Yes, I can do the math, but I understand the way the frame is machined out to accept the axle end is different than a 10mm thru-bolt. The 135x10 thru-bolt works with current frames. Besides the width, there is something different about the 142mm. I didn't understand the description in the current BIKE magazine.
Giant will have a CF hard tail 29er next year, DW says someone will release a cross country race oriented DW Link rig (not Turner), and Siren may be ready with something new.
Yes, I can do the math, but I understand the way the frame is machined out to accept the axle end is different than a 10mm thru-bolt. The 135x10 thru-bolt works with current frames. Besides the width, there is something different about the 142mm. I didn't understand the description in the current BIKE magazine.
I guess I'm so far unconvinced that we need a better rear axle retention system. Maybe the gravity riders do. The additional axle width should allow less dish, and there is a benefit to that, but the chainline also gets worse.
It's annoying to see too many different standards. Right now for front wheels we've got QR, 15, 20, and 24mm TA. Fortunately, there are a few convertible hubs.
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I was told by two reps and a inside tech guy about this. The demo at Interbike was rushed thru and nobody (GT) was really happy with it. Evidently being re-tooled. Release mid-year, hopefully?
I was told by two reps and a inside tech guy about this. The demo at Interbike was rushed thru and nobody (GT) was really happy with it. Evidently being re-tooled. Release mid-year, hopefully?
I rode one back in November. GT had their demo bikes at an event I went to. I was able to ride the Sensor 29r. Very nice bike. Differences being made was with the rear chain stays and the tire clearance that it didn't have. You can barely fit a Kenda SB8 in the 2.1 size in there. So nothing with any type of knob or even a 2.35 or larger. This was noticed on the last Marathon 29r that the Sensor is replacing.
Production models should start hitting the showrooms around April. Or at least that is what the last information that I got from the GT guys.
Also Foes has a 29r Full squish bike, and the Titanium Salsa El Mariachi.
Pretty funny Lynx. I talk with Knolly nearly 1x per week and this ain't happening. I've been hounding them for years. So much so that it makes me want to take matters into my own hands.
Pretty funny Lynx. I talk with Knolly nearly 1x per week and this ain't happening. I've been hounding them for years. So much so that it makes me want to take matters into my own hands.
Later.
CJB
From what we have seen from truefab you can do it
Originally Posted by turnerbikes
Of course the easiest way to fix this is to go for a hike.
DT
WB can't be the only 6" on the market, fork companies are holding the AM segment back from exploding. Come on RS and FOX, lets see something at Sea Otter for the 6" travel 29er segment!
We now need some 29" Nomad Carbon with Fox Carbon 40-29 forx. 100 spoke, Stan's Floatilla rims and Tubeless Gazzalodi's are for sure a must we have. Now.
- All I know is I have my Tallboy finally and she weighed 5 lbs with the headset. Can't wait to get it built!
Sad but true, spoke with Jay today........GOOD things come to those who wait, even more so if builttoride has anything to do with it..(of which he has EVERYTHING to do with it..) CF.
I guess I'm so far unconvinced that we need a better rear axle retention system. Maybe the gravity riders do. The additional axle width should allow less dish, and there is a benefit to that, but the chainline also gets worse.
It's annoying to see too many different standards. Right now for front wheels we've got QR, 15, 20, and 24mm TA. Fortunately, there are a few convertible hubs.
Actually chainline should be improved when used with a newer outboard bearing cranksets that have 50mm chainlines (XT/XTR etc).
WB can't be the only 6" on the market, fork companies are holding the AM segment back from exploding. Come on RS and FOX, lets see something at Sea Otter for the 6" travel 29er segment!
Check out the BikeRumor link below. The article is giving hints about Orbea's new and possibly very different/better Rallon. At the end of the article, the guy hints about Orbea's new 29er in the pipeline. Check it out
Check out the BikeRumor link below. The article is giving hints about Orbea's new and possibly very different/better Rallon. At the end of the article, the guy hints about Orbea's new 29er in the pipeline. Check it out
Not maybe. It is on the way. Three sizes, two colors. It'll show up at Sea Otter at the earliest but is supposed to be available by June. Also- there will be a hydro-formed aluminum model and possibly a FS design to come afterwards.
Sad but true, spoke with Jay today........GOOD things come to those who wait, even more so if builttoride has anything to do with it..(of which he has EVERYTHING to do with it..) CF.
Actually chainline should be improved when used with a newer outboard bearing cranksets that have 50mm chainlines (XT/XTR etc).
Yep, it would improve.
142mm seems to me to be the perfect match for the 29er. Better chainline, stronger wheel and still not too wide like the 150mm.
It would seem that the mountain bike component/frame designers are still figuring it out that mountain biking is nothing like road riding and that we need very specific parts that don't need to match a road bike.
LOL Sadly no not true AFAIK, just wanted to put out a little bait and you're the only one who took it. I like the Endo and think it would make an excellent 29er as well, here's hoping.
Originally Posted by JeremyFXDWG
Is this true? When? Damn ... I want a knolly bad but the thing that was keeping my wallet safe was the lack of a 29er...
Originally Posted by Harold
You're doing mtbr wrong, you're supposed to get increasingly offended by the implications that you're doing ANYTHING wrong.
LOL Sadly no not true AFAIK, just wanted to put out a little bait and you're the only one who took it. I like the Endo and think it would make an excellent 29er as well, here's hoping.
I was hoping even the new Endo XC would take a 650b but all I was told is that it "might" fit but won't be designed for it. The 650b won't fit on the current Endo so I am not getting my hopes up.
I just bought a RIP 9 so that will have to do me for now.
Yep, it would improve.
142mm seems to me to be the perfect match for the 29er. Better chainline, stronger wheel and still not too wide like the 150mm.
It would seem that the mountain bike component/frame designers are still figuring it out that mountain biking is nothing like road riding and that we need very specific parts that don't need to match a road bike.
I'm afraid that the 142mm spacing does not alter chainline at all. It just has 3.5mm spacers on each side that help you slot it into the frame. It does not alter the alignment of the cassette at all.
I'm afraid that the 142mm spacing does not alter chainline at all. It just has 3.5mm spacers on each side that help you slot it into the frame. It does not alter the alignment of the cassette at all.
So, no increase in hub flange spacing, or shifting of the hub to the right, either? I'm not sure I see the point, then.
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Check it out. The way it fits in is designed to make aligning the hub easier (a bit like how a lot of 20mm forks are aligned). It does this job well, and maybe offers a bit more support... but no change th flange spacing, or chain alignment.
Yet another standard for the bike industry... and surprise surprise it is not really necessary, just creates more options and confusion.
I've been riding bicycles since about 1989 regularly but my intensity into the obsession has varied over the ensuing years. I have many hobbies and obsessions so they all take the lead at differing times
I rotated bicycling back to big dog status last year, hit the trails and found my tired 1990 GT Timberline wanting. Found a local shop staffed with some off road riding young "dudes" and they turned me on to 29's. I should go drop off a case of beer of some sort at that shop. I wound up wanting the Specialized Rockhopper Expert 29 and they had none in stock but I found one at another shop. Since then my friends are on 29's, I picked up the Fargo and I'm looking seriously at a Karate Monkey SS. Another shop I was visiting yesterday offered me a great deal on it.
Yeah, the madness grows. I think its basically just bikes in general but I've personally come to just love 29" bikes. Lots of reasons why and for now they just occupy my interest.
And none of you people or this forum is helping treat this sickness. Thanks.
Exactomundo Why in the hell do we need another standard, isn't 135, 150 and 165 enough? What this accomplishes really is nothing, the Maxle System seems to work as easy if not easier and you don't have to have an allen key to tighten it down - from what I gather from their drawings. It's similar to the Manitou 20mm front and I absolutely HATE that fvcking design, you have to be so careful not to overtighten it or risk fvcking up/breaking the lowers and if it's not 100% to spec and you do tighten it properly it can still break
Check it out. The way it fits in is designed to make aligning the hub easier (a bit like how a lot of 20mm forks are aligned). It does this job well, and maybe offers a bit more support... but no change th flange spacing, or chain alignment.
Yet another standard for the bike industry... and surprise surprise it is not really necessary, just creates more options and confusion.
Last edited by LyNx; 02-04-2010 at 08:20 AM.
Originally Posted by Harold
You're doing mtbr wrong, you're supposed to get increasingly offended by the implications that you're doing ANYTHING wrong.
Just got the email.....Vassago ChupaCabra
"We are in the final stages of tweaks for the ChupaCabra aluminum 29er frame that we announced over a year ago.
We have received enough requests for some shots of the final prototypes that we finally gave in. So here you go.
While there may still be some minor changes to the production model, the tube set and profiles are nailed down. We will post some complete bike shots as well as more details in the weeks to come.
The ChupaCabra is scheduled for release later this year."
Just got the email.....Vassago ChupaCabra
"We are in the final stages of tweaks for the ChupaCabra aluminum 29er frame that we announced over a year ago.
We have received enough requests for some shots of the final prototypes that we finally gave in. So here you go.
While there may still be some minor changes to the production model, the tube set and profiles are nailed down. We will post some complete bike shots as well as more details in the weeks to come.
The ChupaCabra is scheduled for release later this year."
Thats hot! I like it alot. Hopefully the early part of the later part of this year
Yeah-the Chupacabra! I heard 100mm plus travel geo. and Hammershmidt tabs with a burly dropout area-hardcore stuff! I want an affordable Hammershmidt frame-i think this one is gonna be da bomb!
Just got the email.....Vassago ChupaCabra
"We are in the final stages of tweaks for the ChupaCabra aluminum 29er frame that we announced over a year ago.
We have received enough requests for some shots of the final prototypes that we finally gave in. So here you go.
While there may still be some minor changes to the production model, the tube set and profiles are nailed down. We will post some complete bike shots as well as more details in the weeks to come.
The ChupaCabra is scheduled for release later this year."
Awe dang! I want it just for the name, but it has Hammershmidt tabs too?
Whoa Orbea Rallon looks like a dead on successor to a Cannondale Prophet 29.
but...since I can't afford a full suspension 29er right now, and I don't really the need for one...the Vassago ChupaCabra may very well be my next bike.
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Originally Posted by Harold
What this accomplishes really is nothing, the Maxle System seems to work as easy if not easier and you don't have to have an allen key to tighten it down - from what I gather from their drawings. It's similar to the Manitou 20mm front and I absolutely HATE that fvcking design, you have to be so careful not to overtighten it or risk fvcking up/breaking the lowers 
