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    Alchemy Arktos 29ST

    As there is no Alchemy bikes manufacturers thread I figured I'd get something rolling here.

    I'm looking around, deciding what my next ride will be and the Arktos 29ST has caught my eye.

    https://alchemybicycles.com/product/arktos-29-st_gray/

    https://alchemybicycles.com/product/arktos-29st-blue/

    The issue so far, as they are still quite new there is not a lot of information about such as ride reports or reviews etc.

    Bike Mag just released their 'Mid travel 29er - 2019 Bible of Bikes Tests' and they seemed to like the 29ST (note: the rear travel is actually 120mm and not 130mm, confirmed by Joel @ Alchemy).

    https://www.bikemag.com/2019-bible-t...emy-arktos-29/

    So...

    - Who's actually got one?
    - Who's ridden one and what did you think, how did it compare to other bikes you know?
    - Who's seen one up close and personal?
    - Who's got some photos and what do the two colour options look like in the flesh?
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    Edit: I was asked in a PM if I have any connection with Alchemy bikes? No (but if they want to do me a deal ) the Arktos just seems like a bike I'd like to ride.
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    Talking with Alchemy:

    - The Arktos 29ST is 120mm rear, 140mm front (and not 130mm as the Bike Mag review mentions)
    - Frames weigh 6.83lbs
    - A complete XO1 build comes in at 28.5lbs

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    As an interesting side note i think the ďsineĒ suspension is a variation of the original ďswitchĒ suspension Yeti used before moving to ďswitch infinityĒ. I believe yeti only had a three year exclusive on the original technology.

    Anyone know for sure? David Earle is designer of both suspension systems and if true i am surprised its not more widely discussed.

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    There have a few Alchemy threads over the past few years. Not many posts overall. You might try to find them and link to them in this thread.
    What, me worry?

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    I am also interested in this bike----I have trouble with really long reaches and this is 454 in a large which could be good. Also the pricing is really good and you get a Factory Fox 36 and DPX2---for a similar non factory build to Pivot and you save about $1000.

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    The stack height is really high for some reason??

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    Remember I believe this is the same frame as their long travel 29er-----tlook at the specs and you will see this----so the stack if more mountain oriented.

    But for those of us with really long legs we tend to need more stack or a higher rise-our seats are way up so with low stack we are leaned over more than I want---part of why I am interested in the bike.

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    I've been looking at the longer travel version too, the long seat tube on the XL and the superboost is a bit of a bummer as I would need to build another wheel but apart from that it looks good.

    No XL frames in stock at the minute, still waiting on them getting back to me for an expected delivery date.

    Strange how the low end build comes with a 150 dropper and the three higher models come with only a 125.

    This bike and the new Hightower are front runners for me (whenever the latter is released)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pctloper View Post
    Remember I believe this is the same frame as their long travel 29er-----tlook at the specs and you will see this----so the stack if more mountain oriented.

    But for those of us with really long legs we tend to need more stack or a higher rise-our seats are way up so with low stack we are leaned over more than I want---part of why I am interested in the bike.
    Agreed and after looking at it again the stack on their medium is pretty close to my Offering in the same size but their large get's further apart which is good for you longer legged chaps.

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    I just pulled the trigger and ordered one w/ the XO1 build this morning. This will be my first 29er.

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    Which color did you end up going with?

    Quote Originally Posted by dc40 View Post
    I just pulled the trigger and ordered one w/ the XO1 build this morning. This will be my first 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    Which color did you end up going with?
    I ended up going with gray, which looks more like a off white with blue lettering.

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    Any updates? Initial impressions?

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    Got to take out this weekend on a mixture of terrain, flowy single track, technical rock short downhills, and smooth/rocky uphills. The bike excelled in all areas and couldn't be happier.


    I mostly ride park/downhill... my previous trail bike is 2014 Commencal Meta AM v3 (150mm front/rear & 275 wheels).


    This was my first 29er. I was surprised how nimble the bike is. I feel it's more playful than the commencals I was on. The bike pedals extremely well, never had to lockout the rear suspension, kept it in open the entire time. Couldn't really feel any bobbing on uphills or flats (27% sag setting), rear track well too. I never rode VPP or DW-Link bikes, so I cannot compare how it performs against them. The 75.5 STA is nice, compared to my previous bike. It couldn't even tell how slack front end was when climbing, compare with my other bike, weighting the front was always problem on steep climbs. The bike defiantly shines going doing hill and wants to be pushed. Rear suspension felt really good.. I need to be careful, because geos let's you attack like you are on a bigger bike w/ more suspension vs 120mm bike. The bike does feel like you are sitting higher when seated, I assuming that is because of the 75.5 STA... I thought had more clearance between the cranks and ground, so I had few pedal strikes climbing and/or coming out of turning when pedaling in rocky sections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dc40 View Post
    Got to take out this weekend on a mixture of terrain, flowy single track, technical rock short downhills, and smooth/rocky uphills. The bike excelled in all areas and couldn't be happier.


    I mostly ride park/downhill... my previous trail bike is 2014 Commencal Meta AM v3 (150mm front/rear & 275 wheels).


    This was my first 29er. I was surprise how nimble the bike is. I feel it more playful than the commencals I was on. The bike pedals extremely well, never had to lockout the rear suspension, kept in open the entire time. Couldn't really feel any bobbing on uphills or flats (27% sag setting), rear track well too. I never rode VPP or DW-Link bikes, so I cannot compare how it performs against them. The 75.5 STA is nice, compare to my previous bike. It couldn't even tell how slack front end was when climbing, compare with my other bike, weighting the front was always problem on steep climbs. The bike defiantly shines going doing hill and wants to be push. Rear suspension felt really good.. I need to be care, because geos let's you attack like you are on a bigger bike w/ more suspension vs 120mm bike. The bike does feel like you are sitting higher when seated, I assuming that is because of the 75.5 STA... I thought had more clearance between the cranks and ground, so I had few pedal strikes climbing and/or coming out of turning when pedaling in rocky sections.
    Cool! Keep posting updates!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dc40 View Post
    Got to take out this weekend on a mixture of terrain, flowy single track, technical rock short downhills, and smooth/rocky uphills. The bike excelled in all areas and couldn't be happier.

    The bike does feel like you are sitting higher when seated, I assuming that is because of the 75.5 STA... I thought had more clearance between the cranks and ground, so I had few pedal strikes climbing and/or coming out of turning when pedaling in rocky sections.
    The BB height is listed at 13.23" - standard fare in today's bikes - I would prefer 13.5" Is there any chance you could switch out to 170 mm cranks and see if you get an improvement?

    Bike looks fantastic - enjoy your new ride!

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    Thanks dc40! This bike looks like it is everything I am looking for in a short travel daily go to bike. I am seriously contemplating it!

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    Naya....I LOVE my alchemy. Big fan.. The bike rides incredibly; and in comparison to many other bikes of the same exact type, it's the best I've owned/ridden.

    I highly recommend it.

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    Iíve been emailing Joe at Arktos to set up a demo on home trails. My schedule and Alchemyís wonít come together for a month or so. Iím itching to ride one of these!

    Hereís a thought. The ST uses the same front and rear triangle as the 140mm Arktos, right? Different shock and, presumably at least one different link... so it I were to buy an ST, which Iím thinking would be the right bike for my home trails, what would I need to convert it to a 160/140 full Arktos for, say, a trip to Moab?

    Does the Fox 36 still use spacers for travel adjustment, or would it need an air shaft?

    Has anyone looked in to the differences in links/ shock?
    Enquiring minds want to know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    Iíve been emailing Joe at Arktos to set up a demo on home trails. My schedule and Alchemyís wonít come together for a month or so. Iím itching to ride one of these!

    Hereís a thought. The ST uses the same front and rear triangle as the 140mm Arktos, right? Different shock and, presumably at least one different link... so it I were to buy an ST, which Iím thinking would be the right bike for my home trails, what would I need to convert it to a 160/140 full Arktos for, say, a trip to Moab?

    Does the Fox 36 still use spacers for travel adjustment, or would it need an air shaft?

    Has anyone looked in to the differences in links/ shock?
    Enquiring minds want to know.


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    I asked the similar questions, but didn't go as deep. Frame and swingarm same, they indicated linkage and shock would need to be changed, because the ST rear shock is tuned for 120mm. I didn't ask about the front fork. Bikeco.com is another good POC, as they have specific custom shock tunes for Arktos and I believe are Cody Kelly sponsor.

    IMO, how capable the ST, you probably don't need to upgrade to 160/140.

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    The BikeCo tune for the rear shock is CRAZY good. Makes the rear end work really well. It's a pretty sweet setup....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zonic Man View Post
    The BikeCo tune for the rear shock is CRAZY good. Makes the rear end work really well. It's a pretty sweet setup....
    Have you ridden the bike with stock tune?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    Have you ridden the bike with stock tune?
    I have ridden it with the stock tune. While good; it's at the limits of what they can do for a shock that is for "everyone" if you catch my drift.

    I filled out a long form, had an interview, and I have to say--they nailed the tune. I don't know how, but they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zonic Man View Post
    I have ridden it with the stock tune. While good; it's at the limits of what they can do for a shock that is for "everyone" if you catch my drift.

    I filled out a long form, had an interview, and I have to say--they nailed the tune. I don't know how, but they did.
    Thanks. Good to know.
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    I ended up copying you. I should have it next week.

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    I ended up going with gray, which looks more like a off white with blue lettering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    I ended up copying you. I should have it next week.
    Nice, what build did you ended up going with. I see now they have the XT 12 speed as an option.

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    I don't really have anything to compare it to, I bought a large Arktos ST with the XT build in July as a return to mountain biking after a 3.5 year hiatus.

    That being said, it beats the hell out of what I remember 29ers and mountain bikes in general being like. I was easily riding things I wouldn't have considered on my old SC superlight 29. I like that you get factory level suspension on all builds, but would've preferred a 150mm dropper. I think the reason they spec a 125 is due to the longer seat tube mast above the top tube. I have a 34" inseam with a short torso and could easily make a 150mm work, but someone who's the same height with a different build might not be able to get the seat low enough.
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    I am doing a self build. Going with full XTR except XT SB cranks, Pike Ultimate, Bike Yoke Dropper and 1530g DT 240 carbon wheelset.

    Light grey frame, silver Pike and XTR shouldnít be hard on the eyes. Certainly different than all the murdered out bikes out there. I am hoping for a lightweight versatile build that I can switch out tires depending on the situation.

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    Letís see it! This thread needs pics. The alchemy builds are a step above most other companies for sure. Factory DPX2 and 36 fork and a non disposable wheelset at a solid price

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    I don't really have anything to compare it to, I bought a large Arktos ST with the XT build in July as a return to mountain biking after a 3.5 year hiatus.

    That being said, it beats the hell out of what I remember 29ers and mountain bikes in general being like. I was easily riding things I wouldn't have considered on my old SC superlight 29. I like that you get factory level suspension on all builds, but would've preferred a 150mm dropper. I think the reason they spec a 125 is due to the longer seat tube mast above the top tube. I have a 34" inseam with a short torso and could easily make a 150mm work, but someone who's the same height with a different build might not be able to get the seat low enough.

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    I don't stop to take photos too often, so I only have a few:

    Alchemy Arktos 29ST-2gguujel.jpg

    Alchemy Arktos 29ST-arkmb0ol.jpg

    Alchemy Arktos 29ST-kojwirtl.jpg


    I haven't done anything to it yet expect buy some clear film to put over most of the frame. I've tried a few different grips in search of a solution for my hands hurting on long, rough downhills, but haven't found anything satisfactory yet.

    I don't think I'll change anything beyond the seat and maybe spring for a one up carbon bar if ESI chunky silicone grips don't solve the hand problems. I might get a 54T ratchet for the rear hub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikinAggie View Post
    I don't stop to take photos too often, so I only have a few:







    I haven't done anything to it yet expect buy some clear film to put over most of the frame. I've tried a few different grips in search of a solution for my hands hurting on long, rough downhills, but haven't found anything satisfactory yet.

    I don't think I'll change anything beyond the seat and maybe spring for a one up carbon bar if ESI chunky silicone grips don't solve the hand problems. I might get a 54T ratchet for the rear hub.
    Mght just be me, but pics arenít showing up.
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    I used [img] tags like I'm used to on most forums, seems MTBR likes it more when I attach it with a direct link. Should be all good now.

    Just to keep adding to the thread, I bought in straight from Alchemy HQ, which is about 15 minutes from my house. They set the brakes up moto style for me and were running a nice discount on 11spd XT bikes.
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    Can anyone that has, or had ridden, a 29ST compare to other bikes for points of reference?

    BikinAggie, I know you said youíre coming off a Superlight 29. The Arktos is ďbetterĒ across the board?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    Can anyone that has, or had ridden, a 29ST compare to other bikes for points of reference?

    BikinAggie, I know you said youíre coming off a Superlight 29. The Arktos is ďbetterĒ across the board?
    The superlight was better at really tight turns, that's about it. I can climb better with the Arktos because I have more traction due to tires and the suspension, it just rolls forward and grips. Descending isn't even a fair comparison, 3* slacker head angle, a 50mm vs 100mm stem, more and better damped suspension travel, chunkier tires on wider rims, a much stiffer frame and wheelset. The arktos is just way more fun to ride. I think my 1st or 2nd ride I was going over features I wouldn't have even tried on the Superlight because I'd have been OTB, and now that I'm used to it, I can climb things on the Arktos that would've intimidated me on the superlight. I bet I'd be having similar fun on a yeti SB130, revel rascal, GG trail pistol, SC hightower, etc. There are tons of really fun, beefy mid travel 29ers out there right now!

    I ended up on the Arktos because the Bike mag review brought it to my attention, it was specced the way I wanted with little to no compromises for the money, and I can go to Alchemy over lunch from my office. The biggest problem I have now is do I want to go for a mountain bike ride on great trails, or go for a motorcycle ride on great roads.
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    Alchemy Arktos 29ST

    Thanks for your responses, guys.

    Iím pretty interested in purchasing one of these bikes. But thereís a little voice nagging at me about buying a bike sight unseen and without a chance to demo.

    Then I realized... Iíve been MTBing since 1988 and Iíve never demoed a bike before buying. Crazy, right?

    My first Stumpjumper, in 1988 ,I acquired used as payment for rent.
    1997 a new SC Heckler as I liked the simple design. Followed by a Superlight when the Heckler was stolen... brief time on a Ventana before going with a SC Tallboy LT in 2012. I did demo a Tallboy in 2010 or 11 when they came out, bought the Tallboy LT sight unseen.

    Over 30 years of MTBing - never a demo before buying... Since then Iíve demoed a few bikes for fun; the last couple, a Trail 429 & a Ripmo, opened my eyes a little to modern bike geo. Maybe planted the new-bikeitis seed.

    Now wanting this 29ST... please feel free to talk me out of it.
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    Never demo before with my last 4 bike purchases and all where unseen via online. All purchases have been based on reviews. I never had an issue or regrets.

    The bike is super capable and fun to ride. You cannot beat the suspension specs, lifetime warranty, and Alchemy 's customer support and their responsiveness is superb from my experience.

    pull the trigger!


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    Alchemy Arktos 29ST-img_3220.jpg

    Received this today. 1st ride review:

    "Climbs like a goat"
    "Climbs better than me"
    "Corners on rails"
    "Accelerates like a scalded monkey"
    "Velco-like traction on technical climbs"
    "poppy"
    "likes to get rowdy"
    "incredible mid-stroke support"
    "feels like a hover bike"
    "its quiet"
    "feels like it has more travel than it does"

    Now I need unbox my new frame and get the build started.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
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    Received this today. 1st ride review:

    "Climbs like a goat"
    "Climbs better than me"
    "Corners on rails"
    "Accelerates like a scalded monkey"
    "Velco-like traction on technical climbs"
    "poppy"
    "likes to get rowdy"
    "incredible mid-stroke support"
    "feels like a hover bike"
    "its quiet"
    "feels like it has more travel than it does"

    Now I need unbox my new frame and get the build started.....
    You forgot "pedals for you".

    Haha good stuff...Anyone ever see an Arktos running RockShox?

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    Dammit, missed one. If I had a better memory I could leverage the best terms from Mountain Bike Action from 1994 - Present.

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    Alchemy Arktos 29ST

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    Received this today. 1st ride review:

    "Climbs like a goat"
    "Climbs better than me"
    "Corners on rails"
    "Accelerates like a scalded monkey"
    "Velco-like traction on technical climbs"
    "poppy"
    "likes to get rowdy"
    "incredible mid-stroke support"
    "feels like a hover bike"
    "its quiet"
    "feels like it has more travel than it does"

    Now I need unbox my new frame and get the build started.....
    Man! That is a sweet lookiní box! It looks fast just sitting still. Iíll bet itís vertically stiff and literally compliant!

    I totally love that classic cardboard color, and the graphics are over the top.
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    I cant wait to hear your feedback.... just sold my ripmo and have an hard Time to choose between new ripley and this arktos ST

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    I was in the same position as you looking at the Artkos, Ripley, Tallboy and Rascal.

    I am still waiting for my fork but I currently have my XL Arktos build up with a placeholder longer travel coil fork. Without riding the bike I can say the following:

    My XL frame weighed in at 7.1lbs. .25lbs of the weight is due to the Arktos coming with a real shock (DPX2) vs the DPS that come on the Ripley and Tallboy. The little extra frame weight compared to my old Ripley LS is welcomed as the Alchemy feels pretty robust in a way that it will better withstand a little abuse. Ibis's are really light weight but from my personal experience shows that a carbon layup that light sacrifices a little in brute durability. Sounds like the Arktos doesn't give up anything on the climbs but is more capable going down. If this ends up being the case I think I will end up being very happy.

    My Artktos with mostly XTR+Pike Ultimate build will be right at 28lbs.

    I watched the Bible of Bike test on the Ripley, Arktos and Rascal many times and am hopeful I made the right decision.

    Other things, Alchemy's complete bike pricing seems much better than their competitors. Plus I think they are offering a Evoc bike case for free with complete builds right now.

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    Can not wait to hear your fisrt ride review as my last 3 Bike was a ripley LS an evil folowing and a Ripmo. My main concern are about to loose playfulnest and popiness and get a slower Bike for going up.

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    Glamor Shots

    A few Glamor Shots. Fresh off the stand, have not really even sat on the thing yet. Came out at 28.3lbs fully built, 27.6lbs without the pedals.

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    Oshittt sick Bike!!! Iím in love 😍

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    I would be all over this bike if it wasn't super boost... Really don't feel like buying a new hub and rebuilding a wheelset.

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    Just got mine last week. Havenít gotten a chance to ride it yet, as I was lucky enough to have the World Cup races near me this past weekend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickSilverZ View Post
    I would be all over this bike if it wasn't super boost... Really don't feel like buying a new hub and rebuilding a wheelset.
    Problem solved w/ superboost adapter: https://problemsolversbike.com/produ...-_rear_-_j1167

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    ^^ Not into that idea..

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedi77racer View Post
    Can not wait to hear your fisrt ride review as my last 3 Bike was a ripley LS an evil folowing and a Ripmo. My main concern are about to loose playfulnest and popiness and get a slower Bike for going up.
    The bike is very playful. It felt good in the air on a couple medium size hits. It pedals extermely well climbing... I couldn't feel any energy loss/transfer and wheel tracks well in technical rocky climbs. Bible of Bike Test said it was one best climbers of all bikes tested.

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    I was lucky to already have a Super Boost wheel but I cast a large net when shopping for my next bike. I was ready to go back to boost if needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by QuickSilverZ View Post
    I would be all over this bike if it wasn't super boost... Really don't feel like buying a new hub and rebuilding a wheelset.

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    I did a shakedown ride around my neighboorhood to make sure my build wasn't infected by any shoddy craftsmanship. About 1,500' up and down.

    First thing, I love the geometry and how the thing handles. It climbs in a crazy efficient manner. My last bike felt like it wanted to go straight, this one feels like it wants to carve. I also don't see myself ever using the switch on the rear shock. I have the LSC open and may leave it there, we will see. If Alchemy had the market budget that Santa Cruz and Ibis's does everybody would be riding one. It is that good.

    The XTR drivetrain is out of this world. I went from XT Di2 and have ridden a lot of Eagle on rental bikes and the XTR is unreal. Too bad more new bike builds are going with GX Eagle vs. XT 12sp...

    The Pike Ultimate is the first air sprung fork I have not hated. I was planning to do the Push HC97 upgrade because I expected it to suck but I will hold off for now until I put it through some bigger rides. I still have a lot of experimenting with HSC, LSC, PSI and tokens, etc, etc.

    I have not test ridden my last 17 bike purchases since 1998. I have made some mistakes along the way but not on this one. A++

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    Thanks Bigdrunk! Feel free to add you comments after your next ride. I love this kind of review! cheers

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    "bigdrunk": is the 13.2" BB a non-issue (pedal strikes)? did you go with 170mm cranks? thanks!

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    With how low all the BBís are now days pedal strikes are going to be an issue where I ride. Going with 170mm cranks will help with this frame for sure, but I will still need to pay attention to what I am doing to minimize strikes.

    Nothing will be worse than my 2016 Ripley LS 325mm BB w/175mm cranks.

    IMHO 13.5Ē BB is best for where I ride


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    Which one did you go with?

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    On my side i will pull the trigger on a medium one !!!!! Cheers!

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    You guys going complete builds or frame only?

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    Alchemy Arktos 29ST

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    Which one did you go with?
    Kinda hard to say. Ordered it from The Bike Company. There are no XL 29 STs available, so Alchemy offered to swap shock and links from a grey and red 29 frame. So it will be a grey/red 29 ST. (Would have loved the vanilla, but also not available.)

    Mostly GX build, XTR brakes, X01 cranks w/30t ring.
    Deleted/credited for cassette, seat post, seat, grips. Will use eThirteen 9-50 cassette, 9point8 dropper, Selle Italia SLR saddle, and ESI grips - parts I already have and am happy to put on the new ride.

    I foresee updating bar and stem for fit and weight, and an I9 Hydra & carbon rim wheel set is in its future.

    XO AXS derailleur and shifter if I can find a set for a reasonable (??) price down the road. At which point only the chain would be GX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    You guys going complete builds or frame only?
    Complete with subs/deletions. I looked at frame only and it would have been much more $$ to arrive at what I wanted.
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    On my side ....i just sold a kidney to order a vanilla Arktos 29 with the ST link and shock and i expect to build with xx1 axs and Enve wheelset and cockpit

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    Just had mine out again. I LOVE it. It does everything so freaking well. The Arktos is a sleeper. All I can say is if you think the geometry works for you, don't sweat ordering one without riding.

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    Gonna be nice! I really like the vanilla color. I wonder how much the links cost to convert to 140mm

    Quote Originally Posted by speedi77racer View Post
    On my side ....i just sold a kidney to order a vanilla Arktos 29 with the ST link and shock and i expect to build with xx1 axs and Enve wheelset and cockpit

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    Hummm i would guess about 150-200$.

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    Alchemy Arktos 29ST

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    Gonna be nice! I really like the vanilla color. I wonder how much the links cost to convert to 140mm
    I believe itís links and shock.

    But wondering if possible to raise the BB a ľĒ with different link or shock stroke.
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    Yeah ó that vanilla and brown is really sweet. If that had been available Iíd have been all over it.
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    That could be worth a phone call to Alchemy. The low BBís on all the new bikes isnít the best thing for the riding in my area. Same i-2-i measurement on both the 140mm and 120mm so it should just be a matter of new link(s).

    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    I believe itís links and shock.

    But wondering if possible to raise the BB a ľĒ with different link or shock stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    That could be worth a phone call to Alchemy. The low BBís on all the new bikes isnít the best thing for the riding in my area. Same i-2-i measurement on both the 140mm and 120mm so it should just be a matter of new link(s).
    The travel comes from the stroke. Both run common strokes so I doubt there is a spacer you can just remove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    That could be worth a phone call to Alchemy. The low BBís on all the new bikes isnít the best thing for the riding in my area. Same i-2-i measurement on both the 140mm and 120mm so it should just be a matter of new link(s).
    They have specific shock tunes for 140 vs 120. After having some seat time on the bike, pedal strikes have not been an issue for me anymore riding in PA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dc40 View Post
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    After having some seat time on the bike, pedal strikes have not been an issue for me anymore riding in PA.
    Good to know!
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    Can anyone tell me what rear thru-axle these bikes come with? Is it the DT Swiss?

    Also, thoughts on real-world rear tire clearance? How much extra room back there with the 2.4? Room for a bigger tire? I've been running Maxxis and/or Bontrager 29x2.6 on my current bike... Fairly dry/clean climate.
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    I don't know the brand of the rear thru axle, you just tighten it with a 5mm allen key.

    There is plenty of room on each side of the 2.4" dhr. I think a 2.6" would fit. I can hit it with some calipers tomorrow.

    I rode mine at Apex Park in Golden, CO this past weekend. The upper part of the trail was super blown out with tons of holes and braking bumps, and the lower portion is very chunky with rocks everywhere.

    No issues making it down anything with total confidence, it's nuts how easy it feels to ride things I wouldn't have attempted in the past on older bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikinAggie View Post
    I don't know the brand of the rear thru axle, you just tighten it with a 5mm allen key.

    There is plenty of room on each side of the 2.4" dhr. I think a 2.6" would fit. I can hit it with some calipers tomorrow.

    I rode mine at Apex Park in Golden, CO this past weekend. The upper part of the trail was super blown out with tons of holes and braking bumps, and the lower portion is very chunky with rocks everywhere.

    No issues making it down anything with total confidence, it's nuts how easy it feels to ride things I wouldn't have attempted in the past on older bikes.
    Thanks for the info.

    My current bike has the DT Swiss axle which sticks out a bit more than than I like. Sounds like the Arktos rear axle is basically flush.
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    Hey all! I am typically a lurker here. I think this is my second time posting, but I just had to chime in.

    I received the Arktos 29 about a week ago. I have about 3 rides on it so far. If you are on the fence about buying this bike, I say go for it! I have been riding/racing for about 25 years and this is by far the best bike I have ever ridden! And I have had more bikes than I care to admit to.

    Anyway, at this point in my life, I was looking for a full suspension rig that would be kind to my older, beat up body and the Arktos hit the nail on the head for me. Most of my riding is in the South Carolina/North Carolina area. Some trails are technical and some are not that technical. I have to tell you, this bike is even good as a cross country machine. It does everything so well.

    Thanks for listening...one happy Alchemy Arktos owner!

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    Your thoughts match mine. The rear suspension is amazing but the thing I am most impressed by is the geometry and handing. If there was one thing I wished it could do better I couldn't come up with anything. Climbing, descending, fast, slow, straight, twisty, flat, rough, it does it all flawlessly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Iluv2bike62 View Post
    Hey all! I am typically a lurker here. I think this is my second time posting, but I just had to chime in.

    I received the Arktos 29 about a week ago. I have about 3 rides on it so far. If you are on the fence about buying this bike, I say go for it! I have been riding/racing for about 25 years and this is by far the best bike I have ever ridden! And I have had more bikes than I care to admit to.

    Anyway, at this point in my life, I was looking for a full suspension rig that would be kind to my older, beat up body and the Arktos hit the nail on the head for me. Most of my riding is in the South Carolina/North Carolina area. Some trails are technical and some are not that technical. I have to tell you, this bike is even good as a cross country machine. It does everything so well.

    Thanks for listening...one happy Alchemy Arktos owner!

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    Finally got out on mine today for the first time. I am super impressed! Great all around! This bike replaced my Yeti SB4.5. I also have a Yeti SB6 that I use for bigger all mountain rides, enduro races, and bike park visits. Iím now thinking about replacing the SB6 with a DH bike and using the Arktos ST for everything from XC to Enduro. Iíll update as I get more miles on it.

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    I wanted to try and love this bike but there is no way in CA----even thought of taking a Denver short vacation but in the end did not work out----I hope they find someway to provide demo's for those of us simply not comfortable buying w/o at least a short ride. This company has made road bikes for many years and the local dealers here all had demo bikes so they have experience with this----hopefully they find some solution--really tough here in Norcal where Santa Cruz/IBIS/Specialized/Trek/Giant/Transistion/Yeti/Norco all make this easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by pctloper View Post
    I wanted to try and love this bike but there is no way in CA----even thought of taking a Denver short vacation but in the end did not work out----I hope they find someway to provide demo's for those of us simply not comfortable buying w/o at least a short ride. This company has made road bikes for many years and the local dealers here all had demo bikes so they have experience with this----hopefully they find some solution--really tough here in Norcal where Santa Cruz/IBIS/Specialized/Trek/Giant/Transistion/Yeti/Norco all make this easy
    They do have a demo center in California. I know SoCal is still a trek depending g on where you are.

    They will ship you a bike to your for demo - but it costs (less than a trip to Denver.)
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    Alchemy Arktos 29ST

    ... after planning a demo at home (schedule didnít work out) I finally just ordered one sight unseen.

    Iíll post up in a couple weeks after Iíve gotten a few rides whether I feel Iíve made a good decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    ... after planning a demo at home (schedule didnít work out) I finally just ordered one sight unseen.

    Iíll post up in a couple weeks after Iíve gotten a few rides whether I feel Iíve made a good decision.

    Hello Reamer

    How does it work to setting up an home demo?

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    Interesting when I twice spoke with them they did not say anything about a SOCAL demo place. Have any detail ?

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    Big find-----they have partnered with demoworx here in CA and have a rolling fleet with several demo days and offices in San Diego and Folsom----which is just 2 hours from here----excited again
    And the demo for a day is FREE---

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedi77racer View Post
    Hello Reamer

    How does it work to setting up an home demo?
    Email or call them to get the ball rolling. They ship the bike out and after the demo you ship it back.

    Thereís also an online chat function on their website.
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    Demoworx don't have any Arktos ST available for demo. Just the regular Arktos. I also checked with The Bike Company in Lake Forest who are the So CA Alchemy demo center. Same story they only have the regular Arktos available for demo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pctloper View Post
    Interesting when I twice spoke with them they did not say anything about a SOCAL demo place. Have any detail ?
    https://bikeco.com/

    It is listed on Alchemyís website under Demo - it was last I checked, anyway.
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    My Arktos ST was delivered today. Just hours after I left home for a 3-day work trip.
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    Now that is a major bummer.

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    Got home from work last night and it was hard to ignore the bike box waiting for me in the garage.... This morning I unboxed and assembled 'her'. The Bike Company had done a nice job of building, disassembling and packing. Bike want together easily and quickly. A few parts, cassette and dropper, were not included as I already had the parts I wanted to use.

    I got a quick ride this afternoon. Nice! Definitely different from the 2012 Santa Cruz Tallboy LT I've been riding for the past 7.5 years. No PRs, nor was I trying. I just wanted to get a feel for the bike and and get comfortable on it. Beautiful afternoon for a ride!

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    The above bike IS and Arktos 29 ST. Alchemy didn't have the STs in stock so they swapped links and shock and sent it out.

    The XR4 2.6 tire fits out back with no problem. Lots of room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    The above bike IS and Arktos 29 ST. Alchemy didn't have the STs in stock so they swapped links and shock and sent it out. The XR4 2.6 tire fits out back with no problem. Lots of room.
    did you have any problems with the brake and derailleur cables exiting the downtube and transition onto the chainstays hitting the rear tire? this was a minor problem that a reviewer pointed out - thanks! bike lots great!! looking forward to your comparison review to the SC

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    Quote Originally Posted by starre View Post
    did you have any problems with the brake and derailleur cables exiting the downtube and transition onto the chainstays hitting the rear tire?
    The two work arounds:
    - adding a zip tie where they exit the tube.

    - How alchemy installs the cables, they cross when they exit the down tube. I believe if you had them not cross... Then have the intend cable coming out the same side would have better alignment with the chain stay to the brakes or derailleur. I had considered trying because cables where initially rubbing w/ 2.5. I was able to play with the cables, so they won't rub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starre View Post
    did you have any problems with the brake and derailleur cables exiting the downtube and transition onto the chainstays hitting the rear tire? this was a minor problem that a reviewer pointed out - thanks! bike lots great!! looking forward to your comparison review to the SC
    Initially I had a little tire-derailleur cable rub when the suspension compressed. I pulled some cable from the to make a bigger bend there to clear the tire.

    I think I may zip tie ithe cable to the chainstay to ensure it stays clear of the tire.
    Not thrilled with the routing there.
    I believe the cable holes in the main triangle are angled for the cross over so rerouting to avoid the crossover might not work without some minor mod. Not something I want to do on a new frame.
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    I didnít cross the cables on my build but could see where it might help. Without crossing I am not getting any rub with a 2.4Ē XR4.


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    Initially I had a little tire-derailleur cable rub when the suspension compressed. I pulled some cable from the to make a bigger bend there to clear the tire.

    I think I may zip tie ithe cable to the chainstay to ensure it stays clear of the tire.
    Not thrilled with the routing there.
    I believe the cable holes in the main triangle are angled for the cross over so rerouting to avoid the crossover might not work without some minor mod. Not something I want to do on a new frame.

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    Sweet setup. I think you will be breaking all your PRís pretty quick.

    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    Got home from work last night and it was hard to ignore the bike box waiting for me in the garage.... This morning I unboxed and assembled 'her'. The Bike Company had done a nice job of building, disassembling and packing. Bike want together easily and quickly. A few parts, cassette and dropper, were not included as I already had the parts I wanted to use.

    I got a quick ride this afternoon. Nice! Definitely different from the 2012 Santa Cruz Tallboy LT I've been riding for the past 7.5 years. No PRs, nor was I trying. I just wanted to get a feel for the bike and and get comfortable on it. Beautiful afternoon for a ride!

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    Seat Post -- *9Point 8 Fall Line
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    Brakes -- #XTR 9100
    Rotors -- Shimano 180/160mm Center Lock Ice Tech Rotor
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    reamer41 I also have a Tallboy LT which I'm looking at replacing very soon. How does it climb and what is the weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyman View Post
    reamer41 I also have a Tallboy LT which I'm looking at replacing very soon. How does it climb and what is the weight?
    I donít know about the weight. Somehow I can afford the bikes but not a scale?

    I think in the current set up the Arktos is a little heavier than the TBLTc. I was on a large SC, and Iíd gone to a Fox 36 in 2015, and a CCinline shock, King hubs and carbon rims. The tires on the SC are lighter than the XR4s on the Arktos, and the bar and stem are also a bit heavier on the new bike.

    I think newer bikes are a bit heavier due to bigger frames. The Tallboy 4 frame is heavier than my old TBLTc. The Arktos has great shocks and those are a little heavier too.

    The bike climbs well. My short ride on the Alchemy was the day after getting home late from an overseas trip so I wouldnít say I was anything but fatigued to start.

    I did notice some bob in the rear shock. I flipped the lever to the middle position and that stopped it.
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    Whew. I guess I will keep my ST. Pinkbike likes it.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review...tos-29-st.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    Whew. I guess I will keep my ST. Pinkbike likes it.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review...tos-29-st.html
    Interestingly (or controversially, or maybe even not surprisingly, for those who hate the PB crowd), this bike (and the level of quality of the review) was not discussed favourably in the comment section below. Not sure what that was all about, but the review seemed to generate a lot of similar responses.
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    Yeah I saw that. Lots of ďseat post too longĒ, ďseat tube angle .5d too slackĒ, ďnot as good of a value as a FezzariĒ, blah, blah, blah. Typical sh!t people talk about things they have not ridden.


    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Interestingly, this bike (and the level of quality of the review) was almost universally ripped to shreds in the comment section below.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    Yeah I saw that. Lots of ďseat post too longĒ, ďseat tube angle .5d too slackĒ, ďnot as good of a value as a FezzariĒ, blah, blah, blah. Typical sh!t people talk about things they have not ridden.
    So on the money!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    Yeah I saw that. Lots of ďseat post too longĒ, ďseat tube angle .5d too slackĒ, ďnot as good of a value as a FezzariĒ, blah, blah, blah. Typical sh!t people talk about things they have not ridden.
    So wait, if the same seat tube length was too long on a previous bike, people need to ride this one to know it's still too long?
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    The seat tube is among the longest of any of the new bikes I've seen and the reach is one of the shortest. Besides that, there doesn't seem to be anything outstanding about the bike. 66.1 HTA is on the more conservative side, 436mm chainstays are very average, 75.5 STA is nothing special etc.

    The review sounded more like an ad with tons of marketing terms. Really just left a bad taste in my mouth. Then the whole chainstay debate - I really don't know what's happening anymore. I've got a Canfield Riot with 414mm chainstays, people complain about the short chainstays pushing more weight to the back and lifting the front wheel on climbs. RC argues that short chainstays help improve climbing traction - something I personally don't believe in. While the Riot climbs steep stuff well, I would attribute that more to its 77 degree STA than the chainstays.

    Short chainstays used to be the marketing point, with the "extra maneuverability" they offered, now it's back to long chainstays for "more stability". Is it going to tip back to short chainstays again? Who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix864 View Post
    The seat tube is among the longest of any of the new bikes I've seen
    it's like then never thought of the 5'11'' person with a 32'' inseam.

    That 19'' seat tube makes it a no go for me, unless I want a 100mm dropper. While I don't need anything close to 200mm dropper- I want more than 100mm.

    Funny how the people the numbers work for, spew the "Typical sh!t" about people that know what numbers do or don't work for them.
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    The seat tube length works for me. I already had a 125mm dropper and that works fine in my XL. But I will say I don't get Alchemy's reasoning for the design. Unless the frame was designed before dropper posts were popular and they just don't want to change the mold for the frame...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    The seat tube length works for me. I already had a 125mm dropper and that works fine in my XL. But I will say I don't get Alchemy's reasoning for the design. Unless the frame was designed before dropper posts were popular and they just don't want to change the mold for the frame...?
    For today's bikes, I would say that being limited to a 125mm dropper on any reasonable size is a major flaw. Dropper posts have been around for many years and 150mm droppers have been the standard for a while now. Every new bike should be able to at least give one the option to run a long stroke dropper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    it's like then never thought of the 5'11'' person with a 32'' inseam.
    That person is unusual. What's even more unusual is that they have those long legs and don't have matching long arms. It's something about how all long bone growth is influenced by the same hormone. I forget the details, but in my 3 years as a fitter i never saw anyone who really deviated from average fit, once you had all their measurements. It was disappointing, actually. All i did was direct the unusually short/tall to bikes that were scaled correctly. And a lot of help with working around injuries or unfitness.


    I see forcing all the riders on to the same chainstay length (and suspension linkage geometry) as a much more real problem.


    Regardless, they're not trying to fit every weirdo, they're trying to make a design that can work for as many people as possible for the lowest cost. If a decision results in 3% less profit but it saves 5% of their costs... win! Heck, it might serve their interests to scare off the folk who want to slam the post and get rowdy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    That person is unusual. What's even more unusual is that they have those long legs and don't have matching long arms. It's something about how all long bone growth is influenced by the same hormone. I forget the details, but in my 3 years as a fitter i never saw anyone who really deviated from average fit, once you had all their measurements. It was disappointing, actually. All i did was direct the unusually short/tall to bikes that were scaled correctly. And a lot of help with working around injuries or unfitness.


    I see forcing all the riders on to the same chainstay length (and suspension linkage geometry) as a much more real problem.


    Regardless, they're not trying to fit every weirdo, they're trying to make a design that can work for as many people as possible for the lowest cost. If a decision results in 3% less profit but it saves 5% of their costs... win! Heck, it might serve their interests to scare off the folk who want to slam the post and get rowdy.
    So what does making a long seat tube on purpose accomplish exactly? There's a lot of nothing in your post. If they were trying to make a design work for as many as possible for the least costs- well then a shorter seat tube falls right in line with that.

    Less material and fits a wider range of riders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    So what does making a long seat tube on purpose accomplish exactly? There's a lot of nothing in your post. If they were trying to make a design work for as many as possible for the least costs- well then a shorter seat tube falls right in line with that.

    Less material and fits a wider range of riders.
    The long seat tube is offputting to radboys like TwoTone, who wants to slam that shit and shred. They'd just be disappointed by the lame leverage ratio and odd geo, and will probably break more frames. Good riddance.

    Or maybe alchemy just took too long to bring this to market. Who knows?

    Alchemy made the decisions based on their own interpretation of the market. It doesn't appeal to me either, but i wanna be rad like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    The long seat tube is offputting to radboys like TwoTone, who wants to slam that shit and shred. They'd just be disappointed by the lame leverage ratio and odd geo, and will probably break more frames. Good riddance.

    Or maybe alchemy just took too long to bring this to market. Who knows?

    Alchemy made the decisions based on their own interpretation of the market. It doesn't appeal to me either, but i wanna be rad like you.
    LOL so wanting a 125mm dropper is being a Rad boy? Funny, 100mm dropper kind of goes against everything else on the bike- DPX2, Fox 36 etc..
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    No. Not my point.

    My only two gripes with the ST are no bottle mount on the inside of the frame and the long seat tube. For the seat tube I knew my almost new 185mm bikeyoke was not going to to work so I had to buy a 160mm which didnít make me happy. The 185mm was ~13mm from working (Iím 6í1Ē, 75cm seat height on an XL).

    Is the seat tube on the Alchemy longer than it needs to be? Sure it is. Itís the same as my old XL Ripley LS.


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    So wait, if the same seat tube length was too long on a previous bike, people need to ride this one to know it's still too long?

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    Alchemy is using the same frame as the long travel Arktos which is a solid 3 years old now. Molds are $$$$$ and With Alchemy being such a small company they prob couldnít justify the funds for new molds.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post

    Or maybe alchemy just took too long to bring this to market. Who knows?

    Alchemy made the decisions based on their own interpretation of the market. It doesn't appeal to me either, but i wanna be rad like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    No. Not my point.

    My only two gripes with the ST are no bottle mount on the inside of the frame and the long seat tube. For the seat tube I knew my almost new 185mm bikeyoke was not going to to work so I had to buy a 160mm which didnít make me happy. The 185mm was ~13mm from working (Iím 6í1Ē, 75cm seat height on an XL).

    Is the seat tube on the Alchemy longer than it needs to be? Sure it is. Itís the same as my old XL Ripley LS.
    Mentioning the Ripley LS is interesting. When you compare them it makes the Alchemy numbers even stranger.

    For the LS The M= 16.5 L= 18.5 and the XL = 20.5 but the Alchemy is M= 17.71 L=19.01 XL=20.39
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    Alchemy is using the same frame as the long travel Arktos which is a solid 3 years old now. Molds are $$$$$ and With Alchemy being such a small company they prob couldnít justify the funds for new molds.
    Ahh that makes sense! Thanks.
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    Alchemy Arktos 29ST

    Iíve got a couple rides in on the 29 ST.
    Climbs great, handles great. Bike really stable when climbing out of the saddle. Very nice ride, so far.

    Two issues Iíll need to resolve.

    1: cable/hose rattle in the down tube. Really annoying.

    2: a little tire rub on the brake hose under g-out type rear suspension compression. Iíve zip tied the derailleur housing out of the way, not ideal, but it works. May have to do the same with the brake hose.
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    Alchemy Arktos 29ST

    I've got a few more rides on the bike now. Also, I finished lacing up my wheels and have had a ride on them. The wheelset is about 230g lighter and I'm sure I could feel the bike accelerate a little more willingly - or maybe it was in my head - either way, Nice.

    The wheels are I9 Hydra, CXray spokes and BTLOS carbon i29a rims.The Hydra engagement is great! Rode a techy section that requires a bit of ratcheting and the engagement was really noticeably better than the CK hubs I've been on for years, and even more better than DT Spline wheels that came stock.

    The Bike Co got back to me regarding the internal cable & hose noise. They wrap the cables & hose with bubble wrap and their proposed fix is to pack more bubble wrap into the downtube via the hole in the head tube.

    After a few rides I'm quite comfortable on the bike. I have made a few climbing PRs despite being in terrible shape... The bike climbs great and climbs tech features great. I've had a couple more pedal strikes than on the old Tallboy LT, but not many.

    The suspension is great! The rear end really handles climbing over square-edged bumps and steps very well. I don't really feel the suspension compress, but the bike climbs over and the bump is largely smoothed over. Firm and supportive, yet handles the terrain and provides good traction.
    The Fox 36 also working great -- I haven't turned a knob on the fork yet and it's working great. I paid for the pro tune from The Bike Co and as I didn't ride the bike without the Pro Tune can't say if I got my money's worth, but I can say the bike rode great right out of the box. They did have me fill out a set up form, heigh, weight, riding style, etc... and the set up was pretty spot on. I did have to add a fair bit of air to the shock for proper sag. My old bike had a 2015 Fox 36 RC2 (recently overhauled) and the new fork is definitely an improvement.

    So, the only area I'v yet the get comfortable with the bike is on pedally trails with tight turns. The front wheel will/may push when trying to corner while pedaling or seated.I guess I've just got to get off the saddle and get my weight forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyman View Post
    reamer41 I also have a Tallboy LT which I'm looking at replacing very soon. How does it climb and what is the weight?
    Hey Dustyman,

    While not ready to write a full review I can say the bike compares quite well to the Tallboy LT.
    Now that Iíve swapped a few components the weight is very similar to the TBLT.
    The rear suspension just works better in any climbing or pedaling situation.

    Iím really surprised that the fit going from a Large 2012 TBLT to an XL Arktos 29ST was spot on. Yeah, Iím a little more forward on the bike, but fit is on the money. Iím 6í 2Ē. Have a 45mm stem and no problems with the 125mm dropper.
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    Quite a few rides now. Still think everything about this bike is perfect. One of my concerns that has turned out to be a non-issue was pedal strikes. My first 10 or so rides I would brace myself in certain situations to blast my pedals on rocks, etc. I never happens. I am finally at the point I just donít worry about it any longer. I took 10 rides to get over that pedal strike ďflinchĒ I developed from my last two bikes.
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    Iíve got a couple more rides in, myself. Totally impressed with the bike. It powers up climbs like nobodyís business. Carves turns so well!

    Granted Iím coming off an ďoldĒ tallboy LT, but this is really a much better bike than any Iíve ridden. Demoed a Trail 429 and a Ripmo. Both fine bikes, but neither felt right for me. The Arktos required very little adjustment on my part and delivered performance from day one.
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    So.. it sounds like a 29 x 2.6 will fit out back? I am running through a short list of bikes, and while the bb height is a minor concern, running a 2.6 may help me get over it

    Even better news if someone has run the XR4

    EDIT: Derp, I can't read... 2.6 xr4 fits, so looks like I need to go demo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlatan View Post
    So.. it sounds like a 29 x 2.6 will fit out back? I am running through a short list of bikes, and while the bb height is a minor concern, running a 2.6 may help me get over it

    Even better news if someone has run the XR4

    EDIT: Derp, I can't read... 2.6 xr4 fits, so looks like I need to go demo.
    Yes, the XR4 2.60 fits. Iíve ended up zip-tying the brake hose and derailleur housing to the chainstays as I was getting some rub under suspension compression.
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    Snagged the demo today and rode Heil Ranch. Sold. Super solid climber, and DH is just a joy.
    I have some other questions / thoughts;

    1) I am planning on building my own, since I already own some new Hayes Dominions and other bits. Is the frame for the 29 the same as the 29ST?

    2) The demo has 2.4s. Coming from 3's it felt squirrley, but not crazy out of control. I am actually thinking of going mullet (like their new NineSevenFive). That might allow me to fit a 27.5 x 2.8 out back and a 29 x 2.8 in front (lyrik fork). That might mess up the geo too much, not sure.

    3) Had a few pedal strikes today. Maybe because I've not ridden geared til now, but it's more than I've had previously. Still, the overall ride is worth it.

    Overall, this bike has blown me away. Gotta start getting the kit together once I figure out the frame situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlatan View Post

    1) I am planning on building my own, since I already own some new Hayes Dominions and other bits. Is the frame for the 29 the same as the 29ST?
    Same frame, but different linkage and suspension custom tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlatan View Post
    Snagged the demo today and rode Heil Ranch. Sold. Super solid climber, and DH is just a joy.
    I have some other questions / thoughts;

    1) I am planning on building my own, since I already own some new Hayes Dominions and other bits. Is the frame for the 29 the same as the 29ST?

    2) The demo has 2.4s. Coming from 3's it felt squirrley, but not crazy out of control. I am actually thinking of going mullet (like their new NineSevenFive). That might allow me to fit a 27.5 x 2.8 out back and a 29 x 2.8 in front (lyrik fork). That might mess up the geo too much, not sure.

    3) Had a few pedal strikes today. Maybe because I've not ridden geared til now, but it's more than I've had previously. Still, the overall ride is worth it.

    Overall, this bike has blown me away. Gotta start getting the kit together once I figure out the frame situation.
    1). Yes. The 29 and 29ST are the same frame with different links and shock.

    2). I donít know about the mullet setup.
    I run 29x2.60 Bontrager XR4s. A little tight fit, wouldnít be great in heavy mud, but I do like the bigger tires.

    3). I had a couple strikes my first few rides, but not since. The slightly taller tires have got to help with that.

    Iím coming off a Tallboy LT. The BB height was a little higher, but otherwise the 29ST blows it away.
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    Pretty stoked... ordered my Arktos ST 29 yesterday from Alchemy direct. Went with an XT 12-sp build kit in medium with 170mm cranks, an Enve M6 bar and an upgrade to XT 4-piston brakes.

    Stuck on color though.... Iím really intrigued by the vanilla/brown color of the non-ST frame, which I can switch to if preferred. Otherwise, Iíll go with the ĎWinter water/oliveí color, which is the darker of the two ST colors.

    Canít wait!

    Now to sell my Mach 429 Trail!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mthopton View Post
    Pretty stoked... ordered my Arktos ST 29 yesterday from Alchemy direct. Went with an XT 12-sp build kit in medium with 170mm cranks, an Enve M6 bar and an upgrade to XT 4-piston brakes.

    Stuck on color though.... Iím really intrigued by the vanilla/brown color of the non-ST frame, which I can switch to if preferred. Otherwise, Iíll go with the ĎWinter water/oliveí color, which is the darker of the two ST colors.

    Canít wait!

    Now to sell my Mach 429 Trail!


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    Awesome! Such a great ride, whatever the color.

    I have my frame and half the parts for my build in the basement. Assembly to start over Thanksgiving break

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    That light grey color (looks white to me) looks amazing in person. The Shimano 12 speed stuff is amazing too. With the 170mm cranks I have had no pedal strikes at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by mthopton View Post
    Pretty stoked... ordered my Arktos ST 29 yesterday from Alchemy direct. Went with an XT 12-sp build kit in medium with 170mm cranks, an Enve M6 bar and an upgrade to XT 4-piston brakes.

    Stuck on color though.... Iím really intrigued by the vanilla/brown color of the non-ST frame, which I can switch to if preferred. Otherwise, Iíll go with the ĎWinter water/oliveí color, which is the darker of the two ST colors.

    Canít wait!

    Now to sell my Mach 429 Trail!


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    After some Ďagonisingí I was going to go with the light grey, but that was out of stock. So they offered to build one with the grey/red of the Arktos 29. Well the Vanilla color was what I really liked, but that wasnít immediately available either. So Iíve got the grey/red. Pleased with the color. Really pleased with the ride.
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    Wow!

    I got the bike out for a ride in an area with a lot of technical sections. Granite ledges, but up and down, steep climbs & descents, tight climbing switchbacks... Riding this bike is a little like cheating! Except I take all the credit. Everything was more easily cleared than on the ol' Tallboy LT. The steep climbs, especially. Ledges, both up and down, just so much easier. And comfortable and smooth. I'm currently a bit fat and out of shape - but on the Arktos it didn't matter.

    Wow!
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    reamer41, can you elaborate on the differences between the arktos and the trail 429 you demoed? i'm interested in these two, as well as the ripley, tallboy and trance. it seems you get better bang for the buck with the alchemy than most of the others.
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    I canít speak for the current generation of Trail 429, but I have the prior generation, which is actually a 2018 model and called the Mach 429 Trail. Having spent +/- an hour and a half on a buddyís Arktos, there are a few differences. The 429 feels and rides like an XC bike. Itís lighter and a bit more ďsnappyĒ due to the firmer XCíish suspension settings. The 429ís front end lifts very easily on steep climbs and wanders whereas the Arktosí steep(er) seat angle seems to keep you planted. Both bikes have full Fox Factory suspension but the Pivot is easily overwhelmed when things get rowdy - not surprising. The Arktos with its F36 and DPX2 are planted and confidence inspiring. The Pivot is noticeably flexy, especially in the rear end. The Arktosí super boost rear end is noticeably stiffer. The Arktos feels like a bigger bike and just gobbles up terrain. The pivot climbs well seated but bobs like a marshmallow when standing up and climbing. The upright position of the Arktos took some getting used to but felt very natural once I settled in. Very planted, stable and, dare I say, confidence inspiring. It floats well when airborne and isnít nervous leaving the lip of a roller or double.

    Iím a fan of the Pivot... I love the brand and wanted to buy the current generation but, it seems to still be kinda in between the prior 429 and where the Arktos sits in terms of geometry. Overforking the 429 is an option, but that only serves to slacken the seat angle more.

    In any event, I ordered the Arktos ST 29 as a replacement for the Pivot. Itíll be heavier for sure but hey, if I want to go fast and light, Iíve got a titanium Vassago SS that fits that bill nicely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamthief View Post
    reamer41, can you elaborate on the differences between the arktos and the trail 429 you demoed? i'm interested in these two, as well as the ripley, tallboy and trance. it seems you get better bang for the buck with the alchemy than most of the others.
    In terms of value, I canít agree more. I ordered direct from Joel, who was great to work with, at Alchemy. I have a vanilla/brown/orange frame with the XT 12-sp kit, Enve bar/stem, orange colorway graphics on the suspension, shipped, all for a good bit less than a low-mid tier Fuel EX, Tallboy, Ripley... you name it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamthief View Post
    reamer41, can you elaborate on the differences between the arktos and the trail 429 you demoed? i'm interested in these two, as well as the ripley, tallboy and trance. it seems you get better bang for the buck with the alchemy than most of the others.
    Considering how long it has been since I demoed the T429 I'll let mthopton's post cover it. My main impressions of the T429 (2019 model):
    It sat high. The BB height as published, is the same as the SC Tallboy LT I'd been riding, but the Pivot felt tall, I felt perched.
    The T429 had some improvement in climbing over the SC, but not nearly the improvement I have with the Alchemy. The Alchemy is so much better at steep and technical climbing.
    The T429 felt hard to pedal to me, that's compared to both my ol' SC and the Arktos -- probably the wheel/tires on the demo bike.

    Edit: To clarify what I mean by an improvement in climbing: two things: one is the efficiency of the suspension, the Arktos feel hardtail-efficient while climbing, yet absorbs bumps and does a great job maintain traction.
    The second factor is the ability co keep the front wheel down and hold a line while climbing very steep trails and slick rick faces, and remain maneuverable while doing so.
    And these traits above apply while seated or out of the saddle.
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    I just ordered some ST linkages, a new shock, and a travel reducer for my fork from Alchemy. I'm SUPER excited to try out the new 120mm travel bike! I've been told it rides even better....if that's the case, I know I'll be in love!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zonic Man View Post
    I just ordered some ST linkages, a new shock, and a travel reducer for my fork from Alchemy. I'm SUPER excited to try out the new 120mm travel bike! I've been told it rides even better....if that's the case, I know I'll be in love!
    If you don't mind sharing, how much does that cost? Competitive Cyclist has regular Arktos w/Fox non-factory bits on sale, and this may be a budget conscious way to get the ST for cheap(er.).
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    Any opinions on how this would work for a marathon XC bike in east coast rocks/roots? I have a 100mm XC bike which I love, but on the longer races I'm getting beat up. Is the pedaling ability firm enough for these longer XC races (50 mile +)? How's the riding position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJYeti View Post
    Any opinions on how this would work for a marathon XC bike in east coast rocks/roots? I have a 100mm XC bike which I love, but on the longer races I'm getting beat up. Is the pedaling ability firm enough for these longer XC races (50 mile +)? How's the riding position?

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    On the ST I find the pedaling to be great. If you want firmer you can flip the switch on the shock.
    Iím coming off an old-school large Tallboy LT (with 150 fork-slack ST) and I find the riding position on the XL Arktos ST to be a great fit. No issues with hand pain or any of that.
    Itís probably a bit heavier than some other marathon XC bikes you might build - but you wouldnít need a 36 on the front, either... if you were concerned with shaving grams.
    Iíve slapped a medium-light wheel set on and find it to be a great bike!
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    Got a pic today from Joel at Alchemy of my Arktos being built in their shop. Looks like itíll be here in time for Christmas. Yeah buddy...


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    Quote Originally Posted by mthopton View Post
    Got a pic today from Joel at Alchemy of my Arktos being built in their shop. Looks like itíll be here in time for Christmas. Yeah buddy...

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    Hey nice bike and look at that tandem fat bike!

    I used to ride tandems with my wife, we had Venatana 29er and a Ventana El Jefe. The El Jefe had 29", 27+, and 26" fat. I hauled my wife around on those bikes for a few years until I got tired, now she rides a Pivot ebike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Hey nice bike and look at that tandem fat bike!

    I used to ride tandems with my wife, we had Venatana 29er and a Ventana El Jefe. The El Jefe had 29", 27+, and 26" fat. I hauled my wife around on those bikes for a few years until I got tired, now she rides a Pivot ebike
    Not a fat tandem, just a std 27.5+ Ventana ECDM build. We ride all the time and recently upgraded the drivetrain to AXS, which is a game changer.


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    Yup, just zoomed in and saw that rear suspension, nice and cushy for your bride 😊

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    Not a fat tandem, just a std 27.5+ Ventana ECDM build. We ride all the time and recently upgraded the drivetrain to AXS, which is a game changer.


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    Just finished my Arktos build!! First ride will be Wednesday..can't wait!

    Some observations on the build;

    They stick with some easy standards like the BSA thread 30, head set.

    They give you some spongy tubing to run your cables through so you don't have cable rattle.

    2.6 xr2 fits with some zip ties to get the cables out of the way. I can get some pics if needed. It's tight but works.

    Comes with a rear thru axle. I personally like the super boost.

    The docs don't tell you torque limit for the seat clamp. I can't recall what it is atm...

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    So I just took the plunge! I just placed an order for a demo'ed Arktos 29ST!

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    The docs don't tell you torque limit for the seat clamp. I can't recall what it is atm...
    I think he seat post clamp torque spec is likely posted by clamp or more importantly the dropper manufacturer.

    9point8 specifies 6nm for their clamp. That has always been sufficient for me except once years ago I had an undersized post and/or over-reamed seat tube. Needed friction paste and a very tight clamp. (So long ago I donít remember the culprit. The seat tube, I think.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    I think he seat post clamp torque spec is likely posted by clamp or more importantly the dropper manufacturer.

    9point8 specifies 6nm for their clamp. That has always been sufficient for me except once years ago I had an undersized post and/or over-reamed seat tube. Needed friction paste and a very tight clamp. (So long ago I donít remember the culprit. The seat tube, I think.)


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    Thanks! You're spot on. I am going to get a few more miles on it, then write down all the torque info so I have it handy

    I hit my first singletrack on it today, and it's really a great bike. Going to take some getting used to (coming from a hardtail singlespeed). It feels very well balanced and climbs very well.

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    How would this bike be in tighter woods riding? Am located in MN and do mostly singletrack riding in tighter woods. Not the long decents that I see in many videos.

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    Alchemy Arktos 29ST

    I mean, itís not an XC race weapon with a steep head angle, but IMO, it works very well in the tight woods. Iím in north GA and we are all tight woods, roots, rocks, stream crossings, etc., and I think itís awesome. Iíll grab my Vassago SS for an XC, race, but this Arktos hasnít disappointed me yet.

    Buy one! They have a smoking deal going on right now - free Enve wheel upgrade with an XT or X01 12-sp build!





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    Quote Originally Posted by naya the dingo View Post
    Finally got out on mine today for the first time. I am super impressed! Great all around! This bike replaced my Yeti SB4.5. I also have a Yeti SB6 that I use for bigger all mountain rides, enduro races, and bike park visits. Iím now thinking about replacing the SB6 with a DH bike and using the Arktos ST for everything from XC to Enduro. Iíll update as I get more miles on it.
    What are your thoughts compared to the SB4.5? That is what I am currently riding. Thinking about something new. The SB 130 seems like a little more than I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by styler View Post
    What are your thoughts compared to the SB4.5? That is what I am currently riding. Thinking about something new. The SB 130 seems like a little more than I want.

    I loved my 4.5, but I love the Arktos ST even more. I think the thing I most like about it compared to my Yetis is the stiffness of the frame. It is a lot burlier than the 4.5 for sure, and I feel like the rear end is stiffer than my sb6. It also seems to handle square edge stuff better when climbing, but I felt the 4.5 had a bit better pedaling platform. It definitely isn't as snappy and light as the 4.5, but I am okay with that. The Alchemy is longer, but I really don't notice any negative effects from it. I will say the BB is noticeably a little bit lower than the 4.5, but I have gotten used to it. I'm completely happy with the switch.

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    Anyone with weights (esp. XL)? I ask b/c I saw a 27.XX weight, but pinkbike has it at 30.XX. I know it depends on how you build it up, but I'm curious.

    I'd build it as a marathon-race/do-it-all bike, but at ~200#, I think I'd take a bit of a weight penalty in exchange for "beefiness."

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    Can anyone compare this to the Ripley v4? I was about ready to pull the trigger on a Ripley but saw the deal they're running on the Arktos and might be changing my mind. $3,900 for the XT build with factory 36, DPX2, and dropper, DT wheels...that is a pretty insane deal.

    My only hesitation is that I really want something that's going to be an amazing technical climber, because that's my favorite part of riding. Reviewers all seem to say the Arktos is that, but I guess I'm just having a hard time believing it could be in the same class as the Ripley. Anyone have experience on both and able to weigh in?

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    My XL is 27.6lbs w/o pedals 28.2 with. Mostly XTR build.

    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    Anyone with weights (esp. XL)? I ask b/c I saw a 27.XX weight, but pinkbike has it at 30.XX. I know it depends on how you build it up, but I'm curious.

    I'd build it as a marathon-race/do-it-all bike, but at ~200#, I think I'd take a bit of a weight penalty in exchange for "beefiness."

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    Wow, that is light. Mind providing a little more info on suspension, wheels, and tires youíre running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpcremata View Post
    Can anyone compare this to the Ripley v4? I was about ready to pull the trigger on a Ripley but saw the deal they're running on the Arktos and might be changing my mind. $3,900 for the XT build with factory 36, DPX2, and dropper, DT wheels...that is a pretty insane deal.

    My only hesitation is that I really want something that's going to be an amazing technical climber, because that's my favorite part of riding. Reviewers all seem to say the Arktos is that, but I guess I'm just having a hard time believing it could be in the same class as the Ripley. Anyone have experience on both and able to weigh in?
    I was getting quite tempted too. That's a great deal. But the rear hub 157 mm TA Boost Plus tempered the temptation.

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    Wow, that is light. Mind providing a little more info on suspension, wheels, and tires youíre running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    Anyone with weights (esp. XL)? I ask b/c I saw a 27.XX weight, but pinkbike has it at 30.XX. I know it depends on how you build it up, but I'm curious.

    I'd build it as a marathon-race/do-it-all bike, but at ~200#, I think I'd take a bit of a weight penalty in exchange for "beefiness."
    Iím a hair under 30lbs. XT 12sp, Enve bar/stem, DT wheels. The heaviest part of my build is the Minion DHF/DHR tires. I could probably drop 1-1.5lbs by changing tires. But theyíre so good, it hardly seems worth it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin_sbay View Post
    I was getting quite tempted too. That's a great deal. But the rear hub 157 mm TA Boost Plus tempered the temptation.
    Whatís so bad about super boost, apart from compatibility (Iím not planning to replace the wheelset)?

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    Superboost should not be a deterrent any longer. Little by little more companies are adopting it. There are plenty of 157mm wheel and hub options available now. If going with a frame only build and you currently have a nice 148mm wheelset, that could be an issue.

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    I was getting quite tempted too. That's a great deal. But the rear hub 157 mm TA Boost Plus tempered the temptation.

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    Iíll tell you one thing about super boost.... the rear end is noticeably stiffer. Even at my svelte 155lbs, the rear end is just tight! Iím a fan.


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    Yeah, my desire to use/interchange with my existing 148 wheelsets is my main hurdle for adding a bike with Super Boost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin_sbay View Post
    Yeah, my desire to use/interchange with my existing 148 wheelsets is my main hurdle for adding a bike with Super Boost.
    Perhaps not ideal, but the adapter kits work pretty well. Have used a boost adapter kit on a 142 spaced wheel for a few years and youíd never know it wasnít a boost wheel.


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    Thatís true. Iíve been using a booster for about 2 years and noticed zero ill effects (not that Iím the most discerning rider when it comes to that sort of thing, but nonetheless...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    Superboost should not be a deterrent any longer. Little by little more companies are adopting it. There are plenty of 157mm wheel and hub options available now. If going with a frame only build and you currently have a nice 148mm wheelset, that could be an issue.
    And that is exactly the deterrent along with the wider q factor required. You don't need superboost on a 120-140mm bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mthopton View Post
    Iíll tell you one thing about super boost.... the rear end is noticeably stiffer. Even at my svelte 155lbs, the rear end is just tight! Iím a fan.


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    You've ridden the frame in a 148 configuration? Oh yea you haven't, its the design of the frame not the superboost that makes stiff. Talk about falling for the marketing, if it was the superboost, then no frame before superboost could have been stiff.
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    Yeah, huge deterrent. I had to spend a whopping $50 on a zero offset chainring when I first moved to superboost.

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    And that is exactly the deterrent along with the wider q factor required. You don't need superboost on a 120-140mm bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    Yeah, huge deterrent. I had to spend a whopping $50 on a zero offset chainring when I first moved to superboost.
    LOL if that's all you think Q factor affects
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    Good info from Knolly site on superboost https://www.knollybikes.com/engineering

    AVAILABILITY: 150 / 157 hubs have been around for years. The only difference between the two measurements is an end cap on the hubs and slots in the dropout for the 157 width. These hubs started out having flange widths that were similar to a standard 135 or 142 hub, and while some manufacturers have stayed with that flange width many have widened their flanges in an effort to make a more durable wheel. If we look at the dedicated Super Boost plus hubs they typically have a non-drive-side hub flange distance of 41mm and a drive side distance of 28. We noticed that many manufacturers have progressed with their hub design and even though they don't call them Super Boost plus they have the same flange width. So this means there are already numerous hubs and wheels available from some great companies. Heck, you might even have a set in your garage already!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    You've ridden the frame in a 148 configuration? Oh yea you haven't, its the design of the frame not the superboost that makes stiff. Talk about falling for the marketing, if it was the superboost, then no frame before superboost could have been stiff.
    What is consider stiff and point where you see performance gains in riding... IMO, most of us weekend warriors won't see it and more of mental gain.

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    LOL. Who do you think you are talking to? Hub spacing, chainline, bottom bracket width and Q factor spacing and how they interact is not complicated stuff. Itís not. Your comments lead me to believe you think it is?

    So TwoTone, letís peel back the onion and go back to your first comment. Enlighten the me on how the 157 rear hub spacing on my Knolly Fugitive ďaffectedď the use of a 168Q SRAM GXP Crank with a zero degree offset 30t chainring? I donít run ISCG.

    I would be running that same crank my Arktos if I was at the time able to find a chainring that would work with Shimano 12sp.

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    If you are riding a 148mm frame I would say you fell for the marketing. I went from 142mm straight to the ďstandardĒ that already existed.

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    Talk about falling for the marketing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    If you are riding a 148mm frame I would say you fell for the marketing. I went from 142mm straight to the ďstandardĒ that already existed.
    The Fugitive is an anomaly, most SB+ bikes use a 173 or more Q-Factor.

    I had a 150/157 Lenz long before superboost was a thing. 148 was actually a good idea until everyone ****ed it up. Go back and see what they were trying to do. It was supposed to be the widest you could go and maintain a narrower Q factor.

    Since I feel for the marketing- show me a current bike with 142?
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    I know, but being cynical, how long until 148mm isnít the ďstandardĒ.

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    Since I feel for the marketing- show me a current bike with 142?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    I know, but being cynical, how long until 148mm isnít the ďstandardĒ.
    Clearly Ibis ,Santa Cruz, Giant, Trek, Revel and on and on are perfectly happy with 148mm considering they all have introduced new 115 to 145mm new designed bikes in the past 1.5-2 years and 157mm was no where to be found on their new bikes. You might be pro 157, but Pivot learned the hard/expensive way with their 120mm SB trail bike.

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    Bad example. Those are mainstream brands that I would argue follow trends, not set them. those companies that just introduced ďnewĒ bikes that followed the trends brought by companies like Transition years earlier.

    Also to be very clear, I am not pro 157mm. I call bullshit on the industry going 148mm when 150mm was already there. I put a $40 set of end caps on an old 150mm DT 240 hub to make it ďsuperĒ.

    Only a fool would believe that 148mm is here to stay for too long. I recognized these bike industry shenanigans when forks went from 20mm to 15mm years ago. That was also when I decided to start building my own wheels.

    Who wants to bet that forks will be 110mm x 20mm in the next 3-4 years? Trek, Giant, Specialized, Santa Cruz, SRAM care more about earnings growth than selling things in the best interest of the customer.

    I am going to get off my soap box now and get back to the Arktos. The deal on the 11sp XT kit is a steal. Get it while you can.


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    Clearly Ibis ,Santa Cruz, Giant, Trek, Revel and on and on are perfectly happy with 148mm considering they all have introduced new 115 to 145mm new designed bikes in the past 1.5-2 years and 157mm was no where to be found on their new bikes. You might be pro 157, but Pivot learned the hard/expensive way with their 120mm SB trail bike.

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    Itís just a hub width, itís not a big deal, it certainly ainít enough to make me overlook a bike.

    So yeah, whatever, get a room 🙄
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    I don't have a dog in this particularly tiresome superboost slapfight. Obviously anecdotal, but I did own a Switchblade when it was first released and it was the laterally stiffest bike (in a really good way) I've ever owned. And I've owned quite a few. Was it because of superboost? I have no idea, but it definitely was a thing.

    In my case, I'd be happy to own another 157 spaced frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    You've ridden the frame in a 148 configuration? Oh yea you haven't, its the design of the frame not the superboost that makes stiff. Talk about falling for the marketing, if it was the superboost, then no frame before superboost could have been stiff.
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    Yup, a wider hub certainly wouldnít make the bike flexier. Iíd rather have a wider rear hub than a wider bb, but Iíve had that too and it was fine.

    Some of the obsession with having the narrowest bike possible is inherited from road biking and the idea of minimizing wind drag.

    Mountain bikers in their big upright position and baggy clothes are really not playing that game.

    So how does this bike ride compared to a Yeti? I have minimal time on Yetis, but they do ride well from my experience .... though Iíve never wanted to buy one 🙄
    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    I don't have a dog in this particularly tiresome superboost slapfight. Obviously anecdotal, but I did own a Switchblade when it was first released and it was the laterally stiffest bike (in a really good way) I've ever owned. And I've owned quite a few. Was it because of superboost? I have no idea, but it definitely was a thing.

    In my case, I'd be happy to own another 157 spaced frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Yup, a wider hub certainly wouldnít make the bike flexier. Iíd rather have a wider rear hub than a wider bb, but Iíve had that too and it was fine.

    Some of the obsession with having the narrowest bike possible is inherited from road biking and the idea of minimizing wind drag.

    Mountain bikers in their big upright position and baggy clothes are really not playing that game.

    So how does this bike ride compared to a Yeti? I have minimal time on Yetis, but they do ride well from my experience .... though Iíve never wanted to buy one
    I have no problem with the 157 hub. None of my 135/142 CK hubs will be admitted into the modern era. Oh well, move along. Iím not going to get hung up on a middling standard....

    Iíve not ridden a Yeti, and theoretically, Iím not a fan of their dual slider suspension design - but having a bit of time on my 29ST Iíve had my eyes opened a bit. The suspension is FAR better than the gen 1 VPP Santa Cruz Iím coming off of. Iíd demoed a Ripmo and a Trail 429. The Arktos efficiency seems another step ahead.

    And back in the day, I found the Chris King Fun Bolts helped stiffen up the 135mm rear ends of my ol Superlight and Ventana tandem. I do not fear a wider foundation of these 157 frames & hubs.




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    So had anybody bought one and not liked it?

    People who have bought them, what was your last bike? What where the changes you were looking for in your new bike?

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    I came from a custom hard tail single speed. Probably not the change you're looking for, but I've had my Arktos on the mountain 3 times now, and I love it.

    I'm 6'2 and the xl fits me much better than the large. If I had to change something it'd be more room at the chainstay for the 2.6. A 2.8 would be even better. A 180mm rotor is also very close to the cs when installed, but I'm not sweating that too much.

    I was looking for a full suspension that climbed like my hard tail. It's not quite that good, but based on all my demos, it was the best I rode.

    Fantastic all around bike.

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    thanks for the info. That is nice to hear real rider experience. I just sold my Trek Farley EX 8 (full squish fat bike). Wanted something a little faster and a better fork. I am 6' 1" 220 lbs. This bike sounds good and seems very stout.

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    Just got my bike in today! Went with the XT build with Fox 36 and DPX2. I donít have any experience with this suspension so can anyone offer advice/recommendations on tuning? Iím 210 RTR and donít hit a lot of big jumps or drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpcremata View Post
    Just got my bike in today! Went with the XT build with Fox 36 and DPX2. I donít have any experience with this suspension so can anyone offer advice/recommendations on tuning? Iím 210 RTR and donít hit a lot of big jumps or drops.
    Congrats! It is a fantastic bike and I canít get enough of it! Itís been made even better by getting the suspension setup pretty close.

    Setting sag is your starting point. Get geared up, grab your shock pump and get your sag set. Iím 157lbs and Iím running my shock just above my weight at 165psi. My fork is right at 60psi and I could still drip down a few more psi.

    The Grip2 is an amazing fork with tons of adjustment available and it can be overwhelming to figure out. I watched this video a few times and found it to be very helpful in setting up the fork, especially for the hi and lo speed rebound adjustments.

    Good luck and enjoy the ride! Pack a shock pump and head to your favorite trail that you can session a bunch and just mess around with the settings and see how the bike responds. Youíll be amazed at just how well the bike descends AND climbs!

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    I am very similar weight as you. I run little to no compression dampening on the rear shock. Also, because of the low BB I errored on the a little less sag (maybe 1mm). I run a Pike so I am no help with your 36.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpcremata View Post
    Just got my bike in today! Went with the XT build with Fox 36 and DPX2. I donít have any experience with this suspension so can anyone offer advice/recommendations on tuning? Iím 210 RTR and donít hit a lot of big jumps or drops.

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    Hello, first post but longtime lurker! Just ordered a Arktos ST and Iím beyond excited. This thread was a big part of the reason why I chose this bike, so thank you to everyone. Iím coming off a 2014 Trek Fuel ex 8 so it will be a bit of an adjustment for sure.

    I went with the 11sp XT in a size XL. Iíll probably upgrade to 12 XT once this stuff wears out.

    Decided on the blue/grey and green color after Joe sent me a better image. The color looks way better than the one picture on the website.



    I am from Edmonton, Alberta and hope this bike will be well suited to our trails here, no real sustained climbs or descents but lots of quick ups and downs and tight trees with plenty of roots. I also take trips to the rockies and into BC.


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    Great looking color! And, congrats. You will love it. I havenít ridden my SS in 2 min this because of this bike!



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    Great decision! I must say the pictures on Alchemyís website made picking a color tough. That pic makes the color look great. My bike looked grey in the pics but almost white in person.


    Quote Originally Posted by gnarzt View Post
    Hello, first post but longtime lurker! Just ordered a Arktos ST and Iím beyond excited. This thread was a big part of the reason why I chose this bike, so thank you to everyone. Iím coming off a 2014 Trek Fuel ex 8 so it will be a bit of an adjustment for sure.

    I went with the 11sp XT in a size XL. Iíll probably upgrade to 12 XT once this stuff wears out.

    Decided on the blue/grey and green color after Joe sent me a better image. The color looks way better than the one picture on the website.



    I am from Edmonton, Alberta and hope this bike will be well suited to our trails here, no real sustained climbs or descents but lots of quick ups and downs and tight trees with plenty of roots. I also take trips to the rockies and into BC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gnarzt View Post
    ...I went with the 11sp XT in a size XL.

    ....hope this bike will be well suited to our trails here, no real sustained climbs or descents but lots of quick ups and downs and tight trees with plenty of roots.
    Can you write a follow up after a few rides or so? Iím looking at the XL and my terrain is what you describe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    Can you write a follow up after a few rides or so? Iím looking at the XL and my terrain is what you describe.
    I will for sure, but it wonít be until April or May at the earliest. Two feet of snow on the ground around here right now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    Can you write a follow up after a few rides or so? Iím looking at the XL and my terrain is what you describe.
    I live a little north of you in south jersey (across the river from Philly), I mostly ride at Wissahickon. Arktos ST feels good on that terrain. If you feel 140mm to much travel, you probably could put a 130mm and shed some weight too. Cody Kelley was riding the arktos st with 130mm last year in Dual Slalom race at Sea Otter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    Can you write a follow up after a few rides or so? Iím looking at the XL and my terrain is what you describe.
    If you get it right from Alchemy they have free shipping in the US and a no questions asked two week trial period, if you donít like it they say you can have a full refund.


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    First time posting! I ordered the bike last week from Alchemy directly. XT 11 speed build. Can't wait to get it.

    Edit: Upgrading from a 2016 Giant Trance advanced 27.5. Hoping this pedals better.

    Anyone that has ordered from alchemy can post how long it took to get it?
    Also, what color decals you got on the forks? I see some pictures with different color decals. I hope I get it with the gray.

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    I live in CA and got mine exactly a week after ordering (although I think thatís faster than normal). Mine has gray decals.

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