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    29ers cannondale caffeine vs flash aluminum

    Any1 who has ridden both frames how is the ride quality 1 vs the other?

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    ^i'm curious too. Is there a weight or geo difference between the old Caffeine F29s and the New 29 Flash aluminum?

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    I am curious as well!!!
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    Name mostly, I believe. The Caffeine frames were USA made. The Flashes are not.
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    Some, if not all, of the '10 Alloy Flashes were made in USA.

    There was definitely geometry differences. I had a '08 Caffeine and swapped parts to a '10 Flash. Needed to install a new stem, flat bar and longer seatpost to get fit just right.

    The Caffeine had an 80mm Lefty, the '10 also, however I'm able to run it at 90mm by removing a 10mm spacer, but that also depends on tire selection. '11 and '12 are standard at 90mm.

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    I am looking at changing out my size large 2009 Caffeine 29er frame for a size XL 2011 Flash 29er frame, so far, the main difference i can see is 71.5 vs. 70 degree head tube slope, 1/2" shorter chain stay length, and from my best guess, a weight savings somewhere around 60-90 grams. Anyone else with comments? The change should not cost me any money, just the time to switch everything over and sell my old (almost new Caffeine frame, size large). Anyone interested? $375 if you are.
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    By the way, does anyone know the weight savings of going with bare aluminum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdinsj View Post
    Some, if not all, of the '10 Alloy Flashes were made in USA.

    There was definitely geometry differences. I had a '08 Caffeine and swapped parts to a '10 Flash. Needed to install a new stem, flat bar and longer seatpost to get fit just right.

    The Caffeine had an 80mm Lefty, the '10 also, however I'm able to run it at 90mm by removing a 10mm spacer, but that also depends on tire selection. '11 and '12 are standard at 90mm.

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    IIRC, the Flash moniker was only used with the carbon frames originally, and they were made in USA. The CO2 were the overseas, lower level models from the Caffeines.
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    '10 Flash 1

    Has the HMIUSA sticker on the inside of the seatstay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpom View Post
    By the way, does anyone know the weight savings of going with bare aluminum?
    Minimal if any. My bare frame has a nice thick layer of clear.

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    I have a 2009 Caffeine 2 and a 2011 Flash 1. Both bikes are size XL. The Flash weighs less than the Caffeine bike. Never put them on a scale,but just lifting them,there's a noticeable difference.The Flash also has the SAVE seatstays, so it's a little smoother riding. The Flash seatpost is 27.2mm compared to the Caffeines 31.6mm. The Flashes frame tubes for the seatstays and chainstays are a lot smaller diameter also.

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