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2011 Black Sheep Highlight
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Is that the rich mans Sawyer or the poor mans Jones?
Just joking, looks good...also looks like someone would probably buy it and not ride it
Just joking again...TUESDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL!
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Thread needs pics
I see hills.
I want to climb them.
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Nice.
I wonder what James ACTUAL waiting time is these days.
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Thank you StevoB.
BTW is that an integrated seat post? 
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Swoopy toobs make me drool
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That is SUPER close to the Jones design (basic look)!
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Lust!
I have to stop looking at this stuff.
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Is it just me or does the tubing diameter of the DT look kinda small? When I look at those small Ti tubes, it looks really flexy.
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Looks very nice! looks more like a Luna Vista then a Highlight.
How is the integrated seatpost? What are the pros/cons for integrated seatpost?
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 Originally Posted by jncarpenter
That is SUPER close to the Jones design (basic look)!
Of course it does, Jay.
He's been shamelessly ripping JJ off for awhile, now.
Imitation is the sincerest form of blah, blah, blah.
What the EFF is "All MOUNTAIN"???
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Originally Posted by Aquaholic
Of course it does, Jay.
He's been shamelessly ripping JJ off for awhile, now.
Imitation is the sincerest form of blah, blah, blah.
Shame! 
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Originally Posted by cruso414
Is it just me or does the tubing diameter of the DT look kinda small? When I look at those small Ti tubes, it looks really flexy.
did you notice it's a twin DT
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Didn't someone post that James was actually doing the truss forks before Jones, plus examples of this being done decades ago? And what, curvy tubes are copied from Jones rather than Jones (and anyone else doing this) copying decades of earlier bike designs? After seeing these comments in several different threads it seems like there are some Jones fanatics determined to harsh on Black Sheep for some reason I cannot discern. In any event Jones is no longer a custom bike builder unless you were already on his list, he sells outsourced production frames only now...
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Really, really old news...This is the El Culebra ('The Cobra') presented in NHBSH, Feb. 2010...
I spoke about it with James. He mentioned that the double tubed 'down tube' wound up too flexy and that he now makes the bike with a single, beefier down tube.
I wonder how it looks; it may take away from the appeal.
Accusing James of stealing from JJ is total bull. James is first and foremost a custom builder; he would build for you whatever you wish.
In this case the bike was ordered by a racer named Jake Kirkpatrick...Also, IMO, James is a genius, JJ is merely gifted.
As for James's current lead time; I just got a bike from him and it took close to 8 months between deposit and delivery.
p.s.: this beauty weighs 18#...
Last edited by Climber999; 12-28-2010 at 09:34 PM.
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Originally Posted by Climber999
As for James's current lead time; I just got a bike from him and it took close to 8 months between deposit and delivery.
Interesting to know.
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It just moved a little bit....
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Beautiful looking bike.
By the way, I am curious as to how long the chain stays are on this particular belt driven Black Sheep.
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Not sure what it is, but Sheeps do nothing for me. And that continues with this one. There's just something thats just not *right* with them ATMO.
I do like Jones' though, and would sell a kidney to get one. Weird.
And there's no way I'm jumping on the who before who debacle. I don't care. Nor should you.
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I love the truss fork from black sheep.
That bike, hmmm,....Not very race with what looks like a super long chainstay, but what do I know.
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Originally Posted by ~martini~
Not sure what it is, but Sheeps do nothing for me. And that continues with this one. There's just something thats just not *right* with them ATMO.
I do like Jones' though, and would sell a kidney to get one. Weird.
And there's no way I'm jumping on the who before who debacle. I don't care. Nor should you.
I'm with you...to a degree.
I liked the Black Sheep stuff prior to them trying to get all super swoopy. I do like the classic Highroller frame.
THe new designs just seem like he's trying to hard. The one in this thread looks anorexic.
But, these are my opinions and like kittens, there are many.
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Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
Beautiful looking bike.
By the way, I am curious as to how long the chain stays are on this particular belt driven Black Sheep.
+1 Those chainstays look like they could be measured in feet, not inches.
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Originally Posted by jmw
I'm with you...to a degree.
I liked the Black Sheep stuff prior to them trying to get all super swoopy. I do like the classic Highroller frame.
THe new designs just seem like he's trying to hard. The one in this thread looks anorexic.
But, these are my opinions and like kittens, there are many.
James has built everything from standard double triangle frames to crazy swoopy tubes. Making a functional bike with swooping tubes is more difficult than the older high roller frames he was making 5 years back. Truth be told my old high roller gets ridden quite a bit. IMHO bikes are a personal expression.
If you like his designs or not that is an individual choice. I for one like having options in life. I have one sheep frame and one in waiting right now which will be a mild curvy design. Like you said opinions are like kittens, there are many.
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I like the 2011, but if given the choice (he builds custom so there is a choice) I would go with the original Highroller or Highlite design with a uni-crown fork.
Something about the cleaner & more uncluttered lines.....
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Pretty sweet aside from the upsweep in those bars. eww
"Those are some good humans."
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My first thought was - it looks super flexy, followed by super Jones like. Right and right!
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I think these bikes look too busy. I just assume there is some point to all those extra tubes...
I'd rather have a clean and to the point Erikson or Strong.
LP
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Originally Posted by lanpope
I think these bikes look too busy. I just assume there is some point to all those extra tubes...
You are obviously missing the point.
Why does there NEED to be a point??
Bikes are about fun.
There does not need to be a point to everything.
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I like it but its too skinny, I like them fat tubes and strong looking.
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