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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    The bike im buying is a white/green haze called marlite. It kinda looks white, maybe im just color blind.
    Which bike are you getting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    Which bike are you getting?
    Doesn't sound like the Luddite.

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    Yeah thats it, Mojito. I ordered the Luddite. On my computer, the pictures I have seen resemble more of a white bike than mint/green. That doesnt bother me, it actually seems like a pretty unique color. Maybe I'll get green pedals haha. My order finally shipped last night, and I should have it Friday. Once I get it assembled, I will take several pictures.

    Do any of you guys have any recent photos you could share?

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    There are quite a few already posted in this thread

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    Yeah I saw them. I was just wondering if there were any "Recent" photos just for fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Do any of you guys have any recent photos you could share?
    Ask and ye shall receive. About to go ride now but here are a few shots of mine in its current configuration. The changes are:

    Titec carbon flat tracker bar.
    Forte carbon seat post.

    Some cheapo specialized grips (waiting on some esi chunkies and didn't want to put the stock lock ons back on since my new grips won't be lock ons)

    Forte carbon water bottle holder (except for the stem spacers and dropouts nothing else on the bike is aluminum,why should the water bottle holder be?)

    Shimano DX peddles (heavy as hell but I needed a dual platform peddle because I justified the bike to my wife by telling her I needed it for family neighborhood bike rides.)

    KMC X8.99 chain
    Chris King 18 tooth cog

    DT Swiss 450sl wheels with a 240s single speed hub and 36 poe upgrade and RWS thru bolts off my stumpjumper (they are only about 400 grams lighter than the stock wheels. I found some Sun Ringle Black Flag Experts for $300 which weigh about the same as the 450sl wheels. I am going to see if this is enough weight loss or if I need to spend a little extra on some Stan's Arch ex wheels.)

    2.2 s-works purgatory front. 2.0 s-works captain rear.

    Only things I bought were the bars, seat post and water bottle holder. Everything else was out of my parts bin.

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    Zakman: looking good. Where did you get the Sun wheel set and how much does it weigh? I have a Burner Orange on order and can't wait to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Zakman: looking good. Where did you get the Sun wheel set and how much does it weigh? I have a Burner Orange on order and can't wait to get it.
    I didn't buy it yet. I want to ride the Luddite with my stumpy's wheels first to see if ~1 lbs weight loss is good enough or if I should spend about $200 more and go for a closer to 2 lbs loss. The sun wheels are on sale at Jenson USA for $299.99 (use coupon code 25off200 for another $25 off). They only have the 15/20 mm front hub available. Sun Ringle says you can get an adapter for 9mm qr but you have to order it through a LBS. It is part number ED2FCAPQR. I can't find it anywhere on the Internet. The black flag experts have weights on the Internet ranging from 1830 grams to 1890. The black flag experts would actually probably be closer to a 1.5 lbs weight loss.

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    i bought a sun ringle conversion axle for a different bike, and had the same issue...basically it was either order from an LBS or from a UK website (chain reaction had it at the time, and i was already ordering a hub from them so i added it, otherwise the LBS is prob the best route)

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    Looking good Zakman! I cant wait to get mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Looking good Zakman! I cant wait to get mine.
    Thanks. The color is greener then some of the pictures on the Internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    i bought a sun ringle conversion axle for a different bike, and had the same issue...basically it was either order from an LBS or from a UK website (chain reaction had it at the time, and i was already ordering a hub from them so i added it, otherwise the LBS is prob the best route)
    Once you got the part, did it work fine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I didn't buy it yet. I want to ride the Luddite with my stumpy's wheels first to see if ~1 lbs weight loss is good enough or if I should spend about $200 more and go for a closer to 2 lbs loss. The sun wheels are on sale at Jenson USA for $299.99 (use coupon code 25off200 for another $25 off). They only have the 15/20 mm front hub available. Sun Ringle says you can get an adapter for 9mm qr but you have to order it through a LBS. It is part number ED2FCAPQR. I can't find it anywhere on the Internet. The black flag experts have weights on the Internet ranging from 1830 grams to 1890. The black flag experts would actually probably be closer to a 1.5 lbs weight loss.
    That's a good deal, but maybe not enough weight savings compared to the Stan's. The stock wheels are a little less than 2000 grams per set. The tires and tubes are the "low hanging fruit" on this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    Once you got the part, did it work fine?
    yeah, works great on the rear...this is what i ordered, so not what you are looking at

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    That's a good deal, but maybe not enough weight savings compared to the Stan's. The stock wheels are a little less than 2000 grams per set. The tires and tubes are the "low hanging fruit" on this bike.
    I think the stock wheels are more like 2400 grams. I didn't weigh the wheels by themselves but I did weigh them without the skewers after I set them up tubeless with new tires. The weights i have written down for the wheels with everything on them is 2279 rear and 2077 for the front. I subtracted the known weights of my tires, sealant, valve stems, rotors, cog, lock ring and estimated for the spacers. For some reason I didn't write down the post math weight for each individual wheel but I wrote down the set as being 2400 grams and I remember rounding down 20-30 grams.

    REI has the weights of the 26er version of wheels similar to these listed as 1225 rear and 1010 front.

    The Speed TCS wheels on WTB's website are not the same wheels. I couldn't even find the exact rims on the site.

    I think I decided to go with the Stan's anyway. The Black Flag Experts would be at least a 500 gram weight savings but the Stan's would be about another 200 grams on top of that for about $200 more.

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    Zakman: that does sound heavy. I set up my wife's Young Turk, but didn't weigh them on their own either. I'll weigh everything when I get the Luddite. What model are the rotors? I'll find the weight and subtract.

    The Stan's can be had for 438 from outside outfitters if you look. I may upgrade the wheels after all if they're really that heavy.

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    Avid HS1 180 mm front, 160 rear. I think I found a weight of 93g for the 160 and rounded up to 100. Don't think I found a weight for the 180 but I think I used 130g.

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    Bike is looking good Zakman!
    I picked up my carbon bar today and my Thomson stem should be here this week. I'll put some pics up when I get it together.
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    anyone running really big tires on one of these? after a longer and more technical ride today i'm thinking i'll go with something like maxxis ardent 2.4s when these x-kings go, but not sure i have the clearance in the rear (front seems like it'd be fine). i suppose i could always go 2.25 in the rear w/2.4 up front, though.

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    I have 2.35 Nobby Nics front and rear...they clear, but I dont remember off the top of my head how much fatter i could go

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    Clearance looks great with a 2.2 slammed all the way forward on the Turk.

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    Ordered mine last night, a large in Burner Orange. Can't wait to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartan_msu View Post
    Ordered mine last night, a large in Burner Orange. Can't wait to get it.
    Burner Orange is coming on Monday for me!

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    Ordered a large burner orange after lots of research.....looks like the best deal out there for what you get, only 16 left according to the Huck & Roll counter for this size and color!

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    Whoever gets your Burner Orange first; can you post some pics of the fork? I would like to see some close ups of the matte black.

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    I'd bet that Paragon Machine dropouts would fit in that frame. Worth a try.

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    Orange Civilian Luddite delivered today

    Someone was asking for pictures of the orange frame. It's a very standard orange - not burnt, not neon. The "Civilian" logo is dark blue, and kind of matches the grips. The saluting icon is black, as is the "Hart designed" logo on the seat tube. Very, very nice looking bike. The carbon fork looks great in matte.

    As everyone has said, the build quality seems pretty great. This is the first bike that I've bought in a number of years, so I'm not the best to judge.

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    Just got the orange today too, but haven't put it together yet. Looks very nice, but the color is different then I thought. It is also more of a mat or semi mat finish which is different. Fork is pretty nice i might add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugbomb0605 View Post
    Someone was asking for pictures of the orange frame. It's a very standard orange - not burnt, not neon. The "Civilian" logo is dark blue, and kind of matches the grips. The saluting icon is black, as is the "Hart designed" logo on the seat tube. Very, very nice looking bike. The carbon fork looks great in matte.

    As everyone has said, the build quality seems pretty great. This is the first bike that I've bought in a number of years, so I'm not the best to judge.

    Sorry for the crummy cell phone photo quality.
    Looks like a great bike! What size is it? Mine is on the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borbntm View Post
    Looks like a great bike! What size is it? Mine is on the way.
    I ordered a medium. I may swap out the stem for a longer one, but I have short legs and a long torso (5'11"). Inaugural ride this morning. Pretty sweet ride! The rigid fork is going to rattle me to pieces in our local rock garden .

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    Well, I ordered my bike on Friday the 7/6, and I still have not received it yet. UPS delivered to wrong address last week, and I still have yet to receive it. Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Well, I ordered my bike on Friday the 7/6, and I still have not received it yet. UPS delivered to wrong address last week, and I still have yet to receive it. Cheers!
    Yeah, there was some minor confusion with mine. Ordered from backcountry.com on Sunday night around midnight. The guy I ordered from said it would ship Monday. I finally called Wednesday evening to check, and this next guy explained that the bike had to be built. It finally shipped out Thursday morning and arrived Monday afternoon. Not bad.

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    Its a monumental cluster Fudge. The bike went to an Amazon Distribution center about 5 miles from my house. I guess the UPS driver figured it was in the same town so it was close enough.I never signed for it. Anyways, Amazon cannot locate the package (I know people who work there) nor can UPS get a hold of amazon. The contact number goes straight to voicemail with all the other hundreds of calls a day.

    Really good chance I will not see this bike. I wonder if i can cancel my order with backcountry?

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    contact backcountry, they can claim it as lost/stolen and get a lot further with ups as the shipper than you can

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    contact , they can claim it as lost/stolen and get a lot further with ups as the shipper than you can
    Agreed. Their customer service is very good.

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    if you buy through dept of goods right now its 20% off with 6AS-1-UGL9A

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    Backcountry is going to expedite a new bike to me free of charge. I will have it by end of day tomorrow god willing. Seriously, some of the best customer service I have received. They think its BS that I have waited this long. UPS told them I'd have it in 3 to 4 days, and they said Forget it!

    Props to Backcountry!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    if you buy through dept of goods right now its 20% off with 6AS-1-UGL9A
    I got a 15% coupon code from Huck n Roll the day after I ordered mine. I went through the checkout to see if it would work. Looks like those codes won't work since the bike is technically already 25% off. No stacking, apparently.

    That's awesome that backcountry.com is taking care of you! I expected nothing less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugbomb0605 View Post
    I got a 15% coupon code from Huck n Roll the day after I ordered mine. I went through the checkout to see if it would work. Looks like those codes won't work since the bike is technically already 25% off. No stacking, apparently.

    That's awesome that backcountry.com is taking care of you! I expected nothing less.
    this one works, i think its actually 40% off of the original price, which works out to 20% off the sale price, about $630 shipped economy

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    This is a screaming deal! Is the build the same?

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    Yep

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    Is department of goods owned by the same parent company?

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    Yeah

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    Squeaky wheel gets the grease. I called. They matched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    Squeaky wheel gets the grease. I called. They matched.
    I'm definitely following up to see if they'll match retroactively. Theoretically, I don't see why they wouldn't - they have an unlimited return policy, so nothing stopping me from returning it and buying it from departmentofgoods.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    Squeaky wheel gets the grease. I called. They matched.
    Ok, I was thinking of doing that too. They matched the price with coupon code too, Zakman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Ok, I was thinking of doing that too. They matched the price with coupon code too, Zakman?
    or you can save the hassle and order from dept of goods, its all the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    or you can save the hassle and order from dept of goods, its all the same
    I just got the bike yesterday, so I was thinking of hitting Backcountry up for a little something back ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Ok, I was thinking of doing that too. They matched the price with coupon code too, Zakman?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    or you can save the hassle and order from dept of goods, its all the same
    There is a difference in the return policy. Huck n roll and Competitive Cyclist are 60 days. Department of Goods is 30 days and I think Backcountry is 100 days.

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    I just ordered an XL in mojito. My wife is gonna kill me...but I couldn't pass up $1,049 marked down to $629! Besides, she was just complaining about my old POS bike that keeps breaking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    There is a difference in the return policy. Huck n roll and Competitive Cyclist are 60 days. Department of Goods is 30 days and I think Backcountry is 100 days.
    Backcountry is forever now, no limit.

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    hucknroll said they would price match my purchase. I don't know if that is because it hasn't shipped yet or not. Wonder if they will take away the jersey though, lol!

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    I just live chatted myself a discount on the previously purchased Luddite and Young Turk. Backcountry rocks!

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    nice code!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I just live chatted myself a discount on the previously purchased Luddite and Young Turk. Backcountry rocks!
    did you get both a couple days ago? i got my luddite about 3 weeks ago, cant imagine itd work but i might try...whatd you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    did you get both a couple days ago? i got my luddite about 3 weeks ago, cant imagine itd work but i might try...whatd you say?
    Both arrived less than a week ago. You might check, you never know. I just told them that I'd rather have bought through Dept of Goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    did you get both a couple days ago? i got my luddite about 3 weeks ago, cant imagine itd work but i might try...whatd you say?
    I got mine about 3 weeks ago and they price matched. I called and told them with the coupon code on dept of goods it is $629.40. I asked if they would be willing to price match. He asked for the code so I am sure they checked it out. I got put on hold. He came back and told me they would refund the difference to my card.

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    damn, will give this a try later

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    At the new price and assuming you could sell the stock wheels for like $100, you can buy some Stan's and have a pretty solid bike for under a grand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    damn, will give this a try later
    I got a little push back at first ... but once they asked whomever they needed (boss), all was good. I promised to give them some good reviews and said everyone else on MTBR was getting a refund.

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    lol...they are going to be mad at us.

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    I just called they are refunding me my money. Backcountry is awesome!

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    After doing some calculating I got my Luddite for $582.00. I used bill me later and got another 6% cash back which was $47. So with that and the promo code I felt I did good! GO BACKCOUNTRY!

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    I'm thinking about the Luddite to mix things up from riding road/triathlons. I'd also like to do a few races, would the Luddite be suitable for midwest racing?

    I don't see where to input the discount code on Department of Goods. Did they remove it or am I missing something? Edit- found the spot under payment options to click.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86Sierra View Post
    I'm thinking about the Luddite to mix things up from riding road/triathlons. I'd also like to do a few races, would the Luddite be suitable for midwest racing?

    I don't see where to input the discount code on Department of Goods. Did they remove it or am I missing something? Edit- found the spot under payment options to click.
    You have to proceed to checkout and it below where you put in your address and above where you put in your payment information.

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    I didnt have to put the code in for dept of goods they took it off automatically. Super exicted about this will be awhile with other training I got going on before i have time to tweak everything but at that price too good to pass up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua_B View Post
    After doing some calculating I got my Luddite for $582.00. I used bill me later and got another 6% cash back which was $47. So with that and the promo code I felt I did good! GO BACKCOUNTRY!
    How'd that one work? I'm happy with $630, but curious. LBS wants more than $1000 for a Karaoke Monkey with a steel fork, so this is a screaming deal.

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    fatwallet does cashback on various sites

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    It wont work now, the bill me later 6% option is no longer in effect.

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    what's the feedback been on sizing for someone around 5'10", go medium or large?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan G. View Post
    what's the feedback been on sizing for someone around 5'10", go medium or large?
    I'm around that height, but have fairly short legs (30" inseam) and went with the medium. I like my bikes on the smaller side of normal however.

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    Your local in Bay Area, right? How are you liking it?

    I too have a short inseam so medium might be best. Plus it is more flickable or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan G. View Post
    Your local in Bay Area, right? How are you liking it?

    I too have a short inseam so medium might be best. Plus it is more flickable or something.
    Yes, I'm in the bay area. I haven't gotten a good ride in yet, so I'll pass judgement later. But the bike seems well made and built. I'm gearing it down and putting new tires on and will get it on the trail this Friday and report back.

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    Two notes:

    1. Backcountry.com made good. They honored the departmentofgoods.com coupon code and refunded me the difference. I paid $629 for the bike. Pretty sick.

    2. I'm happy enough with the bike, and especially at that price, that I ordered another one for my wife in size small.

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    Couple questions regarding this bike and since I am new too single speeding.

    1. I also want to be able to throw a 20T in the back, does it come with 1/8 or 3/32s? Do I need a new chain to run a 20T in rear as well.

    2. I am guessing I will slam the stem, since all carbon guessing I need to cut down. Has anyone cut down the steerer yet? Or is anyone running hte spacers above the stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HEMIjer View Post
    Couple questions regarding this bike and since I am new too single speeding.

    1. I also want to be able to throw a 20T in the back, does it come with 1/8 or 3/32s? Do I need a new chain to run a 20T in rear as well.

    2. I am guessing I will slam the stem, since all carbon guessing I need to cut down. Has anyone cut down the steerer yet? Or is anyone running hte spacers above the stem.
    1. I just put a 21t on and I feel it's a hair tight, so I'm going to put on a SRAM 8 speed chain. 20t would be fine.

    2. I may run a spacer above, no cutting for me.

    Edit: the chain and cogs are 3/32. The chain is rather heavy at 350 grams, my new chain cut down is only 260 grams.

    Also I think the wheelset is in the 2,300 gram range after all.
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    Got mine together today, will ride tomorrow hopefully. All stock except for the Geax AKA in the back, Kenda Slant Six up front, Charge Spoon seat, Surly cog and SRAM PC 870 chain. Anybody happen to weigh the seat post and/or bars? The Cutter seat weighs 278 grams. The went together well; of course the Avid CPS bolts needed work as they no doubt will every time a wheel is removed.

    Do the better brakes such as new XTs need all this jacking around all the time? I've only ever used BB7s and like them a lot, but I get tired of constantly messing with those stupid bolts to prevent rubbing.
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    My bars weighed about 275 and I think the 400mm seat post was about that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    My bars weighed about 275 and I think the 400mm seat post was about that too.
    Thanks. Nothing is really all that heavy other than the tires and wheels.

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    Just ordered a small for my girlfriend. Really just want the frame so if anyone wants EVERYTHING else, let me know...otherwise, it'll be in the classifieds soon.

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    the avids shouldnt need anymore or less maintenance alignment wise than any other disc brake once set up properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    Just ordered a small for my girlfriend. Really just want the frame so if anyone wants EVERYTHING else, let me know...otherwise, it'll be in the classifieds soon.

    Will post pictures when I get it all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    dibs on the fork if its an orange frame!
    It's the green...I'm already getting yelled at...might have to cancel the order
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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    the avids shouldnt need anymore or less maintenance alignment wise than any other disc brake once set up properly
    My experience in the past is that they adjustment every time I remove and replace a wheel. It's no too bad, but is there any system that self aligns and adjusts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    It's the green...I'm already getting yelled at...might have to cancel the order
    How are you building it up?

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    If I decide to go forward, I have a WB Loop, white P35 to DT240S wheels, Thomson stem & post, shimano xt 1x10, shimano xt brakes, older LX cranks in 170. Otherwise I'll sell all that stuff and buy myself something, my girl has been unappreciative of my love of cycling lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    If I decide to go forward, I have a WB Loop, white P35 to DT240S wheels, Thomson stem & post, shimano xt 1x10, shimano xt brakes, older LX cranks in 170. Otherwise I'll sell all that stuff and buy myself something, my girl has been unappreciative of my love of cycling lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    My experience in the past is that they adjustment every time I remove and replace a wheel. It's no too bad, but is there any system that self aligns and adjusts?
    I run bb7's on one bike, and xt's on 2 others, neither have any issues with alignment after removing the wheel...im guessing it has to do with either the initial setup not being right, not getting the wheel into the dropouts the same way each time, or maybe a warped rotor... the caliper should be fixed to where it isnt moving around every time you take off the wheel

    im not aware of a self aligning brake, but hydros self adjust for pad wear

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    I run bb7's on one bike, and xt's on 2 others, neither have any issues with alignment after removing the wheel...im guessing it has to do with either the initial setup not being right, not getting the wheel into the dropouts the same way each time, or maybe a warped rotor... the caliper should be fixed to where it isnt moving around every time you take off the wheel

    im not aware of a self aligning brake, but hydros self adjust for pad wear
    Good to know. My problems have all been on a bike with bolt ons and track ends - the wheel can walk a little during tightening.

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    It looks like all the Civilian bikes have been removed from the Department of Goods website. Congrats to everyone who got their bike for an unbelievable 40% off the original price.

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    She Finally Arrived.




    XLT fits great. I'm 6'5" and it makes me feel small. Its going to take some getting used to, but I think I will thoroughly enjoy it. Feels a bit clumsy compared to smaller 26".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    It looks like all the Civilian bikes have been removed from the Department of Goods website. Congrats to everyone who got their bike for an unbelievable 40% off the original price.
    I bet this had something to do with all the retroactive discounts! I bet it comes back in a few weeks, but I doubt they'll have many left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
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    XLT fits great. I'm 6'5" and it makes me feel small. Its going to take some getting used to, but I think I will thoroughly enjoy it. Feels a bit clumsy compared to smaller 26".
    Is this your first 29er? They feel large at first. You look like the right size for the baby.

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    You guys are killing me. I can't wait to get mine. How long did it take for yours to arrive from when you ordered it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Is this your first 29er? They feel large at first. You look like the right size for the baby.
    Yeah, it is my first 29er. I think I will like it tho.


    Alefak,

    UPS really did me dirty and delivered to wrong address and is now lost. Then after several days, back country next day air'd me another one. Depending on how far away you live, it will take 4 days. It took me a total of 13 days to get mine. Well worth the wait

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    Mine took about 4 or 5 days to California.

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    Yea it took mine four days to get to New Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Yeah, it is my first 29er. I think I will like it tho.


    Alefak,

    UPS really did me dirty and delivered to wrong address and is now lost. Then after several days, back country next day air'd me another one. Depending on how far away you live, it will take 4 days. It took me a total of 13 days to get mine. Well worth the wait
    If you don't mind me asking what size inseam do you wear. I am 6-8 and wear a 38" inseam and was hoping the xlt would fit me.

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    ^My inseam is 37" and this bike feels big, so I'm sure you will be fine. Measure from your bean bag tho, not your pants inseam.

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    I placed my order last Sunday night. Havent seen hide nor hair if it. I'm on the east coast so I guess mine will take longer.

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    Does anyone know if the 15 percent off mtbr.com offer can work on top of the current HucknRoll price for this bike?

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    It won't cuz its already 25% off

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    No it doesn't.

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    FYI, it will take about a week for your bike to ship right now. I ordered mine last Friday and it shipped today. I called mid week and he said their bike shop is between 2-4 days behind schedule right now. Must be lots of people buying them!

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    Looks like the 25% off sale is over for now...wait......went back on at 15% off

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    It was fun while it lasted. So, far the Luddite seems pretty solid and the geo appears to work for me. I like the way the bike climbs.

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    I agree SS, this is a great bike. I urge anyone thinking of getting this bike to go for it!

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    Mine should be here on Tuesday or Wednesday.....now that a few of you have put some miles in on yours over the weekend....any problem areas noted? Seems like the wire bead Nevagels are the only weak point? How is the seat, bars, stem etc.....Can't wait to take mine out!

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    Well i took mine out Saturday for the first time. First time on a 29er/Single Speed/Rigid. I loved it. It was not nearly as tough as I thought the climbing would be, and my lord does this bike get its momentum going quickly. I def noticed not having a suspension fork(Vibration), but I will get over it. All in all, I am very happy with the bike. Great balance going over jumps as well. Very comfortable and predictable riding experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Well i took mine out Saturday for the first time. First time on a 29er/Single Speed/Rigid. I loved it. It was not nearly as tough as I thought the climbing would be, and my lord does this bike get its momentum going quickly. I def noticed not having a suspension fork(Vibration), but I will get over it. All in all, I am very happy with the bike. Great balance going over jumps as well. Very comfortable and predictable riding experience.
    Keep your tire pressure down and that'll help. I don't have a lot of miles on the bike yet, but the forks seems to cut some vibrations compared to my old bike which had a steel fork. The grips do seem hard however, but I'm used to Ourys which really help on rigids.

    Now that I got the bike for only 630, I'm really getting tempted to replace the wheels and lose another pound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    Does anyone know if the 15 percent off mtbr.com offer can work on top of the current HucknRoll price for this bike?

    Looks like the sale is over.

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    How's the paint holding up on everyone's bikes? I have ridden the bike about 100 miles and I've got 5 or 6 nicks down to the bare metal already.

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    Yea I've been about a 100 or so miles on mine and I have some pretty good nicks on mine. Seems normal for me though. The terrian I ride is extremely rocky. So IMO its average paint chipping for me.

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    Must be their version of that famous Niner paint. Mine will be beat hard anyway ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by borbntm View Post
    Mine should be here on Tuesday or Wednesday.....now that a few of you have put some miles in on yours over the weekend....any problem areas noted? Seems like the wire bead Nevagels are the only weak point? How is the seat, bars, stem etc.....Can't wait to take mine out!
    One I rode had arch ex wheels. Feels very comparable to a high end niner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rowe925 View Post
    One I rode had arch ex wheels. Feels very comparable to a high end niner.
    Anybody weighed a Luddite with lighter wheels? 24 pounds seems easy to achieve?

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    i put some chinese carbon wheels on setup tubeless, scales batteries are dead though. will try to remember get some this week

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    24 seems unlikely w/o the big bucks. They're saying it's 26.6 w/o pedals. So you need to find close to 1400 grams. Putting a set of no tubes on will only get about 500 grams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alefak View Post
    24 seems unlikely w/o the big bucks. They're saying it's 26.6 w/o pedals. So you need to find close to 1400 grams. Putting a set of no tubes on will only get about 500 grams.
    You forgot the steel belted tires that weigh in at 980 grams each! I changed the tires and tubes and lost 750 grams without even going to light tires (680 grams each with 125 gram 26er tubes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by alefak View Post
    24 seems unlikely w/o the big bucks. They're saying it's 26.6 w/o pedals. So you need to find close to 1400 grams. Putting a set of no tubes on will only get about 500 grams.
    Rowe rode my Luddite.
    I swapped the stock wheels, tubes, and tires with a set of arch ex, a racing ralph 2.4, a roctet ron 2.25 and tubless. It dropped to 23.6. That's before carbon bars and a Thomson stem and post. I'm guessing it's under 23 pounds now. I'm sitting at $1500 invested and it's perfect.
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    Btw, Rowe rode my ass into the ground yesterday. Trying to keep up with him on his badass geared carbon race bike has my legs sore to the touch. I've been limping around all day haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    Rowe rode my Luddite.
    I swapped the stock wheels, tubes, and tires with a set of arch ex, a racing ralph 2.4, a roctet ron 2.25 and tubless. It dropped to 23.6. That's before carbon bars and a Thomson stem and post. I'm guessing it's under 23 pounds now. I'm sitting at $1500 invested and it's perfect.
    I think you owe us some photos of your bad ass Luddite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I think you owe us some photos of your bad ass Luddite.
    I only have craptastic camera phone pics.



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    The best I can do



    I always thought bar ends were kinda goofy. They're now my secret weapon. They seem to make extended climbs out of the saddle easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
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    I always thought bar ends were kinda goofy. They're now my secret weapon. They seem to make extended climbs out of the saddle easier.
    Looking good, did you change your chain too? The stock chain seems heavy.

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    This will be my first new bike. I'm assuming the pedals are 9/16"?

    Recommend any good, not to expensive, platforms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phrump View Post
    Received My XLT luddite today, I'm 6'6" 270lbs. Immediately went to the local trail head and did a ride around the lake. It was a blast. The bike rode great, but when i got back the chain had gotten some slack in it so i adjusted it back taught, Went again after my friend got off work and when we got back the sliders had slipped forward again. Any tips on getting it to hold? I set the tension bolt after setting the sliders after the first ride. i was thinking about sanding the paint off, or should i just wait and see if it stops after a few rides?
    My sliders slipped forward last night. Exact same thing you are describing. Wasnt even 20 ft on to the trail and it slipped. So have you fixed this problem, or have any advice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    My sliders slipped forward last night. Exact same thing you are describing. Wasnt even 20 ft on to the trail and it slipped. So have you fixed this problem, or have any advice?
    How much you do weigh, if you don't mind me asking? How tight is your chain and is there a noticeable "tight spot"? I tightened the sliders first and then the forward facing bolts. I always run my chains a hair loose (never dropped). Granted I only weigh 165, but I noticed zero slipping after a 900 foot climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ply5013 View Post
    This will be my first new bike. I'm assuming the pedals are 9/16"?

    Recommend any good, not to expensive, platforms?
    I'm running the DMR v12s and they cost about $59.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    How much you do weigh, if you don't mind me asking? How tight is your chain and is there a noticeable "tight spot"? I tightened the sliders first and then the forward facing bolts. I always run my chains a hair loose (never dropped). Granted I only weigh 165, but I noticed zero slipping after a 900 foot climb.
    I weigh 240lbs. I did not adjust them at all. I just put the wheel on and started riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    I weigh 240lbs. I did not adjust them at all. I just put the wheel on and started riding.
    You might check everything before the next ride, but this seems more of an issue for bigger riders. Make sure the chain is not too tight.

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    Should I adjust sliders first, or the chain tensioner first?

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    the sliders are the chain tensioner
    the adjuster screws and their lock nuts should be set first, then tighten down the bolts that hold the sliders to the frame
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    Nice looking bike! Did you go with the single speed rear wheel or keep the option open for gears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    the sliders are the chain tensioner
    the adjuster screws and their lock nuts should be set first, then tighten down the bolts that hold the sliders to the frame
    This makes sense. I did the opposite and it still worked. Granted I has track ends before and may not know what I'm doing!

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    if you did the opposite and it worked, your sliders were prob not torqued down properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    if you did the opposite and it worked, your sliders were prob not torqued down properly
    Should the sliders have walked forward? I tightened them again for safe keeping after tightening the set bolts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Anybody weighed a Luddite with lighter wheels? 24 pounds seems easy to achieve?
    just weighed it on my bathroom scale, weighs in at 24.2 lbs w/o pedals, total investment about $1300
    mods are chinese wide carbon wheels with 9/10mm thru bolts and bontrager rhythm strips, 2.35 Nobby Nics set up tubeless, shimano xt hydros, oury lock ons, and a 70mm ea50 stem

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    how you like the nobby nics on ourslippery VA rooty trails. I was thinking nobby nic rear 2.4 ralph out front, injured knee so plenty of time to plan mods out.
    XC, Road, XXC, Endurance, Mtn, All-Mtn, Cross, Gravel, just go have fun on 2 wheels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEMIjer View Post
    how you like the nobby nics on ourslippery VA rooty trails. I was thinking nobby nic rear 2.4 ralph out front, injured knee so plenty of time to plan mods out.
    was that directed at me? im in TX so no idea...
    you would prob want the nic in the front and ralph in the rear though

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    just weighed it on my bathroom scale, weighs in at 24.2 lbs w/o pedals, total investment about $1300
    mods are chinese wide carbon wheels with 9/10mm thru bolts and bontrager rhythm strips, 2.35 Nobby Nics set up tubeless, shimano xt hydros, oury lock ons, and a 70mm ea50 stem
    How do you like the short stem? I have a 80mm Sunline I was thinking of using. Also, can you give a little more detail about your wheels and where you got them? I'm liking what everyone is doing to this bike.

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    i like it a lot, steering felt a bit sluggish with the 100mm (rode it once on pavement though, no offroad experience with the longer stem), its what im used to on my full susp which has a similar ett, so ymmv

    see the long ass thread here on them, they are sold here

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    Anyone seen a Civilian Luddite 29er?-imageuploadedbytapatalk1343192649.249868.jpg Mine arrived today, initial impressions are good. Went together quickly, took it out for a spin and the sliders slid. Came back and re adjusted, no additional slipping. Saddle and general component spec. overall is better than I expected. BB7s are great brakes, this is my first set of mechanical discs.

    If there is a weak point it is the paint, chips easily....already chipping off around the sliders, I assume this is normal though. Shouldn't be an issue for me as intended use for this bike is winter in the rain and mud beater. The Nevagels will work great in those conditions even though they are boat anchors!! Really like the frame geometry and even though the gearing is the same as my 26" single speed, this new 29er feels a lot faster.
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    I noticed setting the sliders last night, that you almost have to over compensate when adjusting. My sliders do move just a little bit even after I adjust. It seems that the side opposite of the chain moves in closer to frame. So I just compensated for that when adjusting and it slid basically straight and hasnt moved since. I can see the lock nut on the slider becoming striped out easily tho in the near future if I have to keep adjusting.

    Maybe I'm just doing something wrong, but I rode with chain tensioners on my bmx bike for years, and I am very experienced with adjusting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    I noticed setting the sliders last night, that you almost have to over compensate when adjusting. My sliders do move just a little bit even after I adjust. It seems that the side opposite of the chain moves in closer to frame. So I just compensated for that when adjusting and it slid basically straight and hasnt moved since. I can see the lock nut on the slider becoming striped out easily tho in the near future if I have to keep adjusting.

    Maybe I'm just doing something wrong, but I rode with chain tensioners on my bmx bike for years, and I am very experienced with adjusting them.
    I wondering if sliders like this have a weight limit? Perhaps they could be replaced with more stout versions too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by borbntm View Post
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ID:	712512 Mine arrived today, initial impressions are good. Went together quickly, took it out for a spin and the sliders slid. Came back and re adjusted, no additional slipping. Saddle and general component spec. overall is better than I expected. BB7s are great brakes, this is my first set of mechanical discs.

    If there is a weak point it is the paint, chips easily....already chipping off around the sliders, I assume this is normal though. Shouldn't be an issue for me as intended use for this bike is winter in the rain and mud beater. The Nevagels will work great in those conditions even though they are boat anchors!! Really like the frame geometry and even though the gearing is the same as my 26" single speed, this new 29er feels a lot faster.
    Found the "cure" for the sliding sliders.....I took a file and carefully filed the paint down to bare metal on the track that the two Allen head bolts torque down on. The paint is thick and it bubbles when you tighten the bolts down which causes movement. I will put a thin clear coat of paint back on over the bare metal exposed prior to the rain season to prevent any surface rust. I weigh 215 lbs and this is the only thing that has prevented movement!!

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    Im all kinds of screwed up now. Tire is rubbing up on the top part of frame now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Im all kinds of screwed up now. Tire is rubbing up on the top part of frame now.
    Danner, Loosen the two Allen headed slider bolts on each side. Slid the wheel around until it is centered and the chain has the correct tension and then tighten the horizontal adjustment bolts until they are snug. Those adjustment bolts have to touch or the wheel will move.Then torque the 4 Allen headed attachment bolts as tight as possible. I use a long Allen wrench for lots of torque. I also filed the paint off were the four bolts torque down for a more solid surface.

    This should end your problem. I did twenty miles last night with no movement. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Im all kinds of screwed up now. Tire is rubbing up on the top part of frame now.
    I'm assuming you are saying that the rear tire is rubbing on the back of your seat tube? Given your experience with tensioners from your BMX days and your continued problems with this bike, you might want to take it to your local shop and see if they can find the problem. Perhaps the rear triangle is bent or some bolt or washer is strippd?. And if you still can't find the problem, look at the Ti and stainless steel bolt kit options from Paragon Machine Works. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borbntm View Post
    Danner, Loosen the two Allen headed slider bolts on each side. Slid the wheel around until it is centered and the chain has the correct tension and then tighten the horizontal adjustment bolts until they are snug. Those adjustment bolts have to touch or the wheel will move.Then torque the 4 Allen headed attachment bolts as tight as possible. I use a long Allen wrench for lots of torque. I also filed the paint off were the four bolts torque down for a more solid surface.

    This should end your problem. I did twenty miles last night with no movement. Good luck!
    Yes, try that first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    I'm assuming you are saying that the rear tire is rubbing on the back of your seat tube? Given your experience with tensioners from your BMX days and your continued problems with this bike, you might want to take it to your local shop and see if they can find the problem. Perhaps the rear triangle is bent or some bolt or washer is strippd?. And if you still can't find the problem, look at the Ti and stainless steel bolt kit options from Paragon Machine Works. Good luck.
    Mine was doing the same thing almost to the point of rubbing on the down tube of the rear triangle as Danner described. I think some lock washers under the bolt heads may be the next thing that I try if it slips out of place again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    I'm assuming you are saying that the rear tire is rubbing on the back of your seat tube? Given your experience with tensioners from your BMX days and your continued problems with this bike, you might want to take it to your local shop and see if they can find the problem. Perhaps the rear triangle is bent or some bolt or washer is strippd?. And if you still can't find the problem, look at the Ti and stainless steel bolt kit options from Paragon Machine Works. Good luck.
    Maybe we need a photo. Did you gear down a lot and is the wheel slammed forward now? I geared down to a 21t cog and needed a new chain (stock chain is heavy anyway).

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    A-C on fork

    Does anyone have the axle to crown measurement on the stock luddite fork? Thanks.

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    depending on why you are asking, the young turk is the same bike with a Rock Shox Reba RL if that A2C helps you

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    yeah

    looks like geo is listed the same between the bikes and the young turk is stocked with a 100mm travel fork......so wondering if the rigid fork on the luddite is really up in the ballpark of 490ish?

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    looks like all the websites have it priced just over $1k now

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    I have in around 100 miles on mine now, mainly tight and rocky single track with some pavement in between....I have to say that this bike has met my expectations and then some.

    After an initial problem with the sliders moving around solved, I then moved on to correctly setting up the BB7 brakes. There is a lot of BS on You Tube about setting these up.....most of what I have seen is over complicated and doesn't work!

    I have found correct setup to be as simple as loosening the calipers, turning the inboard and outboard adjusters until the pads are touching the rotor and centered and then tightening the caliper back up, set the gaps and your done! This has worked perfectly for me. I really like these brakes.

    Geometry seems to feel more lively like a 26er on tight single track then my other 29er, a Stumpy EVO ht which is odd since the Luditte weighs about 2 Lbs. more.....(Mainly in the tires)...I will have to do a geometry comparison and figure out what is different.

    Overall a fun and solid bike so far.
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    Yes, my tire was rubbing on the down triangle. Right side. I played around with it, and got her straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Yes, my tire was rubbing on the down triangle. Right side. I played around with it, and got her straight.
    Glad you got it corrected.... I am right at 215 lbs. and had to put down some major torque on the Allen head slider attachment bolts to keep them in place. I greased the threads first also which seems to help. I think when the time comes to tighten up the chain, I will put some star nuts or lock washers under them also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borbntm View Post
    I have in around 100 miles on mine now, mainly tight and rocky single track with some pavement in between....I have to say that this bike has met my expectations and then some.

    After an initial problem with the sliders moving around solved, I then moved on to correctly setting up the BB7 brakes. There is a lot of BS on You Tube about setting these up.....most of what I have seen is over complicated and doesn't work!

    I have found correct setup to be as simple as loosening the calipers, turning the inboard and outboard adjusters until the pads are centered and then tightening the caliper back up, set the gaps and your done! This has worked perfectly for me. I really like these brakes.

    Geometry seems to feel more like a 26er on tight single track then my other 29er, a Stumpy EVO ht which is odd since the Lucite weighs about 2 Lbs. more.....Mainly in the tires!

    Overall a fun and solid bike so far.
    I feel like the rotors they used on this bike actually work better and are less noisy than the G2s I have on another bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I feel like the rotors they used on this bike actually work better and are less noisy than the G2s I have on another bike.
    I compared the 2011 rotors to the 2012 version on the Jenson website (they are selling both) the 2012 version has changed for the better....more holes and looks like lighter weight.

    I do not like the Avid elixir hydro brakes on my Stumpy.....They are really bad compared to these mechanicals!.... I would have never guessed.
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    After two weeks the Luddite came in!!!!!

    So did a Young Turk, that I didn't order!!!!!

    BC et al. has really good customer service, so ya think they felt bad and sent two bikes because of the shipping delay????

    EDIT: As it turns out, they screwed up. They offered a really really really really good deal for the bike so the YT is staying!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    After two weeks the Luddite came in!!!!!

    So did a Young Turk, that I didn't order!!!!!

    BC et al. has really good customer service, so ya think they felt bad and sent two bikes because of the shipping delay????
    They must have sent you my Young Turk. Send it my way. I will cover the shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    After two weeks the Luddite came in!!!!!

    So did a Young Turk, that I didn't order!!!!!

    BC et al. has really good customer service, so ya think they felt bad and sent two bikes because of the shipping delay????
    Hot commodity, now that the prices have gone back up.

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    My first new bike. My first 29er. Can't wait to ride it. Pedals deliver today...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    They must have sent you my Young Turk. Send it my way. I will cover the shipping.
    No problem...I use Price Point's shipper so that'll be $900, sir.

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    I am absolutely LOVING this bike. Just did the Stan's conversion yesterday with a 2.4 Racing Ralph up front, and a 2.25 RR in the rear, otherwise it's stock at the moment. The tires should be first priority, HUGE difference. Tubeless was a major change in feel as well. Adds quite a bit of smoothness to the ride, particularly for a rigid setup.

    Actually have to say I'm pretty impressed with the stock saddle. As a longtime Selle Italia Flite enthusiast, I've felt no need to ditch the saddle right away.

    Anyway, enjoy everyone!

    One thing of note I discovered: I like to swap quick-releases to bolt-on skewers as a general rule. The standard 100mm QR is not long enough to compensate for the thick dropouts on this fork. I had to order a longer version, just an FYI.

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    Quick questions: The stock stem... It appears to be 100mm, possibly 10-15 degree rise? Anyone know for sure?

    This is also my first tapered steer tube of these dimensions... Will a standard 1 1/8" stem work on this steer tube?

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    its 100mm stem on all size frames, no idea what rise
    there are reducers you can purchase to use a standard fork with a tapered head tube

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    Thanks for the reply... Just looking to replace the stem for now. Do you know if it's standard inch and an eighth?

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    its a standard tapered steerer, which means 1-1/8" up top and 1-1/2" below at the crown

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    Excellent, thanks!

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    FWIW...I bought two Luddites through Comp.Cycle late last week and mentioned I had seen the entire line of Civ bikes marked 25% on the Facebook page. They honored the price which brought them down to $787. However I called today to see if they would pricematch what some of you were able to get them at and they wouldn't budge. Ah well, it's still a very good price and my bikes ought to be here later this week.
    Both bikes will be somewhat different than what others have mentioned. My GF is getting the Nuvinci hub and mine is slated to have a 36h Rohloff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docsurf View Post
    FWIW...I bought two Luddites through Comp.Cycle late last week and mentioned I had seen the entire line of Civ bikes marked 25% on the Facebook page. They honored the price which brought them down to $787. However I called today to see if they would pricematch what some of you were able to get them at and they wouldn't budge. Ah well, it's still a very good price and my bikes ought to be here later this week.
    Both bikes will be somewhat different than what others have mentioned. My GF is getting the Nuvinci hub and mine is slated to have a 36h Rohloff.
    Try to post some images once you get the bikes setup with the new hubs.

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    Or you can loosen the calipers, grab the brake lever and squeeze it to center the rotor. While holding the brake lever, tighten the caliper back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    One solution: <http://www.paragonmachineworks.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=MS0023> If the link doesn't work, check out ParagonMachineWorks - they have a complete line of aftermarket bolts and parts for sliding dropouts, among other things..
    I think it could really benefit to have the double washer added to this bike to spread the load and help keep the sliders from sliding. The thumb nuts would be very nice also. How can you tell if the thumb nuts that paragon sells will work on the set screws that come on the bike? And also that the double washer will fit the bolt spacing?

    i rode mine for the first time last night and the drive side slid forward on a climb and the chain tried to jump off the cog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alefak View Post
    I think it could really benefit to have the double washer added to this bike to spread the load and help keep the sliders from sliding. The thumb nuts would be very nice also. How can you tell if the thumb nuts that paragon sells will work on the set screws that come on the bike? And also that the double washer will fit the bolt spacing?

    i rode mine for the first time last night and the drive side slid forward on a climb and the chain tried to jump off the cog.
    I decided to go a different direction and did not purchase the Civilian. But I'd take a few photos and email them to Paragon and see what kit or parts would fit. You will probably need to email or call Civilian customer service (or competitive cyclist's customer service, regardless of where you purchased the bike) and ask for the technical information on the nuts, bolts, and screws used. I'm sure CC has this information or can get it to you quickly. And on that note, I suspect the CC guys would be happy to work with you and your stock bike to troubleshoot the slippage issue, as I am confident the bike will work fine with the stock parts, though you may need to file the paint off your frame under the washers/bolts. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borbntm View Post
    Glad you got it corrected.... I am right at 215 lbs. and had to put down some major torque on the Allen head slider attachment bolts to keep them in place. I greased the threads first also which seems to help. I think when the time comes to tighten up the chain, I will put some star nuts or lock washers under them also.
    Im about the point now where I am about to tac weld these allen bolts lol. I havent tried lock washers yet, but it will be my next step. Last option will be to file paint off my brand new $800 bike.

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    are you sure you guys are adjusting these correctly? havent had issues with mine, im about 200lbs geared up

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    bump.....

    .....can someone measure the A-C on the luddite fork? Thanks

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    Here's a close up photo of what I did to solve the "slippage" issue with the rear sliders. Filed the paint off and torqued the bolts down as hard as possible with a long Allen wrench.

    Danner....., As for taking a file to the paint on a new $800 bike....It lifted and came loose when I torqued them down hard anyway, I just finished the job with a file. I plan on cleaning the area up, blending the edges nice and applying a thin clear coat of automotive touch up paint prior to riding in the rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borbntm View Post
    Here's a close up photo of what I did to solve the "slippage" issue with the rear sliders. Filed the paint off and torqued the bolts down as hard as possible with a long Allen wrench.

    Danner....., As for taking a file to the paint on a new $800 bike....It lifted and came loose when I torqued them down hard anyway, I just finished the job with a file. I plan on cleaning the area up, blending the edges nice and applying a thin clear coat of automotive touch up paint prior to riding in the rain.
    Would've been nice if these were stainless of course. I just saw a Surly KM on sale at a LBS for $952 and it came with the same rims and many other similar parts, except the carbon fork. For $630 the Luddite is a screaming deal by comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Would've been nice if these were stainless of course. I just saw a Surly KM on sale at a LBS for $952 and it came with the same rims and many other similar parts, except the carbon fork. For $630 the Luddite is a screaming deal by comparison.
    Good point, I will wait and see if it gets any surface rust....maybe it is rust free steel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by borbntm View Post
    Good point, I will wait and see if it gets any surface rust....maybe it is rust free steel?
    It'll rust or they wouldn't have painted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borbntm View Post
    Good point, I will wait and see if it gets any surface rust....maybe it is rust free steel?
    Any rust you get on the dropouts will be superficial and easily remediated with some steel wool or a file. But if you are concerned about rust, you might want to treat the interior of the frame with framesaver or boiled linseed oil. I would be much more worried about rust I can't see than anything that might show on the dropouts. Great looking bike BTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    are you sure you guys are adjusting these correctly? havent had issues with mine, im about 200lbs geared up
    What he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    are you sure you guys are adjusting these correctly? havent had issues with mine, im about 200lbs geared up
    I'm 190ish and mine has loosened once. It was after a ride with lots of rooty and rocky 2'-3' foot drops though. The bike has been flawless with exception of that.
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    So apparently Civilian is no longer owned by Backcountry. Wonder how that'll affect price and availability of these...

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    hmm, interesting

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    Maybe this was the cause of the sudden price increase?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    It'll rust or they wouldn't have painted it.
    I am not a metalologist but I do know that some grades of steel are more rust prone than others. Hard to say what grade of metal was used, painted or not. It will be interesting to see what happens in terms of surface rust.

    Intended use for this bike will be as a rainy season bike and all around daily beater. I was planning on spraying WD 40 in all of the weep holes prior to the rainy season. I picked up the Luditte to replace the Trance X2 for this purpose. I am more concerned about rust that can't be seen than surface rust. I actually considered this when I purchased it.....but at the great price that I got, I will take the chance.

    This past spring I had to practically rebuild my Trance X2 after one winter of running hard and putting away wet......literally!!! New shock bushings, rebuilt fork, cables, new derailer, cassette and chain.....after one wet and muddy winter of riding. Interesting thing is, I have ridden it one time since I got the Luditte and I was not into it at all.....This single speed thing is addicting!! And Im glad that I didn't pick up the Surly I had my eye on at my LBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    Any rust you get on the dropouts will be superficial and easily remediated with some steel wool or a file. But if you are concerned about rust, you might want to treat the interior of the frame with framesaver or boiled linseed oil. I would be much more worried about rust I can't see than anything that might show on the dropouts. Great looking bike BTW.
    Thanks BT....I couldn't resist the ODI grips with anodized orange rings for a little "bling"

    This is my only ride without SPDs also, at least for now....took some getting used to again but it is great to slip on the Vans and take off.
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    I dont care about rust, like someone else said its easily remedied by steel wool. I am however a little discouraged by the fact that a new bike out of the box needs custom fabrication/modification. Sliders and brakes need special adjustments? I do like this bike, I just think its a little ridiculous. And to save anyone who chimes in from wasting their breath, I know its all part of riding and I just need to get used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    are you sure you guys are adjusting these correctly? havent had issues with mine, im about 200lbs geared up
    Mine definately slipped a lot intially out of the box. Heres what works best w/o filing paint off. Loosen the hex nuts a little bit so the sliders will slide but not too much or the frame will spread. loosen the lock nuts on the chain tensioner bolts. Tighten the chain tensioner bolts on each side to set the chain tension to be fairly tight and to center the wheel in the frame. Note: If you dont get the slack out of the chain, every time you bumb the cranks you are jerking the drive side forward with more force. Once you get the chain tight and the wheel centered, tighten the lock nuts really tight against the drop out to hold the tensioner bolts in place and to keep them from backing out. You have to use two 8mm wrenches, one to hold the tensioner and the other to tighten the lock nut against the drop out. Then tighten the hex bolts with a metric wrench, not a hex key.

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    umm, its normal to have to adjust brakes when you mail order a bike, and mods arent necessary for the sliders if set up right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Im about the point now where I am about to tac weld these allen bolts lol. I havent tried lock washers yet, but it will be my next step. Last option will be to file paint off my brand new $800 bike.
    How does lock washers come after tack welding?
    Lock washers is step one. Many bikes come with them.
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    it has lock nuts, i just dont think people are using them correctly

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