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    29 Wheelset Options

    I know this topic has been done to death but I just wanted to get some opinions on a 29er wheelset. I am building my first 29er hardtail. Bike will be used for training on roads, dirt roads and smooth XC trails as my race bike. I have an Anthem for the rougher courses.
    I weigh 189lbs. I am a smooth rider and am not hard on equipment. Here is what I am considering.

    1. Stans 355 - Hope Hubs - Aerolite Spokes
    2. Crests - Hope Hubs - Super comp spokes
    3. Crests - ZTR Hubs - Super comp spokes

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    Quote Originally Posted by shammer5788
    I know this topic has been done to death but I just wanted to get some opinions on a 29er wheelset. I am building my first 29er hardtail. Bike will be used for training on roads, dirt roads and smooth XC trails as my race bike. I have an Anthem for the rougher courses.
    I weigh 189lbs. I am a smooth rider and am not hard on equipment. Here is what I am considering.

    1. Stans 355 - Hope Hubs - Aerolite Spokes
    2. Crests - Hope Hubs - Super comp spokes
    3. Crests - ZTR Hubs - Super comp spokes

    Thanks
    Crest weight limit of 180-185 and are you sure you want Super Comps on those rims? How about Comps?

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    Revos are lighter than S.Comps and the same weight and performance as Aerolites for a fraction of the cost. Contrary to popular opinion and I guess intuition, thicker spokes do not build stronger wheels. They build stiffer wheels, but only marginally so.
    Revos build wheels that are plenty strong and stiff and are a great match for light rims. I weigh ~205 and have had Revos+355s on my HT for over two years without having to touch them once. I ride pretty rocky terrain pretty hard.
    The Crest sounds like it will work fine for you.
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    I'm pretty close to your weight, or I was at 185ish in the summer and was riding a new pair of Crests for a few months before winter. At this weight, you can likely get away with Crest for your "race wheel" purposes but I agree with BB and would expect to be using some heavier spokes to shore up the ultralight rim. I would suggest you go to a good pro wheelbuilder, as the build quality will be a key to success when you are pushing the limits of the components (rims, spokes). Dave Thomas at Speeddream built mine, he uses different combinations of spoke gauges and cross patterns on different sides of wheels to balance tension, it seems to work. I would be particularly concerned about a standard dished cassette rear wheel, my rear wheel is a DT singlespeed hub so the flanges are spaced wider and that helps with stability. The front wheel I find seems to be slightly stiffer than my old 355 pair that I used to have, maybe just because it is new. Flexier than a comparable Arch build though of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown
    Crest weight limit of 180-185 and are you sure you want Super Comps on those rims? How about Comps?

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    Acording to Stans there is no specific weight limit on the crests rims alone, it depends on the build. What wrong with the super comps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    Revos are lighter than S.Comps and the same weight and performance as Aerolites for a fraction of the cost. They also build up strong wheels and are a great match for light rims.
    The Crest sounds like it will work fine for you.
    Do you think I could get away with the revos at my weight. I was under the impression that the aerolites were stronger?

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    My $.02, I weigh 185lbs and ride a DW Sultan.

    I raced and rode the crap out of a set of 355's/Kings/supercomps for two years before I finally started breaking rear spokes almost every ride. I replaced the rear rim with an Arch and new supercomps.

    My buddy at the same weight built up a set of Crests/Hopes/supercomps to use on his Jet9. No issues at all since the bike was built in June.

    I just ordered a set of race wheels, Crests/American Classic/supercomps, to use on a 2011 Scott Scale RC. I anticipate zero issues for their intended purpose.

    For your intended purposed, any one of those wheelsets would work. If anything I'd stay away from the super light spokes and go no lighter than supercomps.

    FYI, the Hopes are annoyingly loud, and not in a good, King hub, type of way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shammer5788
    Do you think I could get away with the revos at my weight.
    Yes (see my edit).
    Quote Originally Posted by shammer5788
    I was under the impression that the aerolites were stronger?
    This is a marketing trick at work. If you pull on an aerolite until is deforms and fails (the yield strength), it will take more load than a Revo, but it is no more elastic or fatigue resistant. BUT, spokes are generally loaded at ~1/2-2/3 their yield strength, so the "added strength" is not something that is ever a benefit to a bike rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shammer5788
    Acording to Stans there is no specific weight limit on the crests rims alone, it depends on the build. What wrong with the super comps?
    He thinks they're too thin.
    Thick spokes matched to a very light aluminum rims is not a good combination because the rim does not effectively spread load around and thick spokes detension quicker than thin ones.
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    Get the 355s with revo's or supercomps and the ZTR hubs. Hope's aren't worth the extra $ in this equation. If you want to spend more and get lighter hubs get DT 240s.

    I have 355s/ztr/supercomps on my bike and I ride it pretty aggressively. I haven't trued the wheels yet. Stans did a very nice build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shammer5788
    Acording to Stans there is no specific weight limit on the crests rims alone, it depends on the build. What wrong with the super comps?
    Well, I'll have to defer to Mikesee (Mike Curiak from https://www.lacemine29.com/) who has built 2 sets of wheels for me. He suggested that the Crests be laced with Comps for my current Crest/DT Swiss 240/Comp wheels.

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4404319112/" title="WeighIn by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2702/4404319112_9a250ce3e0_z.jpg" width="480" height="640" alt="WeighIn" /></a>

    My ride specs are very similar to yours (rider weight, intended XC use, etc...) and Mike is the one that suggested Comps over the SuperComps. He had built a set of wheels with the same hubs using SuperComps and Salsa Delgado Disc wheels for me that lasted several years before this new build that I have been riding since May of 2010. I don't remember the exact email exchange, but something to the effect that - at a rider weight of 180 - the wheels would be "too whippy" with SuperComps on the Crests. The Comps were only 45g heavier and removed the possibility of my wheels being too whippy for XC racing. I think he said if I was 160 lbs. or so, the SuperComps would have worked.

    Anyway - that was all from the big wheels wheel builder extraordinaire. My wheels do not feel "whippy" and have been performing great since May of last year. So I figure, why mess with what isn't broken and working well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown
    Well, I'll have to defer to Mikesee (Mike Curiak from https://www.lacemine29.com/) who has built 2 sets of wheels for me. He suggested that the Crests be laced with Comps for my current Crest/DT Swiss 240/Comp wheels.

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4404319112/" title="WeighIn by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2702/4404319112_9a250ce3e0_z.jpg" width="480" height="640" alt="WeighIn" /></a>

    My ride specs are very similar to yours (rider weight, intended XC use, etc...) and Mike is the one that suggested Comps over the SuperComps. He had built a set of wheels with the same hubs using SuperComps and Salsa Delgado Disc wheels for me that lasted several years before this new build that I have been riding since May of 2010. I don't remember the exact email exchange, but something to the effect that - at a rider weight of 180 - the wheels would be "too whippy" with SuperComps on the Crests. The Comps were only 45g heavier and removed the possibility of my wheels being too whippy for XC racing. I think he said if I was 160 lbs. or so, the SuperComps would have worked.

    Anyway - that was all from the big wheels wheel builder extraordinaire. My wheels do not feel "whippy" and have been performing great since May of last year. So I figure, why mess with what isn't broken and working well.

    BB
    how can I tell which spokes I have? I told the guys at the shop that I was 190 and had looked at the Stans site where it asked weight and then used whatever # etc and came up with a weight for a set of Crest for me...but now when I look at them the spokes look so skinny

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    Strykers?

    Has anyone ridden WTB's stryker's yet? Any online resources doing reviews?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli
    Get the 355s with revo's or supercomps and the ZTR hubs. Hope's aren't worth the extra $ in this equation. If you want to spend more and get lighter hubs get DT 240s.

    I disagree. Hope hubs are bomb proof and amazingly reliable. I've got at least 6 years on a set. I've opened them once to grease them, and they were still spotless inside. They are worth the money in my opinion.
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    I ended up going with the Crest + Supercomp + Hopes.

    They are plenty stiff. Came in around 1620 grams.

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