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    Anyone missing a Moots YBB 29?

    0 feedback, no size listed....doesn't look like someone who would own this.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Moots-titanium-2...QQcmdZViewItem

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    shipping $250. wow the red flags are going off big time.

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    ...and the only bidder, also 0 feedback starts at $500. And shipping is $250. I smell a scam.
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    Isn't it obvious???

    If you want to know for sure, ask for the serial number...
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    wondered the same thing, the price alone made me double take whilst scanning ebay tonight. Lets ask some questions and see what response we get.

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    i sent a report to ebay, for both the possible stolen item and specifically for the shipping charge. Also emailed the seller asking for serial number.
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    I asked about shipping and he told me he thought it might cost $250 to ship it, but he would charge the actual amount at the end of the auction.
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    Well I know TiRyder had a Moots stolen during Leesburg Bakers Dozen, but can't remember if it was a HT or softtail. I think he would have been on a Medium though. If that was legit the starting bid would be a "tad" higher me thinks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicmtbr
    I asked about shipping and he told me he thought it might cost $250 to ship it, but he would charge the actual amount at the end of the auction.


    Is it just me, or is that really expensive to ship a bicycle frame.

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    Shipping a frame coast to coast domestically i think cost about $60-$70 at most if standard shipping. I smell a thief.

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    Sometimes folks pump up shipping and sell for less so they get the same amount of cash and Paypal/Ebay take a smaller portion. Someone should refer this auction to Rob (TiRyder) just in case.
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    Just to play devil's advocate, he does state in his post that he wasn't sure of the shipping cost and would only charge actually shipping plus a box. There's also 9 days left on the auction. I'm sure the price will go significantly higher. I agree the easiest way to check legitimacy is to simply ask for a s/n.

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    What gets me the most is that it was on display purposes at a shop, yet they're unsure of shipping? I can't think of any shop besides a bike shop that'd have a frame that nice in stock, and a bike shop that doesn't know shipping costs?

    Bogus.

    Also, that looks like a dorm room where the picture is taken at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicmtbr
    Sometimes folks pump up shipping and sell for less so they get the same amount of cash and Paypal/Ebay take a smaller portion. Someone should refer this auction to Rob (TiRyder) just in case.
    That's against ebay rules as well and should be reported.

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    Already sent him a PM with the links.
    Quote Originally Posted by Manicmtbr
    Someone should refer this auction to Rob (TiRyder) just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    Already sent him a PM with the links.
    thanks for thinking of me guys, and for the PM, Lynx.

    If it is a 19, its not mine, as mine was an 18. I will inquire as to serial number anyway. Moots keeps a record of reported stole bikes to compare to when Item such as this come up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEtheDOG
    Just to play devil's advocate, he does state in his post that he wasn't sure of the shipping cost and would only charge actually shipping plus a box. There's also 9 days left on the auction. I'm sure the price will go significantly higher. I agree the easiest way to check legitimacy is to simply ask for a s/n.
    I asked the seller for a serial number - my note said:
    "Can you provide authenticity for the frame via a serial number?"

    His reply was "it's authentic. . . "

    This is stolen. I sell a fair amount on ebay and Craigslist, and the key to getting buyers is making the buyer confident in a fair value via pictures and descriptions. No one just has a Moots to throw up on Ebay with such shoddy info, and your first e-transaction is never a 2k item if you're legit.
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    Heres the question I sent last night.
    "Hi can you tell me the tt length and the st length? What events was this bike ridden around at? What type of air shock is in the back?"

    figured if it was bogus he wouldn't be able to tell me it wasn't an air shock
    Here's the reply I got.
    "refer to the Moots website it is the 19 geometery. It was used to display product at various handbuilt shows and tradeshows. It dosent have a shock refer to the Moots website for the low-down on their YBB design, its a very cool frame concept."

    still way too sketchy for my money. the lack of clarifcation on the s/n sealed it.
    one of the updates says, " I want to get stuck with the charges."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Presto
    What gets me the most is that it was on display purposes at a shop, yet they're unsure of shipping? I can't think of any shop besides a bike shop that'd have a frame that nice in stock, and a bike shop that doesn't know shipping costs?

    Bogus.

    Also, that looks like a dorm room where the picture is taken at.
    exactly. any shop worth its salt is going to have an idea of shipping.
    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

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    I sent a message:

    What's with the price? This frame is worth over $1k.

    and he replied:

    I expect it will bring that much, don't know how to do the ebay thing that
    well. I actually expected to set a reserve.

    -4jscomp


    and I responded:


    If you're serious about getting what you think it's worth, I recommend
    pulling it. There is a question about the validity of this auction. Check
    out this
    thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...73896#poststop

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    I asked for the serial number and he responds "starts with 19"

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    No good Genius..............

    .........way to tip off the theif
    Quote Originally Posted by J Iannone
    I sent a message:

    What's with the price? This frame is worth over $1k.

    and he replied:

    I expect it will bring that much, don't know how to do the ebay thing that
    well. I actually expected to set a reserve.

    -4jscomp


    and I responded:


    If you're serious about getting what you think it's worth, I recommend
    pulling it. There is a question about the validity of this auction. Check
    out this
    thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...73896#poststop
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    Dumbass.


    Quote Originally Posted by J Iannone

    and I responded:


    If you're serious about getting what you think it's worth, I recommend
    pulling it. There is a question about the validity of this auction. Check
    out this
    thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...73896#poststop

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Iannone

    If you're serious about getting what you think it's worth, I recommend
    pulling it. There is a question about the validity of this auction. Check
    out this
    thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...73896#poststop

    d'oh!

    should have just reported it and went on your merry way. of course they want to sell it. they dont want to ride it.
    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

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    If he pulls it. I guess we'll have our answer.

    Hey J Lannone...

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    Or is some2 missing a picture of a YBB 29

    Sure hope no one falls for it..

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    There's no way there's at least something that's not off with this listing. I'm even more thrown now that I've seen that there's two 0-feedback people that've been bidding to bump up the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Iannone
    I sent a message:

    What's with the price? This frame is worth over $1k.

    and he replied:

    I expect it will bring that much, don't know how to do the ebay thing that
    well. I actually expected to set a reserve.

    -4jscomp


    and I responded:


    If you're serious about getting what you think it's worth, I recommend
    pulling it. There is a question about the validity of this auction. Check
    out this
    thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...73896#poststop
    Wut the heck, tipping off a thief???

    Quote Originally Posted by Fattirewilly
    0 feedback, no size listed....doesn't look like someone who would own this.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Moots-titanium-2...QQcmdZViewItem
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    Of course this is phony. ANYONE who actually owns a Moots and tries to sell theirs is either running from the law or slightly retarded.

    Seel your sister to slavery yes. Sell your Moots to another? Hell no!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Iannone
    I sent a message:

    What's with the price? This frame is worth over $1k.

    and he replied:

    I expect it will bring that much, don't know how to do the ebay thing that
    well. I actually expected to set a reserve.

    -4jscomp


    and I responded:


    If you're serious about getting what you think it's worth, I recommend
    pulling it. There is a question about the validity of this auction. Check
    out this
    thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...73896#poststop
    WTF.......Why don't you just set up a tutorial. Something like "How to sell your stolen crap on Ebay for dummies".

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    Tell the seller that you can only pay him with a certified check for $10,000. He should cash the check and send you the remainder, along with the frame, as fast as he can...

    My Nigerian uncle taught me all about Ebay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Iannone
    I sent a message:

    What's with the price? This frame is worth over $1k.

    and he replied:

    I expect it will bring that much, don't know how to do the ebay thing that
    well. I actually expected to set a reserve.

    -4jscomp


    and I responded:


    If you're serious about getting what you think it's worth, I recommend
    pulling it. There is a question about the validity of this auction. Check
    out this
    thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...73896#poststop

    I bet you were the teacher's pet all through school, right?

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    Hey, irrational angry mob. How's it going?

    Thanks for the heads up, I am traveling at the ToC this week. I
    will have
    to get the S/N up when I get home. This just happens
    to be the first item
    I have ever ebay'd and I am not doing it well.
    The frame is legit I
    bought it new from Jon Cariveau at Moots a
    couple of years ago I have all
    the documents.

    -4jscomp
    This doesn't fit the profile of a fraud, but it does fit the profile of a newb.

    1. He's not asking for payment through "western union" or another known fraudulent escrow company.
    2. He's not reportedly shipping it from another country.
    3. English is not his second language.
    4. It's not been identified as a picture of someone else's bike taken from another advertisement or picture thread.

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    His english seems to have improved very quickly.

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    Good job J Iannone!

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    Don't tip him off. I am looking forward to a good old fashioned lynching!
    My brain went from "you probably shouldn't say that" to WTF!

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    bad idea

    Nobody should tip off the bad guys about the super sleuthing computer bike club. Perhaps all you Kojak wannabees need a more secure forum. Maybe a treehouse in your parents back yard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traktor
    Nobody should tip off the bad guys about the super sleuthing computer bike club. Perhaps all you Kojak wannabees need a more secure forum. Maybe a treehouse in your parents back yard.

    What a great idea! Hey, I have plenty of trees around my house.
    My brain went from "you probably shouldn't say that" to WTF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traktor
    Nobody should tip off the bad guys about the super sleuthing computer bike club. Perhaps all you Kojak wannabees need a more secure forum. Maybe a treehouse in your parents back yard.
    haha - NICE! exactly what i was thinking!

    grab some of these for the treehouse;

    http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trk...All-Categories

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Iannone
    Hey, irrational angry mob. How's it going?

    This doesn't fit the profile of a fraud, but it does fit the profile of a newb.

    1. He's not asking for payment through "western union" or another known fraudulent escrow company.
    2. He's not reportedly shipping it from another country.
    3. English is not his second language.
    4. It's not been identified as a picture of someone else's bike taken from another advertisement or picture thread.
    1) Not required for thievery.
    2) "Reportedly," seen too many that say, "superfast shipping USA" for thier location or some other bs.....
    3) How do you know?
    4) Just because it's stolen doesn't mean the seller can't take their own picture to post up.

    Quote Originally Posted by D.F.L.
    Tell the seller that you can only pay him with a certified check for $10,000. He should cash the check and send you the remainder, along with the frame, as fast as he can...

    My Nigerian uncle taught me all about Ebay.
    LOL>>> I just shipped a car and got alot extra from the nice man.

    Quote Originally Posted by OchoCero
    haha - NICE! exactly what i was thinking!

    grab some of these for the treehouse;

    http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trk...All-Categories
    WoW forgot about them books!
    Get off the couch and ride! :)

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    read his Feb 16 post,
    " The S/N is 19M6676! I bought the bike to display components that I manufacture and sell. This is my first sell on eBay and yes I overestimated the shipping fees. I don't know wither to be offended/impressed at the number of accusations. The bike is ONLY set up for disc brakes. I imagine that the value of the final sale will represent the market value of the frame."

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    Hey Internet Police, People Selling Stolen [email protected] Do Not Use 10 Day Auctions!!!! Zero Feedback Makes Him A Crook!? You Have To Start Somewhere.

    Get A Life And Go Back To Speculating Which Company Will Die In The Death Pool Or Which Company Dumped That Louisiana Guy's Shop.

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    So if I tried to sell my ck wheelset I just had built up on ebay with a zero feedback, and didn't know much information, it would be a instant scam. Well cool. Also they are not for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtrek4500
    So if I tried to sell my ck wheelset I just had built up on ebay with a zero feedback, and didn't know much information, it would be a instant scam. Well cool. Also they are not for sale.
    Yeah, I gotta admit that this just doesn't feel like a scam to me. People just LOVE to feel like they've caught somebody being bad.

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    I believe the point is that, had you actually just build up a ck wheelset, you would know all the information about it... it's fishy when someone is selling a Moots frame, of all frames, and says he manufactures parts, yet gives little to no insight into his knowledge of bikes, parts, or even the frame he's selling.

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    Yeah I totally agree, I was just posting that in a kind of tongue in cheek kind of approach. Also the way that he did post it is kind of fishy.

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    I am just glad someone on here was looking out for other riders when the OP brought this up. Thanks for looking out.
    I like to ride Bikes. This might be turning into an obsession, not sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjcools
    I am just glad someone on here was looking out for other riders when the OP brought this up. Thanks for looking out.
    Agreed...

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    Just thought I would put this to rest, the eBay listing was legit.

    This is funny, I'm just doing some thread browsing and came across this thread. I just rode with the owner of this frame Tuesday, it was his maiden voyage with the bike. After looking at the eBay listing and seen the location of the winning bidder I figured it out. My buddy told me that the seller used the frame as a display for components he sells, so it was practically brand new. So this confirms the previous post

    Anyway my buddy says he is totally stoked with the bike, he said it the best bike he had ever ridden. He said the bike exceeds the expectations that he had. He rode a surly 29er SS last season.

    He has the bike set up 1x9 and totally blinged out with middleburn cranks, Moots post,stem and bars, CK headset, CK hubs/ Bontrager Rhythm rims . He has a nice TI grey, blue and white color scheme going on.

    Here is the bike built up. I took this picture with my phone Tuesday during our ride, just because it looked so good. Makes me want to try the 29er thing.
    I can fix it............... my dad has an awesome set of tools

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit
    shipping $250. wow the red flags are going off big time.
    What are you talking about, it costs a lot shipping from Ogden, UT Nigeria.

    Sheesh.

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