Now they want to go deeper into rougher terrain. As a product management/marketing organization you have to be able to confer the intended use case as simply as possible, hence when said person on PB said "Downcountry" jokingly the bike companies jumped on it. Insert evil conspiracy by companies that are in the business of making a profit sitting around a table coming up with ridiculous terms just to piss off us dedicated, hard core riders that spend our company's time (which they are paying us for) to discuss the relative positives and negatives of said marketing term.

    Yes I did type this while on a conference call...

    BTW obviously this marketing is working because there are 90+ responses to this thread about Downcountry bikes. There is no such thing as negative press...
    Or you could have just saved all those paragraphs and said: “trail bike”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UpTheAnte View Post
    It is not an accident of fate that you and everyone else is characterized as a consumer... The question is ?
    Who gets the last bite...?
    https://www.pinterest.com/5ksboomer/vintage-bike-ads/
    The irony of you posting a Pinterest link and complaining about marketing.

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    Or you could have just saved all those paragraphs and said: “trail bike”.
    How about just bike? Why differentiate between mountain bikes, road bikes, BMX bikes, or beach cruisers.

    Maybe we should just use the term vehicle? Cars, trucks, trains, bikes, etc are all just different forms of transportation.

    Wait just use transportation because we need to lump planes, helicopters, and rockets into this as well. They also transport people.

    It can go either way...

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    The irony of you posting a Pinterest link and complaining about marketing.

    If you don't pay for the product you are the product.
    The real irony is your name. You think you're the one doing the selling, but really you're the one being punked.
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    did you have to pay your teachers to beat you? We had to do that as well....
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    did you have to pay your teachers to beat you? We had to do that as well....
    You had MONEY?

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    not after a full winter and school year

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    Quote Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    not after a full winter and school year

    did get a full quarter for mowing my grandparents 2 acre lot...
    Your grandparents had a lawnmower????

    thats some old money there
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    First off, on these forums the launch of any new idea or term most often results in a select group of people bitching and moaning about literally every new innovation. All of these innovations appear to be:

    - just another way to make bikes more expensive
    - unneeded toys for dentists
    - more unneeded complexity
    - unsound engineering according to them (usually not an engineer)
    - some version of “marketing”


    Not sure how people think marketing actually works, but it is incredibly hard to make anyone remember or adopt anything. The idea that you can just shove stuff down people’s throats couldn’t be more wrong. Marketing only works (especially now) when it is adopted by your audience. Its about creating markets.

    Part of the evolution of the sport is the culture of the sport.

    Seems to me, what is obvious and not in any way marketing (its identity), is that there’s a group of riders that don’t feel the traditional term XC fits the type of riding they do, the type of bike they are riding and their identity of themselves. So they are creating terminology that they feel better explains them, their bikes and the riding they do.

    These new terms have happened and will continue to happen.People are looking for ways to encapsulate an idea or mindset. Some stick, some change, some go away. Culture, like tech evolves.

    When Mountain Biking stops getting new sub-cultures we should all start to worry because that is the sign of a sick industry. That’s why I brought up music. Most rock is musically similar, except we all know that culturally it is not.

    The reality is, new tech, new ideas, new words, new genres, new sub-groups is proof of a vibrant scene, not marketing.

    You know what will kill Mountain Biking, tradition and stagnation. As long as it is morphing and adopting new tech and culture, it will be have a future.

    If you recoil from the term Downcountry, don’t worry, its not likely describing you. You can just say XC, or MTBer, or that you ride bikes in the woods. Some people wont like the term and some people (like the OP) will adopt it. Time will tell if it sticks.



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    You've got it the wrong way around. No one is complaining about the evolution of the sport. The problem people are pointing out here -- in increasingly rich ways -- is that marketing is trying to co-opt said evolution and rebrand it for the sake of itself. For the sake of selling more bikes, or parts, or whatever.

    The evolution of the sport isn't in question. At least not here in this thread.

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    I for some reason read this thread now have to realy think about my singature ...dam you people I am smart guy but mind blown.

    As far as downcountry,... I have a downcountry bike and seriously looking to unload so If anyone wants to buy a Medium 2016 Niner Jet 9 RDO with Fox factory 34 120mm, XTR/XX1 combo, i9 trail24 wheels. Needs a new shock bushing and maybe rear wheel bearing let me know. Has its far share of been ridden hard marks, plenty of life left in it though
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    What is the difference between XC and XXC? One more X equals more gnar?

    What is the difference between Mtn and All-Mtn? Does All-Mtn include an uphill pedal rather than a lift?

    I have no idea what I'm doin' anymore. The terms I grew up with have been replaced!
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPenquinn View Post
    there’s a group of riders that don’t feel the traditional term XC fits the type of riding they do, the type of bike they are riding and their identity of themselves. So they are creating terminology that they feel better explains them, their bikes and the riding they do.
    Do we need to create a safe space for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HEMIjer View Post
    I for some reason read this thread now have to realy think about my singature ...dam you people I am smart guy but mind blown.

    As far as downcountry,... I have a downcountry bike and seriously looking to unload so If anyone wants to buy a Medium 2016 Niner Jet 9 RDO with Fox factory 34 120mm, XTR/XX1 combo, i9 trail24 wheels. Needs a new shock bushing and maybe rear wheel bearing let me know. Has its far share of been ridden hard marks, plenty of life left in it though
    Thats a 2016 bike, Downcountry was first invented in 2019, so its not an DC bike dude, shame really wouldve been worth a mint if it was DC
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    1. The answer to the OP's question is check out the new Ibis Ripley.

    2. Sometimes we come up with new names that, at first, feel weird but then are generally accepted to allow us to quickly understand what people mean when describing a bike without spending 5 minutes talking about angles, geometry, etc. Examples include cross country, all mountain, enduro, freeride, etc. Abotu 1.5 or two years ago when I was looking for a new bike, I wanted a relatively ilghtweight bike that had 120 to 130 mm of rear travel, max 66 headtube angle for 27.5 or max of 67 for a 29er, short chainstays. There were very few (especially in 29er format) bikes that fit the bill. Short travel but slack 29ers from Evil or Transition were out due to being basically built for people that lack to jump excessively and, as a result, weighed a ton despite the short travel. So long story short. Downcountry is good shorthand to describe a relatively new crop of bikes that aren't long travel or designed for massive drops/jumps but can handle very steep rollers a lot easier than a bike with a 69 or 71 degree head angle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Do we need to create a safe space for them?
    They don’t need a safe space, they aren't the ones all bent out of shape.

    We didn’t need “safe spaces” for:

    - All mountain
    - Freeride
    - Gravity
    - Downhill
    - Enduro
    - Trail
    - Dirt jumper
    - Slopestyle
    - Bikepacking
    - Fatbike
    - Cross Country

    A Cross Country bike with geometry that makes it comfortable going Down Hill
    = Down County, simple enough to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPenquinn View Post
    They don’t need a safe space, they aren't the ones all bent out of shape.

    We didn’t need “safe spaces” for:

    - All mountain
    - Freeride
    - Gravity
    - Downhill
    - Enduro
    - Trail
    - Dirt jumper
    - Slopestyle
    - Bikepacking
    - Fatbike
    - Cross Country

    A Cross Country bike with geometry that makes it comfortable going Down Hill
    = Down County, simple enough to understand.

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    Dude! Those categories are totally out of order. Plus you left out Fat e-trikes.
    Rigid SS 29er
    SS 29+
    Fat Lefty
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    Full Sus 29er (Yuck)

    Stop asking how much it weighs and just go ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherwin24 View Post
    I rode my Knolly Endorphin downcountry to the inlaws in Illinois on gravel paths, then upcountry on the way home. When I got to Wisconsin I did some crosscountry (east-west) on old railroad grade to some single track and went trail riding. On the twisty downs, it seemed quicker to make the bike ride like an enduro, so I just ignored the trail and blew corners to make them straight. On the way home, there was a stretch of road to get back to my house. I wasn't sure if the bike would classify as road, so I called my wife and she came to get me. Overall a good long ride, but pretty sure I broke some commandments in there. I'm sorry to anyone who saw me and wondered WTF is this guy doing riding that "type" of bike there. I'm not sure where I can ride anymore that is proper for this bike.
    I feel ya (as is said by some).
    Imagine my confusion, riding my
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    In Moab the next. Has this ever been done before??

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    Quote Originally Posted by downcountry View Post
    In Moab the next. Has this ever been done before??



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    Quote Originally Posted by life behind bars View Post
    Yes, but the offender was jailed and fined.
    was it a jail or a prison? Or a detention center? Or a rehabilitation center? Or a brig? Or hold? oooh, or a stockade....
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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    why would you want a bit more travel and geometry if you're just riding gravel and light trails? and why the hell do you need rear suspension for gravel roads?

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    The goalposts on “downcountry” are already shifting.

    For a while, the bike that sprang to mind was the SB100.

    A hybrid short travel “trail” bike that could also be used in an XC race with minimum modifications. New tires and away you go.

    Now, it’s morphing into the 140/120 realm. I’m sure I’ll see “downcountry” bikes with Fox 36s and coils soon enough.


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    I really hate labels, trying to group bikes is only getting tougher, best bet is classify them by rear travel, then let folks decide what they need.

    Any bike can be over or under forked. Add an angleset and make you bike more stable at speed. Get fatter tires and ride like a monster truck.

    Mainly, I get tired of people asking for opinions on which bike, as if all that information ain’t already out there ... just bored in the cubicle, sitting at a computer, and not enough impulse control.
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    Basically down country is to trail, what custodian is to janitor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I really hate labels, trying to group bikes is only getting tougher, best bet is classify them by rear travel, then let folks decide what they need.

    Any bike can be over or under forked. Add an angleset and make you bike more stable at speed. Get fatter tires and ride like a monster truck.

    Mainly, I get tired of people asking for opinions on which bike, as if all that information ain’t already out there ... just bored in the cubicle, sitting at a computer, and not enough impulse control.
    If you're tired of people asking about bikes, you may want to look into other forums

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Mainly, I get tired of people asking for opinions on which bike, as if all that information ain’t already out there ... just bored in the cubicle, sitting at a computer, and not enough impulse control.
    Can you explain? Not trying to be obtuse, but most of us can't demo every bike available and MTBR and other sites provide a large community that can help understand where a bike fits in.

    For example, I've demo'd a Yeti 4.5 and liked it a lot (but reach was short) and it gave me a baseline for a bike I might purchase. Reading DGW's commentary/review of an SB100 and Spot Mayhem gave me some insight into not only what those bikes are like, but how they might compare to the 4.5. I don't have an opportunity to demo a Mayhem and the nearest Yeti dealer (with any bikes) is >2hrs away.

    I also demo'd and liked Pivot's FB29. Streetdoctor's (regardless of what you think of him) (Scott) and SunsPSD (Mondraker) reviews give insight into whether I might like those...despite not having the opportunity to demo either of those.

    I've even asked you a question or two (I think on GG and Niner). While I can wrangle a Niner demo easy enough, I'll likely never have the opportunity to demo a GG.

    I'm glad when people ask about these bikes (especially comparos) b/c they might have a question I wouldn't think to ask AND I'm certainly not going to rely solely on paid industry or publications for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    The goalposts on “downcountry” are already shifting.

    For a while, the bike that sprang to mind was the SB100.

    A hybrid short travel “trail” bike that could also be used in an XC race with minimum modifications. New tires and away you go.

    Now, it’s morphing into the 140/120 realm. I’m sure I’ll see “downcountry” bikes with Fox 36s and coils soon enough.
    That's because there was a request for more "down" in the category. It shall hitherto be referred to as DOWNcountry. (hopefully they both die very soon because it's a really stupid name)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Now, it’s morphing into the 140/120 realm. I’m sure I’ll see “downcountry” bikes with Fox 36s and coils soon enough.


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    Haven't people been trying that already? I'm pretty sure it'll be happening with the Ripley V4 soon enough...if not already. At that point...why not just get a Ripmo...instead of neutering the Ripley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Train Wreck View Post
    Basically down country is to trail, what custodian is to janitor?
    I like trail janitor - "I clean every trail!"

    Sounds better than down country custodian too

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    Damn, some of you guys get all bent out of shape over the dumbest sh!t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    The goalposts on “downcountry” are already shifting.
    If the frame isn't something you'd normally see on the starting line of an XC race it ain't Downcountry regardless of what the marketing department says.

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    Damn, some of you guys get all bent out of shape over the dumbest sh!t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Damn, some of you guys get all bent out of shape over the dumbest sh!t.
    lol, yup agree with the above.

    in my mind (and just my perception), xc generally represents light bikes with maximized pedaling efficiency and geometry. down country bikes sacrifice a slight weight hit for for knobbier tires and maybe 10mm worth of susp travel weight and slacker, more downhill friendly geometry. to me, that is a clear difference and there really wasn't a name for these class of bikes prior to the "gimmicky" (as some would call it) name came about. thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superflydrew View Post
    lol, yup agree with the above.

    in my mind (and just my perception), xc generally represents light bikes with maximized pedaling efficiency and geometry. down country bikes sacrifice a slight weight hit for for knobbier tires and maybe 10mm worth of susp travel weight and slacker, more downhill friendly geometry. to me, that is a clear difference and there really wasn't a name for these class of bikes prior to the "gimmicky" (as some would call it) name came about. thoughts?
    "Cross" country means just that though, up AND down, and for many of us, that means anything from a rigid bike to 170mm travel AM bike, because we all have varying amounts of "extremeness" to our terrain, making something within this range the appropriate "cross country" bike. When you start going to smaller and smaller categories, at some point, it starts to be ridiculous. I think for most of us, the "downcountry" category becomes just this. It's no different than the XC bikes that have been sold for years and years, except it was "XC race" and "XC" or "trail". Now with a much smaller "category", it just adds more confusion unless you are some super-experienced rider that knows these 12-15 categories of bikes. Confusion the sport doesn't need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    I think what you mean to say is that they are not XC race bikes. An XC bike goes up and down. The Tallboy and Trance 29er are most definitely XC bikes. Makes more sense to reserve the term "XC race" for just that...
    If those are xc then what is trail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    "Cross" country means just that though, up AND down, and for many of us, that means anything from a rigid bike to 170mm travel AM bike, because we all have varying amounts of "extremeness" to our terrain, making something within this range the appropriate "cross country" bike. When you start going to smaller and smaller categories, at some point, it starts to be ridiculous. I think for most of us, the "downcountry" category becomes just this. It's no different than the XC bikes that have been sold for years and years, except it was "XC race" and "XC" or "trail". Now with a much smaller "category", it just adds more confusion unless you are some super-experienced rider that knows these 12-15 categories of bikes. Confusion the sport doesn't need.
    No the problem is "trail" bikes have become 30lb+ mini Enduro bikes.
    Down country turns: 66-67 degree headangle 470mm reach 115-130mm travel 335mm bb into 2 words.

    Otherwise you have to explain it every time.

    Also imo anything over 27.5lbs is not down country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superflydrew View Post
    lol, yup agree with the above.

    in my mind (and just my perception), xc generally represents light bikes with maximized pedaling efficiency and geometry. down country bikes sacrifice a slight weight hit for for knobbier tires and maybe 10mm worth of susp travel weight and slacker, more downhill friendly geometry. to me, that is a clear difference and there really wasn't a name for these class of bikes prior to the "gimmicky" (as some would call it) name came about. thoughts?
    You get it.

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    If the frame isn't something you'd normally see on the starting line of an XC race it ain't Downcountry regardless of what the marketing department says.
    I like a weight limit better.

    Xc 18-23lbs

    Downcountry 23-28lbs

    Trail 28-32lbs anything over is Enduro downhill.

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    ^^^Yikes. So theres xc race, trail and downhill. 3 is all I need. Or, 4" of travel, 5-6" of travel and more than that.
    Well "Trail" now means a pig that can't climb, maneuver, jump, play and is sluggish on switchbacks and everyday trails pretty much. Time to bring the "trail" back into the Trail bikes. The 120mm-130mm range that pedals fast uphill and out of turns, lets you ride all day, handles 90% of the trails out there and still be fun is what its supposed to be. If you want an enduro bike that does all the work for you, then have at it, but its time to start to stop calling them trail bikes. But if they won't do that, I'm fine if people want to distinguish them from the wannabe enduro bikes with Downcountry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Van Deventer View Post
    I like a weight limit better.

    Xc 18-23lbs

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    Trail 28-32lbs anything over is Enduro downhill.
    This is the dumbest thing I've read around here in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    This is the dumbest thing I've read around here in a while.
    You didn't know all those Walmart bikes are Enduro downhill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reb4 View Post
    Well "Trail" now means a pig that can't climb, maneuver, jump, play and is sluggish on switchbacks and everyday trails pretty much. Time to bring the "trail" back into the Trail bikes. The 120mm-130mm range that pedals fast uphill and out of turns, lets you ride all day, handles 90% of the trails out there and still be fun is what its supposed to be. If you want an enduro bike that does all the work for you, then have at it, but its time to start to stop calling them trail bikes. But if they won't do that, I'm fine if people want to distinguish them from the wannabe enduro bikes with Downcountry.
    Within 3 years, people went from racing and winning on 130 bikes to saying “OMG how do you race on that short travel 29er?” As stand over their 170 forked rigs.




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    This is the dumbest things I've read around here in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Van Deventer View Post
    I like a weight limit better.

    Xc 18-23lbs

    Downcountry 23-28lbs

    Trail 28-32lbs anything over is Enduro downhill.
    Sorry to inform you, but Downcountry has just been renamed to All-Country. Then again I will take my 27# 120mm Trail bike all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reb4 View Post
    Well "Trail" now means a pig that can't climb, maneuver, jump, play and is sluggish on switchbacks and everyday trails pretty much. Time to bring the "trail" back into the Trail bikes. The 120mm-130mm range that pedals fast uphill and out of turns, lets you ride all day, handles 90% of the trails out there and still be fun is what its supposed to be. If you want an enduro bike that does all the work for you, then have at it, but its time to start to stop calling them trail bikes. But if they won't do that, I'm fine if people want to distinguish them from the wannabe enduro bikes with Downcountry.


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    You really don't know what you're talking about.

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    Based on riding trails 10-20 hours a week around the country, I would say he knows exactly what he is talking about. Overbiked bros. Riding bikes that don't actually do anything the more effort you put in.

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    Based on riding trails 10-20 hours a week around the country, I would say he knows exactly what he is talking about. Overbiked bros. Riding bikes that don't actually do anything the more effort you put in.
    Lol, 10-20 hrs a week, oh my gosh, wow! All over the country?! I'm not a fan of being overbiked either, but there's a lot of gray area between a 120mm "downcountry" bike and a 160/170 Enduro/park bike. And if you're gonna just label all those bikes as a "wannabe enduro" "pig that can't climb, maneuver, jump, play and is sluggish on switchbacks", then yeah sorry, but you sound like you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Or your trails and/or riding style is just lame. If you think a mid travel bike "does all the work for you", then maybe an xc bike is the best tool for your trails or riding style, and that's ok. But some people ride trails and ride in ways where being on a 140/150 (or bigger for that matter) bike doesn't necessarily mean being overbiked. You can make that same silly argument for anything, and all it does is make you sound like you've got a chip on your shoulder, and you're trying to stroke your own ego. You can ride "90% of trails" on a rigid singlespeed too, and then look down on anyone with a 120mm geared bike that does all the work for them, but nobody gives a shit, you just sound like a tool. And before you even go there, I ride singlespeeds and xc bikes in addition to my 135/150 wannabe Enduro bro bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT87 View Post
    Lol, 10-20 hrs a week, oh my gosh, wow! All over the country?! I'm not a fan of being overbiked either, but there's a lot of gray area between a 120mm "downcountry" bike and a 160/170 Enduro/park bike. And if you're gonna just label all those bikes as a "wannabe enduro" "pig that can't climb, maneuver, jump, play and is sluggish on switchbacks", then yeah sorry, but you sound like you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Or your trails and/or riding style is just lame. If you think a mid travel bike "does all the work for you", then maybe an xc bike is the best tool for your trails or riding style, and that's ok. But some people ride trails and ride in ways where being on a 140/150 (or bigger for that matter) bike doesn't necessarily mean being overbiked. You can make that same silly argument for anything, and all it does is make you sound like you've got a chip on your shoulder, and you're trying to stroke your own ego. You can ride "90% of trails" on a rigid singlespeed too, and then look down on anyone with a 120mm geared bike that does all the work for them, but nobody gives a shit, you just sound like a tool. And before you even go there, I ride singlespeeds and xc bikes in addition to my 135/150 wannabe Enduro bro bike.

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    The grey/gray area is the issue! It's basically anything from 120 to 170 is being called a trail bike. He's saying they aren't actually trail bikes because in trails you need to actually make your bike work for you, not just hold on. Those fat pig bikes they are calling trail bikes at 140 are not actually "trail riding on public trails" bikes anymore. They are useless fat overforked and weighted overpriced piles of waste of time bikes. Some times less is more. And in this case it definitely is. I've ridden different bikes in different terrain. I'm not the usual person who posts on here based on 20 years of riding the same trail all the time on the same bike. I go through bikes like underwear and travel the country riding. I see what people are buying, I go into shops and see what they are trying to sell you(ebikes), I see what works on the trail when I ride with different people. I just bought a Transition Spur, they are calling it all country. It's a damn bike. Ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaneDetroitCity View Post
    The grey/gray area is the issue! It's basically anything from 120 to 170 is being called a trail bike. He's saying they aren't actually trail bikes because in trails you need to actually make your bike work for you, not just hold on. Those fat pig bikes they are calling trail bikes at 140 are not actually "trail riding on public trails" bikes anymore. They are useless fat overforked and weighted overpriced piles of waste of time bikes. Some times less is more. And in this case it definitely is. I've ridden different bikes in different terrain. I'm not the usual person who posts on here based on 20 years of riding the same trail all the time on the same bike. I go through bikes like underwear and travel the country riding. I see what people are buying, I go into shops and see what they are trying to sell you(ebikes), I see what works on the trail when I ride with different people. I just bought a Transition Spur, they are calling it all country. It's a damn bike. Ride it.
    Yeah, you're full of shit, but I do see why transitions marketing works so well on you. What kind of lame ass rider are you if being on a 140 bike means you just hold on? The spur looks like a badass bike. Sometimes less is more, but not always. You could make the same argument for shorter/steeper geometry, and it would sound equally as dumb. Here it goes... anyone who needs a trail bike like the spur with a 66* ha is just along for the ride and doesn't know how to really work the trail to get the most out of it like us true trailbikers on 69.5* headangles. Buncha Enduro wannabes. See how dumb that sounds?

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    See, that's what I'm talking about. This is the problem. These days all the bros are trying to piss up past there shoulders, but what's really cool is pissing on the wall up to chest height without using your hands. I spend 10-20 hours a week pissing on walls all over the country so I'm an authority on the matter.

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    This thread became Dumb Country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GT87 View Post
    Yeah, you're full of shit, but I do see why transitions marketing works so well on you. What kind of lame ass rider are you if being on a 140 bike means you just hold on? The spur looks like a badass bike. Sometimes less is more, but not always. You could make the same argument for shorter/steeper geometry, and it would sound equally as dumb. Here it goes... anyone who needs a trail bike like the spur with a 66* ha is just along for the ride and doesn't know how to really work the trail to get the most out of it like us true trailbikers on 69.5* headangles. Buncha Enduro wannabes. See how dumb that sounds?

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    Are you saying that 66 degrees is 'steep'?

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    This thread became Dumb Country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    Are you saying that 66 degrees is 'steep'?
    Yeah, so steep. You'll never piss in your own ear at that angle

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    Was a serious question.

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    Was a serious answer. Do YOU think 66 is steep?

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    IMO, a "downcountry" bike means 29er with 100-120mm, in-line coil shock rear shock, 120-130 front travel (140 too much and will affect climbing without providing any real benefit, turning it into something other than what I consider this genre)-but either with something like Grip 2 or an Avalanche cartridge, none of this bullcrap FIT or Charger stuff. At least 180 brake up front, like 180 shimano 4-pots or 200mm singles, 2.5-2.3 front tire, 2.3 rear tire. 780-820mm handlebar for sure. Dropper goes without saying. Whatever pedals you like. Slack-ish geometry around 66-67, ST doesn't need to be overly steep with this little amount of travel, as long as it's not a saggy/soggy horst-link. 32t ring with 10-42 cassette, since the bike will be staying pretty light.

    Priorities should be on quality of travel, not quantity. Control with tires and brakes. Relaxed geometry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GT87 View Post
    Was a serious answer. Do YOU think 66 is steep?

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    What I think isn't the question. You were being asked what your thoughts on 66 degrees was, based on the hypothetical snark you typed up to talk smack at LDC. Based on that hypothetical, it seemed you were saying that 66 was steep, so that made me curious as to whether you thought it was steep or not.

    But frankly, at this point I feel I'm trying to have a conversation with an entitled child, and I actually don't give a steamy what you think, or ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    IMO, a "downcountry" bike means 29er with 100-120mm, in-line coil shock rear shock, 120-130 front travel (140 too much and will affect climbing without providing any real benefit, turning it into something other than what I consider this genre)-but either with something like Grip 2 or an Avalanche cartridge, none of this bullcrap FIT or Charger stuff. At least 180 brake up front, like 180 shimano 4-pots or 200mm singles, 2.5-2.3 front tire, 2.3 rear tire. 780-820mm handlebar for sure. Dropper goes without saying. Whatever pedals you like. Slack-ish geometry around 66-67, ST doesn't need to be overly steep with this little amount of travel, as long as it's not a saggy/soggy horst-link. 32t ring with 10-42 cassette, since the bike will be staying pretty light.

    Priorities should be on quality of travel, not quantity. Control with tires and brakes. Relaxed geometry.
    What kind of rake? 44/51?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    What I think isn't the question. You were being asked what your thoughts on 66 degrees was, based on the hypothetical snark you typed up to talk smack at LDC. Based on that hypothetical, it seemed you were saying that 66 was steep, so that made me curious as to whether you thought it was steep or not.

    But frankly, at this point I feel I'm trying to have a conversation with an entitled child, and I actually don't give a steamy what you think, or ride.
    Not sure how you gathered that I thought 66 was steep. It's fairly middle of the road at this point, and on the slacker end of things for a "downcountry" bike. I've got "trail-bikes" with headangles that range from 64.8 to 71, if that gives you a better idea of where I stand. They all work well for their intended purposes, but obviously the old hardtail is dated... still works well enough as a fast mixed-terrain/"gravel"/xc adventure bike.

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