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    Love this thread, bought my trek 69er on sale and never knew it was such a popular build

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    The Firefly is now a 9x6. It started out as a 7x7 (650b F and R) but I like this better!

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    has your seat been drinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gavinda View Post
    has your seat been drinking?
    Looks like it might need some Viagra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by branthopolis View Post
    Looks like it might need some Viagra.
    Funny, but heck no! The whole point (or lack thereof) is to have a seat that doesn't try to molest me on a steep climb. The Selle SMP is a godsend on steep chunky ascents.

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    Here's another 69er project from this summer:



    This performed quite a bit better than the Trek (above). The Voodoo is designed around a longer travel fork, so the big wheel didn't really screw up the geometry. I probably should have given this a longer trial, but I had other projects to work on. Now I miss it, just a bit.
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    Awesome build!

    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    I posted this in the SS forum a little while ago, but hear it is: Titanium, Singlespeed, S&S couplers, 69er:

    Edit: Damn, someone beat me to it!
    I had to revisit this build... it's just so clean, simple, yet totally slick and dialed in perfectly! That Boone Ti cog is awesome, that would be my next upgrade if I swap out for a 1X1 set up. Really nice job on this one bikeny! Thanks for sharing!

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    Modern Classic

    Boring maybe. But for me the Root Beer SS is the greatest dedicated SS ever. Thankyou Travis Brown.

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    Brown goes with everything.
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    The beginning of my build. Got two of these brand new 69er frames after scouring the country.
    Trek 69er SS (in progress), Trek Superfly, GT Force Carbon Expert, Trek Madone 6.2

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    ^^looking forward to seeing one built up and ready to ride^^

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    Love the ride of this but have been thinking about taking this to a 650B SS setup. Not sure what I'll need to on AC for the fork though. Anyone know what A-C I should put on it to keep the handling as it is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Overdrive View Post
    Love the ride of this but have been thinking about taking this to a 650B SS setup. Not sure what I'll need to on AC for the fork though. Anyone know what A-C I should put on it to keep the handling as it is?
    Shoot me an email with the photos and your fork options and I'll try and help.

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    Thanks for your help Mark!
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    Pivot Mach 569



    I gave this a go last year and have decided to revisit it.

    I have tweaked the geometry a bit and have put my TALAS 120/95 terralogic fork on it instead of the RLC in this picture. I've flipped the stem and dropped the bars to the lowest spacer. It now has the same geometry as a 26" fork at 150 / 125mm settings.

    The bottom bracket is almost the same height, going from 13.8" to right on 14". I will take it for another run this weekend.

    I might move the seat forward a bit and put a slightly longer stem on it. I currently have a 70mm stem and a setback seatpost (dropper). If I slide the seat forward and put a 90mm stem on it, I might remove the only complaint I had previously, which was that the front end was a bit too light. Brilliant for lifting over obstacles, but it wandered on steep climbs. If I get the weight forward, I can get weight on the big wheel in corners, and stop it lifting uphill.

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    Great bikes in this thread, inspired me to create this:
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    bored of a Handjob so spicing up my riding life by trying out a 69er with rigid...

    ...forks.

    It's gonna take a while to get it as i want it, here it is with the Hummingbird fork slotted in and a temporary v brake only 29er wheel in place (in order for me to see how it looked and to peddle round the garden). Initial garden epic = nice and slack but not too tall, awaiting an Hope / Arch EX front wheel, Salsa ProMoto2 11' handlebars......... Gears now removed as going SS.

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    This one is in the classifieds if you're looking for a ready to ride setup.
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    I had to swap to a 180mm IS caliper (which seems to be ok with out a bleed), handlebars seem to be set ok (i like the 11' feel but need to try them out off road), been for a tow path & hill climb test ride and had to regrease the ISIS BB as creaking when putting the power down.

    Will try it around the woods tomorrow.

    Would really like to get rid of the singulator with some thing like a Trickstuff Exzentriker (anyone got one?) but they're blooming expensive. If i stick with the SS then i also have a DT 240 SS hub in the spares box which may find its way onto an ArchEX as a Xmas pressie.
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    Somebody is going to try a front Fat tire with a 26er rear and call it the next big thing.
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    Isn't half-fat already a thing? . Have a look at the fat forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gavinda View Post
    Isn't half-fat already a thing? . Have a look at the fat forum.
    Haha, no thanks. I have no interest in that type of bike. No need to read about them. I believe you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishcreek View Post
    I must admit to being inspired to trying a 69er after seeing Fishcreeks' bike.

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/saddleupbike/9637503528/" title="Surly Instigator 69er/96er by SaddleUpBike, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7453/9637503528_7d41f41845_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Surly Instigator 69er/96er"></a>

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/saddleupbike/9634287067/" title="Surly Instigator 69er/96er by SaddleUpBike, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5473/9634287067_aa8be77f26_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Surly Instigator 69er/96er"></a>

    Two things I've learnt riding rigid. Maxx diameter up front for smoothness and rollover, maxx volume in back for some cushion and traction. Ha,ha this used to be the forum for the oddballs.

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    my ish...
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    That looks awesome!!!

    Please include a build summary with the "finished" photos.

    Thanks for sharing!

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    Here's most of my collection:

    Trek 69er SS

    Build Standouts: Custom tuned DUC32, XX1 Crank, UtimateCarbon brakes, EC70 bars, super sweet brown Silverado saddle
    Words: Love this bike. When I want silent running suffering, I reach for this one.

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    Trek 69er hardtail 2X10

    Build Standouts: SRAM XX drivetrain, Formual R1, RaceLiteXXX/240, Fox Float RL, EC70 Bars
    Words: Fast, fast, fast and light. When I want XC speed, this is it.

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    Trek 69er Top Fuel All Mountain Redeux

    Build Standouts: Custom tuned DUC32, XTR 2X9 drivetrain w/ FSA cranks, KS dropper, Pushed Tuned RP2. 110mm/90mm.
    Words:My version of do it all / light AM in 69er form. Super fun despite not having the travel of more modern bikes. Been riding this most over the last year- from high country epics to Enduro races.

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    Obviously, I really enjoy the 69er platform. For me, it resolved my dislikes of straight up 29ers by keeping that 26 feel where it I want it.

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    Cool bikes Carl! Braaap
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    I miss Maverick

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    Man, that is one nice collection of bikes!!!

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    Here ya go.

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    replaced my DUC32 with SC32..

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    69er+? I really need to get hold of a Dirt Wizard and see if it fits on the rear:



    Unfortunately, the trails around here are still too wet to ride, but it's fun riding around the neighborhood. Compared to a traditional 29er, the front end comes up MUCH easier.
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    C'Dale Rize 69er

    Just joined the 69er.
    Not yet fully tested and the Lefty Max needs a stroke limiter.
    For now the cockpit feels great and really enjoy the extra "tire" beneath me.
    At the rear is a Kenda Navegal 2.1 (UST), but will try an Ardent 2.25 and 2.4 (if it fits).
    Difference between both wheels is about 50mm (2inch) in diameter.
    Front wheel is a WTB I19, with a Purgatory 2.3 2bliss
    Live it looks a bit ugly.... :|

    Really interested on how it handles, and compare back-to-back with the spare 26 front wheel.

    Crappy photos - bad weather outside...











    Any tips&Tricks?
    Thanks!

    Crappy photos - bad weather outside...

    Future setup:
    No front rim stickers.
    Front suspension set at 110mm (1st spacer - 30mm, and will try a 25mm and a 20mm - if the tire/fork permits)
    Will try running her with a Ardent 2.4 @rear (if it fits)

    BB is about 350mm
    HA +/- 67º

    Any tips&Tricks?
    Thanks!

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    Bumping this thread. I just completed the conversion of my 2003 Klein Attitude to a 69er with good info from this thread. Put 50 miles on it this past weekend and I just love it!

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    2003 Klein Attitude
    • Rear wheel: WTB i19 tubeless with a Geax AKA 2.2
    • Front wheel: WTB Speed Disc (taken from an old Raleigh XXIX) with Panaracer Rampage 2.35
    • Fork: Exotic carbon fork, 425mm axle-to-crown
    • Bars: Salsa Pro Moto carbon 700mm (or somewhere around there) Pictured are a different set since replaced.
    • Brakes: Avid BB7
    • Saddle: Fizik Arione
    • Everything else is stock (Bontrager and Shimano XT)


    This bike is so incredibly comfortable, responsive and FAST. I’m just having too much fun.

    This will be my fast and flat rider. The trails closest to me are wooded, flat and twisty-turny which this bike excels in. I love the way the rear wheel drifts a bit, too. Like a Big Boy’s Big Wheel. I also feel really stable and, to be honest, between the 29” 2.35 up front and the carbon fork/bars, I don’t notice much difference in suspension from the stock Duke XC 80mm I replaced. Between the frame and the carbon components, the bike is also super light and easy to catch some air.

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    The only thing I would consider upgrading at this point is the front wheel. The Speed Discs are on the heavy side and not tubeless (though I was impressed at how low I could run it up front without issue). But for now, I intend to ride this sucker hard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wahday View Post
    Bumping this thread. I just completed the conversion of my 2003 Klein Attitude to a 69er with good info from this thread. Put 50 miles on it this past weekend and I just love it!

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    2003 Klein Attitude
    • Rear wheel: WTB i19 tubeless with a Geax AKA 2.2
    • Front wheel: WTB Speed Disc (taken from an old Raleigh XXIX) with Panaracer Rampage 2.35
    • Fork: Exotic carbon fork, 425mm axle-to-crown
    • Bars: Salsa Pro Moto carbon 700mm (or somewhere around there) Pictured are a different set since replaced.
    • Brakes: Avid BB7
    • Saddle: Fizik Arione
    • Everything else is stock (Bontrager and Shimano XT)


    This bike is so incredibly comfortable, responsive and FAST. I’m just having too much fun.

    This will be my fast and flat rider. The trails closest to me are wooded, flat and twisty-turny which this bike excels in. I love the way the rear wheel drifts a bit, too. Like a Big Boy’s Big Wheel. I also feel really stable and, to be honest, between the 29” 2.35 up front and the carbon fork/bars, I don’t notice much difference in suspension from the stock Duke XC 80mm I replaced. Between the frame and the carbon components, the bike is also super light and easy to catch some air.

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    The only thing I would consider upgrading at this point is the front wheel. The Speed Discs are on the heavy side and not tubeless (though I was impressed at how low I could run it up front without issue). But for now, I intend to ride this sucker hard!
    How did you go about converting the stock Klein headset to one that would accommodate a standard steer tube diameter - or does the 2003 Klein not have this issue?

    I am looking to put a 650b wheel and rigid fork on my 1999 Adroit - the larger wheel is in large part to counter the effects of suspension corrected rigid forks

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    Quote Originally Posted by klein-adroit View Post
    How did you go about converting the stock Klein headset to one that would accommodate a standard steer tube diameter - or does the 2003 Klein not have this issue?

    I am looking to put a 650b wheel and rigid fork on my 1999 Adroit - the larger wheel is in large part to counter the effects of suspension corrected rigid forks
    You are correct that 2003 models did not have this issue. The steerer tube for this model and headset (which is newer, but not new for this build) is a standard 1 1/8”. What are the older Kleins?

    This fork is branded “Exotic” which are apparently knockoffs from the White Brothers factory in China. I got it through CarbonCycles.CC :: Components :: Gallery and they make a range of forks including ones with different steerer tube diameters. They may have what you need. I read up quite a bit on this fork before purchasing and the reviews are positive.

    Make sure you account for the increased height of the axle with the larger diameter wheels. For a 26 to 29er conversion, the different is ~31mm in the axle-to-crown length. I am not sure what it would be for 650b but a little basic geometry calc should give you the answer. That way you retain the geometry of the frame.

    FTR, I STILL love the 69er format. Its just damn fun. Sure, it looks like a big wheel, but that just underscores the playful, toy-like nature of the beast.

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    96er/69er Picture Thread

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    96er/69er Picture Thread-driveside-comp.jpg96er/69er Picture Thread-front-left-comp.jpg

    Perhaps a little unfair as the actual tire diameters are both 29" even if the rims are 26/29

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    Perhaps a little unfair as the actual tire diameters are both 29" even if the rims are 26/29
    Ride report? I am curious to know how this handles with the fat front. I am working on a SS build and want to try a knard 3.0 up front and whatever the biggest tire I can fit out back is (Ardent 2.4 is my thought if it clears). This build is a straight up 29er SS rigid, not a 69er so I know this is a bit OT. But that’s my Klein further up, so I do have credentials for this forum…

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    I've run that combo (Knard + 2.4 Mission Vee in my case), and it works really well. In my case, I have it on a Sette Razzo carbon frame (see here). It's a lot more fun than the full 29+ Surly Krampus I had before. Much lighter, more maneuverable, and I would say smoother as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by wahday View Post
    Ride report? I am curious to know how this handles with the fat front. I am working on a SS build and want to try a knard 3.0 up front and whatever the biggest tire I can fit out back is (Ardent 2.4 is my thought if it clears). This build is a straight up 29er SS rigid, not a 69er so I know this is a bit OT. But that’s my Klein further up, so I do have credentials for this forum…
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    Quote Originally Posted by wahday View Post
    Ride report? I am curious to know how this handles with the fat front. I am working on a SS build and want to try a knard 3.0 up front and whatever the biggest tire I can fit out back is (Ardent 2.4 is my thought if it clears). This build is a straight up 29er SS rigid, not a 69er so I know this is a bit OT. But that’s my Klein further up, so I do have credentials for this forum…
    This bike is so much fun to ride. Great grip out front with some cush thrown in. Its still nimble even with the heavier wheel/tire combination. I'm 200# running split tube tubeless at 6 psi most of the time. The knard is quite a bit taller than this tire so you may have a slacker front end as a result (depending on what fork your frame was designed for).

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    Thanks for the feedback guys - now I'm really stoked! My A to C on the fork is a little shy of stock so I am hoping the big tire doesn't make a huge difference in head tube angle. I actually pick the bike up today for some work I don't have tools for at home (BB and crown race install). I'm just short on the tires now...

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    96er/69er Picture Thread-img_1116%5B1%5D.jpg

    Upgrades include:
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    Surly 16t and 14t "dinglespeed" setup
    Raceface Atlas Kash Money bars
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thustlewhumber View Post
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    Upgrades include:
    Raceface 34t front ring
    Surly 16t and 14t "dinglespeed" setup
    Raceface Atlas Kash Money bars
    Thompson Elite Dropper
    Stans Crest rear wheel
    Crankbrothers grips
    I'd like to know what travel fork you are using, how much that raised your head tube and changed your HTA, and how does it ride for you?

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    A new life for my old Moots YBB

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockdoc View Post
    A new life for my old Moots YBB
    Same question for you that I asked Thustlewhumber:

    I'd like to know what travel fork you are using, how much that raised your head tube and changed your HTA, and how does it ride for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Same question for you that I asked Thustlewhumber:

    I'd like to know what travel fork you are using, Fox 80?

    how much that raised your head tube A bit

    and changed your HTA, A bit

    and how does it ride for you?

    Awesome!
    Great new (old) bike! Sorry don't know the numbers.....

    Biggest change is standover height , and it's right up there but ok. I'm riding locked out up front though

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    Fox 100 mm 29er fork.

    I'm looking for the right steel rigid fork for the Moots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    I'd like to know what travel fork you are using, how much that raised your head tube and changed your HTA, and how does it ride for you?
    The Trek 69ers all came with a 100mm fork. Rides great, a little quicker acceleration and a little quicker in the corners than my full blown 29er.

    I tried the same thing on a Fuel EX5 going from 120mm 26" fork to a 100mm 29er fork. It rode a little wonky... had a floppy front end. Of course, I think a shorter stem/wider bars would fix that.
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    Actually a longer stem would fix that wheel flop. I also recommend you slide your seat all the way forward. If you still have steering problems, try flipping the stem over or lower the stem as low as possible by removing the spacers. Also adjusting fork sag may help a bit too.

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    Got a Salsa Cromoto Grande 29er rigid fork for my Mariachi, and might order up another for the Moots. Great fork, and a bargain at only 130.

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    If you're using it on a 69er, you might look at the Ala Carte fork instead. It's available in 445mm, which will help keep the slack front end in check.

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    Got a Salsa Cromoto Grande 29er rigid fork for my Mariachi, and might order up another for the Moots. Great fork, and a bargain at only 130.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    If you're using it on a 69er, you might look at the Ala Carte fork instead. It's available in 445mm, which will help keep the slack front end in check.
    Another alternative would be to use a Surly Troll fork

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    If you're using it on a 69er, you might look at the Ala Carte fork instead. It's available in 445mm, which will help keep the slack front end in check.
    Whoops - double post - well since I need to edit this anyway there are also other fork options I believe from Kona (P2) and Dimension and maybe Soma Fab that would have a more appropriate Axle to Crown height.

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    I'm working on a 69er project using the short Blackbuck fork: just 435mm long, and 51mm rake vs. the more normal 40~45mm. Should give me a pretty nice front end... I hope.
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    And here it is:



    No ride report as a 69er yet, our trails are too wet after the latest snow and thaw. As a road bike, with 700c wheels, it's pretty inspiring.

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    Bumping this thread. I've been wanting to try a 96er, so I bought a cheap Diamond back response off Craigslist ($250), a cheap front wheel ($30) and a cheap X-lite aluminum rigid fork off Ebay ($77). Should have it all together this weekend. The DB normally has a 70 degree HA with the stock 120 fork. So my 29er rigid will be close to the same A to C.

    So my thought was that I could use a 26" wheel and keep the HA at around 70, or put on the 29" and be around 68.5.

    Its going to be the bike I keep in the parking garage at work, to get around downtown Denver now that the weather is turning. It's cheap enough that I won't have to worry much about locking it up on the street. I'm looking forward to having a fully rigid ride again (that's what she said).

    So that's my under $400 project. If I don't like it I'll just put it up on Craigslist. When I get it together I'll post a pic.

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    I did the conversion today. After a quick spin, I was impressed with the ride. As I imagined, the rollover of a big wheel with the nimbleness of short chainstays and short wheelbase feels good. The short stays, higher front end, and the TON of weight I lost by switching from a crappy steel spring fork to a rigid fork, makes the front end super easy to lift. Pretty cool. And it looks better than I thought it would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    I did the conversion today. After a quick spin, I was impressed with the ride. As I imagined, the rollover of a big wheel with the nimbleness of short chainstays and short wheelbase feels good. The short stays, higher front end, and the TON of weight I lost by switching from a crappy steel spring fork to a rigid fork, makes the front end super easy to lift. Pretty cool. And it looks better than I thought it would.
    You nailed it! Great looking bike, cool 96'er and a really nice turn out for a small cash build! My description of mine from a couple years ago was very similar to yours... short chainstays, high roll over front with the 29'er but hooked up great thanks to the 26'er rear wheel... all combined for a nimble and fast but still very stable ride. I was able to snag a Rick Hunter SuperCrown 29'er/700c CX fork off Ebay for my build. The fillet brazed fork went nicely with the '89 Nishiki Alien's double butted 4130 Tange Prestige frame. The 1x9 XTR drivetrain does a great job eating up the trails behind my home. It's easily one of my favorite bikes in the stable and it's always my first grab for fun rides with the family... why would I ever choose a clunky ol' cruiser over this rocket ship?

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    I remember lusting over that Nishiki elevated chainstay frame back in the 90's. Forgot they made them from Tange Prestige. That's nice!

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    You nailed it! Great looking bike, cool 96'er and a really nice turn out for a small cash build! My description of mine from a couple years ago was very similar to yours... short chainstays, high roll over front with the 29'er but hooked up great thanks to the 26'er rear wheel... all combined for a nimble and fast but still very stable ride. I was able to snag a Rick Hunter SuperCrown 29'er/700c CX fork off Ebay for my build. The fillet brazed fork went nicely with the '89 Nishiki Alien's double butted 4130 Tange Prestige frame. The 1x9 XTR drivetrain does a great job eating up the trails behind my home. It's easily one of my favorite bikes in the stable and it's always my first grab for fun rides with the family... why would I ever choose a clunky ol' cruiser over this rocket ship?

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    Wow...that looks like a 40 over chainring, 34 minus cassette, that's some hard climbing man.


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    Now that this thread has been bumped back to the top I'm left wondering which wheel size sub forum it will get moved to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    Now that this thread has been bumped back to the top I'm left wondering which wheel size sub forum it will get moved to.
    I am trying to figure that out myself... haha.

    What are the advantages of running a 29 up front and a 26 in the back?

    Would anyone run 26 front and 29 back? That seems kinda silly to me.... but who knows.
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    Haha just discovered this thread... And to amuse all here is my 69er ride:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    I am trying to figure that out myself... haha.

    What are the advantages of running a 29 up front and a 26 in the back?

    Would anyone run 26 front and 29 back? That seems kinda silly to me.... but who knows.
    I own one and support the idea, here is why:

    -Why 26er rear: since this was the wheel size for decades, you can get very affordable frames in many many options, brands and sizes....also cheap wheels tires, etc...forgot to say... also lighter.

    -Why 29er front: First up, all the load is on the front: big rocks, bumps, rocky downhills, vibration, its all on the front. I was skeptical about the 29ers in the pass, but I decided to do a neck and neck test. Near my house we have a very rocky mountain, its a 20-25min switchback rocky climb, then down on the same trail, so I decided to do a first round on the 26 front and a second round on the 29 front (With a lefty fork, I was able the switch the wheels back and forth), I did that twice for each wheel size...and I definitively had to say, the 29er was the winner, more stable and over stuff much easier.

    You might say; 'but the 26 rear doesn't have the same role over benefit'....at least to my belief, if its a full suspension (my case), that isn't an issue, the rear shock compensates for that.

    The only requisite to be a perfect build, is the ability to compensate the height difference on the front alloying the frame the stay in the original geometry as was designed for, so for a fork with 120mm travel for example, would need to shrink that to about 35mm less....and that's it! perfect bike, comfortable geometry, possibly lighter than a full 29er and way cheaper.


    Go 26er front and 29 rear...well, would only make sense if its a recumbent like mhelander posted....doing on a standard MTB...unless you don't mind flying over your handlebars at every ride...go for it!

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    The only reason I can see to run a 29 rear/26 front would be to put a longer travel fork onto an existing 29er frame, say, a 120mm 26" fork on a frame designed for an 80mm 29er wheel. That might work out OK in theory, though I'm not rushing out to try it in practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrepsz View Post
    Go 26er front and 29 rear...well, would only make sense if its a recumbent like mhelander posted....doing on a standard MTB...unless you don't mind flying over your handlebars at every ride...go for it!
    Actually I went smaller front because of being cheap and got nice 2nd hand 130mm fork. Then when finished building and scaling weight distribution front has 38% so smaller is mostly ok and keeps steering quick.

    OTOH bigger rear provides ample grip even in most demanding climbs and goes over rocks etc easier.
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    @andrepsc: Good answer.

    I did rocky singletrack ride today on my "new" 96er. Riding rigid took more getting used to than the wheel sizes. But it rides really nice. going over small rocks was easier than I imagined with a rigid fork, and some tight switchbacks were easier than on my 29er. Pretty close to the same nimbleness as my 26er.

    If I ever bought a nice custom steel or Ti hard tail frame, which I have been thinking about, I'd have to at least consider 96 as the wheel size for it.

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    We need to stablished if it's 69er or 96er?! 69er sounds kinda weird right?


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    I think it's our inner 13 year that is the reason it's called a "69er."

    Quote Originally Posted by andrepsz View Post
    We need to stablished if it's 69er or 96er?! 69er sounds kinda pornografic right?


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    Admin decided this was better in the 29er forum than the 27.5 forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrepsz View Post
    Wow...that looks like a 40 over chainring, 34 minus cassette, that's some hard climbing man.


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    Ha-

    I figured one day somebody would point out that gearing, good eye andrepsz!

    We have some dusty fire roads behind our home with some steep sections that break off, my wife likes the 96'er for training rides. She has to drop the seat way down but that bike climbs like a goat. I think the last time I weighed it at my LBS it was just over 22 or 23 pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo_pop_71 View Post
    Ha-

    I figured one day somebody would point out that gearing, good eye andrepsz!

    We have some dusty fire roads behind our home with some steep sections that break off, my wife likes the 96'er for training rides. She has to drop the seat way down but that bike climbs like a goat. I think the last time I weighed it at my LBS it was just over 22 or 23 pounds.
    I suffer on a 1x10 11x36 cassette / 36T front, but I go...getting stronger every time I ride...lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    I remember lusting over that Nishiki elevated chainstay frame back in the 90's. Forgot they made them from Tange Prestige. That's nice!
    I've always loved these unique frames, I've owned a total of 7 e-stay Nishiki Aliens or Ariels over the years. In part it has to do with the fact that Richard Cunningham was from my home town of Fullerton, CA (home of Leo Fender and his guitars) plus these "Cunningham Designed" bikes were much cheaper than one of Richard's Mantis frames! The early Ariels were all double butted 4130 frame and fork, the later Ariels were Prestige like the Aliens. Both the Aliens and the Prestige Ariels were stamped in odd places, some random places, and one of my Aliens isn't stamped at all. Behind the seat tube or on the side of the head tube have been the most common places that I've found.

    I recently stripped down my e-stay gravel grinder, it was a summer project from a few years ago that my daughter and I painted together. She and I both love the Yeti turquoise and yellow color scheme, we went with that and she did a great job painting the frame (especially since she was only 8 years old at the time). The straight Yeti colors weren't 80's enough, her words, so she went with the black spider web paint over the top. She is big on colors when it comes to her bikes, her pride and joy is a 1988 Easton ALX99, pink and blue are her two favorite colors. I scored that locally in mint, unridden condition, a true garage find and I gave it to her for her 9th birthday. Anyway, sorry I got sidetracked, the frame is hanging up in the garage if you want to get your hands on one of these e-stay rocket ships, you're welcome to it. I should mention that it would be a good fit if you are on the taller side, it's a much bigger frame than the one I used on my 96'er. I'll try to include some photos for you. Send me a PM if you think you can use the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo_pop_71 View Post
    I've always loved these unique frames, I've owned a total of 7 e-stay Nishiki Aliens or Ariels over the years. In part it has to do with the fact that Richard Cunningham was from my home town of Fullerton, CA (home of Leo Fender and his guitars) plus these "Cunningham Designed" bikes were much cheaper than one of Richard's Mantis frames! The early Ariels were all double butted 4130 frame and fork, the later Ariels were Prestige like the Aliens. Both the Aliens and the Prestige Ariels were stamped in odd places, some random places, and one of my Aliens isn't stamped at all. Behind the seat tube or on the side of the head tube have been the most common places that I've found.

    I recently stripped down my e-stay gravel grinder, it was a summer project from a few years ago that my daughter and I painted together. She and I both love the Yeti turquoise and yellow color scheme, we went with that and she did a great job painting the frame (especially since she was only 8 years old at the time). The straight Yeti colors weren't 80's enough, her words, so she went with the black spider web paint over the top. She is big on colors when it comes to her bikes, her pride and joy is a 1988 Easton ALX99, pink and blue are her two favorite colors. I scored that locally in mint, unridden condition, a true garage find and I gave it to her for her 9th birthday. Anyway, sorry I got sidetracked, the frame is hanging up in the garage if you want to get your hands on one of these e-stay rocket ships, you're welcome to it. I should mention that it would be a good fit if you are on the taller side, it's a much bigger frame than the one I used on my 96'er. I'll try to include some photos for you. Send me a PM if you think you can use the frame.

    Thanks for the suggestion. I don't think I could use it, right now, and I ride a medium frame. That's quite a paint job! Looks difficult.

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    Pretty cool. Never heard of it. I always liked the Yeti Ultimate for E stay frames of that era:

    (although its funny now to remember how modern and futuristic it looked at the time!)
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    My 69er bike, mod from an old Motobecane 26er.

    Replaced front 100mm 26" fork with 80mm 29" X Fusion Slide. Don't feel the geometry is impacted.

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    I'm finally about to finish up two 96'ers, a flat bar and a dirt drop.

    The flat bar is a 2000 Schwinn Homegrown Pro with a Rick Hunter fillet brazed Supercrown fork and a 1x9 drivetrain.
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    The dirt drop is a 1991 GT Tequesta in special order "Purple Haze" color scheme with a Mosso fork and 7x3 XT pods on DKG Shift Ease mounts.
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    Hey, it's my first post to this forum.
    I'm in a process of frankenbiking my pre 2000 c-dale f. I want to give him a new lease on life and convert it into a gravel/adventure/bikepacking rig.

    Headshock with c-a 47 cm died years ago, replaced it with 44 cm Mosso. Did not like the resulting geometry, ended up buying two other bikes. One day I've got "aha moment" and installed 44-622 wheel in a front, to fill the missing 3 cm of height. It was great!
    However, I don't know, maybe a couple of years of riding with foobar geometry changed my feeling, right now the short ride with a big wheel in front felt way better, but something still is not right. I would like to discuss some details of geometry, I've got exact measurements. What options do I have, what can I change within these constrains?
    What would be a proper sub-forum to post such a question?
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    Getting ready to build another 69er using an XL Cannondale Optimo frame and a Fatty 29er Headshok (I have one of each laying around), and stumbled across this thread while looking for inspiration. Here's my old size large F600 CAAD2 frame, 30mm Silk Path Headshok fork - ground in the arch to clear a Karma 2.95. XT 1x9 Loved it on the really tight stuff, but it was a fuzz small for me, and I wanted disc brakes.
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    Giant Two2one singlespeed frame built up 69er rigid.
    Since sold frame and striped parts to build 29 rigid singlespeed.

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