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    29 Steel SS Rigid

    I am looking for hopefully a list of production framesets( non-custom) that are 1. Steel(853) 2. Single speed specific, non-ebb, either horizontal, or sliding dropouts, 3. Complete with matching rigid fork, and 4. 29er

    currently I have a Niner Sir, but the EBB on it is making me crazy. Constantly slips, adjustment is difficult, and it creaks. I love the bike, but I would love it even more if I could match the frame with a non EBB solution.

    It seems like this combo is difficult to find. I may just have to go custom, but the price and wait, have me reluctant to go that route.

    Thanks for your collective input.

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    Surly Karate Monkey

    New Salsa El Mariachi

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    If you can deal with 631 steel the Voodoo Soukri has sliding drops on it.

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    I'd look at the new Salsa you have to pay extra for the matching fork but it's most say it's a nice ride. I would love the new frame with a Atomic Blue Niner carbon fork.
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    Luke warm on the Mariachi. What is a "Kung Fu" tubeset? Any ideas of weight? How reliable is the adjustable dropout?

    I'm very stoked on the performance and feel of the Niner, not really wanting to take a step down from that.

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    I have an On-One Inbred with a Kona P2 steel fork - used to have it as a SS, but wanted gears for more steep climbs. Love that bike.

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    Have you looked at the Gunnar Ruffian? I'm sure they can fix up a matching fork.

    Also, note OP said 853 steel.
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    Vassago Jabberwocky + ODIS Fork

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    I second the jabberwocky suggestion - The large frame weighs almost exactly the same as a large niner frame...

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    Vassago Jabber the wet cat is the best geo I have ridden. Love it so much I decided not to by a squishy and just got a Bander instead.

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    Check out the Origin8 Frankenmonster I just posted up.

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    VASSAGO JabberWocky...no brainer!

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    Wow, people are in love with Vassago! What is the deal? Seems like a practical bike at a practical price. But what is Wet Cat geometry? Does it feel like a race bike? 4130?

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    It's made of 4130 and the frame is right at 5 lbs. Not the lighest, but not bad. I've got a Vassago Jabberwocky, too. I love that bike. I didn't mention it, because you had wanted a 853 steel bike. However, Vassago is about the launch a new Black Label series that consists of handmade frame with blingy steel material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northwest
    Luke warm on the Mariachi. What is a "Kung Fu" tubeset? Any ideas of weight? How reliable is the adjustable dropout?

    I'm very stoked on the performance and feel of the Niner, not really wanting to take a step down from that.
    Kung Fu is Japanese made Sanko, good quality, not OX or it's twin (brand names...) 853 by Reynolds, but not junk by any means-

    The dropouts are not all to different than some other "proven" designs alread out there (black cat as the mtbr thread and posts clearly point to to name one)

    Niner are fine bikes, but thinking your going "down" by getting a salsa might be a stretch- Salsa makes a very nice bike and generally does a nice job when it comes down to attention to detail compared to many of the other "large" niche brands-
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    Quote Originally Posted by northwest
    Wow, people are in love with Vassago! What is the deal? Seems like a practical bike at a practical price. But what is Wet Cat geometry? Does it feel like a race bike? 4130?
    The geometry is long wheelbase, long chainstays, low bottom bracket, and relaxed headtube angle. It really rolls over stuff well, is super stable and yet you can maneuver hairpins and such well. It is not flickable bike. It is extremely confidence inspiring at speed. I love it. I would recommend finding one local, and test riding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knottshore
    Kung Fu is Japanese made Sanko, good quality, not OX or it's twin (brand names...) 853 by Reynolds, but not junk by any means-

    The dropouts are not all to different than some other "proven" designs alread out there (black cat as the mtbr thread and posts clearly point to to name one)

    Niner are fine bikes, but thinking your going "down" by getting a salsa might be a stretch- Salsa makes a very nice bike and generally does a nice job when it comes down to attention to detail compared to many of the other "large" niche brands-
    actually, I've had 2 salsa's that have turned out to be some of my favorite rides. Just curious what they're doing now. Thanks for the info.

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    I agree with everything said about the Jabber - however the On-one 29er climbs better (shorter chainstays) if that's your thing.

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    Vassago Jabberwocky with ODIS Rigid fork!

    Damn thing climbs like a cat with it's tail on fire, and is way better on technical terrain than my GF X-caliber

    Have been on mine for 2-1/2 weeks, love it, the geared GF 29er is still hanging on the rack!
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    Does it have to be steel?

    If I were jumping on a performance SS, I'd look at the Specialized Stumpjumper SS.
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    Vassago sounds pretty good. But does the list begin and end with the Jabberwocky? Is there anything else?

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    Until they release their "Black Label" frames, yes, unless you want to spring the big money for their Optimus Ti.

    But I recommend Jabberwocky as well. I currently have the Bandersnatch, identical geo to the Jabber except slightly wider rear wheel clearance (73 vs. 68mm BB) and am waiting to see what the Black Label magic is...
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    Have you seen this? http://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/rocker-ss/

    made in usa if you care bout that and the $$$ you'll pay forit
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    I'm riding an Inbred with a soul cycles dillinger fork up front and it rolls over everything, I know it's not too high on the bling factor but I love this bike. The longer fork slacks it out a bit. Climbs well, corners good, and it feels best when there is a bit of room to let it go. It could be a bit quicker in the tight stuff though.(disclaimer)

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    Look at the wheelbase on the Vassago's, they are LIMOs and handle like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgerat
    Look at the wheelbase on the Vassago's, they are LIMOs and handle like them.
    I am not sure if you have ever ridden a Vassago but I can assure you they do not handle anything like a limo. I may be the size of a limo but this thing can handle any switchback and techy trail I can throw at it.

    Disclaimer not the techiest or tightest switchback but the only pic I could find right now.


    And not another great example but my Jabber handles this double switchback better then my 575 and Mary(pictured) which both where sold after owning the Jabber for a month.

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    I road a Vassago Bandersnatch back to back with my Black Cat. I would agree that the Bandersnatch handles like a limo (although I've never driven a limo). It was one of the slowest bikes I've been on when going through tight turns. I don't know the geometry of it, but it looks and feels like a very long bike (long toptube, long wheelbase, slack HT). It's definitely not a flickable bike for me, but it was very stable on straight climbs and descents. I was able to clear a rocky climb on the Vassago that I usually have trouble with on other bikes. Descending felt secure and stable. I can see how the Vassago would be comfortable for day-long riding.

    My Black Cat is the complete opposite, short wheelbase, very flickable, quick handling, but a little jerky in the rocky climbs. I guess it's all a trade off and it depends on what you find more appealing. I prefer quick, responsive handling, and a bike I feel will stay with me.

    Some steel SS frames I would considered are the Origin 8 Scout and Surly Karate Monkey.

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    It seems this debate over geometry never dies. It really just depends on the type of rider you are and the terrain.

    But there are some things you can't change. Once you are above a certain height (6'2" in my case) or over a certain weight (200lbs), I don't think "flickability" is part of the equation anyway.

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    Having ridden several 29ers, I don't feel like the Vassago handles anything like a "limo". Perhaps not as quick steering as some of the others, but it handles switchbacks and tech sections just fine.

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    the redline monocog 29ers meet all your requirements but one >> cromo, not fancy steel. but also cheeep, and they handle very nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion
    I have an On-One Inbred with a Kona P2 steel fork - used to have it as a SS, but wanted gears for more steep climbs. Love that bike.

    How do you like the P2 fork? I was thinking about either a P2 or Cromoto. People have been telling me that the P2 rides nicer than the Cromoto.

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    why is everyone so set on steel? isnt aluminum lighter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gager
    why is everyone so set on steel? isnt aluminum lighter?
    Generally, but steel has a preferred ride quality, generally.
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    wouldnt tires and shocks or lack thereof have more of an effect on ride quality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gager
    wouldnt tires and shocks or lack thereof have more of an effect on ride quality?
    more of an effect, sure. But frame material and construction can still be noticeable. I switched all my parts over from an aluminum to a steel hardtail and the ride wasn't much different, but there was a noticeable change in certain aspects of the ride quality. For example, the feeling when landing a drop with the aluminum frame had a sharpness to it (like being slapped with an open hand) that was gone with the steel frame (more like an equally hard slap but with a glove)

    edit: to clarify, this example was for a budget steel frame that is quite overbuilt. Nicer, lighter steel frames can potentially be even smoother and more noticable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gager
    why is everyone so set on steel? isnt aluminum lighter?
    Go ride one.

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    Go with a Spot. I have a custom SS. I run a chain (screw Belt)
    best bike ever. suuuuppper cushy steel ride, screw rigid forks too.

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    Vassago Jabberwocky...steel, SS specific, disc specific, good vibe, good quality, cheap, handles great. Built mine up earlier this year and having a blast with it. And, if you ever grow tired of the SS thing you can buy a gear kit for it.

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    It all comes down to the type rider you are and the terrain you ride.

    I had a jabber for a little bit. Super comfy and great all day frame, however compared to my shorter stay bikes it did feel like I was driving a limo. I also had some issues with the long stays not weighting the rear tire enough (spinning on steep climbs and such). They are nice frames but not for everyone. Which is why we have more than one option.

    These are not 853, but also check these out too.

    Redline Monocog Flight
    2011 Kona Unit
    Siren John Henry (more pricey and doesn't come with a fork, but very nice)
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    Just mounted a new P2 fork on my Scandal and the fork rocks! Steel is real!

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